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Will LenDale White be a bust? (1 Viewer)

JohnnyU

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Injuries, immaturity, weight, the warning signs are everywhere. No way I would take this guy over Addai. Obviously Bush, Maroney, Williams are going with the first 3 picks in most dynasty drafts, so it's those with the 1.4 that have the decision to make. For me, it's an easy decision. I wouldn't take White, even if I owned Brown.

Edited to say that I'm not implying he is injury prone, but he is injured, so it does need to be mentioned.

 
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The weight is a concern.

The trust of his former coach is a plus.

Overall, sure he might be a bust, so might Reggie Bush.

 
He's very young so it may take him a few years to adapt...I'd bet against him being a bust.

 
well, i took him at 1.04 and there was never a doubt about it. i'll take 50 something TDs as opposed to 6-7 games starting any day, even if it was college.

you never know on any of these guys....as it was said earlier bush may bust.

 
well, i took him at 1.04 and there was never a doubt about it. i'll take 50 something TDs as opposed to 6-7 games starting any day, even if it was college.

you never know on any of these guys....as it was said earlier bush may bust.
I think he may have an overall better career than almost anyone. Perhaps even Bush. :shock: Yes, I said it. The simple fact is that he is a one cut bruiser type back that tends to have somewhat long and productive careers in the NFL. Think Bettis, Stephen Davis, and a certain previous Titan RB.

Now, the issues that have been cited above are worrisome. More so the weight than anything but the current injury may have something to do with that as it did in having him slip so far down in the draft. Before that be was pretty much a lock at at least #3 overall RB taken.

I know I am going on a limb here and I certainly will not draft with my mouth since I plan on taking Maroney #2 overall in my upcoming dynasty rookie draft but I am confident in that White will not be a bust and may have the best career out of the bunch when everything is said and done.

 
agreed, the injury part roared off the page...

USC is a school legendary for RBs, and he set three records (that i know about), that involved playing at high level in beginning, middle & end of his collegiate career...

only freshman in school history to lead team in rushing yards, set season rushing TD record and the CAREER rushing TD record... despite leaving a year early... i think you'll find he was healthy (& healthy enough to play at high level) a LOT while at USC...

he did have the hamstring problem at inopportune time, but so did heath miller, & while the PIT TEs injury-related inability to clock a 40 for the scouts was problematic for some teams, i don't think it was commonly viewed as a blanket indictment on his entire career by too many...

 
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I edited the initial post to say that I'm not implying he is injury prone, but since he is injured, it does need to be mentioned. However, I'm not so sure his head is right to have a successful career. Also, he doesn't seem too concerned with conditioning.

 
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If Addai had not ended up in Indy he would not even be mentioned with the top backs. Only reason is that Indy does not have a true proven RB...yet and once they do get one Addai will be on the sidelines like he was in LSU.

Addai is the one with the injury history in college. To me Addai will be a Kevin Faulk type of back. Solid back but not a back that you can count on like L White.

 
If Addai had not ended up in Indy he would not even be mentioned with the top backs. Only reason is that Indy does not have a true proven RB...yet and once they do get one Addai will be on the sidelines like he was in LSU.

Addai is the one with the injury history in college. To me Addai will be a Kevin Faulk type of back. Solid back but not a back that you can count on like L White.
You may be right, or the only thing to count on from White is that he will show up for training camp every year about 260 lbs and a bad attitude. I don't own Addai or White in any league, and I won't be drafting Addai at 1.3 even though I own Rhodes. I also traded Addai after one draft for Boldin straight up in a .5 ppr league.
 
Every player is a bust risk. On talent alone, White is the second or third best RB in this draft. I think he's one of the few RBs in this group with true stud potential and I think he has a very reasonable chance of becoming an impact FF player. I'd definitely take him over Joseph Addai and DeAngelo Williams, although I think Maroney is a slightly safer play (if not quite as exciting).

The character issues raise some concerns, but he played hard at USC, stayed eligible, never got in trouble off the field, and was utterly dominant. He allegedly weighed 250 pounds at the Rose Bowl game. That didn't stop him from putting up some nice numbers. Now that he's in the NFL, with what should be stricter standards, I don't think his conditioning will be a major issue.

 
Every player is a bust risk. On talent alone, White is the second or third best RB in this draft. I think he's one of the few RBs in this group with true stud potential and I think he has a very reasonable chance of becoming an impact FF player. I'd definitely take him over Joseph Addai and DeAngelo Williams, although I think Maroney is a slightly safer play (if not quite as exciting).

The character issues raise some concerns, but he played hard at USC, stayed eligible, never got in trouble off the field, and was utterly dominant. He allegedly weighed 250 pounds at the Rose Bowl game. That didn't stop him from putting up some nice numbers. Now that he's in the NFL, with what should be stricter standards, I don't think his conditioning will be a major issue.
Of course you drafted White in the newly formed HyperActive Dynasty League. I hope for your sake he does well, as your only RBs of note are Bush and White. Good luck with that.
 
The trust of his former coach is a plus.
That fact that Chow helped draft is very interesting to me, especially based on these comments from his RB coach at USC:
His character, he has matured, but there is some validity in the questions. His work ethic has progressed since I've been here... but he hasn't been the hardest worker.
linkAlong the same line, Jospeh Addai seems to have figured it out.

Asked this week to describe his first NFL mini-camp, the Colts’ rookie running back said there were three things that stood out.

1) The NFL is faster, he said.

2) Coaches expect more from you than in college.

3) You can’t make the same mistake twice.
http://colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=3759I still think White is good college player who benefited by playing in great college system which allowed his faults to be hidden. He still has a chance to be a good NFL player but better change his attitude and get a wake up call like Addai.

Plus there were also the rumors right before the draft that White failed a drug test.

 
On talent alone, White is the second or third best RB in this draft.
Than why was he the 5th RB taken? Do you know something NFL general managers and coaches don't?And why did teams in desperate need of RB depth pass on him? Twice in some cases....

 
You may be right, or the only thing to count on from White is that he will show up for training camp every year about 260 lbs and a bad attitude.
did i miss something....don't remember that being said about him.
 
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On talent alone, White is the second or third best RB in this draft.
Than why was he the 5th RB taken? Do you know something NFL general managers and coaches don't?And why did teams in desperate need of RB depth pass on him? Twice in some cases....
Cause he did not run the 40.
 
Plus there were also the rumors right before the draft that White failed a drug test.
There were rumors that he faked his hammy injury too. Whats your point?There are reasons we are calling such nonsense "rumors" today.

 
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On talent alone, White is the second or third best RB in this draft.
Than why was he the 5th RB taken? Do you know something NFL general managers and coaches don't?And why did teams in desperate need of RB depth pass on him? Twice in some cases....
Because Addai was a reach.
 
Every player is a bust risk. On talent alone, White is the second or third best RB in this draft. I think he's one of the few RBs in this group with true stud potential and I think he has a very reasonable chance of becoming an impact FF player. I'd definitely take him over Joseph Addai and DeAngelo Williams, although I think Maroney is a slightly safer play (if not quite as exciting).

The character issues raise some concerns, but he played hard at USC, stayed eligible, never got in trouble off the field, and was utterly dominant. He allegedly weighed 250 pounds at the Rose Bowl game. That didn't stop him from putting up some nice numbers. Now that he's in the NFL, with what should be stricter standards, I don't think his conditioning will be a major issue.
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all white has to do is beat out travis henry.. the titans are in the process of implementing a 2 back system, chris brown (despite injuries) is their quick/elusive home run threat.. the only battle will be between henry and white for the bigger/power back..

 
the only battle will be between henry and white for the bigger/power back..
Considering White is 5 inches taller and at LEAST 15 pounds heavier, I think that battle is already over. :) I see White being a TD machine for years to come. Maybe not a leading rusher type, but fantasy gold nonetheless.

 
Of course you drafted White in the newly formed HyperActive Dynasty League. I hope for your sake he does well, as your only RBs of note are Bush and White. Good luck with that.
We only have to start one. There's nothing wrong with those two.
 
Plus there were also the rumors right before the draft that White failed a drug test.
There were rumors that he faked his hammy injury too. Whats your point?There are reasons we are calling such nonsense "rumors" today.
My point was that it was one facet of this guy's problems. The only positive spin most people seem to have on White was that he was prodcutive at USC. Sounds to me like Olandis Gary in Denver.

Don't also forget that White faced PAC-10 teams whose rushing defense averaged 62nd in the country.

 
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Plus there were also the rumors right before the draft that White failed a drug test.
Rumors that were false. Tenn said it. The NFL said it. It was one desperate reporter from a shaky rag looking for notice and he was flat out wrong.Only two people in the draft failed drug tests. White was not one of them.

As for weight, he's far below that Rose Bowl weight and he hasn't even practised that much.

Both of those concerns aren't very worrisome to me.

Work ethic? Well, you can wonder about many of these kids. But that's the only question i have and I'm not that worried about it.

 
250 lbs does not mean the kid is fat. 250 lbs may mean a hell of a lot of muscle. We dont know what White consists of... the fat or muscle. No reason why White does not have the ability to start and start soon in the NFL. Personally, I would pick White #2 in a dynasty draft if that team wants to win now. White has the better opportunity to start before Bush, Maroney, and Williams.

As the first post mentioned, people at 1.04 will get great value out of White.

 
250 lbs does not mean the kid is fat. 250 lbs may mean a hell of a lot of muscle. We dont know what White consists of... the fat or muscle. No reason why White does not have the ability to start and start soon in the NFL. Personally, I would pick White #2 in a dynasty draft if that team wants to win now. White has the better opportunity to start before Bush, Maroney, and Williams.

As the first post mentioned, people at 1.04 will get great value out of White.
If you saw him with his shirt off at the combine and saw his 15 bench press reps than I think you can make a good assumption of what that 250lbs consist of. Now, does this necessarily mean much towards how he will produce at the NFL, maybe not, but conditioning and weight room work is definitely not one of his favorite pasttimes at this point.
 
Most of the leagues I'm in use 1 ppr scoring. White is by far the 5th RB behind Bush, Williams, Maroney, and Addai in those dynasty leagues. White might be terrific or he might be the next TJ Duckett. I'm looking for guys that generally will do it in the passing game too. And I know White has relatively great hands for a guy his size, but he still won't really be used in that situation on third downs in the NFL.

 
white tore up texas in the championship game, which has nothing to do with the pac 10...

as far as the rumor, it is meaningless & was baseless... if he had gotten popped, we would know about it. he didn't. end of story.

as to questions about his conditioning, how is he supposed to run with a hamstring injury... when last seen at TEN mini-camp, he reportedly lost weight... once again, chow is on the mark in calling him a misunderstood player...

whatever shape he was in, it was good enough to dominate at his level, and be one of the top RBs in school history of a very prestigious college for developing RBs...

flip the script... white stays for his senior year, gets 1,500 yards and 25 TDs, leads USC to national championship & wins heisman, than runs a 4.5-4.6 at combine/pro day... where does he get drafted?

even in an alternate & parallel universe... it is the SAME GUY...

sometimes you just have to use your imagination (while trying to not have one too overactive)...

 
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as to questions about his conditioning, how is he supposed to run with a hamstring injury...
Get in shape so the chances of it happening are less.That is part of the bassis for this argument. White currently does not have the work ethic to take his game to the NFL level.

His work ethic has been questioned by many, including his RB coach, Bill Parcells and I am guessing all the NFL teams that passed on him (See Bill Belichick, John Fox, etc). I respect most opinions on this board but it is funny to me that some FBGs think they know more than proven NFL coaches when they say White was the 2nd or 3rd best RB in the draft.

flip the script... white stays for his senior year, gets 1,500 yards and 25 TDs, leads USC to national championship & wins heisman, than runs a 4.5-4.6 at combine/pro day... where does he get drafted?
In that scenario, White would get drafted much higher (unlike Leinart returning to his senior year). Or maybe White only gets 900/10 because he doesn't have the same supporting cast and his true worth is exposed. He declared and is an NFL player. What if scenarios are fun but making up some hypothetical value for something that is never going to happen only seems to try and cover up the facts.

I am open to the idea that White could be an impact NFL player if he rededicates himself to football but I will not touch him in drafts until I see proof that this has happened.

 
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I picked White at 1.5 but then again Addai went 1.1 as well. I got the better deal. The Colts also have other RB for Addai to jump past to be the starter. The thing with White is he has his former coach and brittle Brown in fron of him. Now on the weight issue, does Bettis mean anything?

 
He needs to become an overachiever in the pros, imo....meaning, if he doesnt become addicted to working out, lifting weights, and staying in shape, then we will absolutely bust. He's not a monster like Jerome Bettis. Bettis was in a class all to his own during his time in the NFL. There was no other back like him. And if you look around the league, there are very few backs who arent absolute physical specimens. But most of the BIG backs, are absolute beasts. Id throw Jamal Lewis, Larry Johnson and Ronnie Brown in this category as examples, but each of these guys look absolutely like gladiators. White just looks soft. He only pressed the 225 15 times. That is ridiculously weak for a man that size. Reggie Bush, about 40lbs lighter, did it 24 or 25 times. If White doesnt improve his strength and conditioning and stay consistent with it year round, he's a major bust waiting to happen in the pros. Someone needs to tell him he's not at SC anymore, and he's not getting ready to play Arizona State.

 
as to questions about his conditioning, how is he supposed to run with a hamstring injury...
Get in shape so the chances of it happening are less.That is part of the bassis for this argument. White currently does not have the work ethic to take his game to the NFL level.

His work ethic has been questioned by many, including his RB coach, Bill Parcells and I am guessing all the NFL teams that passed on him (See Bill Belichick, John Fox, etc). I respect most opinions on this board but it is funny to me that some FBGs think they know more than proven NFL coaches when they say White was the 2nd or 3rd best RB in the draft.

flip the script... white stays for his senior year, gets 1,500 yards and 25 TDs, leads USC to national championship & wins heisman, than runs a 4.5-4.6 at combine/pro day... where does he get drafted?
In that scenario, White would get drafted much higher (unlike Leinart returning to his senior year). Or maybe White only gets 900/10 because he doesn't have the same supporting cast and his true worth is exposed. He declared and is an NFL player. What if scenarios are fun but making up some hypothetical value for something that is never going to happen only seems to try and cover up the facts.

I am open to the idea that White could be an impact NFL player if he rededicates himself to football but I will not touch him in drafts until I see proof that this has happened.
one question of mine that didn't get answered is the hackneyed old cliche about pac 10 defenses yielding inflated rushing numbers... is texas in the pac 10? what does his outstanding game against them in championship game do to this shopworn theory (deangelo williams didn't face a lot of stellar defenses at memphis, which would make him a bigger question than white by the criteria of strength of opposing defenses... & LT in his class)?so your point is that if ANYBODY has a pulled hamstring, EVER, for ANY reason, they are a flabby loser that needs to get into shape? even if in the case of white, he didn't have a history of missing games for his three years at USC, the duration of his collegiate career? has anybody in the history of the NFL that WAS in shape ever had a lingering hamstring injury? are they mutually exclusive states?

it just seems like some are being hasty, before white has even played a single pro game, to say he is a huge bust risk... similarly, it seems premature to state that because a player in his early twenties has a hamstring injury it will be a deathblow to his career... HUH?

the word was PIT would have taken white with last pick in round one if they hadn't engineered trade up for holmes... in which case he would have been picked within about 10 spots of maroney, williams & addai (for the record, TEN claimed white was a top 15 talent on their board)...

you can't infer from the fact that belichick & fox drafted maroney & williams before white that he will be an utter failure in the pros, or that questions about his work ethic caused them to pass... white was in the mix with those two after bush for the 2-4 RBs before, during & after the draft process...

first of all, why did williams almost fall out of the first round... he must be a bad back, right? probably coaches must have had questions about him because he is a flabby loser... same with steven jackson, who went late in round one of his draft... he must be a flabby loser, too.

the point is, every year, there are a LOT of teams that DON'T need a RB, allowing good players to fall further than perhaps they should have...

williams was one of the most prolific RBs in ncaa history... so if fox elected to take him ahead of white... he must be a flabby loser? is it possuble that white is outstanding but they just liked williams better?

maroney does have serious wheels & deep speed afterburners in the open field, an attribute in which he is superior to white... maybe NE was looking for this type of home run ability in their spread attack... that doesn't necessarily mean he is superior in all attributes... robert smith at his peak was an extremely explosive RB in open field (sprinter at ohio state)... white reminds me of a more explosive eddie george... was robert smith a better overall RB to george just because he was faster?

i also think critique that it is absurd to think fans might know more than NFL GMs in saying white is 2nd-3rd best RB is off base... white was in the mix with those guys leading up to the draft... some scouts thought williams was best... some had white... others maroney... it would be revisionist history to state that maroney was always viewed as #2 RB, williams always #3, addai always #4... MANY, MANY scouts beforehand had white as #2-#3 RB BEFORE the draft... we aren't just talking about casual fans here...

it only takes ONE team to fall in love with a guy... if they then draft him ahead of another RB based on some internal standards, it does NOT necessarily mean that was a proxy for all 31 other teams in the league, & they all would have taken that player first... you have to account for team differences in system, scheme & outlook...

colts valued addai as he was former FB/WR & had unusually complete skill set for a RB... i have doubts as a pure runner, but he undeniably was one of more complete backs in class in sense of having pro ready pass protection & receiving skills... can we read into that that addai is a "better" runner than white... not necessarily, but addai's skill set was valued by IND as good fit for their offense...

tom brady must be a terrible player, right? think of all the teams that passed on him.

and if you are drafted earlier, you must be good... like akili smith & david klingler...

 
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you can't infer from the fact that belichick & fox drafted maroney & williams before white ...................................................., or that questions about his work ethic caused them to pass...
I disagree with this statement. I think it had a lot to do with White being passed over.

 
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If White landed in Denver or Pittsburgh would we be saying that he would be a bust? NOPE

Had Addai ended up in Tennessee or Jacksonville would he be getting the praise..NOPE

So Addai ended up in a situation where on the surface it looks good, but I think that he will only be a 3rd down type of back (K Faulk).

White had a injury which impacted his draft status. And last I checked you do use your legs a little on the Bench Press, so if he was injured that would also explain why he only got 14 reps. I am pretty sure that L White can do more than 14 reps when healthy. It was just bad timing for a injury for L White.

 
If White landed in Denver or Pittsburgh would we be saying that he would be a bust? NOPE

Had Addai ended up in Tennessee or Jacksonville would he be getting the praise..NOPE

So Addai ended up in a situation where on the surface it looks good, but I think that he will only be a 3rd down type of back (K Faulk).

White had a injury which impacted his draft status. And last I checked you do use your legs a little on the Bench Press, so if he was injured that would also explain why he only got 14 reps. I am pretty sure that L White can do more than 14 reps when healthy. It was just bad timing for a injury for L White.
I think blaming his hamstring injury for his laughable bench press numbers is pushing it pretty far.
 
you can't infer from the fact that belichick & fox drafted maroney & williams before white ...................................................., or that questions about his work ethic caused them to pass...
I disagree with this statement. I think it had a lot to do with White being passed over.
is it really that inconceivable that, all things being equal, NE may have coveted maroney for his superior speed (respected scout mike mayock had maroney #2 RB)... or that maybe CAR just liked williams more... many scouts had deangelo #2 RB... even if white had a walter payton like work ethic, they STILL may have passed on white. are you claiming that NO scouts thought williams & maroney were superior to white... BASED PURELY ON ABILITY...

if this premise is flawed (it is), it doesn't follow that work ethic questions NECESSARILY were the cause of those teams passing...

people will think what they want, & if they are bound & determined to find the negatives in white, they will no doubt find "evidence" even when it doesn't exist...

one coach who was closer to white than just about any other, norm chow, vouched for him... how do we explain this away... he is just a sentimental loser... he is dumb?

when white couldn't run he was a slacker... when the injury was verified... than he was a slacker for getting injured... when he gains weight he is a slacker... when he LOSES weight, despite not being able to work out (which shows some dietary discipline), this information is ignored or suppressed... if he never missed time in college & put up stellar stats, it was just against pac 10 teams (still waiting for answer on what the heck that has to do with shredding texas in championship game)... if his former coach vouches for his character, this is again ignored, as it doesn't conveniently fit into the prevailing theory that he is a slacker...

this is like astronomers pre copernicus & kepler who had to devise increasingly monstrous contrivances & elaborate epicycles to keep fitting the increasingly contradictory data into their pet cosmology that the sun revolved around the earth...

just as an exercise, it would be nice to hear the naysayers come up with even two to three reasons why white might succeed... he is being painted very negatively with a crudely broad brush...

if you have seen him on film, he doesn't move like a fat slob... he hurdles defenders, is light on his feet, makes defenders miss, moves the pile despite strength questions...

 
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you can't infer from the fact that belichick & fox drafted maroney & williams before white ...................................................., or that questions about his work ethic caused them to pass...
I disagree with this statement. I think it had a lot to do with White being passed over.
is it really that inconceivable that, all things being equal, NE may have coveted maroney for his superior speed (respected scout mike mayock had maroney #2 RB)... or that maybe CAR just liked williams more... many scouts had deangelo #2 RB... even if white had a walter payton like work ethic, they STILL may have passed on white. are you claiming that NO scouts thought williams & maroney were superior to white... BASED PURELY ON ABILITY...

if this premise is flawed (it is), it doesn't follow that work ethic questions NECESSARILY were the cause of those teams passing...

people will think what they want, & if they are bound & determined to find the negatives in white, they will no doubt find "evidence" even when it doesn't exist...

one coach who was closer to white than just about any other, norm chow, vouched for him... how do we explain this away... he is just a sentimental loser... he is dumb?
Everyone has an opinion, you expressed yours, and I've expressed mine. I'm sure some teams had Williams and Maroney ranked higher because of ability, but if you think the obvious negatives about White didn't play a factor with a lot of teams in their evaluation of White, then I'm sure not going to be able to change your mind. I respect your opinion, but I think the warning signs are there for White. He could work out fine, but buyer beware.
 
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you can't infer from the fact that belichick & fox drafted maroney & williams before white ...................................................., or that questions about his work ethic caused them to pass...
I disagree with this statement. I think it had a lot to do with White being passed over.
I agree, two outstanding HCs pass on the kid. That says alot to me...I don't know that he'll be a bust, but I do believe he will be given 2006 to get in better shape and sharpen his focus on football...

Chris Brown and Travis Henry ahead of him give the Titans a year to make White a better player...And possible 2007 starter.

 
i repect your opinion as well,

& i wouldn't disagree with how you phrased it there, that it could have been a factor in some teams...

just, imo, when there were clear indications that maroney & williams may have been coveted more... ON TALENT ALONE (TEN GM floyd reese likened williams to LT! :) maroney was thought by many scouts superior to marion barber, who proved himself a pretty good prospect in his own right in DAL last season)... it seemed unnecessary to push the point so hard that we could infer from white not being drafted that it was likely due to work ethic questions... it isn't necessary to invoke that to interpret & explain the evidence available to us...

it isn't warranted by the facts to claim that they must have had a problem with him... this is a spin that neglects fact that some teams just plain liked maroney & williams better.

i'm not saying it is impossible to come up with evidence that he may not have a walter payton type work ethic... just that trying to make the case by saying NE & CAR passed on him for that reason, when it appears to be a stretch of the known facts (some teams just liked the other RBs better... ON PURE TALENT & ABILITY), seemingly isn't the best way to do so, & even further appears biased.

if anybody didn't notice that many scouts had wiliams & maroney ahead of white even BEFORE the injury & inability to run for scouts caused some of these questions to surface, they weren't paying attention at the time, & it lessens their credibility after the fact...

again, i'm not saying there may not be other ways to make the point... but this isn't one of them... neither is tired old saw (said by someone else that he padded stats against weak pac 10 defenses)... burden of proof on them is to splain why he so thoroughly dominated texas?

* just a reminder... there was plausible information that white could have been taken by cowher at #32... isn't he a good coach? would white have then enjoyed the cache of cowher's perceived acumen?

if he had gone at #32, we would be talking about few spots removed from williams (#27?)... if he had gone at #32, wouldn't it be biased to talk about how many teams passed on white... but not apply same rationale & ask if williams is deeply flawed because of how many teams passed on HIM? wouldn't it be splitting hairs to see vastly different outcomes if they were almost drafted within few spots?

not just white was passed... plenty of offensive talent, including WRs santonio holmes & chad jackson, as well as marcedes lewis, fell to late in first & second as defense was prioritized HEAVILY by many teams in first round... does that mean we have to invoke work ethic problems in their case, too (if no bias)? if not, why not?

* its like if three guys are in a room with briefcases full of cash... one has $8,000, one has $9,000 & other has $10,000... someone comes in room & can accept two briefcases... if he takes the ones that have $9,000 & $10,000, would we infer they don't like the $8,000... that the money was no good... it was dirty & maybe from a criminal... maybe, i realize this is a stretch, they just preferred to take the greater sum?

remember, IF reese is right & williams is LT-like... white could be REALLY, REALLY, REALLY good... & still not be as good as williams! :) this is why it is an extremly blunt instrument to use a formula like... white was passed for williams by fox... therefor it was over work ethic issues... & if white is not as talented as williams... he must therefor be a massive bust risk all of a sudden, which flies in the face of white's indisputably excellent body of work in college, & the grade by many scouts, before, during & AFTER the draft process...

 
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If White landed in Denver or Pittsburgh would we be saying that he would be a bust? NOPE

Had Addai ended up in Tennessee or Jacksonville would he be getting the praise..NOPE

So Addai ended up in a situation where on the surface it looks good, but I think that he will only be a 3rd down type of back (K Faulk).

White had a injury which impacted his draft status. And last I checked you do use your legs a little on the Bench Press, so if he was injured that would also explain why he only got 14 reps. I am pretty sure that L White can do more than 14 reps when healthy. It was just bad timing for a injury for L White.
-Addai is going to get the shot to carry the mail for the Colts, so the Kevin Faulk comparison will be inappropriate if he is able to perform well in that very desirable situation.-I lift weights alot, and have done upper body lifts with pulled muscles in my groin and/or hamstring. While many powerlifters use their legs in benching by elevating their but so as to use the lower pec more in the lift, this can be done without pain in the hamstring area, for the most part. Even if tensing up his legs in that way gave White some problems, no way does a pulled hammy take his bench total from the mid-20s to the mid-teens.

I like white alot, but his strength must improve to be successful in the NFL. I think if a strength coach works him really hard, White could be a beast, but he's not there yet.

 
If White landed in Denver or Pittsburgh would we be saying that he would be a bust?  NOPE

Had Addai ended up in Tennessee or Jacksonville would he be getting the praise..NOPE

So Addai ended up in a situation where on the surface it looks good, but I think that he will only be a 3rd down type of back (K Faulk). 

White had a injury which impacted his draft status.  And last I checked you do use your legs a little on the Bench Press, so if he was injured that would also explain why he only got 14 reps.  I am pretty sure that L White can do more than 14 reps when healthy.  It was just bad timing for a injury for L White.
-Addai is going to get the shot to carry the mail for the Colts, so the Kevin Faulk comparison will be inappropriate if he is able to perform well in that very desirable situation.-I lift weights alot, and have done upper body lifts with pulled muscles in my groin and/or hamstring. While many powerlifters use their legs in benching by elevating their but so as to use the lower pec more in the lift, this can be done without pain in the hamstring area, for the most part. Even if tensing up his legs in that way gave White some problems, no way does a pulled hammy take his bench total from the mid-20s to the mid-teens.

I like white alot, but his strength must improve to be successful in the NFL. I think if a strength coach works him really hard, White could be a beast, but he's not there yet.
The whole problem I have with that argument is that RBs typically don't rely on their arms nearly as much as their legs. White may not be much of a threat in the weight room, but he's the heaviest of this year's top RBs and he sure looks the most powerful when you watch him on the field. It was a lot of fun to see White work last season. You know how pundits and announcers talk about guys who wear down the defense and get stronger as the game goes on? It's usually a bunch of BS, but that's really what White did. Once USC started feeding him the ball in the second half of games, you could practically see the other team quit. He comes with a lot of risk, but he's the only RB in this class that I can see reaching the Shaun Alexander/Larry Johnson level (Bush is a better prospect, but a different kind of player).

 
as far as the rumor, it is meaningless & was baseless... if he had gotten popped, we would know about it. he didn't. end of story.
Why do you say we would know about it? The NFL drug program is confidential.Anybody else remember the meaningless and baseless rumors about Charles Rogers' diluted urine sample before the draft?

I'm not saying it was definitely legit, but a 20% chance he has a drug problem, a 30% chance he has ongoing conditioning problems, a 30% chance he has a work ethic problem, pretty soon you have a very high chance that he has some sort of problem.

 
the word was PIT would have taken white with last pick in round one if they hadn't engineered trade up for holmes... in which case he would have been picked within about 10 spots of maroney, williams & addai (for the record, TEN claimed white was a top 15 talent on their board)...
PIT would have been a better place for him, if for no other reason than he would have good veteran leadership to increase the likelihood that he doesn't become a putz. Who is going to provide that now? PacMan Jones? Billy Volek?Re: top 15 talent... many of those who think he is likely to be a bust (including myself) think he has top 15 talent. That's not the issue. Maurice Clarett had pretty close to top 15 talent. Charles Rogers had top 15 talent.

 
White had a injury which impacted his draft status. And last I checked you do use your legs a little on the Bench Press, so if he was injured that would also explain why he only got 14 reps. I am pretty sure that L White can do more than 14 reps when healthy. It was just bad timing for a injury for L White.
Willis McGahee had a minor injury too, but he went in the middle of the first round.This is about a lot more than the injury, folks.

I also don't understand (but I may be ignorant here) why the hamstring injury caused him to do 14 reps on the bench press.

 

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