Will Orton be a surprise this year? Will Cutler come down to earth? (1 Viewer)

[MadCowGang]

Now that Orton has a better supporting cast and a stable of receivers to throw to will he be the surprise QB of the season?

Will Jay Cutler be the Superstar he's pegged as, or just Ok? (Just can't see him being bad)

Or will the Broncos look like a mule to let a franchise QB leave town?

What do you think about this Soap Opera?

 

[tdmills]

A little behind the curve aren't you? This story have been played out multiple times.

I honestly think its a little of both.

I think Orton made the Chicago weapons a little less than their potential and Cutler made the Bronco weapons a little better than the average QB would.

So in turn Orton should have a better season than he had in Chicago and Cutler will have a little worse season than he had in Denver.

 

[Power Monster]

I like the potential for Orton- suspect defense, receiving weapons, decent offensive line and a division that can be ripe for the FF points to fly.

 

[Cookiemonster]

The Atlanta WR were generally accepted as sub-standard 'till Vick was gone. Then all of a sudden Roddy is a star and even Jenkins is pretty decent. I see Hester having some HUGE games, and Olsen becoming a stud. Scheffler becoming an afterthought and Royal slipping a little. Marshall is still an easy target to hit, but I doubt he is force-fed like he was by Cutler. I agree that Cutler takes a little step back, and Orton a slight step forward but never come close to the same plane.

 

[TheFanatic]

A little behind the curve aren't you? This story have been played out multiple times.



I honestly think its a little of both.

I think Orton made the Chicago weapons a little less than their potential and Cutler made the Bronco weapons a little better than the average QB would.

So in turn Orton should have a better season than he had in Chicago and Cutler will have a little worse season than he had in Denver.

This is my thinking. Orton will do better than he has in the past and Cutler will come back to earth a bit. This year is a good year to get Cutler as I think they will bolster that WR corps next year and he will be a monster...

 

[Todem]

Cutler is a franchise QB. The Broncos were complete tards in trading him and looking to court Cassell who IMO is an average at best QB.

I am still miffed at what they did. It may go down as one of the all time front office blunders in NFL history. Cutler will thrive in the Windy City. It is exactly the right place for him. That city will embrace having a stud QB and he will make everyone around him that much better. Great arm, great swagger....the guy is a natural. Bravo to the Bears for raping the Broncos and adding the missing piece they needed.

Orton is a game manager. Nothing more...nothing less. Marshall and Royal will miss having Cutler more than Cutler will miss having them IMO.

 

[BoulderBob]

I think Ron Turner's offense will prove to be very effective now that he has QB who has accuracy on throws longer than 10 yards. Cutler needs a tall WR, but his TE's/slot WR's/RB's/offensive line appear to be solid, at the very least.

Orton also looked decent before he injured his knee last season, but his accuracy on 10+ yard throws needs serious work. If McDaniels helps him in this area, he can be a fine NFL starting QB, imo...

 

[Your Mom]

Cutler is a franchise QB. The Broncos were complete tards in trading him and looking to court Cassell who IMO is an average at best QB.I am still miffed at what they did. It may go down as one of the all time front office blunders in NFL history. Cutler will thrive in the Windy City. It is exactly the right place for him. That city will embrace having a stud QB and he will make everyone around him that much better. Great arm, great swagger....the guy is a natural. Bravo to the Bears for raping the Broncos and adding the missing piece they needed. Orton is a game manager. Nothing more...nothing less. Marshall and Royal will miss having Cutler more than Cutler will miss having them IMO.

Could not have said it better myself.

 

[moleculo]

cutlers #s were inflated because of the sheer number of passes thrown in 2008. His stats on a per/pass basis:

YPA = 7.3, 10th in the league

completion % = 62.3, 14th in the league

TD/att: 0.04, 13th in the league

INT/att: .029, 26th in the league.

Cutlers stats were only fantastic when you consider the sheer number of passes thrown:

att: 616, 2nd in the league

Now, if you happen to think that the number of passes thrown is a function of the team rather than the individual, and you believe that Chicago will throw far less than Denver did (more conservative O, better D, better running game, worse receivers all point to this), you would have to assume that Cutlers cumulative stats will suffer, and suffer greatly.

Just for fun, I extrapolated Ortons stats to see what his production would have been w/ Cutlers passing attempts, and what Cutlers stats would have been with Ortons attempts. Each guy kept his own passing %, YPA, TD/att and int/att:

Player Comp Att Pct Yds YPA TD Int

Kyle Orton 360 616 59% 3942 6.4 24 16

Jay Cutler 290 465 62% 3395 7.3 19 14

interesting.

 

[Todem]

cutlers #s were inflated because of the sheer number of passes thrown in 2008. His stats on a per/pass basis: YPA = 7.3, 10th in the leaguecompletion % = 62.3, 14th in the leagueTD/att: 0.04, 13th in the leagueINT/att: .029, 26th in the league.Cutlers stats were only fantastic when you consider the sheer number of passes thrown:att: 616, 2nd in the leagueNow, if you happen to think that the number of passes thrown is a function of the team rather than the individual, and you believe that Chicago will throw far less than Denver did (more conservative O, better D, better running game, worse receivers all point to this), you would have to assume that Cutlers cumulative stats will suffer, and suffer greatly.Just for fun, I extrapolated Ortons stats to see what his production would have been w/ Cutlers passing attempts, and what Cutlers stats would have been with Ortons attempts. Each guy kept his own passing %, YPA, TD/att and int/attlayer Comp Att Pct Yds YPA TD Int Kyle Orton 360 616 59% 3942 6.4 24 16Jay Cutler 290 465 62% 3395 7.3 19 14interesting.

The question was will Cutler still be a Superstar.....that answer based on talent is yes. And he now has a team that can run and play defense.FF wise I still think Cutler is a top 5 caliber player.

 

[pennystock]

cutlers #s were inflated because of the sheer number of passes thrown in 2008. His stats on a per/pass basis: YPA = 7.3, 10th in the leaguecompletion % = 62.3, 14th in the leagueTD/att: 0.04, 13th in the leagueINT/att: .029, 26th in the league.Cutlers stats were only fantastic when you consider the sheer number of passes thrown:att: 616, 2nd in the leagueNow, if you happen to think that the number of passes thrown is a function of the team rather than the individual, and you believe that Chicago will throw far less than Denver did (more conservative O, better D, better running game, worse receivers all point to this), you would have to assume that Cutlers cumulative stats will suffer, and suffer greatly.Just for fun, I extrapolated Ortons stats to see what his production would have been w/ Cutlers passing attempts, and what Cutlers stats would have been with Ortons attempts. Each guy kept his own passing %, YPA, TD/att and int/attlayer Comp Att Pct Yds YPA TD Int Kyle Orton 360 616 59% 3942 6.4 24 16Jay Cutler 290 465 62% 3395 7.3 19 14interesting.

I like this analysis, it's fun to think about it this way, at least as a baseline. However, Orton missed time last year, so I think it would be fairer to scale Cutler's numbers back to the total number of Chicago pass attempts, not just Orton's. Here's the numbers revised:

Attempts	Comp. %	Comp.	Yds/A	Yds	TD	INT	FPK. Orton	465	58.5%	272	 6.39 	2,972	18	12	220.6Adjusted	616	58.5%	360	 6.39 	3,937	24	16	292.9									Attempts	Comp. %	Comp.	Yds/A	Yds	TD	INT	FPJ. Cutler	616	62.3%	384	 7.35 	4,526	25	18	326.3Adjusted	528	62.3%	329	 7.35 	3,879	21	15	278.0

FP are equal to 1 pt for every 20 passing yds and 4 pts per TD. I would expect Chicago to pass more next year because they have a better quarterback, and I would expect Denver to throw less next year because they have a worse quarterback and (I think) a more effective RB situation. But Orton may also get a little bit more effective because overall the skills of his receivers are better, and for Cutler the opposite may occur.All that being said, I would still find it hard to believe that Orton throws for over 3,900 yards. But I do think he has value/upside this year and will most likely be looking to pick him or Garrard as my backup QB.

 

[loose circuits]

won't the threat of Forte running the ball help Cutler more than what he had in Denver?

 

[moleculo]

cutlers #s were inflated because of the sheer number of passes thrown in 2008. His stats on a per/pass basis:

YPA = 7.3, 10th in the league

completion % = 62.3, 14th in the league

TD/att: 0.04, 13th in the league

INT/att: .029, 26th in the league.

Cutlers stats were only fantastic when you consider the sheer number of passes thrown:

att: 616, 2nd in the league

Now, if you happen to think that the number of passes thrown is a function of the team rather than the individual, and you believe that Chicago will throw far less than Denver did (more conservative O, better D, better running game, worse receivers all point to this), you would have to assume that Cutlers cumulative stats will suffer, and suffer greatly.

Just for fun, I extrapolated Ortons stats to see what his production would have been w/ Cutlers passing attempts, and what Cutlers stats would have been with Ortons attempts. Each guy kept his own passing %, YPA, TD/att and int/att:

Player Comp Att Pct Yds YPA TD Int

Kyle Orton 360 616 59% 3942 6.4 24 16

Jay Cutler 290 465 62% 3395 7.3 19 14

interesting.

I like this analysis, it's fun to think about it this way, at least as a baseline. However, Orton missed time last year, so I think it would be fairer to scale Cutler's numbers back to the total number of Chicago pass attempts, not just Orton's. Here's the numbers revised:
Attempts Comp. % Comp. Yds/A Yds TD INT FPK. Orton 465 58.5% 272 6.39 2,972 18 12 220.6Adjusted 616 58.5% 360 6.39 3,937 24 16 292.9 Attempts Comp. % Comp. Yds/A Yds TD INT FPJ. Cutler 616 62.3% 384 7.35 4,526 25 18 326.3Adjusted 528 62.3% 329 7.35 3,879 21 15 278.0FP are equal to 1 pt for every 20 passing yds and 4 pts per TD. I would expect Chicago to pass more next year because they have a better quarterback, and I would expect Denver to throw less next year because they have a worse quarterback and (I think) a more effective RB situation. But Orton may also get a little bit more effective because overall the skills of his receivers are better, and for Cutler the opposite may occur.All that being said, I would still find it hard to believe that Orton throws for over 3,900 yards. But I do think he has value/upside this year and will most likely be looking to pick him or Garrard as my backup QB.

I have complete confidence that the Broncos will run more in 2009 than they did in 2008. McD is taking a systematic approach for the team - it's not about fixing the D and then fixing the O, it's about fixing the whole team. That starts with special teams (Denver was terrible last year in terms of field position), turnovers (again, terrible), and time of possession. While it sounds counter-intuitive, McD will improve the D by controlling the clock on O.As far as Chicago passing more - I don't see why they would. They will want to play ball-control too. Unless their D falls apart, I don't see Chicago airing it out more. One key difference will be Cutler forcing the ball downfield more instead of dumpoffs to Forte. i expect Forte's receiving #s to drop quite a bit.

 

[kroyrunner89]

I'm convinced the Bears overpaid for Cutler. Although Cutler benefited from solid receivers last year, I still think he's every bit as talented as he's hyped up to be, but I'm not necessarily convinced he'll solve the Bears' offensive problems. A small step back for him wouldn't surprise me.

As for Orton, I expect him to do a good job leading the Broncos offense. If he can stay healthy this year, something like 25 tds to 15 ints would be about my guess for him. He showed last year that he was capable of leading a team (before he got hurt), and his turnover problems really only started after he rushed back from his injury. As for the lack of scoring, I blame that more on the Bears' offensive coordinator than him. Hard to throw for tds when all you do is run it in.

 

[smackdaddies]

From todays Trib

Though the team has been off for more than six weeks, Cutler and the receivers did not stop working together. He has been throwing to them regularly at Halas Hall.

I would think perhaps Cutler may be done somewhat, but not by much - He may not have the Packers WR, but he also has Forte and Olson. I think his numbers will be about the same, but perhaps his adp lower?

HT to the JS Packers Packers Blog, which often pulls in information on all the Norris division teams