Will Peyton Break the TD record? (1 Viewer)

[pizzatyme]

Ten-3

SD-3

Hou-4

Oak-2 then sit the second half.

53 is your final number.

With the Titans and Chargers still in the playoff hunt, do you think they try the strategy the Patriots used? Let them run the ball and hope the linebackers can make enough plays to force them into some longer 3rd downs or some mistakes?

I think that strategy only works if the Broncos let it and I feel like they learned their lesson in NE.

I'd look former of what we saw last night from here on out.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Ten-3

SD-3

Hou-4

Oak-2 then sit the second half.

53 is your final number.

With the Titans and Chargers still in the playoff hunt, do you think they try the strategy the Patriots used? Let them run the ball and hope the linebackers can make enough plays to forcethem into some longer 3rd downs or some mistakes?

I think that strategy only works if the Broncos let it and I feel like they learned their lesson in NE.

I'd look former of what we saw last night from here on out.

that strategy was fine, and the ball was so slippery in NE that night the late turnovers cost them, not rushing for 220 yards

tennesse stat wise is pretty good vs the pass, but Peyton at home should shred them regardless.

 

[General Tso]

Peyton won't turn down the record if he breaks it in the process of winning games, but I doubt he devotes much thought to it.

Just like when he broke the record the first time? You remember, the games when he was throwing touchdown passes in the 4th quarter with his team up by 3 or 4 scores?

wasn't that the season he sat all but the first series in week 17? The season where he threw no more than two TD passes in his last 4 games?

Oh, my bad. He's not a stat whore after he breaks the record.

I hate to burst your bubble (well, not really), but Peyton threw a whopping 1 TD that year in the 4th quarter with his team up by at least 3 scores. That one TD came with 13 minutes left in a 17 point game on 3rd and goal from the 10.

He actually only threw 9 passes total when up 3+ scores in the 4th quarter. Compare that to a certain someone who eventually broke his record, throwing 48 passes in that same scenario.

Here are the cold hard facts from his 2004 season. You tell me if he wasn't padding his stats....

Fact: The Colts had a grossly unbalanced scoring offense

Three teams in 2004 scored 50-plus offensive touchdowns: Indianapolis (59), Kansas City (56) and San Diego (50).

• Kansas City had 26 passing TDs and 30 rushing TDs

• San Diego had 27 passing TDs and 23 rushing TDs

• Indianapolis had 49 passing TDs and just 10 rushing TDs

That ratio is ridiculous, especially for a team that had the AFC's leading rusher, Edgerrin James, in the backfield. James had 333 carries for 1,550 yards this year and only has 9 rushing TDs. That is a TD for every 37.0 carries.

The accumulated totals for EVERY OTHER running back in the NFL that year were 11,609 carries and 345 touchdowns. That is a ratio of one TD every 33.6 carries. Think Edge was better than the league average?

During one six-game stretch - Weeks 7-12 - Manning had 27 touchdown passes. Over that same stretch, the Colts rushed for just one touchdown. From Week 7 to Week 12, James carried the ball 120 times for 639 yards and had just one rushing TD to show for it. What a joke.

Fact: One-third of Manning's touchdown passes were for 5 or less yards

Manning threw 49 TDs. Sixteen of them – 32.6 percent – were for 5 or less yards. While a lot of passing touchdowns are short tosses, 16 of them seems excessive. Comparing Indianapolis with Kansas City and San Diego, here are the touchdowns that the teams scored from 5 yards or less that year.

• Indianapolis – 16 passing TDs, 7 rushing TDs

• Kansas City – 4 passing TDs, 19 rushing TDs

• San Diego – 5 passing TDs, 14 rushing TDs

If Manning ran his offense in a manner remotely similar to some of the league's other elite offensive teams, Manning would have had about 10 fewer passing TDs.

To put it another way: Trent Green of Kansas City and Drew Brees of San Diego would have been closing in on the TD pass record themselves if they had led such an intentionally unbalanced offense.

Fact: Manning ran up scores

For the first part of the year Manning was doing fine. Over their first eight games the Colts won by an average of 11.8 points. Then Manning somehow got confused and thought he was in college again where margin of victory actually matters.

In Week 10 against Houston, with a 35-0 lead, he was still is throwing. He threw two late interceptions that gave Houston the field position they needed to score their only points. In fact, in the final quarter, with Indy sporting a 42-7 lead, Manning came out and attempted four straight passes before being intercepted. Final score: 49-14. Said Manning after the game: "We're the kind of offense that's score, score, score, attack, attack, attack."

The following week, playing a beat up Chicago team that had very little chance to score 20-plus points, Manning was still throwing midway through the third quarter with a more-than-comfortable 24-point lead.

The next week, versus Detroit, Manning reached a new low. Late in the third quarter, leading the Lions 34-9, Manning was still throwing the ball. With just over 2 minutes to go in the third, Manning hit Marvin Harrison from 5 yards for his sixth TD of the game. Manning didn't play in the fourth quarter, apparently feeling the 32-point, 41-9 lead would be sufficient.

Statius Whoreus

 

[Ghost Rider]

So basically, the argument is, "Manning is a stat whore because he is so great, teams cannot stop him when he feels like racking up stats." That is quite a testament to his greatness, actually.

 

[ebsteelers]

i didnt realize how delicious his post season schedule is in week 15 and 16

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

So basically, the argument is, "Manning is a stat whore because he is so great, teams cannot stop him when he feels like racking up stats." That is quite a testament to his greatness, actually.

he was behind by 2 tds in the KC game, you kinda have to throw when you are down in a football game.

they might not be down 2tds rest of the regular season. However, they are playing for HFA vs NE, so I can see them keeping the pedal to the metal regardless of game situation

 

[Bamac]

No doubt he breaks it. That offense is unstoppable and, unlike Brady, Peyton cares very much about records.

I think this claim is the reason most people were calling you out, and you've done nothing to defend it (while others have attacked it with compelling facts).

 

[Adam Harstad]

Peyton Manning is 3rd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 54 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 4.4 games. 11.3% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

Tom Brady is 2nd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 55 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 3.4 games. 15.6% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

#JustSayin'

 

[TheFanatic]

Peyton Manning is 3rd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 54 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 4.4 games. 11.3% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

Tom Brady is 2nd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 55 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 3.4 games. 15.6% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

#JustSayin'

To say that neither of these guys are stat whores is like saying I like to fire up the grill every now and again...

 

[Ghost Rider]

Yeah, let's face it: you don't get to be as good as guys like Brady, Manning or Brees without having a major competitive fire, and when you are that good, you want to be the best, and putting up monster numbers is a way to distinguish yourself from the others. The fact that all three of those guys can do so while still winning tons of games only adds to their legends. Contrast that to a guy like Matthew Stafford who has thrown 88 touchdown passes since the start of the '11 season, but is only 21-23 as a starter. And that is not meant as a criticism of Stafford so much as it is a compliment to the other three.

 

[TheFanatic]

Yeah, let's face it: you don't get to be as good as guys like Brady, Manning or Brees without having a major competitive fire, and when you are that good, you want to be the best, and putting up monster numbers is a way to distinguish yourself from the others. The fact that all three of those guys can do so while still winning tons of games only adds to their legends. Contrast that to a guy like Matthew Stafford who has thrown 88 touchdown passes since the start of the '11 season, but is only 21-23 as a starter. And that is not meant as a criticism of Stafford so much as it is a compliment to the other three.

For some guys, a W is not a stat they care about. I'm not so sure Randy Moss cared if they won or lost. Hell, he might not have cared about whether he got 100 yards a game, particularly with Oakland. TO came across like that to me. Word has it Albert Pujols was always laughing it up if he had a good game, win or loss by the team.

These guys want to win first and foremost, and second, if they can be the passing TD leader, they will do that. Or the ironman, or the NFL passing yards leader, etc. Those guys eye those records hard. Sjax39 is clinging to the game, trying to get into the HOF. He adds a SB ring, and he just might make it...

 

[FUBAR]

It's not a lock, but it's a safe bet. He's already #8.

Two closer questions -

1. Does Drew Brees finish top 5 all-time? 5 games left, needs 17.

2. Peyton choose over/under at 55.

I'll bite

1. YES

2. Over, unless he sits over a half in week 17

 

[Adam Harstad]

Peyton Manning is 3rd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 54 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 4.4 games. 11.3% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

Tom Brady is 2nd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 55 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 3.4 games. 15.6% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

#JustSayin'

To say that neither of these guys are stat whores is like saying I like to fire up the grill every now and again...

Yeah. A stat whore is someone who does something that falls outside the natural flow of the game in pursuit of a record. Guys who happen to accumulate massive stats during the regular course of the game aren't stat whores, they're just phenomenal players. For instance, Peyton Manning and Nick Foles weren't stat-whoring it up when they went for 7 TDs. Foles got all of his scores in the first 3 quarters, when the game was theoretically still in question. Manning got his 7th TD on a short little screen when he was trying to get a first down to chew up the rest of the clock. They weren't chasing the record, they just happened to get it in the natural flow of the game because they were playing so well.

An example of stat whoring would be Oakland force-feeding the ball to Jerry Rice when they're down by 3+ touchdowns to keep his consecutive games with a reception streak alive. They were just running stupid little screen passes that did nothing to contribute to their efforts to win the game, simply because they had nothing left to play for.

It's hard to say that scoring TDs does nothing to contribute to a team's efforts to win the game, so in that respect, it's hard to say that scoring touchdowns is ever being a stat whore, unless you're passing up a higher-percentage touchdown play in order to check to a lower-percentage touchdown play... but given Manning's (and Brady's) history, I'd be hard pressed to call letting them pass the ball at the goal line a "lower-percentage touchdown play".

 

[Adam Harstad]

It's not a lock, but it's a safe bet. He's already #8.

Two closer questions -

1. Does Drew Brees finish top 5 all-time? 5 games left, needs 17.

2. Peyton choose over/under at 55.

I'll bite

1. YES

2. Over, unless he sits over a half in week 17

I'll take the under on both.

 

[General Tso]

No doubt he breaks it. That offense is unstoppable and, unlike Brady, Peyton cares very much about records.

I think this claim is the reason most people were calling you out, and you've done nothing to defend it (while others have attacked it with compelling facts).

Yeah, that was a bit uncalled for on my part and I'd retract it if I could. It seemed to me at the time that Brady cared less about records. After all, this is the guy who could have had 4 opportunities to throw a TD pass from the 1 and keep his streak alive late in the 4th quarter a couple months ago, but instead handed off for a TD and saw his consecutive passing record snapped one short of Brees. After doing some of the research since last night, however, I think I've come to the conclusion that Brady is probably just as much as stat padder as Brees and Manning.

But, unfortunately I do have to disagree with your assertion that this is what people are calling me out on. People in here are actually making affirmative statements that Peyton Manning does not care about records and that everything is going down as pure happenstance. I'd say that this is beyond naive and bordering on disingenuousness. Yes, it hasn't been as noticeable as 2004. But you can bet your bottom dollar that he is both very aware of this record and very committed to reclaiming it. Everyone who is arguing otherwise in here is downright foolish. Heck, people are still making claims that he wasn't going for the record in 2004. Manning lovers are as blind as they get.

 

[Bamac]

Peyton Manning is 3rd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 54 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 4.4 games. 11.3% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

Tom Brady is 2nd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 55 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 3.4 games. 15.6% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

#JustSayin'

To say that neither of these guys are stat whores is like saying I like to fire up the grill every now and again...

Umm ... Manning is also second in career passing TDs from any distance (Brady is fourth). I don't think this stat shows that either guy is padding stats. But it does suggest that Peyton doesn't do so more than Brady.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Yeah, that was a bit uncalled for on my part and I'd retract it if I could. It seemed to me at the time that Brady cared less about records. After all, this is the guy who could have had 4 opportunities to throw a TD pass from the 1 and keep his streak alive late in the 4th quarter a couple months ago, but instead handed off for a TD and saw his consecutive passing record snapped one short of Brees.

Wrong again, Merlin. Brady's streak came to an end in a game they lost 13-6 to the Bengals. A game where the Patriots failed to score a touchdown in any fashion. So, how did Brady selflessly allow his streak to die by handing off for a touchdown in a game where the Patriots didn't score a touchdown?

 

[Bamac]

Yeah, that was a bit uncalled for on my part and I'd retract it if I could. It seemed to me at the time that Brady cared less about records. After all, this is the guy who could have had 4 opportunities to throw a TD pass from the 1 and keep his streak alive late in the 4th quarter a couple months ago, but instead handed off for a TD and saw his consecutive passing record snapped one short of Brees.

Wrong again, Merlin. Brady's streak came to an end in a game they lost 13-6 to the Bengals. A game where the Patriots failed to score a touchdown in any fashion. So, how did Brady selflessly allow his streak to die by handing off for a touchdown in a game where the Patriots didn't score a touchdown?

Time to call off the dogs, I think. Dude acknowledged that Brady is a stat-grabber too. I it's quite possible that neither is one, but reasonable minds can disagree (reasonably).

 

[TheCommish]

Yeah, that was a bit uncalled for on my part and I'd retract it if I could. It seemed to me at the time that Brady cared less about records. After all, this is the guy who could have had 4 opportunities to throw a TD pass from the 1 and keep his streak alive late in the 4th quarter a couple months ago, but instead handed off for a TD and saw his consecutive passing record snapped one short of Brees.

Wrong again, Merlin. Brady's streak came to an end in a game they lost 13-6 to the Bengals. A game where the Patriots failed to score a touchdown in any fashion. So, how did Brady selflessly allow his streak to die by handing off for a touchdown in a game where the Patriots didn't score a touchdown?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! He owned you!!!

{garbage truck passes by}

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

{and a double}

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

 

[jurb26]

The only great players I can think if who didn't whore it up were Barry and Brown.

Who gives a flyin crap. Let Manning fire away at the record and enjoy the drama.

 

[cstu]

The only great players I can think if who didn't white it up were Barry and Brown.

Who gives a flyin crap. Let Manning fire away at the record and enjoy the drama.

Exactly, this thread has gone to hell.

 

[moleculo]

Yeah, that was a bit uncalled for on my part and I'd retract it if I could. It seemed to me at the time that Brady cared less about records. After all, this is the guy who could have had 4 opportunities to throw a TD pass from the 1 and keep his streak alive late in the 4th quarter a couple months ago, but instead handed off for a TD and saw his consecutive passing record snapped one short of Brees.

Wrong again, Merlin. Brady's streak came to an end in a game they lost 13-6 to the Bengals. A game where the Patriots failed to score a touchdown in any fashion. So, how did Brady selflessly allow his streak to die by handing off for a touchdown in a game where the Patriots didn't score a touchdown?

not to beat a dead horse, but Brady had two pass attempts from the one in the 4th quarter of that game, settled for a 19 yard FG.

 

[TheFanatic]

Peyton Manning is 3rd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 54 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 4.4 games. 11.3% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

Tom Brady is 2nd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 55 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 3.4 games. 15.6% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

#JustSayin'

To say that neither of these guys are stat whores is like saying I like to fire up the grill every now and again...

Yeah. A stat whore is someone who does something that falls outside the natural flow of the game in pursuit of a record. Guys who happen to accumulate massive stats during the regular course of the game aren't stat whores, they're just phenomenal players. For instance, Peyton Manning and Nick Foles weren't stat-whoring it up when they went for 7 TDs. Foles got all of his scores in the first 3 quarters, when the game was theoretically still in question. Manning got his 7th TD on a short little screen when he was trying to get a first down to chew up the rest of the clock. They weren't chasing the record, they just happened to get it in the natural flow of the game because they were playing so well.

An example of stat whoring would be Oakland force-feeding the ball to Jerry Rice when they're down by 3+ touchdowns to keep his consecutive games with a reception streak alive. They were just running stupid little screen passes that did nothing to contribute to their efforts to win the game, simply because they had nothing left to play for.

It's hard to say that scoring TDs does nothing to contribute to a team's efforts to win the game, so in that respect, it's hard to say that scoring touchdowns is ever being a stat whore, unless you're passing up a higher-percentage touchdown play in order to check to a lower-percentage touchdown play... but given Manning's (and Brady's) history, I'd be hard pressed to call letting them pass the ball at the goal line a "lower-percentage touchdown play".

Running the score up in professional football qualifies. And if you scroll up this thread, you will see plenty of examples from both Brady and Manning in which they do that...

 

[msudaisy26]

Peyton Manning is 3rd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 54 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 4.4 games. 11.3% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

Tom Brady is 2nd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 55 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 3.4 games. 15.6% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

#JustSayin'

I think that stat is a little misleading. Edge James was a very dependable short yardage back for a long time.

 

[Bamac]

Peyton Manning is 3rd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 54 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 4.4 games. 11.3% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

Tom Brady is 2nd all-time in total passing touchdowns of 2 yards or less. He has 55 such touchdowns in his career, which is one every 3.4 games. 15.6% of his total TD passes are of the stat-padding chip-shot variety.

#JustSayin'

To say that neither of these guys are stat whores is like saying I like to fire up the grill every now and again...

Yeah. A stat whore is someone who does something that falls outside the natural flow of the game in pursuit of a record. Guys who happen to accumulate massive stats during the regular course of the game aren't stat whores, they're just phenomenal players. For instance, Peyton Manning and Nick Foles weren't stat-whoring it up when they went for 7 TDs. Foles got all of his scores in the first 3 quarters, when the game was theoretically still in question. Manning got his 7th TD on a short little screen when he was trying to get a first down to chew up the rest of the clock. They weren't chasing the record, they just happened to get it in the natural flow of the game because they were playing so well.

An example of stat whoring would be Oakland force-feeding the ball to Jerry Rice when they're down by 3+ touchdowns to keep his consecutive games with a reception streak alive. They were just running stupid little screen passes that did nothing to contribute to their efforts to win the game, simply because they had nothing left to play for.

It's hard to say that scoring TDs does nothing to contribute to a team's efforts to win the game, so in that respect, it's hard to say that scoring touchdowns is ever being a stat whore, unless you're passing up a higher-percentage touchdown play in order to check to a lower-percentage touchdown play... but given Manning's (and Brady's) history, I'd be hard pressed to call letting them pass the ball at the goal line a "lower-percentage touchdown play".

Running the score up in professional football qualifies. And if you scroll up this thread, you will see plenty of examples from both Brady and Manning in which they do that...

I have a hard time calling anyone out for "running up the score" in light of games like this: ​http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=231006027

 

[FF Ninja]

No doubt he breaks it. That offense is unstoppable and, unlike Brady, Peyton cares very much about records.

I think this claim is the reason most people were calling you out, and you've done nothing to defend it (while others have attacked it with compelling facts).

Yeah, that was a bit uncalled for on my part and I'd retract it if I could. It seemed to me at the time that Brady cared less about records. After all, this is the guy who could have had 4 opportunities to throw a TD pass from the 1 and keep his streak alive late in the 4th quarter a couple months ago, but instead handed off for a TD and saw his consecutive passing record snapped one short of Brees. After doing some of the research since last night, however, I think I've come to the conclusion that Brady is probably just as much as stat padder as Brees and Manning.

But, unfortunately I do have to disagree with your assertion that this is what people are calling me out on. People in here are actually making affirmative statements that Peyton Manning does not care about records and that everything is going down as pure happenstance. I'd say that this is beyond naive and bordering on disingenuousness. Yes, it hasn't been as noticeable as 2004. But you can bet your bottom dollar that he is both very aware of this record and very committed to reclaiming it. Everyone who is arguing otherwise in here is downright foolish. Heck, people are still making claims that he wasn't going for the record in 2004. Manning lovers are as blind as they get.

Dude, just stop. You aren't smart enough to make good points and you can't even get your facts straight. On 1st and goal from the Cin 1 with about 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter, the Pats attempted 1 rush and 2 passes. And didn't score a TD rushing or passing.

You've gotten caught up running your mouth without knowing what you are talking about and now you are trying to talk your way out of it despite all the stats/facts being stacked against you. It's painful to watch. Just sign out of this alias and forget the password.

 

[General Tso]

Yeah, that was a bit uncalled for on my part and I'd retract it if I could. It seemed to me at the time that Brady cared less about records. After all, this is the guy who could have had 4 opportunities to throw a TD pass from the 1 and keep his streak alive late in the 4th quarter a couple months ago, but instead handed off for a TD and saw his consecutive passing record snapped one short of Brees.

Wrong again, Merlin. Brady's streak came to an end in a game they lost 13-6 to the Bengals. A game where the Patriots failed to score a touchdown in any fashion. So, how did Brady selflessly allow his streak to die by handing off for a touchdown in a game where the Patriots didn't score a touchdown?

Oh sorry, 1st and goal at the 1 and he handed off to Blunt who got stuffed. The essence of the point remains. With 7 minutes left in a game they were losing, Brady ran the ball on 1st and goal from the 1.

I apologize for the inconsequential misstatement in my original post. I can see you are one of those people with limited intelligence to be able to see the forest through the trees and comprehend the nuances of this argument. Either that or you are an intolerable troll. Probably the latter.

 

[Ghost Rider]

And then threw on 2nd and 3rd down, as someone else already pointed out.

Don't get pissy just because you keep getting called out for getting your facts wrong.

 

[General Tso]

Yeah, that was a bit uncalled for on my part and I'd retract it if I could. It seemed to me at the time that Brady cared less about records. After all, this is the guy who could have had 4 opportunities to throw a TD pass from the 1 and keep his streak alive late in the 4th quarter a couple months ago, but instead handed off for a TD and saw his consecutive passing record snapped one short of Brees.

Wrong again, Merlin. Brady's streak came to an end in a game they lost 13-6 to the Bengals. A game where the Patriots failed to score a touchdown in any fashion. So, how did Brady selflessly allow his streak to die by handing off for a touchdown in a game where the Patriots didn't score a touchdown?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! He owned you!!!

{garbage truck passes by}

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

{and a double}

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

What, did they let the Middle School out early today?

You guys love to talk smack but I still haven't seen an intelligent response to my post this morning about Peyton's motivations in 2004, which are really at the center of the debate. Please, choildren, would love to hear your responses. Don't hurt yourself...

Here are the cold hard facts from his 2004 season. You tell me if he wasn't padding his stats....

Fact: The Colts had a grossly unbalanced scoring offense

Three teams in 2004 scored 50-plus offensive touchdowns: Indianapolis (59), Kansas City (56) and San Diego (50).

• Kansas City had 26 passing TDs and 30 rushing TDs

• San Diego had 27 passing TDs and 23 rushing TDs

• Indianapolis had 49 passing TDs and just 10 rushing TDs

That ratio is ridiculous, especially for a team that had the AFC's leading rusher, Edgerrin James, in the backfield. James had 333 carries for 1,550 yards this year and only has 9 rushing TDs. That is a TD for every 37.0 carries.

The accumulated totals for EVERY OTHER running back in the NFL that year were 11,609 carries and 345 touchdowns. That is a ratio of one TD every 33.6 carries. Think Edge was better than the league average?

During one six-game stretch - Weeks 7-12 - Manning had 27 touchdown passes. Over that same stretch, the Colts rushed for just one touchdown. From Week 7 to Week 12, James carried the ball 120 times for 639 yards and had just one rushing TD to show for it. What a joke.

Fact: One-third of Manning's touchdown passes were for 5 or less yards

Manning threw 49 TDs. Sixteen of them – 32.6 percent – were for 5 or less yards. While a lot of passing touchdowns are short tosses, 16 of them seems excessive. Comparing Indianapolis with Kansas City and San Diego, here are the touchdowns that the teams scored from 5 yards or less that year.

• Indianapolis – 16 passing TDs, 7 rushing TDs

• Kansas City – 4 passing TDs, 19 rushing TDs

• San Diego – 5 passing TDs, 14 rushing TDs

If Manning ran his offense in a manner remotely similar to some of the league's other elite offensive teams, Manning would have had about 10 fewer passing TDs.

To put it another way: Trent Green of Kansas City and Drew Brees of San Diego would have been closing in on the TD pass record themselves if they had led such an intentionally unbalanced offense.

Fact: Manning ran up scores

For the first part of the year Manning was doing fine. Over their first eight games the Colts won by an average of 11.8 points. Then Manning somehow got confused and thought he was in college again where margin of victory actually matters.

In Week 10 against Houston, with a 35-0 lead, he was still is throwing. He threw two late interceptions that gave Houston the field position they needed to score their only points. In fact, in the final quarter, with Indy sporting a 42-7 lead, Manning came out and attempted four straight passes before being intercepted. Final score: 49-14. Said Manning after the game: "We're the kind of offense that's score, score, score, attack, attack, attack."

The following week, playing a beat up Chicago team that had very little chance to score 20-plus points, Manning was still throwing midway through the third quarter with a more-than-comfortable 24-point lead.

The next week, versus Detroit, Manning reached a new low. Late in the third quarter, leading the Lions 34-9, Manning was still throwing the ball. With just over 2 minutes to go in the third, Manning hit Marvin Harrison from 5 yards for his sixth TD of the game. Manning didn't play in the fourth quarter, apparently feeling the 32-point, 41-9 lead would be sufficient.

Statius Whoreus

 

[Bamac]

reasonable minds can disagree (reasonably).

Damn my naive optimism.

 

[TheFanatic]

reasonable minds can disagree (reasonably).

Damn my naive optimism.

Not in this society!

 

[FUBAR]

For those accusing Peyton of running up the score - do you put any of this on the coach?

If I'm up 35-0 in the 4th quarter with (arguably) the most important player in the league, I'm benching him and seeing what his backup can do.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Yeah, let's face it: you don't get to be as good as guys like Brady, Manning or Brees without having a major competitive fire, and when you are that good, you want to be the best, and putting up monster numbers is a way to distinguish yourself from the others. The fact that all three of those guys can do so while still winning tons of games only adds to their legends. Contrast that to a guy like Matthew Stafford who has thrown 88 touchdown passes since the start of the '11 season, but is only 21-23 as a starter. And that is not meant as a criticism of Stafford so much as it is a compliment to the other three.

For some guys, a W is not a stat they care about. I'm not so sure Randy Moss cared if they won or lost. Hell, he might not have cared about whether he got 100 yards a game, particularly with Oakland. TO came across like that to me. Word has it Albert Pujols was always laughing it up if he had a good game, win or loss by the team.

These guys want to win first and foremost, and second, if they can be the passing TD leader, they will do that. Or the ironman, or the NFL passing yards leader, etc. Those guys eye those records hard. Sjax39 is clinging to the game, trying to get into the HOF. He adds a SB ring, and he just might make it...

Steven Jackson is not sniffing the HOF.

 

[Mile High]

Why do we even care if Manning is stat whore? They all do it. The pros aren't little league. If you don't like it stop it.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Yeah, let's face it: you don't get to be as good as guys like Brady, Manning or Brees without having a major competitive fire, and when you are that good, you want to be the best, and putting up monster numbers is a way to distinguish yourself from the others. The fact that all three of those guys can do so while still winning tons of games only adds to their legends. Contrast that to a guy like Matthew Stafford who has thrown 88 touchdown passes since the start of the '11 season, but is only 21-23 as a starter. And that is not meant as a criticism of Stafford so much as it is a compliment to the other three.

For some guys, a W is not a stat they care about. I'm not so sure Randy Moss cared if they won or lost. Hell, he might not have cared about whether he got 100 yards a game, particularly with Oakland. TO came across like that to me. Word has it Albert Pujols was always laughing it up if he had a good game, win or loss by the team.

These guys want to win first and foremost, and second, if they can be the passing TD leader, they will do that. Or the ironman, or the NFL passing yards leader, etc. Those guys eye those records hard. Sjax39 is clinging to the game, trying to get into the HOF. He adds a SB ring, and he just might make it...

Steven Jackson is not sniffing the HOF.

He has about the same chances as Scott Norwood.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Why do we even care if Manning is stat whore? They all do it. The pros aren't little league. If you don't like it stop it.

He's called a decent amount of runs this season from inside the 5... I honestly think his numbers could be inflated a little more if he really cared that much.

 

[Mile High]

Why do we even care if Manning is stat whore? They all do it. The pros aren't little league. If you don't like it stop it.

He's called a decent amount of runs this season from inside the 5... I honestly think his numbers could be inflated a little more if he really cared that much.

After 2 years of really following him imo the only stat he seems to really care about is the one in the win column. I do think he does care about setting personal records but then I think all pros do to some extent. I don't really care if they do, as long as they seem to care about winning first.

 

[purestrength]

Private Tso gets chippy when he's getting owned.

 

[ghostguy123]

This just in. ALL players would like to own records of achievement. All of them. Any player saying they don't care is lying, and just trying to not sound like a jerk (which is totally fine).

I am not saying Manning goes for records, cause I don't think he does. But even if he did, so F'ing what? Color me stupid, but wouldnt scoring TDs help your team win the game? Especally when your passing and redzone efficiencies are through the roof??

If his efficiency was down, and it would give them a better chance to score by running...........but he kept passing, then I would have an issue with that.

But with such high efficiency, the people calling him a stat chaser.................what are you saying?? You want him to call less efficient plays on purpose??

 

[General Tso]

Private Tso gets chippy when he's getting owned.

Oh God, now pureidiot is joining the peanut gallery. Just like the rest of the clown possie he comes here with nothing of any substance. Still waiting for GhostRider and FFNinja to respond to my 2004 post. Like their names, they have disappeared into thin air LOL.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Private Tso gets chippy when he's getting owned.

Oh God, now pureidiot is joining the peanut gallery. Just like the rest of the clown possie he comes here with nothing of any substance. Still waiting for GhostRider and FFNinja to respond to my 2004 post. Like their names, they have disappeared into thin air LOL.

If I said something to make you angry, what would you change my name to?

 

[jonmhend]

Fact: The Colts had a grossly unbalanced scoring offense

Three teams in 2004 scored 50-plus offensive touchdowns: Indianapolis (59), Kansas City (56) and San Diego (50).

• Kansas City had 26 passing TDs and 30 rushing TDs

• San Diego had 27 passing TDs and 23 rushing TDs

• Indianapolis had 49 passing TDs and just 10 rushing TDs

You're comparing the 04 Colts passing heavy offense to a team with LT in his prime and one with both Priest and Larry Holmes. Both who had great run-blocking O-Lines. The Colts never had a good run-blocking o-line. Bit of apples to oranges.

Fact: Manning ran up scores

For the first part of the year Manning was doing fine. Over their first eight games the Colts won by an average of 11.8 points. Then Manning somehow got confused and thought he was in college again where margin of victory actually matters.

In Week 10 against Houston, with a 35-0 lead, he was still is throwing. He threw two late interceptions that gave Houston the field position they needed to score their only points. In fact, in the final quarter, with Indy sporting a 42-7 lead, Manning came out and attempted four straight passes before being intercepted. Final score: 49-14. Said Manning after the game: "We're the kind of offense that's score, score, score, attack, attack, attack."

The following week, playing a beat up Chicago team that had very little chance to score 20-plus points, Manning was still throwing midway through the third quarter with a more-than-comfortable 24-point lead.

The next week, versus Detroit, Manning reached a new low. Late in the third quarter, leading the Lions 34-9, Manning was still throwing the ball. With just over 2 minutes to go in the third, Manning hit Marvin Harrison from 5 yards for his sixth TD of the game. Manning didn't play in the fourth quarter, apparently feeling the 32-point, 41-9 lead would be sufficient.

I agree with you about the Houston game. He was throwing in the 4th while up big (my definition is 17+ in the 4th). The Chicago and Detroit games were both in the 3rd Qtr. I don't put any blame on them when he was running their offense the way it was designed to be run. You may not agree with that. I'll just have to trust that you made a similar argument that Brady was at least as bad or worse. By my definition (17+ in the 4th) Manning did it 2x and Brady did it 3. Most Pats fans that season said that this was the NFL and if you thought they were running it up, then stop them. I trust you weren't in that camp.

 

[General Tso]

Private Tso gets chippy when he's getting owned.

Oh God, now pureidiot is joining the peanut gallery. Just like the rest of the clown possie he comes here with nothing of any substance. Still waiting for GhostRider and FFNinja to respond to my 2004 post. Like their names, they have disappeared into thin air LOL.

If I said something to make you angry, what would you change my name to?

MovetoAnotherMessageBoard. Since you asked.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Private Tso gets chippy when he's getting owned.

Oh God, now pureidiot is joining the peanut gallery. Just like the rest of the clown possie he comes here with nothing of any substance. Still waiting for GhostRider and FFNinja to respond to my 2004 post. Like their names, they have disappeared into thin air LOL.

If I said something to make you angry, what would you change my name to?

MovetoAnotherMessageBoard. Since you asked.

thats great

 

[Ghost Rider]

Did you guys see Russell Wilson say in the interview a bit ago that he'd like to be like Drew Brees some day, in the sense of having won a Super Bowl and owning a bunch of passing records.

What a stat whore.

 

[pizzatyme]

Did you guys see Russell Wilson say in the interview a bit ago that he'd like to be like Drew Brees some day, in the sense of having won a Super Bowl and owning a bunch of passing records.

What a stat whore.

I just thought he meant he wanted to be taller.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Did you guys see Russell Wilson say in the interview a bit ago that he'd like to be like Drew Brees some day, in the sense of having won a Super Bowl and owning a bunch of passing records.

What a stat whore.

I just thought he meant he wanted to be taller.

Nope, he specifically mentioned wanting passing records. Because he is a stat whore. Remember a few weeks ago when people were #####ing because Seattle wouldn't give Lynch the ball at the 1, because people thought the coaching staff was punishing him for allegedly giving the coaches the middle finger the week before? Nope. That was Wilson calling his own play in the huddle so he could pad his TD total because he is a stat whore. Try and keep up, man.

 

[jurb26]

They are all stat whores.

 

[Mile High]

This just in. ALL players would like to own records of achievement. All of them. Any player saying they don't care is lying, and just trying to not sound like a jerk (which is totally fine).

I am not saying Manning goes for records, cause I don't think he does. But even if he did, so F'ing what? Color me stupid, but wouldnt scoring TDs help your team win the game? Especally when your passing and redzone efficiencies are through the roof??

If his efficiency was down, and it would give them a better chance to score by running...........but he kept passing, then I would have an issue with that.

But with such high efficiency, the people calling him a stat chaser.................what are you saying?? You want him to call less efficient plays on purpose??

Yeah I'm not getting the whole stat chasing complaining. Who cares? Only ones who matter are his team mates and have any of them come out #####ing about it? Here in Denver his team mates seem to respect him and will follow where he leads.

 

[Bamac]

They are all stat whores.

It's really disgusting. The only guy I don't blame is Dez. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that his mom was a stat whore. When you grow up in that environment, what choice do you have?