Will Peyton Manning's reputation suffer (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

I think it goes without saying, barring some unforeseen injury, that by the time he retires, Peyton Manning will have many significant QB records. He will have a strong case for being the best QB ever, at that point (although what Tom Brady does the rest of his career will impact that).

However, if he never wins another Super Bowl, he will not be a multiple title winner like other guys often mentioned in the best ever discussion (Brady, Montana, Elway, Unitas, etc.), and not only that, he will have less titles than at least two other QBs from his generation (Brady and the winning QB of tomorrow's game).

Yes, football is a team sport, but perception means a lot, and many will also remember that, despite being the MVP of Super Bowl XLI, he really didn't play that well for the majority of Indy's playoff run (or at least his numbers don't look good, and that is what many will focus on). He does, however, have that awesome 2nd half comeback against the Patriots as a major feather in his cap.

So if this happens...if Manning never wins another Super Bowl, will it hurt his status when discussing his status among the all-time greats, and if so, how much?

 

[comfortably numb]

I think it goes without saying, barring some unforeseen injury, that by the time he retires, Peyton Manning will have many significant QB records. He will have a strong case for being the best QB ever, at that point (although what Tom Brady does the rest of his career will impact that). However, if he never wins another Super Bowl, he will not be a multiple title winner like other guys often mentioned in the best ever discussion (Brady, Montana, Elway, Unitas, etc.), and not only that, he will have less titles than at least two other QBs from his generation (Brady and the winning QB of tomorrow's game). Yes, football is a team sport, but perception means a lot, and many will also remember that, despite being the MVP of Super Bowl XLI, he really didn't play that well for the majority of Indy's playoff run (or at least his numbers don't look good, and that is what many will focus on). He does, however, have that awesome 2nd half comeback against the Patriots as a major feather in his cap. So if this happens...if Manning never wins another Super Bowl, will it hurt his status when discussing his status among the all-time greats, and if so, how much?

Has it hurt Favres?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Has it hurt Favres?

Favre's rep has been hurt more by his sometimes erratic play over the second half of his career, not to mention some really bad playoff performances. Although it could happen, I don't see Manning ever becoming a turnover machine like Favre has been over the last few years. Manning is a lot more careful with the ball than he was his first couple years, while Favre has gotten more careless with it over time.

 

[comfortably numb]

Has it hurt Favres?

Favre's rep has been hurt more by his sometimes erratic play over the second half of his career, not to mention some really bad playoff performances. Although it could happen, I don't see Manning ever becoming a turnover machine like Favre has been over the last few years. Manning is a lot more careful with the ball than he was his first couple years, while Favre has gotten more careless with it over time.

I always thought Favre was careless with the ball, no?Either way, I think Favre is the prime example for your question. Won a Superbowl in the prime of his career, and 10+ years later he has been unable to acquire another ring, yet he is still considered one of the GOAT.I think the same will be said for Manning if he never wins another ring.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Marino and Young have 1 ring combined, and their reputations are outstanding. There' isn't a single QB without flaws or detractors, including Manning. Having another ring or two would make him look better, but it's a difference in degree not in kind.

 

[Jerry Lawler]

Retiring with 1 championship would probably mean that when people have the "Greatest QB" discussion, Manning would be considered a contender, but probably not the #1 choice for many people. Guys like Elway, Montana, and Brady will probably get more support due to multiple championships. It's a subtle distinction though, and one that's wouldn't even necessarily be meaningful to a retired player.

 

[H.K.]

Marino and Young have 1 ring combined, and their reputations are outstanding. There' isn't a single QB without flaws or detractors, including Manning. Having another ring or two would make him look better, but it's a difference in degree not in kind.

xYoung has a ring.

Marino has a losing playoff record.

Huge difference.

Never mention Marino in the company of champions.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Marino and Young have 1 ring combined, and their reputations are outstanding. There' isn't a single QB without flaws or detractors, including Manning. Having another ring or two would make him look better, but it's a difference in degree not in kind.

xYoung has a ring.

Marino has a losing playoff record.

Huge difference.

Never mention Marino in the company of champions.

As a Baltimore Colts fan and Indy fan, I've always hated the Dolphins, but Marino will always be thought of as a better QB than Young by the majority of folks.

 

[Uber]

I think so, especially considering how badly he has performed in the playoffs vs. the regular season over his career.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

After he wins 2 there will be those that ask the same question until he wins 3. Some of you kill me.

 

[H.K.]

Marino and Young have 1 ring combined, and their reputations are outstanding. There' isn't a single QB without flaws or detractors, including Manning. Having another ring or two would make him look better, but it's a difference in degree not in kind.

xYoung has a ring.

Marino has a losing playoff record.

Huge difference.

Never mention Marino in the company of champions.

As a Baltimore Colts fan and Indy fan, I've always hated the Dolphins, but Marino will always be thought of as a better QB than Young by the majority of folks.

HOF coaches disagree with fans on this one. Young played the game on a whole different level with regards to his mobility, intelligence, and ability to perform in crunch time. Regular season stats don't mean jack to coaches, but playoff wins do.

 

[Raider Nation]

We're gonna see what he's made of in the last ten minutes here.

 

[Go deep]

We're gonna see what he's made of in the last ten minutes here.

No matter what happens here, there isnt another QB i would rather have in this situation.

 

[Raider Nation]

We're gonna see what he's made of in the last ten minutes here.

No matter what happens here, there isnt another QB i would rather have in this situation.

Yeah, I'll take Brady.

 

[Go deep]

We're gonna see what he's made of in the last ten minutes here.

No matter what happens here, there isnt another QB i would rather have in this situation.

Yeah, I'll take Brady.

With everything else being equal, Manning easily. Now if i get that players team/coach, you may have a point.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

We're gonna see what he's made of in the last ten minutes here.

No matter what happens here, there isnt another QB i would rather have in this situation.

Yeah, I'll take Brady.

With everything else being equal, Manning easily. Now if i get that players team/coach, you may have a point.

Watching manning is fascinating. Dude is a legend.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

We're gonna see what he's made of in the last ten minutes here.

No matter what happens here, there isnt another QB i would rather have in this situation.

Yeah, I'll take Brady.

With everything else being equal, Manning easily. Now if i get that players team/coach, you may have a point.

Oh stop it. Brady has done far more with far less, and it's not even close. Manning is probably the greatest technician in the history of the game, but trailing with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter of a playoff game there's not a GM in the universe that would take Manning over Brady.

 

[Raider Nation]

We're gonna see what he's made of in the last ten minutes here.

No matter what happens here, there isnt another QB i would rather have in this situation.

Yeah, I'll take Brady.

With everything else being equal, Manning easily. Now if i get that players team/coach, you may have a point.

Watching manning is fascinating. Dude is a legend.

Yet they run it on 3rd & 7 in the red zone. Puzzling.

 

[Go deep]

We're gonna see what he's made of in the last ten minutes here.

No matter what happens here, there isnt another QB i would rather have in this situation.

Yeah, I'll take Brady.

With everything else being equal, Manning easily. Now if i get that players team/coach, you may have a point.

Oh stop it. Brady has done far more with far less, and it's not even close. Manning is probably the greatest technician in the history of the game, but trailing with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter of a playoff game there's not a GM in the universe that would take Manning over Brady.

I love it when people make things up and exagerate to make their opinion sound better. Listen, its your opinion that Brady is better and mine that Manning is, but lets cut out all of the "every GM ever in the whole entire universe since the begining of time" nonsense.

 

[Raider Nation]

He's gonna escape this one. Ten more yards and Vinatieri has a shot.

 

[Go deep]

He's gonna escape this one. Ten more yards and Vinatieri has a shot.

Thats what the greats do, the guy is money in the bank.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I love it when people make things up and exagerate to make their opinion sound better. Listen, its your opinion that Brady is better and mine that Manning is, but lets cut out all of the "every GM ever in the whole entire universe since the begining of time" nonsense.

Sorry, I didn't realize you hate facts.

 

[Go deep]

I love it when people make things up and exagerate to make their opinion sound better. Listen, its your opinion that Brady is better and mine that Manning is, but lets cut out all of the "every GM ever in the whole entire universe since the begining of time" nonsense.

Sorry, I didn't realize you hate facts.

Im not sure you have a solid grasp on the meaning of the word "fact".

 

[Cripster]

Not in my mind. In many years, especially 2010 with the injuries, Manning carried the Colts. Guys top drawer.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I love it when people make things up and exagerate to make their opinion sound better. Listen, its your opinion that Brady is better and mine that Manning is, but lets cut out all of the "every GM ever in the whole entire universe since the begining of time" nonsense.

Sorry, I didn't realize you hate facts.

Im not sure you have a solid grasp on the meaning of the word "fact".

Manning = Winner.

 

[Go deep]

Here is yet another game Manning deserved to win that his team cost him, if Manning played for the Patriots, he would have 7-8 SB's right now. This is my opinion, and in no way should be confused for a fact, but i do feel it to be as close to a fact as an opnion could be.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I love it when people make things up and exagerate to make their opinion sound better. Listen, its your opinion that Brady is better and mine that Manning is, but lets cut out all of the "every GM ever in the whole entire universe since the begining of time" nonsense.

Sorry, I didn't realize you hate facts.

Im not sure you have a solid grasp on the meaning of the word "fact".

Manning = Winner.

Eh, Manning played pretty well. Not in his 5 worst playoff performances.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Here is yet another game Manning deserved to win that his team cost him, if Manning played for the Patriots, he would have 7-8 SB's right now. This is my opinion, and in no way should be confused for a fact, but i do feel it to be as close to a fact as an opnion could be.

My problem with this is that it suggests he would not have won nine or more. I think a more realistic statement would be 7-18 superbowls.

 

[The Comedian]

Here is yet another game Manning deserved to win that his team cost him, if Manning played for the Patriots, he would have 7-8 SB's right now. This is my opinion, and in no way should be confused for a fact, but i do feel it to be as close to a fact as an opnion could be.

lol

 

[Go deep]

I love it when people make things up and exagerate to make their opinion sound better. Listen, its your opinion that Brady is better and mine that Manning is, but lets cut out all of the "every GM ever in the whole entire universe since the begining of time" nonsense.

Sorry, I didn't realize you hate facts.

Im not sure you have a solid grasp on the meaning of the word "fact".

Manning = Winner.

That would be a fact if you are refering to an individual accomplishment that he did indeed win. But as a general term, it is only opinion.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I was wrong.

 

[Go deep]

Here is yet another game Manning deserved to win that his team cost him, if Manning played for the Patriots, he would have 7-8 SB's right now. This is my opinion, and in no way should be confused for a fact, but i do feel it to be as close to a fact as an opnion could be.

My problem with this is that it suggests he would not have won nine or more. I think a more realistic statement would be 7-18 superbowls.

My problem with this is that Manning has only played 13 seasons.

 

[Jason Wood]

I think Manning having a losing record in the postseason certainly will reflect on his place among the all-time greats. While I agree with Chase that Manning will still be remembered as an all-time great and an unassailable Hall of Famer, I definitely don't see how 1 SB and a losing playoff record can put him in the Montana/Brady category, but more in the Marino/Fouts camp. AWESOME QB to be sure, but needs more bling (and a winning playoff record) to earn the rep he seems like he's statistically charting for himself.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Here is yet another game Manning deserved to win that his team cost him, if Manning played for the Patriots, he would have 7-8 SB's right now. This is my opinion, and in no way should be confused for a fact, but i do feel it to be as close to a fact as an opnion could be.

My problem with this is that it suggests he would not have won nine or more. I think a more realistic statement would be 7-18 superbowls.

My problem with this is that Manning has only played 13 seasons.

Manning definitely would have won 0-13 Super Bowls with the Patriots.

 

[bostonfred]

It will if he continues to be mediocre in the playoffs. Look at this week - Vinatieri annd the defense carried Manning in this game, not the other way around. The story was always that Manning would have been able to win if he could have had a guy like Vinatieri nailing clutch field goals with less than a minute left, or if their defense could have held their opponents in the teens. Well, they did their jobs. Vinatieri was huge. The defense got him a touchdown. Garcon made an incredible catch and run for the only offensive TD of the game. But when push came to shove, Manning couldn't convert for a TD, then, after a defensive hold, he couldn't get Vinatieri closer than a 50 yard attempt.

People will point to the Colts' injuries or lack of talent, but that wasn't the story of this game at all. The defense held the Jets to 17 points. Wayne's a pro bowler, Garcon had a monster game, Addai ran for 4.6 YPC, and Vinatieri was a minute away from being the player of the game. This was another failure by Manning.

I give him a ton of credit for getting them to the playoffs. He had another good regular season. But he's just not a dominant playoff QB. He had home field, decent performances from his defense and special teams, and the Colts went one and done again. He's now below .500 in the postseason (9-10), and he's had a few miserable performances in those 9 wins, too. For better or worse, this is his legacy, and he took another step backwards tonight.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Here is yet another game Manning deserved to win that his team cost him, if Manning played for the Patriots, he would have 7-8 SB's right now. This is my opinion, and in no way should be confused for a fact, but i do feel it to be as close to a fact as an opnion could be.

My problem with this is that it suggests he would not have won nine or more. I think a more realistic statement would be 7-18 superbowls.

My problem with this is that Manning has only played 13 seasons.

 

[Go deep]

Manning is clearly he better QB, Brady has just won more SB's, and that was all because of coaching.

At least we agree on this.

 

[Premier]

I think Manning having a losing record in the postseason certainly will reflect on his place among the all-time greats. While I agree with Chase that Manning will still be remembered as an all-time great and an unassailable Hall of Famer, I definitely don't see how 1 SB and a losing playoff record can put him in the Montana/Brady category, but more in the Marino/Fouts camp. AWESOME QB to be sure, but needs more bling (and a winning playoff record) to earn the rep he seems like he's statistically charting for himself.

How could you possibly put him in the Marino/Fouts camp when Peyton won a Super Bowl?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

his reputation is a choker in money games --- doesn't look like it's suffering any.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Manning is clearly he better QB, Brady has just won more SB's, and that was all because of coaching.

At least we agree on this.

manning throws more picks in a game than brady throws in a season

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Manning is clearly he better QB, Brady has just won more SB's, and that was all because of coaching.

At least we agree on this.

I guess when you consider all those Super Bowls Belichick won in Cleveland, this is pretty indisputable. Not sure why you're having so much trouble with this. Manning is one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game. And if there's five minutes left in the fourth quarter of a playoff game, everyone would rather have Brady. I'm neither a Pats fan nor a Colts hater, that's just obvious.

 

[Go deep]

I think Manning having a losing record in the postseason certainly will reflect on his place among the all-time greats. While I agree with Chase that Manning will still be remembered as an all-time great and an unassailable Hall of Famer, I definitely don't see how 1 SB and a losing playoff record can put him in the Montana/Brady category, but more in the Marino/Fouts camp. AWESOME QB to be sure, but needs more bling (and a winning playoff record) to earn the rep he seems like he's statistically charting for himself.

How could you possibly put him in the Marino/Fouts camp when Peyton won a Super Bowl?

Doesnt matter, none of those guys are as good as Bradshaw, he is easily the best QB ever, he won 4 SB's.

 

[Go deep]

Manning is clearly he better QB, Brady has just won more SB's, and that was all because of coaching.

At least we agree on this.

I guess when you consider all those Super Bowls Belichick won in Cleveland, this is pretty indisputable. Not sure why you're having so much trouble with this. Manning is one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game. And if there's five minutes left in the fourth quarter of a playoff game, everyone would rather have Brady. I'm neither a Pats fan nor a Colts hater, that's just obvious.

Im not sure why you are still having a hard time with fact and opnion. I am part of everyone, and i would rather have Mannng than Brady. I wouldnt mind Brady, but i would clearly take Manning.

 

[bostonfred]

Here is yet another game Manning deserved to win that his team cost him, if Manning played for the Patriots, he would have 7-8 SB's right now. This is my opinion, and in no way should be confused for a fact, but i do feel it to be as close to a fact as an opnion could be.

For all intents and purposes, he did play for the Patriots tonight. The Colts held the Jets to 17 points. Vinatieri hit a 50 yard field goal and a 47 yarder. Garcon had a catch and run for a long TD. That's about as good a setup as you can ask for as a QB. What did Manning do to deserve a win tonight? The rest of the Colts deserved to win. They played well. Manning had 225 yards and a TD, and Garcon contributed half of those yards and the only TD with his excellent play. What exactly did Manning do to "deserve" this win?

 

[Jason Wood]

I think Manning having a losing record in the postseason certainly will reflect on his place among the all-time greats. While I agree with Chase that Manning will still be remembered as an all-time great and an unassailable Hall of Famer, I definitely don't see how 1 SB and a losing playoff record can put him in the Montana/Brady category, but more in the Marino/Fouts camp. AWESOME QB to be sure, but needs more bling (and a winning playoff record) to earn the rep he seems like he's statistically charting for himself.

How could you possibly put him in the Marino/Fouts camp when Peyton won a Super Bowl?

I just meant that Marino is still thrown out there as some as the best ever, or one of the best, but many will never give him that moniker because of his playoff failings. I personally would rank Manning ahead of Marino and Fouts, but remember this is an era of the passer where we're also going to have to slot Brady and Favre into that conversation. Brady is 14-4 (and counting) with 3 rings in 4 tries, Favre is 13-11 with 1 ring in 2 tries. It matters.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

We're gonna see what he's made of in the last ten minutes here.

No matter what happens here, there isnt another QB i would rather have in this situation.

Yeah, I'll take Brady.

With everything else being equal, Manning easily. Now if i get that players team/coach, you may have a point.

Give us all a break. Manning has had the far superior offensive talent compared to Brady for the majority of their careers.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Manning is clearly he better QB, Brady has just won more SB's, and that was all because of coaching.

At least we agree on this.

I guess when you consider all those Super Bowls Belichick won in Cleveland, this is pretty indisputable. Not sure why you're having so much trouble with this. Manning is one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game. And if there's five minutes left in the fourth quarter of a playoff game, everyone would rather have Brady. I'm neither a Pats fan nor a Colts hater, that's just obvious.

Im not sure why you are still having a hard time with fact and opnion. I am part of everyone, and i would rather have Mannng than Brady. I wouldnt mind Brady, but i would clearly take Manning.

Sure, but your opinion doesn't count. QEDBut we can renew this after Manning and Brady play next week.

 

[Go deep]

Manning is clearly he better QB, Brady has just won more SB's, and that was all because of coaching.

At least we agree on this.

I guess when you consider all those Super Bowls Belichick won in Cleveland, this is pretty indisputable. Not sure why you're having so much trouble with this. Manning is one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game. And if there's five minutes left in the fourth quarter of a playoff game, everyone would rather have Brady. I'm neither a Pats fan nor a Colts hater, that's just obvious.

Im not sure why you are still having a hard time with fact and opnion. I am part of everyone, and i would rather have Mannng than Brady. I wouldnt mind Brady, but i would clearly take Manning.

Sure, but your opinion doesn't count. QEDBut we can renew this after Manning and Brady play next week.

Wow, you know less about facts than i thought.

 

[Fensalk]

Reputation is such a fickle thing. Who can predict it?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Manning is clearly he better QB, Brady has just won more SB's, and that was all because of coaching.

At least we agree on this.

I guess when you consider all those Super Bowls Belichick won in Cleveland, this is pretty indisputable. Not sure why you're having so much trouble with this. Manning is one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game. And if there's five minutes left in the fourth quarter of a playoff game, everyone would rather have Brady. I'm neither a Pats fan nor a Colts hater, that's just obvious.

Im not sure why you are still having a hard time with fact and opnion. I am part of everyone, and i would rather have Mannng than Brady. I wouldnt mind Brady, but i would clearly take Manning.

Sure, but your opinion doesn't count. QEDBut we can renew this after Manning and Brady play next week.

dude, that's just mean.