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Will Smith shot and killed. (1 Viewer)

My god, that's awful. What a tragedy, for him, his family. I shed tears. And our City our beautiful cursed city. I'll be going to church today near where he was murdered I'll be saying a prayer for him and all of us. God Bless New Orleans. 

 
He was a good guy; RIP.  

WTF is with the guy shooting him then staying on the scene?  

 
Some people shouldn't have guns, the problem is we will never know which people are stable enough to own them and which are not. And no I'm not an anti-gun or pro gun guy.

 
I have gotten a little road rage in the past, but could never imagine the level you have to be at to shoot and kill someone over any traffic nonsense. 

 
Cardell Hayes charged with 2nd degree murder... Looking at his mugshots and other pictures, he was a monster himself - looks like 6'6 350... Guess he just didn't want a piece of another dude big like him, what a ####### #####, hopefully he gets life.

looks big enough to defend himself without a gun, ####### scumbag. His user handle is "big boy" https://myspace.com/bigboy6102/photos

 
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Oh, Christ.  I loved that guy on the Saints.  One of my favorite players.  Have a game day Jersey and everything.  That sucks.

 
Have we all gone off the deep end, or has this just always been a problem, but we're just hearing more about it? My prayers go out to his family.

 
According to this article, Smith had very recently had dinner with one of the cops named in the suit over the shooting death of the father of Smith's alleged shooter :unsure:

"Hayes also was involved in a high-profile lawsuit against the city of New Orleans for killing his father in a December 2005 shooting, Hayes' ex-attorney confirmed to the New Orleans Advocate on Sunday. That case was settled out of court in 2011 for an undisclosed amount, according to the attorney.

In a bizarre twist, one of the defendants mentioned in that lawsuit — retired police officer Billy Ceravolo, who was accused by Hayes of shooting his father — had been dining with Smith and former Saints player Pierre Thomas shortly prior to Smith's death. Ceravolo told the Advocate he considered Smith and Thomas personal friends but that he was not at the scene of the shooting."

If true, seems unlikely that is just a freaky coincidence, no? I mean, what are the chances you accidently rear-end someone who (turns out) associates with the guy you think killed your father and it escalates into you killing him?  :oldunsure:

 
whiskey7 said:
According to this article, Smith had very recently had dinner with one of the cops named in the suit over the shooting death of the father of Smith's alleged shooter :unsure:

"Hayes also was involved in a high-profile lawsuit against the city of New Orleans for killing his father in a December 2005 shooting, Hayes' ex-attorney confirmed to the New Orleans Advocate on Sunday. That case was settled out of court in 2011 for an undisclosed amount, according to the attorney.

In a bizarre twist, one of the defendants mentioned in that lawsuit — retired police officer Billy Ceravolo, who was accused by Hayes of shooting his father — had been dining with Smith and former Saints player Pierre Thomas shortly prior to Smith's death. Ceravolo told the Advocate he considered Smith and Thomas personal friends but that he was not at the scene of the shooting."

If true, seems unlikely that is just a freaky coincidence, no? I mean, what are the chances you accidently rear-end someone who (turns out) associates with the guy you think killed your father and it escalates into you killing him?  :oldunsure:
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I've heard of weirder coincidences, but if a link is established and proven, that would likely result in Murder 1 charges, I'd think.

 
 


Settlement reached in deadly shooting by NOPD - Knife-wielding man killed on St. Charles


The New Orleans Police Department has agreed to settle federal lawsuits brought by the children of a man killed by police on St. Charles Avenue several months after Hurricane Katrina.

The settlement amount was not disclosed in court filings on Monday. City spokesman Ryan Berni said in an email that city officials are "finalizing the details" and cannot reveal the amount.

Anthony Hayes, 38, was shot by police in December 2005 after he waved a knife as he was almost surrounded by officers at the intersection of St. Charles Avenue and Felicity Street. Hayes had a history of mental illness, family members said.

Hayes' shooting was one of two incidents involving New Orleans police in the months after Hurricane Katrina to capture national interest as the city remained largely deserted after the storm. Parts of both incidents were captured on video.

At the time, critics of the NOPD acknowledged that Hayes had a knife that he used to threaten an officer, but they questioned whether police could have used less lethal force to apprehend him. In the lawsuit, Hayes' children accused police of using excessive force and shooting Hayes at least nine times.

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In filings for the NOPD about the Hayes civil case, city attorneys wrote that then-Sgts. Jeffrey Hochman and Jeffrey Walls, as well as officer Gary Kessel, shot Hayes after seeing him charge with his knife at Lt. William Ceravolo, who had repeatedly asked him to put down his weapon. Officers used pepper spray against Hayes, which did not work, attorneys wrote.

Before the incident with police, Hayes got into an argument with a drugstore employee. After he left the store, carrying a knife in his hand, an off-duty St. Bernard Parish sheriff's deputy flagged down an NOPD officer.

"This gentleman had bunches of chances to quit, to stop, to surrender, to give up, to comply," former Deputy City Attorney Franz Zibilich said during a hearing about the case.

In that same hearing, Ike Spears, an attorney for Hayes' son, countered that civilian witnesses said Hayes consistently backed up instead of lunging at the officers, saying police escalated the situation and should have backed off instead of closing in on the man.
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- 9/27/11 NO Picayune

 
Kal El said:
I've heard of weirder coincidences, but if a link is established and proven, that would likely result in Murder 1 charges, I'd think.
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Agreed. I wont pretend to know what was going through his head, but its possible he thought he could avoid Murder 1 if he could sell it as an accident/road-rage that went too far and he was somehow afraid for his life or something. That would be a tough sell (given the details I have read) but I suppose (if you make your mind up you're going to kill someone) its certainly worth a shot to see if you can at least make it look like it was not pre-meditated to somehow get a lesser charge.

Odd to me that he stayed at the scene and talked to the cops. That would obviously suggest he is not going to hide from the fact that he did it but rather try to paint it as some kind of justified act. Or, maybe he just wants everyone (especially,  Ceravolo) to know it was him who killed Smith. Maybe (in his mind) the way you get back at someone (you believe took someone important to you) is not to kill them but to take someone important to them and let them live every day with the sadness/guilt/etc? I don't know. Ugly story any way you slice it.

 
whiskey7 said:
According to this article, Smith had very recently had dinner with one of the cops named in the suit over the shooting death of the father of Smith's alleged shooter :unsure:

"Hayes also was involved in a high-profile lawsuit against the city of New Orleans for killing his father in a December 2005 shooting, Hayes' ex-attorney confirmed to the New Orleans Advocate on Sunday. That case was settled out of court in 2011 for an undisclosed amount, according to the attorney.

In a bizarre twist, one of the defendants mentioned in that lawsuit — retired police officer Billy Ceravolo, who was accused by Hayes of shooting his father — had been dining with Smith and former Saints player Pierre Thomas shortly prior to Smith's death. Ceravolo told the Advocate he considered Smith and Thomas personal friends but that he was not at the scene of the shooting."

If true, seems unlikely that is just a freaky coincidence, no? I mean, what are the chances you accidently rear-end someone who (turns out) associates with the guy you think killed your father and it escalates into you killing him?  :oldunsure:
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I heard rumblings that it may not have been as simple as a road rage incident pretty quickly after the news broke. I get the feeling that there is going to be more to this story when it gets all flushed out.

For whatever reason, it is sad to lose a guy like Will Smith. Seemed like one of the good guys. :(

 
bananafish said:
Sure seems like there's way too many coincidental connections between the two for it to simply be random road rage, especially when the shooter caused the accident in the first place.
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I agree.  And the fact he stayed at the scene, doesn't seem like your typical shooter who flees the scene.  

Sad situation, but there seems to be more that is missing. 

 
bananafish said:
He may claim this but he shot Mr. Smith in the back.
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Apparently (heard this on the radio, no idea if true at all) Smith said that he had a gun (prior to him pulling his and shooting).  Maybe this POS shooter thought he was going to his vehicle to get it?

 
followed him for a block and a half after the "accident" until the scene of the shooting

 
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matttyl said:
Apparently (heard this on the radio, no idea if true at all) Smith said that he had a gun (prior to him pulling his and shooting).  Maybe this POS shooter thought he was going to his vehicle to get it?
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or the cop defense

"he implied that he had a weapon and i thought he was going for it so i shot him to save myself"

 
The surveillance video appears to show a Mercedes SUV bump a Hummer at 11:21 p.m. As the Hummer begins to pull over to the side of the road, the Mercedes veers into the opposite lane before driving away.
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Really, Will?

 
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