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Will the Raiders move to LA (& what's up with Mark Davis' (1 Viewer)

S.A. may be home of Los RaidersSAN ANTONIO — Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis and two top lieutenants met recently with several San Antonio officials to discuss the potential of moving his NFL team from the Bay Area to the Alamo City, local leaders involved in the talks confirmed Tuesday.

On the weekend of July 18, Davis met with the officials, including Henry Cisneros, then-Mayor Julián Castro, City Manager Sheryl Sculley, Mario Hernandez of the San Antonio Economic Development Foundation, and both Richard Perez and David McGee, the president and chairman of the San Antonio Chamber of Commerce, respectively.


Late Tuesday, after the Express-News published a version of this story on its websites, Sculley issued a memo to the City Council.

“I was asked to meet two weeks ago with the owner of the Oakland Raiders, Mark Davis, and members of his staff. Mr. Davis has expressed interest in a possible relocation of his NFL team to San Antonio and we are engaged in preliminary due diligence,” she wrote. “The agenda for this visit included a tour of the Alamodome and meetings with local business leaders.”

Sculley wrote that those discussions were preliminary and confidential and that she would update the council as things progressed.

San Antonio has often been used as a bargaining chip for pro sports franchises trying to negotiate better deals in their own respective cities, but sources have characterized Davis' interest in San Antonio to be at least somewhat more serious. He is clearly perturbed with his current situation in Oakland, where the team's lease expires after the 2014-15 season.

Cisneros, who led the charge to build the Alamodome when he was mayor, has been described by sources as the architect of the meeting. His son-in-law, Brad Badger, is in corporate sponsorship sales for the Raiders.

When reached by the San Antonio Express-News, he tempered the significance of the meetings. Cisneros said that over the years, he'd become friends with Davis, who was already coming to San Antonio for an event. Cisneros said he wanted to take the opportunity to make a pitch to Davis in case he decides to relocate the team.

“So we spent the weekend and took advantage of the opportunity to show him San Antonio in the event if it ever became necessary to consider a site other than Oakland,” Cisneros said. “We know they have lease issues with Alameda County, so it was a good opportunity to show him facilities in San Antonio as well as have him meet key leaders in San Antonio.”

Davis and his associates spent two or three days here, visiting the Alamodome and other places, sources familiar with the talks said. They also took an aerial tour of the city in a helicopter, arranged by developer Marty Wender.

With some upgrades, the Alamodome could be ready for a 2015-16 NFL season, though it would be a temporary home at best. NFL teams likely would need 100 suites, and the Alamodome currently has 52. It physically could facilitate the addition of 48 more, but funding has yet to be earmarked by the city for such upgrades.

If the Raiders moved here, though, Davis is expected to seek a new stadium within a few years, after the team had proved itself in the Alamo City.

Davis told San Antonio civic and business leaders he isn't seeking a “Jerry Jones-type facility” and prefers “a small, intimate” stadium that he can place “a statue of his father in front of,” a source said. But even if San Antonio ponies up an enticing deal and Davis ultimately decides to relocate here, the two sides would still face an uphill battle. San Antonio only ranks in the mid-30s in the nation's top television markets and NFL owners — including the Dallas Cowboys and the Houston Texans — would have to vote on the deal. And whether the NFL would allow the team to leave the sixth largest media market for the 36th remains unclear.

Any team desiring to relocate would need the blessing of 24 of the league's 32 owners. Greg Aiello, the NFL's senior vice president of communications, had little to say on a potential Raiders relocation.

“We don't have any information about (Davis' meeting in San Antonio), so there is no reason for us to comment,” he said Tuesday. “We have received no applications from any of our teams to relocate at this point, so there is nothing for us to respond to.”

Though San Antonio ranks 36th in the country's top television markets, the Raiders have a significant Hispanic fan base and Davis apparently believes his team would do well in South Texas.

Cisneros said the Alamodome is one of the few buildings of its “quality and size” that an NFL team might inhabit if it needed to relocate.

He said he offered insight to Davis about “the market, the scale of the market, the relationship to Austin, the Mexico connection, which should obviously be something he should have in his mind.”

It appears that his meeting here has been in the works for at least a couple months. A source familiar with the talks said he had heard a couple months ago that the Raiders were interested in San Antonio. But the details of Davis' visit indicate that he could be interested in San Antonio more than just as a bargaining chip in Oakland.

While here, the Raiders owner had separate discussions with Spurs owner Peter Holt and Red McCombs, who both showed interest in having a stake in the team if it were to move here. A source indicated that the beleaguered Wheatley Heights sports complex on the East Side could serve as a potential training facility, and Davis also looked at open land during his visit.

Though Holt is apparently interested in NFL in San Antonio, others in the Spurs organization are not. There are concerns, a source said, that the Raiders, whose colors are also black and silver, could pull away from the Spurs' fan base — and their pocketbooks.

Through the years, NFL and Major League Baseball teams seeking new stadiums have flirted with San Antonio but none of those talks ever came to fruition. In the NFL, the New Orleans Saints, the Minnesota Vikings, the Arizona Cardinals, the San Diego Chargers and others reached out to San Antonio either directly or through the media. The MLB's Florida Marlins even sent representatives to San Antonio to meet with County Judge Nelson Wolff and other county officials in 2006.

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Finally, tired of being used as leverage for teams to gain better deals in their markets, Wolff and other leaders decided after the Marlins left that they would only negotiate with teams that had the relocation blessing of their respective leagues.

In 2011, the city and county commissioned California-based Premier Partnerships, sales and marketing firm focused on “revenue optimization” of sports initiatives, to conduct a feasibility study. The consultant determined that San Antonio could support the Arena Football League and lower-division soccer but not teams in the MLB or NFL.

The report said, among other things, that San Antonio fell short on the number of Fortune 500 companies and median household income. Its authors recommended that San Antonio “should continue to build its sports landscape and take a 'wait and see' approach with larger professional leagues.”
http://www.expressnews.com/sports/pro-sports/article/Oakland-Raiders-owner-in-talks-with-SA-to-5654812.php?cmpid=twitter-premium&t=f75bc9f75ec6ed8151#/0

I don't know if it will be SA or L.A., but the city of Oakland seems completely unwilling to build a new stadium and the knuckleheads in the CA legislature are just hostile towards corporate development.

I am pulling for the Oakland area.

 
To have at least half a chance of getting a decent deal he must have two alternatives and thus be able to play e.g. LA out against San Antonio.

Otherwise neither city feels the pressure...

 
Oakland (the city government, not the residents) no longer deserves the Raiders. They need to find a city willing to help them build a modern stadium. The Coliseum was obsolete in 1980.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
http://www.expressnews.com/sports/pro-sports/article/Oakland-Raiders-owner-in-talks-with-SA-to-5654812.php?cmpid=twitter-premium&t=f75bc9f75ec6ed8151#/0

I don't know if it will be SA or L.A., but the city of Oakland seems completely unwilling to build a new stadium and the knuckleheads in the CA legislature are just hostile towards corporate development.

I am pulling for the Oakland area.
Speaking as an Oakland resident and taxpayer, the city got so badly screwed by the last Raiders deal (and we're still paying millions a year for tickets they don't sell because they suck so much) that there's no way they're putting anything else into the team. As well they shouldn't. If a stadium's such a great deal, the Raiders should have plenty of private financing for it; there's tons of money around here.

What's more, the demographics of Oakland are skewing younger, whiter, and more artistic/hipster (some legit artists, lots of posers), and that demographic doesn't care about football.

 
The LA Colliseum needs to be bulldozed, as does the Black Hole dump in Oakland.

If this doesn't happen in either place to pave the way for a modern stadium, then we will be saying hello to your.....

SAN ANTONIO RAIDERS

I don't see McNair or Jerruh standing in the way of a move to SA.

Davis should have no trouble getting 24 of 32 owners to approve the move.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
http://www.expressnews.com/sports/pro-sports/article/Oakland-Raiders-owner-in-talks-with-SA-to-5654812.php?cmpid=twitter-premium&t=f75bc9f75ec6ed8151#/0

I don't know if it will be SA or L.A., but the city of Oakland seems completely unwilling to build a new stadium and the knuckleheads in the CA legislature are just hostile towards corporate development.

I am pulling for the Oakland area.
Speaking as an Oakland resident and taxpayer, the city got so badly screwed by the last Raiders deal (and we're still paying millions a year for tickets they don't sell because they suck so much) that there's no way they're putting anything else into the team. As well they shouldn't. If a stadium's such a great deal, the Raiders should have plenty of private financing for it; there's tons of money around here.

What's more, the demographics of Oakland are skewing younger, whiter, and more artistic/hipster (some legit artists, lots of posers), and that demographic doesn't care about football.
Well something has to give.

If it's funding privately in Oakland or getting public support elsewhere, I don't get the impression Davis is that committed to stay. He should be, but it sounds like he is not.

 
Possible Raiders move to Los Angeles is gathering steamOXNARD, Calif. -- Perhaps it was all mere coincidence. It was just quirky timing that, with his franchise again a free agent after the season, and his efforts to get a stadium in Los Angeles taking on a more fevered pitch, and with him openly flirting with San Antonio to up the relocation ante, now, of all times, Mark Davis's Oakland Raiders happened to travel to Southern California for two days of practices with the Cowboys.

But, as they stood on a field at a training complex roughly 60 miles from downtown LA, it was surely no coincidence that as soon as practice was over Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, as slick of a media maven as they come, sought out a robust gathering of reporters, and threw his arm around Davis and Hollywood mogul Michael Ovitz. Then he launched into a soliloquy about his deep relationship with Davis, and his high esteem for an LA stadium model that Ovitz conducted and its viability to house an NFL franchise (or two, ultimately, if the NFL gets its way with this market).

This seemed like anything other than an improv act – nothing from the Actor's Studio – but rather more akin to in-your-face performance art, as the overtones of Raiders-back-to-LA were impossible to miss. Oh, and Magic Johnson (who knows a thing or two about ownership and was once represented by Ovitz) happened to be standing a few yards away, and Tommy Lasorda was sitting at a sideline-chair in a VIP area off to the side. Jones was all smiles, and the vocal – and borderline manic – Raiders fans who outnumbered Cowboys fans here and screamed as the team busses pulled up and chanting "Cowboys suck" for a good part of the afternoon made for quite the sonic backdrop to a fairly surreal scene that at times seemed like an infomercial for the NFL in LA.

Jones waxed nostalgic about Ovitz's stadium model, which cost "seven figures" to produce. He and Ovitz joked that model remains "the only stadium anyone is playing (football) in," while Davis stood on the opposite side of Jones, somewhat awkwardly. Taking the bait after the line of questioning turned to the Cowboys' recent minor transactions and Orlando Scandrick's drug suspension, I asked Jones, "Could that model still serve as a viable option for an NFL team in LA?"

"It would make a beautiful stadium," Jones said, outright beaming. "Yes it would."

Davis, for his part, spoke of Jones almost like a father figure, in the same reverential tones both men spoke of Davis's father, Al, one of the game's great builders and a Hall of Famer. "It's a great relationship," Davis said of his bond with Jones. "I look to him for answers on everything." This was another instance in this briefing that begged for a follow up -- "Have you conferred with Jones about San Antonio?", a market Jones has dubbed as Cowboys Country.

"We haven't talked about that yet, but we'll see," Davis said.

Davis has no long-term viable options in the Bay Area, short of perhaps sharing Levi's Stadium with the 49ers, which he remains diametrically opposed to. He would love to move to Los Angeles and has intensified his desire to do so in recent months, spending oodles of time in the area, sources have said. The NFL, however, would prefer to give another ownership group the rights to Los Angeles -- make no mistake, the road to LA goes through the league office in New York -- as the Davis family already pulled out of Southern California once, and Davis doesn't have the real estate, marketing and overall business expertise the league would demand for the coveted market.

Of course, having Jones, maybe the most influential owner in the league, work with him to build a consortium of business giants and Hollywood elites might make that option more viable. Make no mistake, the sense of urgency of several parties to get to LA has increased, and will only consider to do so. The Rams are also lease free agents after the season and their owner, Stan Kroenke, already owns a huge parcel of land in LA that could house a stadium, and the Chargers, the franchise closest to Los Angeles, are not burdened by massive financial hurdles in their lease, either.

Jones is among the owners who continue to speak regularly about the importance of getting a team to LA -- imagine spinning one of the league's bottom three revenue generators into a top-five earner for the shared revenue pie? -- and don't expect that to change anytime soon. He looked comfortable as ever in the salesman role, and no doubt Davis loves having him as his wingman, doing the talking for him.

Maybe it amounts to nothing in the end, but Davis is clearly becoming increasingly visible and vocal about his dalliances with other locales, and no doubt he covets Los Angeles above San Antonio or anyplace else.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24658264/a-possible-raiders-move-to-la-gathering-steam-and-jerry-jones-might-be-on-board

 
If they move anywhere it should be Los Angeles. I think it is the only NFL franchise that has a chance to survive in Los Angeles and if *gasp* they ever start winning (yes, I know it's doubtful) they could thrive. However they need to focus on the downtown stadium project or Hollywood Park as an alternative. Places like Irwindale or City of Industry would be a disaster.

 
raiders wouldn't move until 2019 they have one year leases with the oakland coliseum for 2017 and 2018.  if chargers stay in san diego, they could make a jump for LA but it sounds like the finances vegas is providing makes it all but a clincher they'll now be the vegas raiders.

 

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