Will the Scandals hurt Obama and Hillary Clinton? (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

So far we have the Benghazi story, the IRS story, the AP story, and the Rosen story. There are several posters who have speculated that these stories will severely damage Obama, and, in the case of Benghazi, Hillary Clinton as well. So I thought it would be interesting to run a poll on the subject.

 

[Abraham]

Don't care.

 

[timschochet]

Incidentally, my last option "His approval rating will soar as public blames Republicans for bringing this up"- that actually happened with Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky crisis. It was a unique political situation which I've never seen before or since- the guy was being impeached by Congress, and yet his popularity kept rising and rising.

 

[shader]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

 

[ntz08]

tl/dr

 

[JuniorNB]

So far we have the Benghazi story, the IRS story, the AP story, and the Rosen story. There are several posters who have speculated that these stories will severely damage Obama, and, in the case of Benghazi, Hillary Clinton as well. So I thought it would be interesting to run a poll on the subject.

Don't forget the fact that he wasn't born in the states and throws a baseball like a girl. There's a lot of dirt on this guy.

 

[Rayderr]

As it currently stands, it will have a negligible effect. If something comes out that is more damaging (i.e. Obama actually ordered the IRS to delay tea party applications) then it'll probably really hurt him. I don't think Benghazi will have any effect on Hillary.

 

[timschochet]

Well, most people seem to think it will have little or no effect. I share that conclusion.

 

[17seconds]

Well, most people seem to think it will have little or no effect. I share that conclusion.

...yet you didn't include a negative "little effect" option for Hillary

 

[timschochet]

Well, most people seem to think it will have little or no effect. I share that conclusion.

...yet you didn't include a negative "little effect" option for Hillary

Yeah, that was an error. But unlike Obama, it doesn't mean anything. Hillary is out of office. The only effect this could have on her is (a) she gets indicted (nobody thinks that's going to happen) or (b) it hurts her chance to be President should she decide to run.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

The vast majority of people that pay attention to politics are too partisan to move the needle. If you asked people hypothetically what their reaction would be to these situations without them knowing if it was a Democratic or Republican Administration responsible for these scandals and most people would be upset. Doesn't work that way though.

 

[Slapdash]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

Those people have largely been convinced Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ for the last 5 years already. Give it a rest.

 

[Nipsey]

Well, most people seem to think it will have little or no effect. I share that conclusion.

Post 8. Under cashes!

 

[eurotrashman]

??which scandals??//

 

[cheese]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

Pretty much this. Everyone is already firmly entrenched on one side of the other, so there isn't much that can dramtically affect ratings.

 

[joffer]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

Don't forget the people who aren't crazy

 

[NCCommish]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

The reason for the laughter is there is nothing there. There was no coverup over Benghazi. The admin wasn't involved in the IRS scandal in which, by the way, only liberal groups were refused non-profit status all TPers got theirs. And in which 225 of those investigated were not TPers. And the AP deal is something many of us have been warning about for years as the MSM cheered on the security state. They didn't care until it was them. I don't care now that it is the cheerleaders. Given the expansion of the security state my guess is DOJ has all the legal powers they needed to do what they did. And hey if the reporters didn't do anything wrong they have nothing to worry about, right?

 

[NCCommish]

As to the OP all the national polling shows little to no effect on either Obama or Clinton.

 

[Jim11]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

The reason for the laughter is there is nothing there. There was no coverup over Benghazi. The admin wasn't involved in the IRS scandal in which, by the way, only liberal groups were refused non-profit status all TPers got theirs. And in which 225 of those investigated were not TPers. And the AP deal is something many of us have been warning about for years as the MSM cheered on the security state. They didn't care until it was them. I don't care now that it is the cheerleaders. Given the expansion of the security state my guess is DOJ has all the legal powers they needed to do what they did. And hey if the reporters didn't do anything wrong they have nothing to worry about, right?

Funniest post I've seen in a while. No coverup; admin not involved...priceless.

 

[17seconds]

^^^^ oh ####

 

[Kal El]

Someone will take the fall for both of them, and they'll emerge relatively unscathed, unless serious dirt is found, as has been mentioned before in this thread.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

As it currently stands, it will have a negligible effect. If something comes out that is more damaging (i.e. Obama actually ordered the IRS to delay tea party applications) then it'll probably really hurt him. I don't think Benghazi will have any effect on Hillary.

I don't think this is even true. A bunch of people on this forum seem to be completely convinced that the IRS did nothing wrong, that journalists deserve to be in prison when they leak classified material, etc. If any of this stuff got tied directly to Obama, they would just dig in that much more.

 

[NCCommish]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

The reason for the laughter is there is nothing there. There was no coverup over Benghazi. The admin wasn't involved in the IRS scandal in which, by the way, only liberal groups were refused non-profit status all TPers got theirs. And in which 225 of those investigated were not TPers. And the AP deal is something many of us have been warning about for years as the MSM cheered on the security state. They didn't care until it was them. I don't care now that it is the cheerleaders. Given the expansion of the security state my guess is DOJ has all the legal powers they needed to do what they did. And hey if the reporters didn't do anything wrong they have nothing to worry about, right?

Funniest post I've seen in a while. No coverup; admin not involved...priceless.

Oh Jim. Link me up to anything I said that wasn't true. There was no coverup in Benghazi even the GOP has started to admit that. There is no reason to believe the admin was involved in refusing two liberal groups non-profit status. And on the AP thing I hate it but people on both sides of the aisle told me I was paranoid. So welcome to the reality of what you supported.

 

[Jim11]

Special prosecutor on the way.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/05/22/the-insiders-a-special-prosecutor-in-the-irs-matter-is-inevitable/

My personal favorite of all the new revelations from the Obama IRS scandal is that White House Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler told White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough about the impending IRS inspector general report, but of course the White House chief of staff did not tell the president.

I sat in a White House chief of staff's office every day for more than two years. The only reason the legal counsel would tell the chief of staff about an impending report or disclosure would be so the chief of staff could tell the president.

 

[NCCommish]

Special prosecutor on the way.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/05/22/the-insiders-a-special-prosecutor-in-the-irs-matter-is-inevitable/

My personal favorite of all the new revelations from the Obama IRS scandal is that White House Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler told White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough about the impending IRS inspector general report, but of course the White House chief of staff did not tell the president.

I sat in a White House chief of staff's office every day for more than two years. The only reason the legal counsel would tell the chief of staff about an impending report or disclosure would be so the chief of staff could tell the president.

So is it a scandal that Issa has known for months?

 

[shader]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

The reason for the laughter is there is nothing there. There was no coverup over Benghazi. The admin wasn't involved in the IRS scandal in which, by the way, only liberal groups were refused non-profit status all TPers got theirs. And in which 225 of those investigated were not TPers. And the AP deal is something many of us have been warning about for years as the MSM cheered on the security state. They didn't care until it was them. I don't care now that it is the cheerleaders. Given the expansion of the security state my guess is DOJ has all the legal powers they needed to do what they did. And hey if the reporters didn't do anything wrong they have nothing to worry about, right?

Funniest post I've seen in a while. No coverup; admin not involved...priceless.

perfect example of what I was talking about in these two posts.

 

[The Commish]

Don't care.

We'll never know all the information to make an informed judgment.

 

[NCCommish]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

The reason for the laughter is there is nothing there. There was no coverup over Benghazi. The admin wasn't involved in the IRS scandal in which, by the way, only liberal groups were refused non-profit status all TPers got theirs. And in which 225 of those investigated were not TPers. And the AP deal is something many of us have been warning about for years as the MSM cheered on the security state. They didn't care until it was them. I don't care now that it is the cheerleaders. Given the expansion of the security state my guess is DOJ has all the legal powers they needed to do what they did. And hey if the reporters didn't do anything wrong they have nothing to worry about, right?

Funniest post I've seen in a while. No coverup; admin not involved...priceless.

perfect example of what I was talking about in these two posts.

Not really. You are drawing a false equivalence. The Jims are trying to make everything Watergate because well they want another scandal that doesn't involve them especially if it get the scary black usurper in the WH. And I am laughing cause they got ****.

 

[timschochet]

Special prosecutor on the way.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/05/22/the-insiders-a-special-prosecutor-in-the-irs-matter-is-inevitable/

My personal favorite of all the new revelations from the Obama IRS scandal is that White House Counsel Kathryn Ruemmler told White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough about the impending IRS inspector general report, but of course the White House chief of staff did not tell the president.

I sat in a White House chief of staff's office every day for more than two years. The only reason the legal counsel would tell the chief of staff about an impending report or disclosure would be so the chief of staff could tell the president.

Say what?

Please expand on this bit of information. Based on your various posts on a variety of subjects, I have a hard time believing you worked in the White House.

ETA- Never mind, he's quoting the guy who wrote the article.

 

[Slapdash]

As it currently stands, it will have a negligible effect. If something comes out that is more damaging (i.e. Obama actually ordered the IRS to delay tea party applications) then it'll probably really hurt him. I don't think Benghazi will have any effect on Hillary.

I don't think this is even true. A bunch of people on this forum seem to be completely convinced that the IRS did nothing wrong, that journalists deserve to be in prison when they leak classified material, etc. If any of this stuff got tied directly to Obama, they would just dig in that much more.

I haven't seen anyone make these claims really. Maybe I missed something on the IRS side though.

 

[shader]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

The reason for the laughter is there is nothing there. There was no coverup over Benghazi. The admin wasn't involved in the IRS scandal in which, by the way, only liberal groups were refused non-profit status all TPers got theirs. And in which 225 of those investigated were not TPers. And the AP deal is something many of us have been warning about for years as the MSM cheered on the security state. They didn't care until it was them. I don't care now that it is the cheerleaders. Given the expansion of the security state my guess is DOJ has all the legal powers they needed to do what they did. And hey if the reporters didn't do anything wrong they have nothing to worry about, right?

Funniest post I've seen in a while. No coverup; admin not involved...priceless.

perfect example of what I was talking about in these two posts.

Not really. You are drawing a false equivalence. The Jims are trying to make everything Watergate because well they want another scandal that doesn't involve them especially if it get the scary black usurper in the WH. And I am laughing cause they got ****.

NCC, I don't care enough about any of these situations to form an opinion. Perhaps you are 100% right and Jim is 100% wrong. I don't know. I don't care.

I just find it amusing that there is rarely a middle ground, and issues seem to always be straight down the party line. Perhaps the US has been this split for years and I haven't realized it.

 

[timschochet]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

The reason for the laughter is there is nothing there. There was no coverup over Benghazi. The admin wasn't involved in the IRS scandal in which, by the way, only liberal groups were refused non-profit status all TPers got theirs. And in which 225 of those investigated were not TPers. And the AP deal is something many of us have been warning about for years as the MSM cheered on the security state. They didn't care until it was them. I don't care now that it is the cheerleaders. Given the expansion of the security state my guess is DOJ has all the legal powers they needed to do what they did. And hey if the reporters didn't do anything wrong they have nothing to worry about, right?

Funniest post I've seen in a while. No coverup; admin not involved...priceless.

perfect example of what I was talking about in these two posts.

Not really. You are drawing a false equivalence. The Jims are trying to make everything Watergate because well they want another scandal that doesn't involve them especially if it get the scary black usurper in the WH. And I am laughing cause they got ****.

NCC, I don't care enough about any of these situations to form an opinion. Perhaps you are 100% right and Jim is 100% wrong. I don't know. I don't care.

I just find it amusing that there is rarely a middle ground, and issues seem to always be straight down the party line. Perhaps the US has been this split for years and I haven't realized it.

Been reading NCCommish for a few years now, and I have yet to hear him espouse the "party line". He is as big a critic of Obama and the Democratic party as anyone in this forum.

 

[Godsbrother]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

The reason for the laughter is there is nothing there. There was no coverup over Benghazi. The admin wasn't involved in the IRS scandal in which, by the way, only liberal groups were refused non-profit status all TPers got theirs. And in which 225 of those investigated were not TPers. And the AP deal is something many of us have been warning about for years as the MSM cheered on the security state. They didn't care until it was them. I don't care now that it is the cheerleaders. Given the expansion of the security state my guess is DOJ has all the legal powers they needed to do what they did. And hey if the reporters didn't do anything wrong they have nothing to worry about, right?

Funniest post I've seen in a while. No coverup; admin not involved...priceless.

perfect example of what I was talking about in these two posts.

Not really. You are drawing a false equivalence. The Jims are trying to make everything Watergate because well they want another scandal that doesn't involve them especially if it get the scary black usurper in the WH. And I am laughing cause they got ****.

NCC, I don't care enough about any of these situations to form an opinion. Perhaps you are 100% right and Jim is 100% wrong. I don't know. I don't care.

I just find it amusing that there is rarely a middle ground, and issues seem to always be straight down the party line. Perhaps the US has been this split for years and I haven't realized it.

Been reading NCCommish for a few years now, and I have yet to hear him espouse the "party line". He is as big a critic of Obama and the Democratic party as anyone in this forum.

Jim11 has every right to be insulted by this.

 

[kface]

these are only scandals in the minds of those that already hate...no one else cares

 

[meanjoegreen]

Been reading NCCommish for a few years now, and I have yet to hear him espouse the "party line". He is as big a critic of Obama and the Democratic party as anyone in this forum.

NCC is nowhere close to being as big of a critic of Obama and the Democratic party as anyone in this forum.

 

[BobbyLayne]

2nd term scandals...boy, that never happens.

 

[jonessed]

It hurts Obama by stalling his agenda. Up to this point he has controlled the media cycles fairly well. That's gone and given how he has treated the media, it may be gone for good.

People are underestimating how much that's going to hurt.

 

[jonessed]

Been reading NCCommish for a few years now, and I have yet to hear him espouse the "party line". He is as big a critic of Obama and the Democratic party as anyone in this forum.

NCC is nowhere close to being as big of a critic of Obama and the Democratic party as anyone in this forum.

Consider the source.

 

[Apple Jack]

Don't care.

 

[17seconds]

63 votes in and pretty overwhelming that neither of these mean much

 

[FlapJacks]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/05/22/its-not-just-republicans-up-in-arms-about-benghazi-thats-a-problem-for-president-obama/

Fully 55 percent say the Obama administration is trying to hide the facts, while just 33 percent say it has honestly disclosed what it knows of the incident. It’s not just Republicans crying foul: Six in 10 independents and nearly three in 10 Democrats say the administration is not being forthright.

 

[Ilov80s]

63 votes in and pretty overwhelming that neither of these mean much

Another important question is, "should they mean more?" "Should this hurt Obama's approval rating?" "Should this hurt Hillary?"

 

[sporthenry]

Politics is strange right now. One side of the aisle is 100% convinced that Obama is ending the world and is practically the anti-christ. The other side seems to laugh at everything and thinks things are going great and everything is fine.

I agree it is a very weird situation. I would say that the other side doesn't think everything is fine just that the current allegations are laughable. I know some probably see me as a defender of the Obama admin and maybe I am but I'd like to see the things that matter to me addressed and I think by continuing to make a stink about this, it hurts everyone from getting anything done. Maybe that is the Republicans true goal, to just stall and make it as hard as possible for Obama to get anything done. Heck, they admitted as much. So as far as that goes, maybe they are evil geniuses but considering how it blew up in their faces in '12, I'd say they are stupid.

Granted watching them argue about cuts wasn't much better and the whole political nature in DC is sickening but at least arguing about the tax code and the deficit seems important. Whether Obama removed al-Qaeda from the talking points, not so much.

 

[cstu]

No one except extreme Republicans even have a clue what you're talking about regarding these 'scandals'.

 

[sporthenry]

It hurts Obama by stalling his agenda. Up to this point he has controlled the media cycles fairly well. That's gone and given how he has treated the media, it may be gone for good.People are underestimating how much that's going to hurt.

I agree that it will slow his agenda down. He will have to spend the next few weeks or months addressing these issues. Not so sure about the MSM although you've already seen some guys like Stewart start to get harder on him (granted that was before the Fox News allegation). I don't think he is a lame duck with another congressional round going through but I also don't think he'll get too many sweeping changes through unless the Dems somehow win the midterm elections.

I also think this will hurt his approval rating a little bit just b/c of the amount of scandals popping up. Each scandal on its own seems to hold little merit, at least WRT to Obama but coupled together and with the fact that Americans seem to think the President is more powerful then he is, it will hurt it a bit. He won't see the 30's like Bush did and the economy will still be a much bigger issue but this will have some effect.

 

[AcerFC]

So far we have the Benghazi story, the IRS story, the AP story, and the Rosen story. There are several posters who have speculated that these stories will severely damage Obama, and, in the case of Benghazi, Hillary Clinton as well. So I thought it would be interesting to run a poll on the subject.

i know this makes me come off as either stupid or disinterested (can't figure out which) but I have not heard about one of the things you listed

 

[cstu]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/05/22/its-not-just-republicans-up-in-arms-about-benghazi-thats-a-problem-for-president-obama/

Fully 55 percent say the Obama administration is trying to hide the facts, while just 33 percent say it has honestly disclosed what it knows of the incident. It’s not just Republicans crying foul: Six in 10 independents and nearly three in 10 Democrats say the administration is not being forthright.

I bet 90% of those people had how no idea WTF they were being asked about.

 

[Ilov80s]

No one except extreme Republicans even have a clue what you're talking about regarding these 'scandals'.

I think you meant that as a knock on extreme Republicans. It should be taken as a knock on anyone that has somehow missed these stories.

 

[Ilov80s]

So far we have the Benghazi story, the IRS story, the AP story, and the Rosen story. There are several posters who have speculated that these stories will severely damage Obama, and, in the case of Benghazi, Hillary Clinton as well. So I thought it would be interesting to run a poll on the subject.

i know this makes me come off as either stupid or disinterested (can't figure out which) but I have not heard about one of the things you listed

Not mutually exclusive

 

[Lowly Clerk]

They will produce their version of Scooter or Ollie to take the fall and we will move on