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Will the Steelers contain Boldin and Fitzgerald? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter LHUCKS
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That is the key question. OLine has been playing good, but haven't faced anyone like the Steelers LB's. Pressure early spells doom for the Cards imho.I am always somewhat concerned with the steelers pass coverage, if Warner gets time, could be a loooooooooong day.
switz
Footballguy
Puh-lease....
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
I expect the Cards to be one dimensional in this game so I'd be suprised if Fitz and Boldin didn't finish with around 200 yards and a TD or two. I just don't see Warner consistently dinking and dunking the Steelers on 70-yard drives. He will pay a price as will his WR.
jurb26
Footballguy
The Pitt D will give up big plays to at least one of the WRs (Fitz/Boldin/Breaston) and probably two of them. THey will look to beat Arz with the blitz and disruption as well as stopping the run game. They will give up some big plays on D, but will create several as well. That is why they will win the game.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Reggie Wayne disagrees with you (and I don't care about how his long TD was almost intercepted).Also, for the record, the Steelers faced 3 of the top 10 WRs (based on receiving yards) this season. Here is how those WRs did:Andre Johnson 10-112-0Wes Welker 4-30-0Reggie Wayne 6-114-1
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Sheriff66
Footballguy
Andre Johnson was all garbage time, he didn't do anything in the game when it counted, we were in prevent the whole time. Wayne caught a defelction, congrats on that. Also, that's why I said pretty much, not totally, and I expect the same will happen to Fitz.
jurb26
Footballguy
Johnson had 44 yds on 3 receptions in the 1st quarter and also had a huge 40 yd reception taken away thanks to a meaningless penalty in the 2nd quarter.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Uh, not quite. On Houston's first two drives, Johnson caught 3 passes for 44 yards (all in the first 11 minutes). Just because Houston fell way behind and Johnson caught a few balls in the 4th quarter of a blowout doesn't mean that he didn't do some damage early on. Fact is, like I pointed out in the SB game thread, the Steelers haven't had to face most of the best WRs this season (since most of the best ones this season were in the NFC). If they are gonna contain Fitzgerald and (a hopefully healthy) Boldin, it will have to be because they get their pass rush going good, because it is impossible to cover those two guys good enough to shut them both down for 60 minutes. Not gonna happen.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Fitz will have over 100 yards and a td
Bolden will have 6 receptions for 50+ yards, no TDs
Hightower/Edge will combine for <50 yards rushing.
Steelers will win.
Bolden will have 6 receptions for 50+ yards, no TDs
Hightower/Edge will combine for <50 yards rushing.
Steelers will win.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Depends on a number of things. But it helps out AZ a lot in that Warner is the best QB in the NFL against the blitz this season. Pitt has such an incredible pass rush, and AZ will have their hands full. If the O-line can give Warner time, the sky is the limit for the Warner-Boldin-Fitz trio. If they can make the proper reads, the sky is the limit, too. But that defense will be throwing all kinds of things at AZ. The Cardinals better be fully prepared...
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Sure, just have the DB whisper in Q's ear about how he's underpaid. He'll run out of the stadium and go home.
Care to elaborate? I just can't compare Atl/Car/Phil LB's to steelers at all.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Oh, and to address the question, I think both guys will get their catches and pretty good yardage, but I think the Steelers will do a good job of preventing the big play. I could see one of them scoring and Fitz getting 8-96 and Boldin 6-60. That sounds about right.
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treat88
Footballguy
No question a #1 WR can put up numbers against this team.Thing is you've got be able to threaten the run or the short passing game to get the zones shortened up and pull Troy into the box.I'm just not sure the ARIZ TE's or RB's have the speed to force the LB's up out of their drops.Ariz is a smart tough team, so I am sure they will find a way to continue Fitz's hot streak.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
Then he had 51 yards in the 4th quarter. Like I said, I don't expect Fitz to go crazy, he get his, but he also might get KedTFO.
jurb26
Footballguy
You have far more confidence in Troy's coverage skills than I do. Pitt can be beat by top notch WRs with or w/o Troy in the box. As a Steeler fan, I'd rather have him in up at there 7 of 10 plays.
treat88
Footballguy
On an island he's below average.He's tough within a disciplined zone when he can free lance.
NHT-SPOILER
Footballguy
I do NOT think they will shutdown them down. I'm guessing Fitz with 135yds with a TD or 2, Boldin 40yds, Breaston with 75yds.
Typically in the past history the steelers have been suspect to the deep threat. Arizona will definately NOT be able to run against the steelers and I am expecting an early barrage of blitzs to throw Warner off. Warner does however get rid of the ball quickly.
Hoping the steelers win, BUT even Philly with double coverage could NOT stop Fitz.
Typically in the past history the steelers have been suspect to the deep threat. Arizona will definately NOT be able to run against the steelers and I am expecting an early barrage of blitzs to throw Warner off. Warner does however get rid of the ball quickly.
Hoping the steelers win, BUT even Philly with double coverage could NOT stop Fitz.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
No
Also, Steve Breaston
Also, Steve Breaston
Sheriff66
Footballguy
Shut up Spoiler, I'll come up the street and slap you around.It also depends on if the refs allow Harrison to get held all day, which has been happening most of the year. I thought you said the Steelers would be lucky to be 8-8 ?
Mike Walker of the Jacksonville Jaguars a very pass oriented team, went over 100-Yards against these Steelers. If HE can do it, then Fitz will do it easily. Also Hank Baskett as #2/3 reciever went for 80+ yards against the Steelers, hrm... Boldin and Breaston are better than him!
Walter and Johnson went for 150+ and a TD, Boldin, Warner, and Breaston can easily top that.
I'm not saying the Steelers Pass Defense is weak, I'm just saying its EXTREMELY overrated.
Walter and Johnson went for 150+ and a TD, Boldin, Warner, and Breaston can easily top that.
I'm not saying the Steelers Pass Defense is weak, I'm just saying its EXTREMELY overrated.
gianmarco
Footballguy
It will all depend on how much pressure the front line of Pitt can get on Warner WITHOUT blitzing. If Pitt tries to blitz Warner consistently, he is going to pick them apart. If they can get consistent pressure without that and drop into coverage, then yes, they can contain them.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
.........The Steelers have the best LBs in the NFL. This is common knowledge. Not sure where your response is coming from?
CrossEyed
Footballguy
I didn't see Philly double covering Fitz that often.
shakeybarn
Footballguy
I'm a big Boldin fan... but need to correct the OP titles
Will the Steelers contain Fitzgerald and Boldin?
It sounds easy... course i recall the Chargers doubling Jerry vs SF back in the day.
After the first 2 TDs... either you think Andy Reid has the mentality of a 9 yr old, or there was more to it.
Will the Steelers contain Fitzgerald and Boldin?
It sounds easy... course i recall the Chargers doubling Jerry vs SF back in the day.
After the first 2 TDs... either you think Andy Reid has the mentality of a 9 yr old, or there was more to it.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
DRC will SHUT DOWN whoever he takes...probably Santonio. Ward and Miller will probably have good games...whoever Rod Hood is covering will have a field day.The question is, can the AZ D contain Santonio, Hines and Heath?
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Celek's field day in the NFCC game makes me think that Miller will have some success, although I'm not sure he has the athleticism to get away from coverage like Celek showed.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
What a curious comment considering the Cardinals were 9-7 while playing in the NFL's weakest division year in, year out.As for the poll I don't care how many yards Fitz and "Tantrum" Boldin get. The objective is to win the game. The Steelers defense has been money all year facing a tougher schedule than the Cardinals. Nothing is a sure thing but I like their chances.
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Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
I don't doubt DRC's long-term potential but statements like this don't jive with the facts. Outside of Delhomme's annual meltdown 2 weeks ago the Cards haven't shut many WR down. 42 TD passes in 19 games this year, far & away most in the NFL. Outside of the Carolina game WR have torched them all year and in the playoffsLHUCKS said:DRC will SHUT DOWN whoever he takes...probably Santonio. Ward and Miller will probably have good games...whoever Rod Hood is covering will have a field day.CrossEyed said:The question is, can the AZ D contain Santonio, Hines and Heath?
eSean Jackson 6-92 1 TDKevin Curtis 4-122
Rod White 11-84 1 TD
Call me a homer but I'd put Holmes and Ward well above the Philly duo.
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I'm sorry, are you saying that the Cardinals will just have to wait until the Fourth Quarter to get major passing yards? You pretty much proved my point. The Steelers knew the Texans were going to pass the ball, and they didn't stop it. What happens if the Cardinals get a running game going?MWalker 107 Yards. 200 Passing. 26 Yards Rushing - Once again, the Jags a running team could not run the ball. So they passed the ball, quite effectively for them. Now lets just say the Cardinals don't get the running game going... the past tells us that when even when the Steelers KNOW the pass is coming they can't stop it. I'd like to see them stop Fitz and Boldin... oh let's throw Breaston in there.Ummm...AJohnson 112. Team 202 passing. (35-3 heading into 4th. When Hou got 105 passing yards and scored 2 TDs). Walter had 41. Walter gained 30 of it in the 4th. Johnson had 61 in the 4th. 47 yards rushing in 4th (of 71 total)
MWalker 107. Team 200 passing. 26 yards rushing.
Baskett 85. Team 214 passing. 65 yards rushing.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Dude you gotta be smarter than this. The Steelers were up 35-3 with only 7:00 left in the game and the Texans scored a couple TDs in garbage time when the Steelers had their scrubs in. The Cardinals have lost 7 times this season and none of those teams had a better defense than the Steelers. They have a good team and they may win but they certainly aren't unbeatable.I'm sorry, are you saying that the Cardinals will just have to wait until the Fourth Quarter to get major passing yards? You pretty much proved my point. The Steelers knew the Texans were going to pass the ball, and they didn't stop it. What happens if the Cardinals get a running game going?MWalker 107 Yards. 200 Passing. 26 Yards Rushing - Once again, the Jags a running team could not run the ball. So they passed the ball, quite effectively for them. Now lets just say the Cardinals don't get the running game going... the past tells us that when even when the Steelers KNOW the pass is coming they can't stop it. I'd like to see them stop Fitz and Boldin... oh let's throw Breaston in there.
... they will trade yards and points for CLOCK in order to win the game.See Ravens, Baltimore. See Chargers, San Diego.
*Takes bow*Alright I now see the legitimacy in your arguments. In my estimation however, I believe the Cardinals have enough fire power in their passing game to beat Steelers for a respectable amount of yards.Dude you gotta be smarter than this. The Steelers were up 35-3 with only 7:00 left in the game and the Texans scored a couple TDs in garbage time when the Steelers had their scrubs in. The Cardinals have lost 7 times this season and none of those teams had a better defense than the Steelers. They have a good team and they may win but they certainly aren't unbeatable.I'm sorry, are you saying that the Cardinals will just have to wait until the Fourth Quarter to get major passing yards? You pretty much proved my point. The Steelers knew the Texans were going to pass the ball, and they didn't stop it. What happens if the Cardinals get a running game going?
MWalker 107 Yards. 200 Passing. 26 Yards Rushing - Once again, the Jags a running team could not run the ball. So they passed the ball, quite effectively for them. Now lets just say the Cardinals don't get the running game going... the past tells us that when even when the Steelers KNOW the pass is coming they can't stop it. I'd like to see them stop Fitz and Boldin... oh let's throw Breaston in there.
Over all the analysis we can do, I'll leave it to the players on the field.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I'm sure I haven't seen Miller as much as a Steeler fan, but I always thought he looked sort of stiff. Any other opinions on Miller v. Celek?
The Jerk
Footballguy
I know you're not very experienced in terms of big game analysis and/or trash talking, but this is embarrassing by any standard. You scour through the Steelers season looking for evidence of deficiencies. Apparently, the best you could do was find journeyman receivers who put up good yardage against the Steelers on September 21 and October 5.Then, you compare their talent level with the Cards receiving corps to show that the Steelers have no chance to slow down the Cardinals passing attack. I would say Fitz and Boldin are at least three times the receiver Mike Walker is, so each of them should be good for at least 321 yards receiving in the Super Bowl. Might be a record or something.This is fun! Let's do it again, but with a twist. Let's apply this same high-level analysis in the opposite direction.I was going to just say that the Steelers beat the Patriots by 23 points on the same field that one month later, the Patriots beat the Cardinals by 40. so that should make the Steelers a 63-point favorite, right? But that doesn't work, because it uses games from the last half of the season. I need to go to September or early October for a more similar analysis to yours.Jason Campbell threw for 204 yards and 2 TDs against the Cardinals in Week 3. In his 36 games as a starting QB, he has thrown 35 TDs and has a record as a starting QB of 16-20. Ben Roethlisberger has started 80 games (counting nine playoff games). In those 80 games, Ben has thrown for 115 TDs and has a record of 58-22. It's pretty clear that Ben is 50% better than Jason Campbell, so he should be good for 306 yards and 3 TDs.One week later, the Jets forced seven turnovers against the Cardinals. The Steelers are arguably better on defense than the Jets, so I figure they should force eight turnovers.So there you have it: Using your methods of analysis, while the Steelers might allow 800 passing yards to Fitzgerald, Boldin and Breaston, that will be somewhat counterbalanced by the eight turnovers they force and the 306 yards and 3 TDs thrown by Ben.Should be a good one.
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The Jerk
Footballguy
At worst, Miller is going to be Celek's equal in just about any category, at least at this point in their respective careers. He's a former first round draft pick who has averaged 42 receptions for 483 yards and 5.25 TDs per season in his four years in the NFL. This season he was injured for three games and has only begun hitting his stride again in the post-season. (6 catches, 99 yards, 1 TD the past two weeks.) He would be a much better known figure if the Steelers had a better offensive line and did not require him to stay in as often to help with the blocking, and also if he had greater fantasy worth as opposed to pure football worth. He is enough of a vertical threat to have had a 50 and 87 yard reception in his career. I remember him most being featured on the first two drives of the divisional playoffs in 2005-06 at Indy when the Steelers jumped out to a 14-0 first quarter lead.
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cstu
Footballguy
Less than 3 TD's between them.
cstu
Footballguy
If the Cards win, Warner will probably be the MVP. It's rare for a WR to get it - only if the QB plays poorly or he vastly outplays the other WR's. I do agree that Boldin could outplay Fitz though, just not enough to get MVP.SB MVP WRs:
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Thanks and you may very well be right. But I was hoping for a non-Steeler fan opinion. Of course you think Miller is better. I think he's underperformed (and maybe as a result of the PIT offense and therefore not his fault) more than most highly drafted TEs. So I was looking for other opinions.
The Jerk
Footballguy
Fair enough. Being a fan of a team does not automatically disqualify you from being objective. It may be difficult, but it's not impossible to be objective about your favorite team. To me, where being a fan clouds judgment is in a more subjective discussion on who has the best fans, the best history, controversial officiating, etc. For example, I can tell you that I would be surprised if the Steelers offensive line is not one of the five worst to ever play in a Super Bowl. Same thing for the punter.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
When you are underutilized, it's hard to live up to expectations. Miller has fly paper hands, works the seams well, and it great in the red zone. Does he run a little stiff? Maybe, but so does Witten at times, and he seems to do OK.
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