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Will Thomas Jones still get the lions share of the carries? (1 Viewer)
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Trap Play
Footballguy
As a Jones and Benson owner, I think that this is a valid concern. However, I don't think there is enough information out to draw any significant conclusions.
So much of the Bears offense seems to be predicated on the passing game, starting Jones, even in a sweet matchup like he has this week against the 49ers, is ruined by the worry over whether a) all the scores will come through the air and b) if the game will be such a blow-out that Benson will be grinding out the clock in the second half.
So much of the Bears offense seems to be predicated on the passing game, starting Jones, even in a sweet matchup like he has this week against the 49ers, is ruined by the worry over whether a) all the scores will come through the air and b) if the game will be such a blow-out that Benson will be grinding out the clock in the second half.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Here we go again.Thomas Jones is the starter. Cedric Benson, yes the Cedric Benson who was the 4th pick in the draft, is the backup.Jones will start, and get 90% of the carries (just like every other starting RB). If the Bears go up big, Benson will get more carries in the second half.T Jones has looked not-so-good this year. Benson has looked worse.
hooptd
Footballguy
And you base this prediction on what?
dawgtrails
Footballguy
He bases it on the fact that he owns Benson and in case you havent heard, the Bears did not draft Benson with the 4th pick to be the backup.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
You should throw a "LOL" or "j/k" in there lest people take this ridiculousness seriously!And if you are serious, you're clueless.
Pedro Cerrano Fan
Footballguy
I do not think the idea of a highly paid highly drafted player starting over a more deserving player is rare on this forum, unfortunately.
LivingTheDream
Footballguy
The local papers are talking about a refocus on the running game. The weather is turning to crap (thank god I moved out of Chicago!) and Grossman is still a young QB. I think you will see the running game put up big numbers in the 2nd half of the year.
T Jones is the starter. The Bears are 6-0. I don't see them making a change. Benson will get his carries to spell Jones and in mop up duty. Otherwise the gig belongs to Tom Jones.
T Jones is the starter. The Bears are 6-0. I don't see them making a change. Benson will get his carries to spell Jones and in mop up duty. Otherwise the gig belongs to Tom Jones.
LivingTheDream
Footballguy
Benson runs straight into the line and goes down easily. Benson averages 3.1 ypc. Jones ran real well against Buffalo and Seattle. Against Zona he only got around 10 carries so it's hard to judge.
LivingTheDream
Footballguy
When Benson has a hole and has a chance to pick up speed he looks good. He doesn't have too much wiggle though. The other factor is blocking, and I think Benson has improved, but is still not at the level of Jones.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Wow, there really IS a thread on this every week.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Except last week because the Bears are on bye. I considered starting a "will Benson take over during the bye" thread in jest but I'm lazy.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Just wait until the Bears get their first loss. There will be 10 of these threads.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
He's looked like Barlow's looked the last couple years.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
And every week Cedric Benson continues to defy stupidity.
Cedric Benson is to the Chicago Bears what genital warts are to the perfect woman.
Benson said something to the effect "I wish I knew what the plan was so I knew how to prepare."
I would think that the #4 overall pick, who has never busted 100 yards would ALWAYS PREPARE 110% to be the 'stud RB' when given any opportunity.
Cedric Benson is to the Chicago Bears what genital warts are to the perfect woman.
Benson said something to the effect "I wish I knew what the plan was so I knew how to prepare."
I would think that the #4 overall pick, who has never busted 100 yards would ALWAYS PREPARE 110% to be the 'stud RB' when given any opportunity.
acefootball
Footballguy
I believe KJ will get the Lion's share of carries. 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Yes... this brings up another point.NEVER bring up the Chicago Bears and Detroit Lions unless the Bears are playing the lowly cowardly Lions.And I guarantee Cedric Benson will have more carries and yards than 'the great' Kevin Jones this weekend.I believe KJ will get the Lion's share of carries.
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Irish
Footballguy
You don't have a problem judging Benson on his limited carries, but you give Jones a pass?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I have a flex decision this week between Benson and Reggie Williams. After Williams put up an inspiring ZERO catches last week, I'm gonna give Ced a shot. Hopefully they destroy the Niners, as expected.
Incidentally, PFW had something about this in their whispers section this week. I just read it, but I don't have the paper in front of me. Basically, they said to look for Benson to get more carries (perhaps 50/50) after the bye. They said something about making sure Rex wouldn't have to throw 40 times, and having a true 25 carry workhorse - which describes Benson - is better for Rex and the offense. The article also made mention of the fact that Jones had no success getting to the edge and around the corner against the Cardinals. These weren't the EXACT quotes, but you get the picture.
Don't shoot the messenger... I'm just sayin'.
Incidentally, PFW had something about this in their whispers section this week. I just read it, but I don't have the paper in front of me. Basically, they said to look for Benson to get more carries (perhaps 50/50) after the bye. They said something about making sure Rex wouldn't have to throw 40 times, and having a true 25 carry workhorse - which describes Benson - is better for Rex and the offense. The article also made mention of the fact that Jones had no success getting to the edge and around the corner against the Cardinals. These weren't the EXACT quotes, but you get the picture.
Don't shoot the messenger... I'm just sayin'.
BigA
Footballguy
I think we all can see who the TJ backers are...stop acting like its last year were he rushed for 1300yds..its not happening this year..anyone who watches the games can see benson is the better back..watch benson break a couple this week and he'll be starting soon enough...no more dancing with the stars TJones...NatronIsMean said:
mr. furley
Footballguy
flapgreen said:
can't someone just bump the SAME thread every week? or merge them all together? or would it wind up being bigger than the beer thread?
mr. furley
Footballguy
Trap Play said:
in the last 2 games he has 1 carry but we should expect him to start getting more carries???? why exactly?
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Because 2 carries against San Francisco is more than in the prior two games.Trap Play said:
The fact of the matter is Jerry Angelo has his wagon hitched to Benson, and more than likely after this season (when Thomas Jones is in his contract year) he'll hold out and ask for a trade or more money. So the Bears HAVE TO see what they have with Benson. I already see what they have. A newfound millionaire, pampered collegiate athlete that hasn't proven jack squat at the NFL level, alienates himself from his teammates and coaches - and wants to know when he'll be the starter so he can try a little harder preparing. 
FFdork
Footballguy
Because he has nowher to go but up?
Here is how I see the situation. (Disclaimer: Bears homer, watched every snap this year, most of them twice or more)
Thomas Jones is the starter. Period. As long as the Bears keep winning and Jones is healthy, he will remain the starter. Period. I do expect that Benson will get carries from time to time, even for a whole series occassionally, but only to keep Jones fresh.
If somehow the Bears lose a few games in a row or close together, and if part of the blame for the losses can be attributed to the running game, we will probably start to see Benson getting more PT. Benson has not looked good for the most part this year, but he has had a few nice runs. I agree that he needs a hole to hit, but when he has that hole, he hits it hard and runs with power. He doesn't do a good job of making people miss in space. I have a hard time believing someone who looked that good in college can't translate his skills to the NFL. I really, really don't want to compare him to Dayne, who was the beneficiary of a tremendous line and a complete dedication to the running game in Wisconsin, but it is possible.
I know what people are saying about drafting Benson 4th and paying him a lot, but remember Jones was a high 1st round draft pick as well (granted, not in Chi). And the Bears didn't sign Jones to a 4-year contract to have him as a backup either, especially after becoming the 2nd player in team history to post a 1300-yard season. I know that's arbitrary, but anything that references Payton has emotional overtones to Bears fans, and that cannot be ignored.
One other point - don't forget about Benson's rookie holdout and his troubles this preseason. Obviously I'm not in the locker room to tell you what the team's interpersonal dynamics are, but it is very possible that his teammates continue to disrespect him for these things. That kind of negativity can create stumbling blocks for a young player as well.
Thomas Jones is the starter. Period. As long as the Bears keep winning and Jones is healthy, he will remain the starter. Period. I do expect that Benson will get carries from time to time, even for a whole series occassionally, but only to keep Jones fresh.
If somehow the Bears lose a few games in a row or close together, and if part of the blame for the losses can be attributed to the running game, we will probably start to see Benson getting more PT. Benson has not looked good for the most part this year, but he has had a few nice runs. I agree that he needs a hole to hit, but when he has that hole, he hits it hard and runs with power. He doesn't do a good job of making people miss in space. I have a hard time believing someone who looked that good in college can't translate his skills to the NFL. I really, really don't want to compare him to Dayne, who was the beneficiary of a tremendous line and a complete dedication to the running game in Wisconsin, but it is possible.
I know what people are saying about drafting Benson 4th and paying him a lot, but remember Jones was a high 1st round draft pick as well (granted, not in Chi). And the Bears didn't sign Jones to a 4-year contract to have him as a backup either, especially after becoming the 2nd player in team history to post a 1300-yard season. I know that's arbitrary, but anything that references Payton has emotional overtones to Bears fans, and that cannot be ignored.
One other point - don't forget about Benson's rookie holdout and his troubles this preseason. Obviously I'm not in the locker room to tell you what the team's interpersonal dynamics are, but it is very possible that his teammates continue to disrespect him for these things. That kind of negativity can create stumbling blocks for a young player as well.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
It seems that the Ced/TJ situation is 90% locker room politics/10% football.
Maybe they should change the team name to the Cowbears.
Maybe they should change the team name to the Cowbears.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Because he's due. In a related note, I had zero carries in the last 2 games, so I'm even more due. Watch for me to have lots of carries for the Bears this week.Trap Play said:
Irish
Footballguy
But you can't claim that he has never scored an NFL touchdown anymore.Because 2 carries against San Francisco is more than in the prior two games.Trap Play said:
flapgreen
Footballguy
Because he's due. In a related note, I had zero carries in the last 2 games, so I'm even more due. Watch for me to have lots of carries for the Bears this week.Trap Play said:
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
Brad Biggs of the Chicago Sun Times reports that Benson has been getts more 1st team reps in practice than usual this last week or so than before. Turner has stated that he wants to get Benson in there for the 3rd series and see how he does. Then they will try to rotate Benson in more often than in weeks past.
Every Bear fan has a different opinions on these two guys. I for one am very disappointed in TJ this year. He does way too much dancing and he is the back that goes down easily. Benson gets the ball, lowers his shoulder and runs. We haven't seen enough out of benson to know exactly what he is. A couple of carries a game really doesn't tell us much. The bears have said that benson will be in the game this weekend in the 2nd or 3rd series. I hope they play Benson a bunch this week so maybe he can show us something. TJ just isn't doing it for me this year. I don't own either of these guys, I am just a bears fan.Trap Play said:
R.White
Footballguy
From The Footballguys News Blogger-Chicago Team Page this morning...
October 26, 2006, 07:07
Bears :: RB
More Playing Time For RB Benson, Next 2 Games?
Brad Biggs, Chicago Sun-Times - [Full Article]
RB Cedric Benson wants the ball more, and the Bears are about to oblige him. OC Ron Turner said on HC Lovie Smith's radio show Monday night that Benson will play by the second or third series Sunday. It's no surprise they will use him more this week against the 49ers at Soldier Field. Typically, he plays more at home. Thirty-five of Benson's 47 carries this season have come at Soldier Field, and two of the three times he reached double digits in rushes last season were at home. The coaching staff still wants starter RB Thomas Jones in the game when it knows the pass rush is coming. Benson's number has been called more in practice this week, a tip of more responsibilities to come. LINK
RW
October 26, 2006, 07:07
Bears :: RB
More Playing Time For RB Benson, Next 2 Games?
Brad Biggs, Chicago Sun-Times - [Full Article]
RB Cedric Benson wants the ball more, and the Bears are about to oblige him. OC Ron Turner said on HC Lovie Smith's radio show Monday night that Benson will play by the second or third series Sunday. It's no surprise they will use him more this week against the 49ers at Soldier Field. Typically, he plays more at home. Thirty-five of Benson's 47 carries this season have come at Soldier Field, and two of the three times he reached double digits in rushes last season were at home. The coaching staff still wants starter RB Thomas Jones in the game when it knows the pass rush is coming. Benson's number has been called more in practice this week, a tip of more responsibilities to come. LINK
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nygiants56
Footballguy
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
classic !!varmint cong
Footballguy
Offensive coordinator Ron Turner said Wednesday that RB Cedric Benson will see significant action in Week 8.
Turner said Benson would be in the game by the second or third series, which is a major change. ''He needs to be in more,'' Turner said. ''Thomas [Jones] is a very good player and we're going to get Thomas his carries, but we believe Cedric is, too, and we've got to get him in. We need to get Cedric going and get him in early and give him the ball. If it's a tight game, or whatever kind of game it is, he needs to be in there and he will be in there.'' This could be the start of a shift in the backfield.
Source: Chicago Sun Times
Turner said Benson would be in the game by the second or third series, which is a major change. ''He needs to be in more,'' Turner said. ''Thomas [Jones] is a very good player and we're going to get Thomas his carries, but we believe Cedric is, too, and we've got to get him in. We need to get Cedric going and get him in early and give him the ball. If it's a tight game, or whatever kind of game it is, he needs to be in there and he will be in there.'' This could be the start of a shift in the backfield.
Source: Chicago Sun Times
mr. furley
Footballguy
i'm hitching my FF wagon to you this week. PM me if you expect to be downgraded on this week's injury report.Because he's due. In a related note, I had zero carries in the last 2 games, so I'm even more due. Watch for me to have lots of carries for the Bears this week.Trap Play said:
mr. furley
Footballguy
and Mike McCarthy keeps telling us he'll involve the TE's in the passing game.... and Ron Dayne is the starter in Houston......... and Vinatieri will kick (pick one from week 2 - 6).... and Barlow is the starter in NY.... and on and on and on.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
....and burying your head in the sand provides all the info you might need?
mr. furley
Footballguy
good comeback. well thought out.
this is season #2. rookie RB's with talent play. period. he didn't. this is season 2 and he's still not playing.
call it politics, Angelo pulling strings, Lovie pulling strings, whatever.. the guy just isn't playing.
they say they want Jones in when they know the pass rush will come..
isn't that saying that they believe, for whatever reason, Benson can't pass block? or catch? and that when he's in there they will run the ball.. sort of signaling to the defense "hey, here comes the run. put 11 in the box. hell, put 22 in the box."
Jones in = run or pass
Benson in = run
which would you rather have if you're the Bears?
coaches are going to stick with what's working. right now the Bears are undefeated and doing it with Thomas Jones. why change anything?
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The Bears are undefeated.
Thomas Jones is their unquestioned starter.
Nothing will change that unless they start to come apart and lose. Which I do not see happening. They are the best team in football. Thomas Jones has not been as good as last year, but they have a very good passing game now. They have great balance. If Cedric Benson is so much better than Thomas Jones then why is he not playing more? They say they want to get him in the game earlier this week. Fine, so let's say they get him in by the 3rd series, so what?
I own both players. I could care less who starts. But one thing is obvious. The Bears believe in Thomas Jones, and know first hand he gives them the best chance to be successful. If Benson were so good he would have replaced him already. What is so hard to figure out?
Thomas Jones is their unquestioned starter.
Nothing will change that unless they start to come apart and lose. Which I do not see happening. They are the best team in football. Thomas Jones has not been as good as last year, but they have a very good passing game now. They have great balance. If Cedric Benson is so much better than Thomas Jones then why is he not playing more? They say they want to get him in the game earlier this week. Fine, so let's say they get him in by the 3rd series, so what?
I own both players. I could care less who starts. But one thing is obvious. The Bears believe in Thomas Jones, and know first hand he gives them the best chance to be successful. If Benson were so good he would have replaced him already. What is so hard to figure out?
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The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
Let's put it this way: in their respective last games (week 6 for Ced), Reggie Williams outrushed Cedric Benson. By a factor of 2.RAIDERNATION said:
