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I don't get why Bettis gets credit for being a great leader in a Super Bowl championship season while Dillon apparently doesn't even get an honorable mention in a year when he had a career year.
Do you understand that leading is not the same as statistics? If so, then you do get it.ETA: No one takes away credit from Dillon's career year. He gets credit for that in his statistics. Are you suggesting that he was a leader among his teammates, as distinguished from his statistical performance?
 
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I don't get why Bettis gets credit for being a great leader in a Super Bowl championship season while Dillon apparently doesn't even get an honorable mention in a year when he had a career year.
Do you understand that leading is not the same as statistics? If so, then you do get it.ETA: No one takes away credit from Dillon's career year. He gets credit for that in his statistics. Are you suggesting that he was a leader among his teammates, as distinguished from his statistical performance?
There is only so much leading a RB can do. Especially one that doesnt play very much. Bettis' "leadership" in 2005 is LARGELY overstated. The NFL is a NOW business. His teammates give him respect because he has been through the trenches before, but they arent taking their lead from someone who only carries the ball 5-10 times a game.
 
I don't get why Bettis gets credit for being a great leader in a Super Bowl championship season while Dillon apparently doesn't even get an honorable mention in a year when he had a career year.
Do you understand that leading is not the same as statistics? If so, then you do get it.ETA: No one takes away credit from Dillon's career year. He gets credit for that in his statistics. Are you suggesting that he was a leader among his teammates, as distinguished from his statistical performance?
I suppose everyone's definition of "leadership" is different. Dillon was one of the key contributor's to the Pats 04 SB run. That in itself IMO is reflective of being a leader. He contributed on the field to taking a good team the distance by proving it on the field. Was he THE REASON why the offense was so good? Obvioulsy not as Brady runs the show on offense. Was he the venerable team leader? Again no as players like Troy Brown and Tedy Bruschi could have battled for that title. But does that mean Dillon was not a leader on and off the field? Again probably not.Looking at Bettis in the Steelers' title season, he was not a regular by then and pretty much was a short yardage guy only. IMO, his on the field play was nothing to write home about. Could the Steelers have fared just as well WITHOUT Bettis that year (on the field only)? Probably. Was Bettis a good clubhouse guy and motivator? Absolutely. But put Bettis and his 368 rushing yards on the 04 Pats and put Dillon and his 1600 yards on the 04 or 05 Steelers and the Steelers would have ROMPED both years. And the Pats would have probably struggled to win much of anything in the 04 postseason.
 
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Pat Patriot said:
Well, since this discussion has morphed into other players, let me toss this out (I did this in another thread recently but forgot which one).Through 10 years . . .Corey Dillon: 11241 rushing yards, 1913 receiving yards, 89 total TD (13154 yards from scrimmage)Jerome Bettis: 11542 rushing yards, 1277 receiving yards, 65 total TD (12819 yards from scrimmage)In his last three seasons, Bettis added 2120/172/29. If Dillon tacks on similar numbers (or even passes Bettis in rushing yards), does anyone think Dillon is a legit HOF candidate?
Hard to predict what Dillon's future performance might do for his case, but does anyone here truly think he has a shot at 2300 more yards and 29 more TDs?
Does Dillon need another 29 TD's? He had a 24 TD lead after 10 years. I'm not sure Dillon plays another 2 years but if he does, he is very likely to get the 11 TD's he needs for 100 TD's.Dillon arguably has 4 elite years to Bettis' 3. He also had 3-4 very good years (same number as I have given Bettis). When he finally got to the playoffs, he was a huge part in the Patriots 3rd Championship.I think Dillon and Bettis are somewhat similar candidates and cant for the life of me figure out why most people (or at least media) consider Bettis a lock.Many Steelers fans have said that Bettis was a dominant big back for the majority of his career. Please then explain 65 Total TD's, on a good team, through his 1st 10 years. Is he only a HOF candidate because the Steelers made him a specialist and gave him all the TD opportunities his last 3 years so he could add 29 TD's to his total?
IMO, part of it has to do with the accoloades Bettis got that Dillon didn't (more Pro Bowls and All Pro selections), but I think it boils down to the teams. The Bengals were 34-78 (.304) in the years Dillon was there while the Steelers went 98.5-61.5 (.616) with Bettis. Given the sludge that the Bengals were fielding year to year, Dillon can't really get many points for his leadership skills (they were never contenders). The Bengals also ranked in the Bottom 5-10 in scoring for 5 straight years. IMO, if they switched teams, Dillon would be the one getting in and Bettis would be the one poo-pooed as a HOF candidate.
I might need to add to my sig, but this is exactly why I say that the "ignorant" masses overrate players from good teams and underrate players from poor teams. As for leadership skills, how much more leadership do you need than being the workhorse and majority of a teams offense? He also was trying to get everyone to work harder and get some talent around him. After awhile he said get me out of here, I want to win and he has been a good player and a good teammate in NE. I don't buy that he was a bad leader in Cinci and that is why they lost.
My point wasn ot so much that Dillon was or was not a good leader, but either way no one would care on a team that could barely win 3 of 10 games. So Bettis apparently gets credit for "leading" his team to winning seasons and a SB title while Dillon gets nothing for enduring years in obscurity in Cincy.By comparison, IMO Dillon's years 8,9, and 10 in NE trump Bettis' 8, 9, and 10 in PIT:Dillon: 3180/431/39Bettis: 3079/202/21I don't get why Bettis gets credit for being a great leader in a Super Bowl championship season while Dillon apparently doesn't even get an honorable mention in a year when he had a career year.
I am with you DY. In re-reading my post it was a little harsh, but it was not meant at you. It was more agreeing, yet pointing out the flaw in most people's minds about leadership. This is my own issue in that so many people downgrade Manning and Marino because they hadn't won the big one yet; even though they won a ton of games. It is just so silly that people think now that Manning was part of a team that won it that his legacy is any better? This year if Manning's defense played as bad as Miami's always did there was no chance Manning gets a ring. So how is it that he gets credit now? He should have gotten credit before, but as I said, people have trouble seeing things that have not happened yet.
 
I don't get why Bettis gets credit for being a great leader in a Super Bowl championship season while Dillon apparently doesn't even get an honorable mention in a year when he had a career year.
Do you understand that leading is not the same as statistics? If so, then you do get it.ETA: No one takes away credit from Dillon's career year. He gets credit for that in his statistics. Are you suggesting that he was a leader among his teammates, as distinguished from his statistical performance?
There is a difference, but I would argue that the backup RB can only be so much of a leader. You lead by example, you lead by coaching and teaching, you lead by making the tough decisions...playing well statistically is part of leading though.I guess LT wasn't a good leader and that is why SD lost, Brady that choker came up very small in the playoffs so obviously yelling at his teammates makes him a bad leader. Obviously, Grossman was a great leader taking his team the the SB :thumbup:
 

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