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Jason Wood

Jason Wood

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Bettis getting a ton of work and the goal line carries...looks like FWP isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread after all. :popcorn:

 
I don't think anyone is surprised that the Bus is getting the goal line carries. I still don't buy that he'll get the lion's share of the work (work meaning non-goal line or short yardage situations) though, regardless of what's transpired in the first 30 minutes of the first game that Bettis has played in this year...Staley was a legit concern, I don't think the Bus is, but maybe I'm in denial.

 
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Staley was a legit concern, I don't think the Bus is, but maybe I'm in denial.
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Yes, you are Bettis and Parker are splittin series and Bettis has looked better for the most part on top of that. Not just GL and short yardage work, splittin series to this point.
 
Bus on pace for 16 carries...if he gets this much work per game I don't see him lasting. But clearly he is nullifying much of Parker's value.

 
any way you slice it, FWP is worth about as much as Tatum Bell, if not less.
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That makes alot of sense. Parker and Bell's value or going in opposite directions. Bell also took on both of the key Bronco's short yardage carries (3rd and short, 4th and 1). He got the 1st down on one and scored on the other. Me thinks he can handle shot yardage duties just fine.
 
Bus on pace for 16 carries...if he gets this much work per game I don't see him lasting.  But clearly he is nullifying much of Parker's value.
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:confused: Bettis has been one of the most durable workhorses in league history. Last year, even as a part time player, he averaged more than 16 rushes per game. In fact, he's averaged more than 16 carries per game in nine of 12 seasons. While I can understand the notion that Bettis nor the Steelers WANT Bettis to get 16+ carries per game, to suggest he will break down if they give him that much work flies in the face of a very storied history.

Carries per game, Bettis

18.4

19.9
12.2
20.0
25.0
21.1
18.7
22.2
20.5
14.4
15.4
16.7
 
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The reason I kept Parker? Staley obviously has trouble staying healthy. Bus is going to be retiring in the near future. And I'm in a keeper league. :)Edit: And to say Bettis has looked better is a crock. FWP 6 for 23, Bettis 8 for 20.

 
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Much better this way. Keeps Fast Willie fresh for the fantasy playoffs :thumbup:BTW...Willie Parker: 6-23LaDanian Tomlinson: 6-22:scoreboard:

 
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The reason I kept Parker? Staley obviously has trouble staying healthy. Bus is going to be retiring in the near future. And I'm in a keeper league. :)
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Honestly, that is the only way not selling him high 2 weeks ago makes sense IMO.
 
exactly...they needed the special teams help, but Staley won't be there every week and when he's not I'm bettin' it won't be Bettis either...

 
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Bus on pace for 16 carries...if he gets this much work per game I don't see him lasting. But clearly he is nullifying much of Parker's value.
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He wont get this much work night in night out. Obvioulsly, Duce will start to get carries in the future as well. Cowher will play all three and favor the hot hand depending on who is most effective in the game.Cowher loves to run the ball. And he likes to keep his RBs fresh, especially considering how much they like to run, and are prone to injury. As many of us have said this is going to be a RBBC involving all three players. There is the potential for any one RB to get a majority of the work on a given night.

At this point, it is best to hold Parker and wait for another big game or injury to Bettis/Duce, before looking to trade him.

 
Bus on pace for 16 carries...if he gets this much work per game I don't see him lasting.  But clearly he is nullifying much of Parker's value.
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:confused: Bettis has been one of the most durable workhorses in league history. Last year, even as a part time player, he averaged more than 16 rushes per game. In fact, he's averaged more than 16 carries per game in nine of 12 seasons. While I can understand the notion that Bettis nor the Steelers WANT Bettis to get 16+ carries per game, to suggest he will break down if they give him that much work flies in the face of a very storied history.

Carries per game, Bettis

18.4

19.9
12.2
20.0
25.0
21.1
18.7
22.2
20.5

14.4
15.4
16.7
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Bettis is an old dude at this point, and as you observed, has logged a billion carries over his career. You can choose to examine this as him being able to easily handle 16 carries a game, I choose to examine this as excessive for a body that was considering retirement a couple years ago.
 
He wont get this much work night in night out. Obvioulsly, Duce will start to get carries in the future as well. Cowher will play all three and favor the hot hand depending on who is most effective in the game.

Cowher loves to run the ball. And he likes to keep his RBs fresh, especially considering how much they like to run, and are prone to injury. As many of us have said this is going to be a RBBC involving all three players. There is the potential for any one RB to get a majority of the work on a given night.

At this point, it is best to hold Parker and wait for another big game or injury to Bettis/Duce, before looking to trade him.
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This is great in theory, except that he isn't going to keep 4 RB's active in Parker, Bettis, Haynes and Staley. Haynes isnt going to be the odd man out as he is a key special teams guy. One of the others is likely to be inactive- right now it seems to be Staley.

 
He wont get this much work night in night out. Obvioulsly, Duce will start to get carries in the future as well. Cowher will play all three and favor the hot hand depending on who is most effective in the game.

Cowher loves to run the ball. And he likes to keep his RBs fresh, especially considering how much they like to run, and are prone to injury. As many of us have said this is going to be a RBBC involving all three players. There is the potential for any one RB to get a majority of the work on a given night.

At this point, it is best to hold Parker and wait for another big game or injury to Bettis/Duce, before looking to trade him.
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This is great in theory, except that he isn't going to keep 4 RB's active in Parker, Bettis, Haynes and Staley. Haynes isnt going to be the odd man out as he is a key special teams guy. One of the others is likely to be inactive- right now it seems to be Staley.
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Who said Cowher would be keeping 4 RB's active .........
 
So I guess I should drop him from my team?FWP was an unexpected bonus for 3 weeks and helped me to win all 3 games...Will he be worth playing for the rest of the year, maybe yes maybe no...Are Bettis and Staley the future of the Steelers? I think not...Was he worth the $50 "league" money it cost me to get him on waivers last November? Yes, even if he never plays another down...Heck he got me more points so far tonight than Westbrook did for his owner. Better waive Westbrook too... :eek:

 
He wont get this much work night in night out.  Obvioulsly, Duce will start to get carries in the future as well.  Cowher will play all three and favor the hot hand depending on who is most effective in the game.

Cowher loves to run the ball.  And he likes to keep his RBs fresh, especially considering how much they like to run, and are prone to injury.  As many of us have said this is going to be a RBBC involving all three players.  There is  the potential for any one RB to get a majority of the work on a given night.

At this point, it is best to hold Parker and wait for another big game or injury to Bettis/Duce, before looking to trade him.
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This is great in theory, except that he isn't going to keep 4 RB's active in Parker, Bettis, Haynes and Staley. Haynes isnt going to be the odd man out as he is a key special teams guy. One of the others is likely to be inactive- right now it seems to be Staley.
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Why not deal Staley to NO?
 
He wont get this much work night in night out.  Obvioulsly, Duce will start to get carries in the future as well.  Cowher will play all three and favor the hot hand depending on who is most effective in the game.

Cowher loves to run the ball.  And he likes to keep his RBs fresh, especially considering how much they like to run, and are prone to injury.  As many of us have said this is going to be a RBBC involving all three players.  There is  the potential for any one RB to get a majority of the work on a given night.

At this point, it is best to hold Parker and wait for another big game or injury to Bettis/Duce, before looking to trade him.
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This is great in theory, except that he isn't going to keep 4 RB's active in Parker, Bettis, Haynes and Staley. Haynes isnt going to be the odd man out as he is a key special teams guy. One of the others is likely to be inactive- right now it seems to be Staley.
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Why not deal Staley to NO?
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Depth is never a bad thing for a contending team.
 
I got FWP off the waiver wire and I can afford to carry him in my dynasty leagues. I truly don't see Bettis as likely to stick around after this season. Staley of course is the man, which is why he is active this game........LOL.I can deal with your envy.

 
He wont get this much work night in night out.  Obvioulsly, Duce will start to get carries in the future as well.  Cowher will play all three and favor the hot hand depending on who is most effective in the game.

Cowher loves to run the ball.  And he likes to keep his RBs fresh, especially considering how much they like to run, and are prone to injury.  As many of us have said this is going to be a RBBC involving all three players.  There is  the potential for any one RB to get a majority of the work on a given night.

At this point, it is best to hold Parker and wait for another big game or injury to Bettis/Duce, before looking to trade him.
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This is great in theory, except that he isn't going to keep 4 RB's active in Parker, Bettis, Haynes and Staley. Haynes isnt going to be the odd man out as he is a key special teams guy. One of the others is likely to be inactive- right now it seems to be Staley.
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Why not deal Staley to NO?
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NO doesn't need a 30 year old guy like Staley.
 
The reason I kept Parker? Staley obviously has trouble staying healthy. Bus is going to be retiring in the near future. And I'm in a keeper league. :)
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Honestly, that is the only way not selling him high 2 weeks ago makes sense IMO.
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This is the same situation I'm in. Dynasty league where my RBs are DDavis, Dunn, Duckett, Perry, and Parker. I'm going to be starting Davis and whoever has a better match-up between Dunn and Parker, unless someone gets hurt such that one of the other guys will get more carries.We have a salary cap for our keepers and players' salary is based on their score for the previous year, so Parker and Perry will be pretty cheap until they get the majority of the carries. :thumbup:

 
The reason I kept Parker? Staley obviously has trouble staying healthy. Bus is going to be retiring in the near future. And I'm in a keeper league. :)
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Honestly, that is the only way not selling him high 2 weeks ago makes sense IMO.
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This is the same situation I'm in. Dynasty league where my RBs are DDavis, Dunn, Duckett, Perry, and Parker. I'm going to be starting Davis and whoever has a better match-up between Dunn and Parker, unless someone gets hurt such that one of the other guys will get more carries.We have a salary cap for our keepers and players' salary is based on their score for the previous year, so Parker and Perry will be pretty cheap until they get the majority of the carries. :thumbup:
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Which is why I'm keeping Parker. With Dillon, D. Davis, Cadillac, Taylor, Perry, I can hold onto Parker.
 
To be clear, for dynasty leagues obviously Parker's future remains bright. But the vast majority of people on this board and our subscriber base participate in redraft leagues primarily and clearly Willie Parker's outlook and value has likely peaked in my opinion.

 
not that big of surprise. Both teams rank #1,#2 vs the run. Tough game
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That was my opinion as well. Anyone that does not consider SD a good AFC team is not paying attention. Studs do not always produce against good teams. It's not like LT2 is tearing it up vs a stingy PIT DEF, but I will not bench him because it's a tough match up. Sometimes you don't get big production against good teams, sometimes you do.
 
He wont get this much work night in night out. Obvioulsly, Duce will start to get carries in the future as well. Cowher will play all three and favor the hot hand depending on who is most effective in the game.

Cowher loves to run the ball. And he likes to keep his RBs fresh, especially considering how much they like to run, and are prone to injury. As many of us have said this is going to be a RBBC involving all three players. There is the potential for any one RB to get a majority of the work on a given night.

At this point, it is best to hold Parker and wait for another big game or injury to Bettis/Duce, before looking to trade him.
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This is great in theory, except that he isn't going to keep 4 RB's active in Parker, Bettis, Haynes and Staley. Haynes isnt going to be the odd man out as he is a key special teams guy. One of the others is likely to be inactive- right now it seems to be Staley.
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Who said Cowher would be keeping 4 RB's active .........
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Well you said he'd play all three. Given that Haynes is needed for special teams, that would give 4 RB's. Hence, Staley seems to be the odd man out at this point. Staley, Bettis, Parker likely will not be active all in one week.
 
I am very surprised, as a strong supporter thus far of Parker. Mostly because I thought Bettis was done and that he had come back almost as a favor to the organization to fill a role. The Bus was churnin' today and the offense was better with him in there. Will Parker learn and get more carries down the road, I dont know - but right now, you can't deny that the Bus deserves at least half the carries and he will get the goalines.I am not convinced Parker wont be of great value later this season (he brings more than Duce), but if Bettis is running like his prime, why wouldnt you give a HoF runner the ball. If you can, steal Parker very cheap and hope Bettis tires as he has everyyear (I think) the past couple seasons... but he is a stash on the bench player it seems, at this point who will pop a couple nice runs for a couple decent weeks... bye week emergency fodder. :sadbanana:

 
I am very surprised, as a strong supporter thus far of Parker. Mostly because I thought Bettis was done and that he had come back almost as a favor to the organization to fill a role.

The Bus was churnin' today and the offense was better with him in there. Will Parker learn and get more carries down the road, I dont know - but right now, you can't deny that the Bus deserves at least half the carries and he will get the goalines.

I am not convinced Parker wont be of great value later this season (he brings more than Duce), but if Bettis is running like his prime, why wouldnt you give a HoF runner the ball. If you can, steal Parker very cheap and hope Bettis tires as he has everyyear (I think) the past couple seasons... but he is a stash on the bench player it seems, at this point who will pop a couple nice runs for a couple decent weeks... bye week emergency fodder.

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I'm going to hit the bus with my car. I already have once, check my driving record. I'll do it again.
 
I am very surprised, as a strong supporter thus far of Parker. Mostly because I thought Bettis was done and that he had come back almost as a favor to the organization to fill a role.

The Bus was churnin' today and the offense was better with him in there. Will Parker learn and get more carries down the road, I dont know - but right now, you can't deny that the Bus deserves at least half the carries and he will get the goalines.

I am not convinced Parker wont be of great value later this season (he brings more than Duce), but if Bettis is running like his prime, why wouldnt you give a HoF runner the ball. If you can, steal Parker very cheap and hope Bettis tires as he has everyyear (I think) the past couple seasons... but he is a stash on the bench player it seems, at this point who will pop a couple nice runs for a couple decent weeks... bye week emergency fodder.

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Neither was spectacular tonight: 10 for 33 and 10 for 26. SD is tough on the run.
 
I am very surprised, as a strong supporter thus far of Parker.  Mostly because I thought Bettis was done and that he had come back almost as a favor to the organization to fill a role.

The Bus was churnin' today and the offense was better with him in there.  Will Parker learn and get more carries down the road, I dont know - but right now, you can't deny that the Bus deserves at least half the carries and he will get the goalines.

I am not convinced Parker wont be of great value later this season (he brings more than Duce), but if Bettis is running like his prime, why wouldnt you give a HoF runner the ball.  If you can, steal Parker very cheap and hope Bettis tires as he has everyyear (I think) the past couple seasons... but he is a stash on the bench player it seems, at this point who will pop a couple nice runs for a couple decent weeks... bye week emergency fodder.

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Neither was spectacular tonight: 10 for 33 and 10 for 26. SD is tough on the run.
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Even so, one of the reasons I was personally so high on Willie was the fact that imo, Duce has NOTHING on him outside of some veteran smarts, while the Bus possesed (or now, posseses) some unique skills. However, I thought the Bus was done. Maybe in two weeks, that will pan out - as he has tired quick through a season as he's aged. But if Bus stays rested, and a 50/50 split should do that, who knows.

It means Willie is going to get 10-12 touches, maybe a few more some games, without the goalines.

Without Bus running like he is 26 again, you have a potential burner in Parker getting 20+ touches, which equals good #2 back. Now, its a mess and Bettis would be (for this moment at least) the better play.

 
The Bus is fired up. You guys are dreaming if you think he's going to "get tired" and turn the ball over to FWP.Bus=17 carries and a TDFWP=10 carries for 26 yards -- aka fork stuck in him for fantasy owners.

 
I am very surprised, as a strong supporter thus far of Parker.  Mostly because I thought Bettis was done and that he had come back almost as a favor to the organization to fill a role.

The Bus was churnin' today and the offense was better with him in there.  Will Parker learn and get more carries down the road, I dont know - but right now, you can't deny that the Bus deserves at least half the carries and he will get the goalines.

I am not convinced Parker wont be of great value later this season (he brings more than Duce), but if Bettis is running like his prime, why wouldnt you give a HoF runner the ball.  If you can, steal Parker very cheap and hope Bettis tires as he has everyyear (I think) the past couple seasons... but he is a stash on the bench player it seems, at this point who will pop a couple nice runs for a couple decent weeks... bye week emergency fodder.

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Neither was spectacular tonight: 10 for 33 and 10 for 26. SD is tough on the run.
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Even so, one of the reasons I was personally so high on Willie was the fact that imo, Duce has NOTHING on him outside of some veteran smarts, while the Bus possesed (or now, posseses) some unique skills. However, I thought the Bus was done. Maybe in two weeks, that will pan out - as he has tired quick through a season as he's aged. But if Bus stays rested, and a 50/50 split should do that, who knows.

It means Willie is going to get 10-12 touches, maybe a few more some games, without the goalines.

Without Bus running like he is 26 again, you have a potential burner in Parker getting 20+ touches, which equals good #2 back. Now, its a mess and Bettis would be (for this moment at least) the better play.
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You mean like last year? :unsure:
 
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