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Godsbrother
Footballguy
First off Parker needs to be healthy, completely healthy. If not I think the Steelers will be happy to give Mendenhall the starts and the bulk of the carries. If FWP does regain his health he has a chance to retain the role of starter though I believe that both will get carries and the Steelers will go with the hot hand.
Long term I think FWP's days in Pittsburgh are numbered unless he is prepared to be the back up.
Long term I think FWP's days in Pittsburgh are numbered unless he is prepared to be the back up.
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LordHusker
Hot sauce addict
Parker miraculously recovers this week and bounces back against Detroit. Watch it.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Apparently Dodds and crew have given up on him totally. In the 250 going forward he is below the value line. and listed lower than coffee. Thats a heck of a drop. I will believe it when I see it. Parker will still be the man in Pittsburgh IMO
Happy Ragnarok
Footballguy
It's not just that. It's that opportunity and schedule really favor RM right now. By the time Parker gets fully well (if indeed he does so this year), Mendenhall will likely have faced SD (who he already throttled), Detroit, and maybe Cleveland. It's not that people are betting on RM because of one good game. It's that people are betting on him because he looked good in one game, has a first round pedigree, and has a strong likelihood of looking good in the next two games as well.What would be your take on Parker vs RM if we were a couple weeks into the future, and Mendenhall was coming off three straight good games? There's obviously no guarantee, but I think people are placing their bets more on the likelihood of that happening than they are on the results so far.I don't think Mendenhall has earned the workhorse job based on what he's done. And I don't really think he'll probably be much better than FWP would be against strong D's later in the season. But I think it's very likely that by the time the decision is ready to be made, he'll have feasted on a couple patsies, and will look too good to deny the opportunity to.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
I am hearing conflicting reports but how bad is his Turf toe? He hasnt been ruled out to play against the Lions this week. Also didnt Parker just have a big game right before he hurt his toe? He will get at least half the carries maybe more if he suits up. RM will get the job next year and FWP will be traded. Thats all that RM has done for himself IMO.
trader jake
Footballguy
Fast Willie Parker without the fast is just another street free agent.
I'm not sticking a fork in him but he just doesn't seem healthy.
I'm not sticking a fork in him but he just doesn't seem healthy.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Thanks for showing all how much you follow this situation. Parker will not be traded, as he is a F/A after this season and all the more reason for Pitt to see what they really have in Mendenhall. I think once Parker is healthy (he does no good to Pitt to beat up on a bad wheel), he gets close to 50% carries to help keep Mendenhall fresh for later in the year. I think this is Mendenhall's coming out party.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
25 carries for 93 yards and 0 TDs qualifies as a big game?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Not normally, but when you compare it to 28 for 165 and 2 you have to admit it really stands out.
duaneok66
Footballguy
it is for the 2009 version of Willie Parker . . .
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Rather than start a new thread. FWP owners- Are you holding for now or trading or even dropping to waivers? Is this RM thing that big a bump in the road? SD defense is soft, ditto the Lions defense. Parker would be a beast against either if he were healthy. Do people really feel that RM is a better RB than FWP and will steal the show from here on out? How much would you expect for Parker in a trade?
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Andy Herron
Footballguy
See Barry Foster.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I drafted Mendenhall last year. Against my better judgement, I drafted him again this year.
I loved what I saw Sunday night, obviously, but it was against a completely battered Chargers defense. I'm cautiously optimistic, but even if he does it again against the Lions I still won't be completely sold. I want to see it a few weeks in a row against capable run defenses before I throw a party.
I loved what I saw Sunday night, obviously, but it was against a completely battered Chargers defense. I'm cautiously optimistic, but even if he does it again against the Lions I still won't be completely sold. I want to see it a few weeks in a row against capable run defenses before I throw a party.
beavers
Footballguy
Pitt plays Cleveland after Det ... Wait at least until after the Cleveland game.
Mr Capicollo
Footballguy
Do you know him personally? Can you tell us what kind of cheese he likes on his tuna melts? NFL athletes will take the best contract, you are trying to imply Pittsburgh is exponentially better than somewhere else. He already has two rings, if someone offered him the starter job and more money he would be long gone. Hopefully he calls you and lets you know he's leaving so you can break the news here. 
I'll see what I can get for him in a trade next week with a GM that is interested in one of my WRs. IfI have no taker, I'm punting him into the WW for the likes of a Sproles, McFadden or simply handcuff Bell to Pierre Thomas. Parker is now useless.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Hmm. I will wait for official word that he will see reduced carries when he returns from injury. Also I want to see if RM can run against a real defense. SD and the Lions don't count.
Cleveland is the following week. Going to be a bit of a wait I'm afraid.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Yeah for a real defense, I hear ya. Parker will probably be back for the Browns game though. FWP is a bye week replacement for me any way and I dont need him until week 9. I can be patient unless something better than Bell or McFadden comes along.
SleeperPix
Footballguy
I would assume, based upon the gues on your WW, that you are not in a deep league. If that is the case, FWP may be a bit expendable. But I definitely would not say FWP is useless. Is he what he was a couple of years ago? No. But he is still a decent back and Mendenhall has only had 1 good game against a subpar defense. I would definitely hold and see what happens when Willie does actually come back.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Redraft, no.Dynasty, HELL NO!
just a terrible analysis of the situation at hand. You hold him at the very least this week, his value will be much higher monday. I stepped in doodoo in that he was one of the backups I snagged up late in the draft, when all I really do is go after #2 rbs. I will gladly plug him in, and monitor the situation between he and willie. Trading him now is the worst thing you can do...
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
What does the future hold for Willie Parker?http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburgh...s/s_647167.html
translation- RM is the fill in while the starter recovers. If RM can prove himself time and time again he moves up the ladder. 1 or 2 games isnt going to cut it.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Somehow this bit got left out:""His body of work isn't large enough yet...Now, if he comes out and does it again this week? Yeah, then you have to re-evaluate the number of carries both guys get."
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I believe the Steeler coaches want RM to take the job and run with it. Whether he does that or not has yet to be determined.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Wrong. This week will not sell this coaching staff on anything. They know like any other NFL coach would know, that the Lions defense is a joke and not a true test that Mendenhall has improved enough to earn the status of starter. At best RM will earn some more carries. It does not say he will become the starter. You are reading what you want into the situation. The report says nothing has changed and thats after a great performance against a better defense than the Lions. So why would facing an even weaker defense change what the San Deigo game couldn't change? I think when Parker returns against the Browns and both backs are healthy and getting carries, Then you will see the true evaluation take place. if RM is significantly better than Parker then and only then will you see some changing of the guard. It wont happen while the starter is out of action IMO.
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Cookiemonster
Footballguy
He's been very heavily trying to keep Willie's legacy untarnished but there are very few bodies left on that sinking ship.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
You do realize that what I posted is a quote from Bruce Arians, right? I'm assuming you missed that.Otherwise I'd have to conclude that you partially quoted him to make it sound like he's agreeing with you when it's clear that he and the Steelers have contradicted your position.
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Breesisdaman
Footballguy
You implied that the part that you quoted meant enough to change the title of the article which is " Parker is still the starter ". That was your intention right? to cast doubt on the fact that nothing has changed? read my explaination after my last post. Arians says nothing about Parker not being the starter when he returns. RM may earn a few Carries by having another good game but Parker will still be the starter. There is nothing in the article that says otherwise.
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WisconsinBills
Footballguy
Fast Willie is done prematurely. He has completely lost his bursts in the first few weeks, even before his turf toe. And now that Mendenhall is ripping **** up, the game is over for FWP.
Should've traded him right after his big week.
Should've traded him right after his big week.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
If he does this against teams that have defenses of substance I will agree with you until then. Nope, I will wait and see.
It is a deep league (12 Team) but we have a 5 RB limit per roster. It stops certain GMs from hoarding RBs and keeping the league hostage.
treat88
Footballguy
This is how I see it as well.I agree that Parker isn't the back he once was, but he will still have a role in this offense once he returns. That role may very well be as a starter.
I'm also of the opinion that there is a better than 50-50 chance he resigns with the team.
People underestimate how much Parker means to the coaching staff and FO.
The bolded part is just terrible hyperbole. Just because he means something to the coaching staff and FO, he'll stick around for ever?!? Far greater players than FWP have left, or have been shown the door. First and foremost, money is what dictates what most players do. Now some players will take less money to stay places. However, beyond the money, the opportunity to start comes into play. If steelers say we'll give you half the money and you turn into a backup, while the browns suddenly come knocking with twice the money and promise of being the absolute starter, and there is no visible competition there, you think fast willie's gonna go 'well, I sure do live the steelers, and they love me, so let me stick around here!' Don't think so. And from the other side of the equation, the steelers aren't gonna say, 'well we sure do love willie, lets give him more money than we thing we should to keep him!' Or, 'lets keep FWP the starter, even though there is a better younger rb that should be the starter, cuz we love FWP!' Not going to happen. THere are salary cap ramifications as well, amongst many many many other variables. Don't be silly with the 'he means so much to the team' nonsense, this here is a business first and foremost, from both sides of the line...
treat88
Footballguy
Wow. It wasn't meant to be inflammatory or hyperbole. I mean I said 50-50 odds. Doesn't seem very exaggerated.Signing a deal commensurate with his age and production isn't at all out of the question depending on how this season plays out.Chill with the off-base diatribes pOOh.
I'm not sure how one could rule conclusively on the Mendy/Parker situation. I think there are 5 plausible, although not equally plausible, scenarios for how this unfolds:
1) Parker struggles with injury for the forseeable future and Mendenhall remains the starter/primary ball carrier (35% chance)
2) Parker gets healthy and splits carries w/ Mendenhall, w/ Mendenhall getting the majority (30% chance)
3) Parker gets healthy and splits carries w/ Mendenhall, w/ Parker getting the majority (15% chance)
4) It becomes a full blown RBBC, with the Steelers riding the hot hand (not committing to one as the starter, making it difficult for fantasy owners to committ to one over the other), giving the non-starter significant carries and Moore getting a few carries and several catches (15% chance)
5) Parker remains injured/inactive and Moore steals the starting gig from Mendenhall due to poor performance by Mendy (missed blocking assignments, fumbling, etc) (5% chance)
Let's face it, those who think Mendenhall is cemented as the starter for the rest of the year are delusional. I'm not saying it wont happen, but there's no evidence to suggest it's a foregone conclusion. I can almost guarantee you that IF Parker is healthy, he WILL have a role in the offense. I don't know if he will be the de facto starter, get equal carries to Mendy, or get a handful of carries every game as a change of pace back. But he will play a fair amount by all indications. That will put a ceiling on Mendenhall's numbers, though I still think Mendy can, and very likely will be, a Top 15 RB going forward.
1) Parker struggles with injury for the forseeable future and Mendenhall remains the starter/primary ball carrier (35% chance)
2) Parker gets healthy and splits carries w/ Mendenhall, w/ Mendenhall getting the majority (30% chance)
3) Parker gets healthy and splits carries w/ Mendenhall, w/ Parker getting the majority (15% chance)
4) It becomes a full blown RBBC, with the Steelers riding the hot hand (not committing to one as the starter, making it difficult for fantasy owners to committ to one over the other), giving the non-starter significant carries and Moore getting a few carries and several catches (15% chance)
5) Parker remains injured/inactive and Moore steals the starting gig from Mendenhall due to poor performance by Mendy (missed blocking assignments, fumbling, etc) (5% chance)
Let's face it, those who think Mendenhall is cemented as the starter for the rest of the year are delusional. I'm not saying it wont happen, but there's no evidence to suggest it's a foregone conclusion. I can almost guarantee you that IF Parker is healthy, he WILL have a role in the offense. I don't know if he will be the de facto starter, get equal carries to Mendy, or get a handful of carries every game as a change of pace back. But he will play a fair amount by all indications. That will put a ceiling on Mendenhall's numbers, though I still think Mendy can, and very likely will be, a Top 15 RB going forward.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
The real question is has Mendenhall earned enough trust with the steelers to use him on more downs than FWP. The article I quoted above states the Steelers are not there yet. So I would give the bolded option a higher probability until more proof from Mendenhall is given to support otherwise.
