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I said what I did based on value(could be 2nd round pick) and think they are all close. If Willis was in a 4-3 I would like him best. I think Poz has the best opportunity based on scheme.What players were taken so far in your draft?
1 Peterson2 Lynch3 C.J.4 Quinn5 J Russell6T GinnI think I am going with Pos he is probably going to be in the best position to make an impact this year and just have a gut feeling about him.Probably not the best way to make a choice but sometimes you have to go with your gut.
Appreciate everybody's willingness to help, but let's keep the team specific issues in the AC subforum please.Thanks.
i like this answer... & the only thing that stands in the way of beason leveling the field in the situation department is morgan's paper mache-sturdy noggin...as to questions about poluzny (which i have shared at times), i think scouts said he looked to regain some of his explosiveness towards the end of the season... forget how he looked at senior bowl in drills... sometimes scouts are divided on players, i think he didn't stand out especially...he did have about a 37"-38" VJ i think, which shows decent explosiveness (especially for his position of MLB... pretty sure willis was higher, maybe closer to 40"?), so he probably isn't too gimpy...i had some concerns about willis in 3-4, but jene is more an authority regarding hard core scheme implications (the game inside the game), & if he is cool with it i trust him implicitly on these matters...anecdotally & film breakdown-wise, i really like how beason tracks the ball carrier... his superior instincts jump off the screen on film (not that the other two are slouches)...agree that beason presents some nice value... & though slightly off topic, if you miss these guys, i like david harris next best in "tier two" LBs, & if things break right he could surprise and put up similar numbers to big three...
Could someone give me the scoop on Beason? I posted the first two rounds of our rookie/free agent draft and got questioned as to why he didn't go off the board in the first two rounds. I didn't see that till the other day but no response so for anyone high on Beason could you give some backing as to why he is mentioned with Willis and Pos? We break our rookie/veteran free agent draft into two parts of two rounds. The first two rounds were a slow draft but the last two rounds are live before the season starts so I'm targeting IDPs for my last couple of picks and was looking for info on Beason. Thanks in advance.Been waiting for this thread this season after last year's Hawk/Sims/Greenway discussion. Let's make it this week's essay question.
Compare and contrast the merits of this season's "Big 3" rookie linebackers. Who would you/have you taken in dynasty leagues and why?
Jon BeasonCould someone give me the scoop on Beason? I posted the first two rounds of our rookie/free agent draft and got questioned as to why he didn't go off the board in the first two rounds. I didn't see that till the other day but no response so for anyone high on Beason could you give some backing as to why he is mentioned with Willis and Pos? We break our rookie/veteran free agent draft into two parts of two rounds. The first two rounds were a slow draft but the last two rounds are live before the season starts so I'm targeting IDPs for my last couple of picks and was looking for info on Beason. Thanks in advance.Been waiting for this thread this season after last year's Hawk/Sims/Greenway discussion. Let's make it this week's essay question.
Compare and contrast the merits of this season's "Big 3" rookie linebackers. Who would you/have you taken in dynasty leagues and why?
I don't trust myself to evaluate players by college tape for various reasons. Many of the scouting reports I rely on (Murphy, Coyle, Bloom) describe Beason as a tough, quick, instinctive backer with excellent range and tackling skills. Most think he takes on blocks and plays bigger than his listed size.My high expectations derive from the high likelihood that Beason inherits the MLB spot soon. The Panthers were praising his ability to play inside and outside immediately after the pick. It will be a minor medical miracle if Dan Morgan lasts any length of time this season and the Panthers have very little invested in him after reworking his contract this offseason. It's not clear from looking at the stat lines of the Panther MLBs since Fox took over because of the frequent turnover from week-to-week. But it's a role that should be good for 90 plus solos behind a very good defensive line. It also won't hurt that the WLB and safety spots are pretty shaky for the foreseeable future. Fox's MLB also are used on a lot of delayed pass rush and run blitzes, and tend to have above average big play potential.You're right in that Beason isn't guaranteed anything yet. But Diggs was re-signed as a hedge IMO. If Beason gets into camp on time, there's no reason he shouldn't start opening weekend on the weak side. The key there will become whether he plays in the nickel package while Morgan is healthy. Depending on how they use Thomas Davis and the safeties, Beason might sit in passing situations initially. More of an odd-man-out situation than talent related.Everyone pimping Beason is (or should be) doing so on the expectation that he will be the MLB at some point. He's not nearly as attractive as an OLB.
See post #12 in this thread, from Jene, and click on his link. It will dispel your concerns about the RILB position that Willis is going to play.Great thread guys, you're making me feel better about my choices at pick 2.01Hope to get Willis, but would be very happy with Poz. Beason seems like the #3 choice to me - great situation, not as talented as Willis or Poz but likely to put up good numbers when Morgan inevitably gets injured.Jene - if I haven't said it before, thanks for all your efforts on 4-3/3-4 LB comparison. It has been a huge asset - wish I had listened to you on Vilma last year!
Thanks for the kind word, but, to be fair, I was a Vilma supporter until I watched the Jets play in Week 2. There were others (esp. Rovers) who were warning that Vilma was a risky top ten pick. I think we all expected Vilma's tackle numbers to drop (less rushing attempts against, less protection from a shaky NT in a 3-4) but I didn't think Vilma would struggle to that extent in the Belichick hybrid -- Andra Davis had done well -- but didn't realize he wasn't playing the same position that Davis was in Cleveland. I'm pretty interested to see how the 3-4 variations turn out this year; there are always new things to be learned. I'm particularly interested to see if Willis follows the trend of other RILB in the Phillips' 3-4.I'm still working on a 3-4 article for later this summer. Unfortunately, the sources I was counting on for RILB/LILB data may not be as reliable as I had hoped. I may end up tabling it until I get an another season's worth of good data.
He looks like a coverage LB to me. Not real big and he doesn't take them down by himself so it looks like if/when Captain Morgan goes down with another concussion that he won't be racking up the solos. 90 solos seems ambitious and right now he seems better suited as a WILL coverage backer with Morgan in the fold. Per Thomas Davis, are they using him as the SAM? He can't be real big but if takes on blockers he would be a great defensive matchup with the TE. They obviously don't need their LBers blitzing with that front four so he could be a great fit in the middle as a coverage LB.I kept hearing about Beason and felt I'd get some meat to justify the buzz but I don't see him as the big hitter ALA Morgan which will prolly make him more durable in the long run and I think he can be a solid NFL MLB. I wouldn't be suprised if he excelled in coverage and that he'll be a good pursuit/stand up-assist tackle if/when he ends up starting at the MIKE LB spot but that doesn't do much for IDP stats in my league.
This has been my biggest concern with Pos from the beginning. There's been every indication that the knee injury isn't an issue and I trust those who have seen him play live and on tape. Still, I can't shake this nagging doubt that Pos isn't the best fit as a drop 15 yards at the snap of the ball Tampa-2 MLB. I'm even more bugged now that someone close to the team is speculating that Keith Ellison or John DiGiorgio might keep Pos on the bench on nickel downs.
Noting the irony that Ryans wasn't part of that discussion yet proved to be leagues better than any of those guys. But since I have no Bama players to pimp, I'll just say Willis. If you have seen him play there's no reason to go into the discussion. I think the other two can be good, but Willis will be great. I'd be surprised if he isn't in the running with Ryans at the end of the year. He will be a monster, no doubt.Been waiting for this thread this season after last year's Hawk/Sims/Greenway discussion. Let's make it this week's essay question.
Compare and contrast the merits of this season's "Big 3" rookie linebackers. Who would you/have you taken in dynasty leagues and why?
Had the discussion happened after June 1st, when the Texans had yet to give Ryans many snaps at MLB (that happened after the veteran mini-camp in early June), Ryans would've gotten as much love in that thread as he did after the move was made.Most of the staffers had Ryans 1st or 2nd overall in their rookie rankings by August 1st, when it began appearing to be a foregone conclusion that he would win the MLB job. Before camp started, he was just as likely to backup the WLB spot than anything else.
While the thread isn't about Crowell this ups his fantasy value even though he is a SAM LB(probably). How this unfolds could be interesting to watch.
Ah, Jene, I was calling Ryans DROY before he ever won the job. Now, I didn't know he would be LB1 in most leagues, but still. Willis has a similar nose for the ball but is a better physical specimen. He was all over the field at Ole Miss and I expect him to lead his teams in tackles and account for a fair amount of sacks and PDs. Too bad he doesn't still have that arm cast he had his sophomore year. You couldn't get anything by him.Anyway, I seriously think he has top five written all over him. It's about time for a changing of the guard at the LB position throughout the league, and I think Willis will be joining Ryans in the new guard sooner rather than later. A top-10 finish this season is IMO very much in reach.
Well, then, you should be on staff.sholditch said:
That's what I've been saying. Seriously though, I had an unfair advantage living in Alabama and being a huge Bama fan. I didn't care what any of the scouts said about him. I had seen this kid play for a long time in a very tough conference and he owned the field every time he stepped on it. I feel the same way about Willis, only this time there aren't scouts talking about his lack of ideal size or speed. I don't think Willis is quite the field general the DeMeco is but then again I don't think there are many out there that are that haven't been in the NFL for a long time. DeMeco's football knowledge was simply out of this world for a rookie, and I'm not sure Willis is quite there, so he may find himself out of position a few times early on leading to missed tackles and opps, but his physical attributes should be able to keep him close to DeMeco's rookie trajectory.Well, then, you should be on staff.sholditch said:
Ryans was discussed in the Hawk/Sims/Greenway thread, see #4 post. I'm with ya on Willis.sholditch said:Noting the irony that Ryans wasn't part of that discussion yet proved to be leagues better than any of those guys. But since I have no Bama players to pimp, I'll just say Willis. If you have seen him play there's no reason to go into the discussion. I think the other two can be good, but Willis will be great. I'd be surprised if he isn't in the running with Ryans at the end of the year. He will be a monster, no doubt.Been waiting for this thread this season after last year's Hawk/Sims/Greenway discussion. Let's make it this week's essay question.
Compare and contrast the merits of this season's "Big 3" rookie linebackers. Who would you/have you taken in dynasty leagues and why?
Ahhh ... (with all due respect) I think that's overhyped, mythical if you will. I'm pretty sure somewhere in this forum this was discussed and If I remember correctly, there were some good points and cases made for the 3-4 ILB.
I'm still in agreement with it myself. There are a few exceptions (D. Edwards) but from my leagues I still see depressed scores by the 3-4 ILBs.That said since the question is who is your choice in a dynasty format, it's still Willis. He's the most talented of the bunch. As a PSU
I really like Pos as well and think he could be one of the next great MLBs. Beason could also be a force if he ends up inside. All in all, the 3 are all very talented and you can't go wrong with any .
Thats all I'm really sayin' ... I expect Willis to be one. Ray Lewis played 3-4 ILB at one time. The good one's will never leave the field, they'll be 15 cent LB's. I mean you can speak in general terms , and say "mike" backers are the one's to go after in a tackle heavy league, but then you have a team like Tennesse that whoever plays "mike", he will be a 2-down backer. There are always exeptions to the rule. I think people will regret passing on Willis simply because he is an inside 3-4 backer. Thus ..the fact that you cannot be productive playing ILB in a 3-4 is a myth.I'm still in agreement with it myself. There are a few exceptions (D. Edwards) but from my leagues I still see depressed scores by the 3-4 ILBs.That said since the question is who is your choice in a dynasty format, it's still Willis. He's the most talented of the bunch. As a PSUI really like Pos as well and think he could be one of the next great MLBs. Beason could also be a force if he ends up inside. All in all, the 3 are all very talented and you can't go wrong with any
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While Willis may be the best player, Pos or Beason could be the best fantasy scoring player.
I couldn't afford to take him at 2.2 in my dynasty draft (got DJ Williams at 3.11) but I'm definitely targeting him in redrafts. He's going to be good. Did you guys catch any of his college career?Rozelle said:Thats all I'm really sayin' ... I expect Willis to be one. Ray Lewis played 3-4 ILB at one time. The good one's will never leave the field, they'll be 15 cent LB's. I mean you can speak in general terms , and say "mike" backers are the one's to go after in a tackle heavy league, but then you have a team like Tennesse that whoever plays "mike", he will be a 2-down backer. There are always exeptions to the rule. I think people will regret passing on Willis simply because he is an inside 3-4 backer. Thus ..the fact that you cannot be productive playing ILB in a 3-4 is a myth.I'm still in agreement with it myself. There are a few exceptions (D. Edwards) but from my leagues I still see depressed scores by the 3-4 ILBs.That said since the question is who is your choice in a dynasty format, it's still Willis. He's the most talented of the bunch. As a PSU
While Willis may be the best player, Pos or Beason could be the best fantasy scoring player.
I'm nt so sure. Willis has some serious skills. How many ILB's run 4.37?
But is anyone really passing up on him ? In my league he was the first rookie LB off the board (5th overall).Rozelle said:Thats all I'm really sayin' ... I expect Willis to be one. Ray Lewis played 3-4 ILB at one time. The good one's will never leave the field, they'll be 15 cent LB's. I mean you can speak in general terms , and say "mike" backers are the one's to go after in a tackle heavy league, but then you have a team like Tennesse that whoever plays "mike", he will be a 2-down backer. There are always exeptions to the rule. I think people will regret passing on Willis simply because he is an inside 3-4 backer. Thus ..the fact that you cannot be productive playing ILB in a 3-4 is a myth.I'm still in agreement with it myself. There are a few exceptions (D. Edwards) but from my leagues I still see depressed scores by the 3-4 ILBs.That said since the question is who is your choice in a dynasty format, it's still Willis. He's the most talented of the bunch. As a PSUI really like Pos as well and think he could be one of the next great MLBs. Beason could also be a force if he ends up inside. All in all, the 3 are all very talented and you can't go wrong with any :( .
While Willis may be the best player, Pos or Beason could be the best fantasy scoring player.
