Willis vs Posluszny vs Beason (1 Viewer)

[Rozelle]

The problem with Willis is that he is playing in a 3-4 that isn't very conducive to fantasy points. I still like him more than the other two.

If Willis was playing in the middle or WLB, this would be a landslide vote IMO.

Ahhh ... (with all due respect) I think that's overhyped, mythical if you will. I'm pretty sure somewhere in this forum this was discussed and If I remember correctly, there were some good points and cases made for the 3-4 ILB.

I'm still in agreement with it myself. There are a few exceptions (D. Edwards) but from my leagues I still see depressed scores by the 3-4 ILBs.That said since the question is who is your choice in a dynasty format, it's still Willis. He's the most talented of the bunch. As a PSU :( I really like Pos as well and think he could be one of the next great MLBs. Beason could also be a force if he ends up inside. All in all, the 3 are all very talented and you can't go wrong with any .

While Willis may be the best player, Pos or Beason could be the best fantasy scoring player.

Thats all I'm really sayin' ... I expect Willis to be one. Ray Lewis played 3-4 ILB at one time. The good one's will never leave the field, they'll be 15 cent LB's. I mean you can speak in general terms , and say "mike" backers are the one's to go after in a tackle heavy league, but then you have a team like Tennesse that whoever plays "mike", he will be a 2-down backer. There are always exeptions to the rule. I think people will regret passing on Willis simply because he is an inside 3-4 backer. Thus ..the fact that you cannot be productive playing ILB in a 3-4 is a myth.

But is anyone really passing up on him ? In my league he was the first rookie LB off the board (5th overall).

I suppose I should have stated that better, passing on Willis for Poz or Beason, in terms of dynasty.

 

[Zoomanji]

The problem with Willis is that he is playing in a 3-4 that isn't very conducive to fantasy points. I still like him more than the other two.

If Willis was playing in the middle or WLB, this would be a landslide vote IMO.

Ahhh ... (with all due respect) I think that's overhyped, mythical if you will. I'm pretty sure somewhere in this forum this was discussed and If I remember correctly, there were some good points and cases made for the 3-4 ILB.

I'm still in agreement with it myself. There are a few exceptions (D. Edwards) but from my leagues I still see depressed scores by the 3-4 ILBs.That said since the question is who is your choice in a dynasty format, it's still Willis. He's the most talented of the bunch. As a PSU I really like Pos as well and think he could be one of the next great MLBs. Beason could also be a force if he ends up inside. All in all, the 3 are all very talented and you can't go wrong with any .

While Willis may be the best player, Pos or Beason could be the best fantasy scoring player.

Thats all I'm really sayin' ... I expect Willis to be one. Ray Lewis played 3-4 ILB at one time. The good one's will never leave the field, they'll be 15 cent LB's. I mean you can speak in general terms , and say "mike" backers are the one's to go after in a tackle heavy league, but then you have a team like Tennesse that whoever plays "mike", he will be a 2-down backer. There are always exeptions to the rule. I think people will regret passing on Willis simply because he is an inside 3-4 backer. Thus ..the fact that you cannot be productive playing ILB in a 3-4 is a myth.

But is anyone really passing up on him ? In my league he was the first rookie LB off the board (5th overall).

I suppose I should have stated that better, passing on Willis for Poz or Beason, in terms of dynasty.

I've done 4 dynasty drafts and in 3 of the 4 it went (In 1 Willis went 2nd and Pos first, and that one was a start-up so maybe the affected it)1- Willis

2-Pos

3- Beason

Well, including two where Timmons went before Beason

 

[lord_helmet]

(Rotoworld) Panthers first-round pick LB Jon Beason is not expected report to training camp on time and isn't close to reaching an agreement on a contract, according to league sources.Impact: The Miami product won't be officially considered a holdout until the first practice on Saturday, and negotiations are expected to continue on Friday.

 

[Rozelle]

Panthers | Beason signs five-year contract

Sun, 5 Aug 2007 08:58:49 -0700

ESPNews reports the Carolina Panthers have signed first-round pick LB Jon Beason to a five-year contract. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

I'd love to pick up Willis, but is anyone sure he's really starting? I know he's ranked higher than Smith, but even FBG has Smith higher on the depth chart. So does San Fran. So who knows? Do you know? If you do know, please tell me. (soon)

 

[Jene Bramel]

I'd love to pick up Willis, but is anyone sure he's really starting? I know he's ranked higher than Smith, but even FBG has Smith higher on the depth chart. So does San Fran. So who knows? Do you know? If you do know, please tell me. (soon)

As of right now, Smith is (apparently) looking good. The plan entering camp was to have Smith play on running downs and Willis in the nickel package. Willis is also playing really well in camp, though. It appears that Smith will start on opening weekend as of today. But Nolan said that it's Smith's job to lose or someone else's to take from him. I just can't see this becoming a Barrett Ruud situation. Willis is too good and the Niners need a big presence in the middle. If he doesn't start Week 1, I can't imagine it'll be long before he's judged more effective than Smith.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

I'd love to pick up Willis, but is anyone sure he's really starting? I know he's ranked higher than Smith, but even FBG has Smith higher on the depth chart. So does San Fran. So who knows? Do you know? If you do know, please tell me. (soon)

As of right now, Smith is (apparently) looking good. The plan entering camp was to have Smith play on running downs and Willis in the nickel package. Willis is also playing really well in camp, though. It appears that Smith will start on opening weekend as of today. But Nolan said that it's Smith's job to lose or someone else's to take from him. I just can't see this becoming a Barrett Ruud situation. Willis is too good and the Niners need a big presence in the middle. If he doesn't start Week 1, I can't imagine it'll be long before he's judged more effective than Smith.

So, do you think Willis is more (or less) of a risk than Poz?

 

[EBF]

The buzz on Willis out of Niner camp has been positively glowing.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

To me, the situation with Willis and the depth chart...and other rookies...is the coaching staff wanting to make them earn the job. I think it's more important to read the reports about how they look rather than the black and white of the depth chart. They didn't draft Willis that high to be a nickle LB. Of course, it depends on how he looks, which is why it is so important to keep up with the camp reports.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I'd love to pick up Willis, but is anyone sure he's really starting? I know he's ranked higher than Smith, but even FBG has Smith higher on the depth chart. So does San Fran. So who knows? Do you know? If you do know, please tell me. (soon)

As of right now, Smith is (apparently) looking good. The plan entering camp was to have Smith play on running downs and Willis in the nickel package. Willis is also playing really well in camp, though. It appears that Smith will start on opening weekend as of today. But Nolan said that it's Smith's job to lose or someone else's to take from him. I just can't see this becoming a Barrett Ruud situation. Willis is too good and the Niners need a big presence in the middle. If he doesn't start Week 1, I can't imagine it'll be long before he's judged more effective than Smith.

So, do you think Willis is more (or less) of a risk than Poz?

I think he's less of a risk. I think he's a better all-around player and a better fit in the nickel. The 3-4 isn't as big a concern to me as others. Poz isn't currently taking first team snaps either but it'll be even more of a shock if he's not starting opening weekend. So, long term, Willis is the safer player for me. Short term, if you're asking who's more likely to start week one, I think it's Poz.I've been taking Willis over Poz in every situation this offseason (redraft or dynasty).

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Aug 8th-

Beason practiced with the first team for the majority of the day. Whenever he took the field, the starting offense often yelled “There’s a rookie out there!”.

Beason was burned badly in coverage, losing his man and giving up a TD during red zone drills.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

I've been taking Willis over Poz in every situation this offseason (redraft or dynasty).

That's all I needed to hear. I took a risk and grabbed him at the 2.26 in my 32 team Dynasty league. First three rounds are "non-keeper" rounds though, but he would've never made it to the 4th round anyway. My next pick would be at 4.17. Thanks for the help. ETA: I'm an Ole Miss homer anyway, so I really wanted him!

 

[KellysHeroes]

2.03... I selected P Willis in my rookie draft.... PP was taken right behind me

 

[bcr8f]

2.03... I selected P Willis in my rookie draft.... PP was taken right behind me

Went at 1.03 and Poz at 1.06 in mine.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

DEFENSE T-A SCK INT FF P. Posluszny 9-0 1.0 0 0 J. DiGiorgio 4-0 0.0 0 0
DiGi started, looked very good. Pos then came in and looked great.

 

[Rozelle]

Pos was impressive

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Pos was impressive

He reminds me a lot of Chris Spielman.

 

[dgreen]

DEFENSE 			 T-A SCK INT FF P. Posluszny 9-0 1.0 0 0 J. DiGiorgio 4-0 0.0 0 0

DiGi started, looked very good. Pos then came in and looked great.

As a Poz owner, I was a bit worried that Di Giorgio was looking good. After that, Poz was everywhere. I believe he had 5 tackles on his first drive. I didn't see him miss any tackles.

 

[lolabukowski]

I've been taking Willis over Poz in every situation this offseason (redraft or dynasty).

Just curious why you have Poz ranked ahead of Willis in the redraft LB rankings if you feel Willis is a better choice in redraft or dynasty.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I've been taking Willis over Poz in every situation this offseason (redraft or dynasty).

Just curious why you have Poz ranked 9th and Willis 17th in the redraft LB rankings if you feel Willis is a better choice in redraft or dynasty.

That post was from August 8th. I moved Willis down and Posluszny up in my last ranking set (8/18) after having them reversed all offseason long. And it figures. After holding him on the second team through the first two preseason games, making it more likely that he'd not move until the season began, the Niners promoted Willis. He'll move back to where I had him (top 12) tonight. Posluszny allayed all my original concerns (see my first post in this thread) about his range and ability to handle the MLB responsibilities in a Tampa-2 defense after watching the Bills first preseason game. He was promoted after the first preseason game. At some point in the preseason, I don't feel comfortable projecting my personnel thoughts onto NFL rosters and have to start going with what looks most likely to happen for the subscribers, which is why Willis dropped and Poz rose. As of last week, *I* would still have taken Willis over Poz in redrafts despite my ranking but that's based on a "go for upside within tiers" philosophy of drafting. It's something I struggle with every time I hit the submit button, but the rankings almost have to show who looks most likely to finish with more fantasy points from top to bottom. In dynasty leagues, now that I've seen Poz looked more than solid against NFL competition, it's an extremely difficult call. I still like Willis' talent just a hair better and I'm only 90% certain Poz plays in the nickel on opening weekend, so I'd still take Willis.

 

[stevegamer]

DEFENSE 			 T-A SCK INT FF P. Posluszny 9-0 1.0 0 0 J. DiGiorgio 4-0 0.0 0 0

DiGi started, looked very good. Pos then came in and looked great.

I have to say, I became quite impressed with DiGiorgio from watching him - I had rostered him as a insurance policy, and he's actually now on my radar as a straight-up player.Probably cutting him - barring a WLB starting gig or something - but he'll be one to watch.

 

[On The Rocks]

I'm only 90% certain Poz plays in the nickel on opening weekend, so I'd still take Willis.

I am closer to 99% certain. Poz has looked a little lost in the nickel (emphasis on little).....taking a second too long to think on some plays, but he is still the best option the Bills have and is only going to get better every week.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I'm only 90% certain Poz plays in the nickel on opening weekend, so I'd still take Willis.

I am closer to 99% certain. Poz has looked a little lost in the nickel (emphasis on little).....taking a second too long to think on some plays, but he is still the best option the Bills have and is only going to get better every week.

Thanks.I'm still a little conflicted about Ellison's better than expected coverage metrics from 2006 and the coaches comments praising his coverage this offseason. But, you're right, having DiGiorgio ahead of Ellison in the nickel in the first preseason game probably means the chance Ellison plays in the nickel is much less than 10%.