Wilson Fined for Hit on Edwards (1 Viewer)

[valhallan]

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ADRIAN WILSON FINED $25,000 FOR TRENT EDWARDS HIT

Posted by Michael David Smith on October 10, 2008, 1:23 p.m. EDT

The NFL has come down hard on Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson for drilling Bills quarterback Trent Edwards on Sunday.

Per Adam Schefter of NFL Network, Wilson was fined $25,000 for roughing the passer.

Although Wilson wasn’t penalized on the play, which occurred directly in front of referee Jerome Boger, Schefter reports that the NFL told Wilson he unnecessarily drove the passer to the ground, violating Rule 12, Section 2, Article 12 (2) of the NFL Official Playing Rules.

That rule states: “a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player’s arms.”

And if Wilson thinks that fine is steep, Schefter reports that it could be even worse: The league noted in its letter to Wilson that he was fined twice in 2007, once for a late hit and once for a horse collar tackle, and that “future infractions can lead to increased disciplinary action.”

 

[The Jacket]

Pathetic.

Obviously Wilson should've ran around him just as he was releasing the ball. It's not like he wants to impede his throwing lane/motion or anything.

 

[footballnerd]

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 12 (2) of the NFL Official Playing Rules, which states that “a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player’s arms.

Talk about babying the QB's!! Should he have warmed up some formula and swaddled him too??

That was a totally normal hit in stride. The only reason Edwards went down so hard is because he hopped up into the air right before the hit.

 

[valhallan]

I think the problem is that he left his feet and made no attempt to break his fall on anything other than Edwards chest.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

The hit looked like football to me. The fine is ridiculous.

 

[footballnerd]

I think the problem is that he left his feet and made no attempt to break his fall on anything other than Edwards chest.

That's nothing different than a hit placed on a WR, RB or blocker that does not warrant a fine. Let's just put a redshirt on all the QBs then and start playing two hand touch.

 

[EthnicFury]

yeah if Wilson goes easy at him and he gets away Wilson ends up looking like the goat

I agreed with the fine for the hit on Boldin, and I really like Trent Edwards, but this is ridiculous...

 

[valhallan]

I think the problem is that he left his feet and made no attempt to break his fall on anything other than Edwards chest.

That's nothing different than a hit placed on a WR, RB or blocker that does not warrant a fine. Let's just put a redshirt on all the QBs then and start playing two hand touch.

I haven't seen very many hits where a defensive player leaves his feet and lands his entire weight on a RB or WR's chest. I'm fairly certain that would result in injury and fine as well.ETA: I'm talking landing on the ground, not when a player is hit upright. There's a big difference between a defensive player driving his weight when there's nothing behind the offensive player and when the weight is driven in a player who has solid ground on the other side.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It was a clean hit. He never really left his feet. Edwards jumping up when he threw the ball is why it looked bad. Lame fine.

 

[bucsbaby]

I'm not going to say the hit deserves the fine, but I don't like the look of how Wilson comes crashing down helmet-to-helmet on Edwards. In general, I feel like there is too much helmet-to-helmet going on in the NFL these days.

Helmet->Helmet<-Ground = Concussion

 

[Football Jones]

Wilson deliberately put extra effort into nailing Edwards to the ground. That's pretty clear. I don't think he necessarily meant to hurt him, but not doubt there was intent to drive him into the turf (mostly by pushing his helmet into Edwards' helmet).

 

[GroveDiesel]

You guys are crazy. He clearly drives Edwards into the ground using his upper body. You can tell that he's trying to drive him into the ground by watching how his body arches as he rotates his momentum. That's the form of a guy trying to drive a QB's upper body into the turf.

 

[Football Jones]

You guys are crazy. He clearly drives Edwards into the ground using his upper body. You can tell that he's trying to drive him into the ground by watching how his body arches as he rotates his momentum. That's the form of a guy trying to drive a QB's upper body into the turf.

Exactly. I'd like to think it wasn't done with intent to harm, but this was an easy call by the league.

 

[T Bell]

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 12 (2) of the NFL Official Playing Rules, which states that “a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player’s arms.

Talk about babying the QB's!! Should he have warmed up some formula and swaddled him too??

That was a totally normal hit in stride. The only reason Edwards went down so hard is because he hopped up into the air right before the hit.

Nothing remotely flagrant about that hit. I hate how much the NFL is turning this into a touch football league.

 

[T Bell]

You guys are crazy. He clearly drives Edwards into the ground using his upper body. You can tell that he's trying to drive him into the ground by watching how his body arches as he rotates his momentum. That's the form of a guy trying to drive a QB's upper body into the turf.

LULZ TRENT! SRY 4 NO CRADLE!

 

[IvanKaramazov]

You guys are crazy. He clearly drives Edwards into the ground using his upper body. You can tell that he's trying to drive him into the ground by watching how his body arches as he rotates his momentum. That's the form of a guy trying to drive a QB's upper body into the turf.

Driving the QB into the ground was specifically made illegal several years ago. Seems like a no-brainer. It would have been nice to get a flag on the play, but it's not like that would have made any difference in the outcome of the game.

 

[valhallan]

You guys are crazy. He clearly drives Edwards into the ground using his upper body. You can tell that he's trying to drive him into the ground by watching how his body arches as he rotates his momentum. That's the form of a guy trying to drive a QB's upper body into the turf.

Driving the QB into the ground was specifically made illegal several years ago. Seems like a no-brainer. It would have been nice to get a flag on the play, but it's not like that would have made any difference in the outcome of the game.

Hear, hear. I don't really understand why anyone has a problem with this fine. Would they rather have had a flag during the game on a questionable call? The only person being hurt by this now is Adrian Wilson, and rightfully so.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'm surprised by this. Looked like a clean hit to me. He was completely unblocked on the play and it looked like the damage came from Edwards hitting the ground. Was a tough break for the Bills but that's football.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Wilson deliberately put extra effort into nailing Edwards to the ground. That's pretty clear. I don't think he necessarily meant to hurt him, but not doubt there was intent to drive him into the turf (mostly by pushing his helmet into Edwards' helmet).

The clip from above doesn't show it, but even after Wilson drove every pound of his on to Edwards he even dug his helmet in Edwards while he was laying on the ground. Wilson was clearly trying to hurt Edwards on that play.The problem is, he will gladly take that fine. That money is not that big of a deal. Besides, every player on his team should pitch in and help him pay it because if it weren't for that hit the Bills would have won the game. Every single Bills player knew they were screwed as soon a J.P. came into the game and it showed by the way they played. Trent staying in the game = Bills win.

 

[The Jacket]

Trent staying in the game = Bills win.

:IBTL:

 

[GoBills02]

Wilson deliberately put extra effort into nailing Edwards to the ground. That's pretty clear. I don't think he necessarily meant to hurt him, but not doubt there was intent to drive him into the turf (mostly by pushing his helmet into Edwards' helmet).

The clip from above doesn't show it, but even after Wilson drove every pound of his on to Edwards he even dug his helmet in Edwards while he was laying on the ground. Wilson was clearly trying to hurt Edwards on that play.The problem is, he will gladly take that fine. That money is not that big of a deal. Besides, every player on his team should pitch in and help him pay it because if it weren't for that hit the Bills would have won the game. Every single Bills player knew they were screwed as soon a J.P. came into the game and it showed by the way they played. Trent staying in the game = Bills win.

Not to hijack, but Trent getting hurt had a direct impact on the Bills D to generate any pass rush. :IBTL:

 

[Lobary]

I absolutely agree with the posters who think the fine was deserved. Fat Albert Haynesworth pulled the same crap on Matt Schaub last year. Haynesworth wrapped up Schaub and deliberately fell on top of him with all of his weight, without trying to take any evasive action. All the defender has to do is slightly roll his body over the quarterback or let go of him. I understand why many fans see a play like this and think "hey, that's football," but the fact remains that the NFL has this rule in place for a reason.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Trent staying in the game = Bills win.

Why is that so funny? Are the Cards some kind of force that it would be hard to believe that the undefeated Bills would beat them? Did you watch the game? As soon as Trent went down it was if every player thought to themselves, "well there goes that game...". It was obvious that the team morale took a huge hit once J.P. stepped on the field.The Bills with Trent in are three times the team the Cards are.

 

[two_dollars]

bring out the red scrimmage jerseys!

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Trent staying in the game = Bills win.

Why is that so funny? Are the Cards some kind of force that it would be hard to believe that the undefeated Bills would beat them? Did you watch the game? As soon as Trent went down it was if every player thought to themselves, "well there goes that game...". It was obvious that the team morale took a huge hit once J.P. stepped on the field.The Bills with Trent in are three times the team the Cards are.

I'm not saying the Bills would have won, but it DEFINITELY would have been a different game. Some people just don't realize how one big play, or losing one key player can affect the entire team/game.As for the fine, it should have been a suspension. Helmet to helmet, and driving the QB into the ground. Both illegal.

 

[shakeybarn]

Kinda a lame fine. But Wilson is a poor man's Roy Williams. Better to keep these guys honest when you are wrapped on a QB, vs having at it. I think of how much Roy Will got away with.... the league is on the cautious side at this point.

It's a QB standing there, not a 225 half back bursting between the tackles.

 

[shakeybarn]

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 12 (2) of the NFL Official Playing Rules, which states that “a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player’s arms.

Talk about babying the QB's!! Should he have warmed up some formula and swaddled him too??

That was a totally normal hit in stride. The only reason Edwards went down so hard is because he hopped up into the air right before the hit.

guessing you get off to the Tuesday morning injury report, too....

 

[shakeybarn]

The Bills with Trent in are three times the team the Cards are.

First, my disclosure, I thought the Bills would be this years surprise team... but more like a 10-6 eek in surprise team (which they will be).Second... wow... don't inhale so much. The Jacksonville was nice, but they are a 2-3 team, and upsets happen. But 41 pts... on an early (perhaps too early) vaunted Bills D... is enough. 3x the team. So Trent would kept the Cards on longer... so they score only ... 21... and the Bills put up 56+.... it's figurative speaking. But dude.. the Bills are 3x the Cards. Easy tigre... it's early.

 

[PatrickT]

I thought the hit was completely fine. Shoulder to chest, wrapped up, hit as he released, not late.

This ain't tiddlywinks.

 

[shakeybarn]

I thought the hit was completely fine. Shoulder to chest, wrapped up, hit as he released, not late.This ain't tiddlywinks.

Have to realize, there has been numerous guidance communicae on standing QBs and the circumstance thereof. There's a ton of example of taking down a QB accordingly. This, in their eyes, was not one of them. Second, given Wilson's track record. They might even be getting back fo something they missed or shoulda nailed him for (wrong, but eh).Kinda like a criminal who just robbed a store, and the police catch up and he stops. They still tackle him and rough em up a bit I suppose. After all, the robber committed a crime (after all the QB sat in the pocket, and it is football)... [an exercise in devil's advocacy]

 

[PatrickT]

I thought the hit was completely fine. Shoulder to chest, wrapped up, hit as he released, not late.This ain't tiddlywinks.

Have to realize, there has been numerous guidance communicae on standing QBs and the circumstance thereof. There's a ton of example of taking down a QB accordingly. This, in their eyes, was not one of them. Second, given Wilson's track record. They might even be getting back fo something they missed or shoulda nailed him for (wrong, but eh).Kinda like a criminal who just robbed a store, and the police catch up and he stops. They still tackle him and rough em up a bit I suppose. After all, the robber committed a crime (after all the QB sat in the pocket, and it is football)... [an exercise in devil's advocacy]

If he's got a record, ok, I'll buy that. Hadn't seen that in this thread. And I know about the emphasis. But really, based on this incident as a standalone event, this is the epitome of putting a skirt on the QB. Feel bad for Trent, best wishes for a quick recovery (and I sincerely mean that), but I would bet dollars to donuts Trent would be the first to tell you that this is football, and that's the how this game is played.EDITED for rum induced typos.

 

[Lobary]

I thought the hit was completely fine. Shoulder to chest, wrapped up, hit as he released, not late.This ain't tiddlywinks.

Read the rule. Wilson did exactly what the NFL rulemakers outlawed.

 

[JAA]

Should have been a bigger fine

 

[Jackal King]

Looked like a clean shot to me. And...I have no doubt that had Favre taken that hit...he'd have taken the next snap.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Looked like a clean shot to me. And...I have no doubt that had Favre taken that hit...he'd have taken the next snap.

Favre is immune to concussions or his team's medical staff lets him play through them?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Im a bills fan, and i think the fine is justified, but the rule is pretty stupid.

 

[T Bell]

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 12 (2) of the NFL Official Playing Rules, which states that “a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up or cradle the passer with the defensive player’s arms.

Talk about babying the QB's!! Should he have warmed up some formula and swaddled him too??

That was a totally normal hit in stride. The only reason Edwards went down so hard is because he hopped up into the air right before the hit.

No, but now that you mention it, it isn't any shorter than it used to be with all these mamby pamby rules to protect players.

 

[Da Guru]

The hit looked like football to me. The fine is ridiculous.

Actually it looked like he took it easy on him, he could have really pile drived him into the turf.Shocked there was a fine at all.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Looked like a clean shot to me. And...I have no doubt that had Favre taken that hit...he'd have taken the next snap.

Well, I've seen a TON of completely ignorant, or idiotic posts over the years, but I think this one officially takes the cake. I sincerely hope this is fishing, but I get the sense it's not. I suppose I could see an argument that if it was Culpepper, or Russell he may be ok, since those guys are so much bigger, but Favre would have been driven* into the turf, after helmet-to-helmet** hit, just as Trent was.* - Illegal** - Illegal

 

[Ghost Rider]

Trent staying in the game = Bills win.

Why is that so funny? Are the Cards some kind of force that it would be hard to believe that the undefeated Bills would beat them? Did you watch the game? As soon as Trent went down it was if every player thought to themselves, "well there goes that game...". It was obvious that the team morale took a huge hit once J.P. stepped on the field.The Bills with Trent in are three times the team the Cards are.

If the Bills actually said, "There goes the game," when Edwards went down, then they are not mentally tough, and they certainly are not three times the team the Cardinals are (or any other team is).

 

[Jackal King]

Looked like a clean shot to me. And...I have no doubt that had Favre taken that hit...he'd have taken the next snap.

Well, I've seen a TON of completely ignorant, or idiotic posts over the years, but I think this one officially takes the cake. I sincerely hope this is fishing, but I get the sense it's not. I suppose I could see an argument that if it was Culpepper, or Russell he may be ok, since those guys are so much bigger, but Favre would have been driven* into the turf, after helmet-to-helmet** hit, just as Trent was.* - Illegal** - Illegal

I never implied he wouldn't have been driven into the ground. I simply suggested that he'd likely have gotten up and continued to play.Big does not always equate to tough.

 

[valhallan]

I absolutely agree with the posters who think the fine was deserved. Fat Albert Haynesworth pulled the same crap on Matt Schaub last year. Haynesworth wrapped up Schaub and deliberately fell on top of him with all of his weight, without trying to take any evasive action. All the defender has to do is slightly roll his body over the quarterback or let go of him. I understand why many fans see a play like this and think "hey, that's football," but the fact remains that the NFL has this rule in place for a reason.

 

[encaitar]

Trent staying in the game = Bills win.

Why is that so funny? Are the Cards some kind of force that it would be hard to believe that the undefeated Bills would beat them? Did you watch the game? As soon as Trent went down it was if every player thought to themselves, "well there goes that game...". It was obvious that the team morale took a huge hit once J.P. stepped on the field.The Bills with Trent in are three times the team the Cards are.

If the Bills actually said, "There goes the game," when Edwards went down, then they are not mentally tough, and they certainly are not three times the team the Cardinals are (or any other team is).

I was going to post the same thing. If the Bills get completely disheartened because of one injury, then they'll never win anything come playoff time. A great football team would've played harder if something like that happened to their QB.BTW... I thought the hit was legal. Wilson had his head up and Edwards left his feet, meaning there was no resistance. Tough to judge a person's intent, but I would've left it alone.(No fine) It's pretty sad that a hit like that is now considered illegal in the NFL.

 

[Lash]

i am no fan of the over-the-top protection for QBs...

but this easily was a player that used excessive force when it wasn't needed, he grinded his helmet into Edwards after the hit - (another poster above pointed out the lil extra hot sauce added by AWilson got clipped from the youtube vid so if you guys are basing your opinion on the youtube vid you are being slightly mislead)

clearly dirty, clearly intent to injure, clearly a fine was needed, and being a past offender just makes it easier on the league

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Trent staying in the game = Bills win.

Why is that so funny? Are the Cards some kind of force that it would be hard to believe that the undefeated Bills would beat them? Did you watch the game? As soon as Trent went down it was if every player thought to themselves, "well there goes that game...". It was obvious that the team morale took a huge hit once J.P. stepped on the field.The Bills with Trent in are three times the team the Cards are.

If the Bills actually said, "There goes the game," when Edwards went down, then they are not mentally tough, and they certainly are not three times the team the Cardinals are (or any other team is).

I was going to post the same thing. If the Bills get completely disheartened because of one injury, then they'll never win anything come playoff time. A great football team would've played harder if something like that happened to their QB.BTW... I thought the hit was legal. Wilson had his head up and Edwards left his feet, meaning there was no resistance. Tough to judge a person's intent, but I would've left it alone.(No fine) It's pretty sad that a hit like that is now considered illegal in the NFL.

Have either of you ever played a team sport before in your lives? Something tells me you haven't...But let's just take you inabilty to understand certain things and just ask you to open your eyes. Things like that happen all the time in the NFL. One play can change even the best players morale. Happens at every level of the game.

 

[PatrickT]

I thought the hit was completely fine. Shoulder to chest, wrapped up, hit as he released, not late.This ain't tiddlywinks.

Read the rule. Wilson did exactly what the NFL rulemakers outlawed.

I didn't say it wasn't against the rule. I don't like the rule. And a lot of actual football players don't like a lot of them either. I hear former players talk all the time about this.