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http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/sports/16755581.htm

Winslow recovery will take months

Type of knee surgery isn't always successful

By Patrick McManamon

Beacon Journal sportswriter

INDIANAPOLIS - Kellen Winslow's comeback from offseason knee surgery will be quite a bit more involved than first impressions indicated.

Winslow, a Browns tight end, had microfracture surgery on his right knee Jan. 30, a process that takes four months to rehab.

The surgery is delicate, and although results have improved, it has not always been successful.

Microfracture surgery replaces damaged or lost cartilage. Small holes are drilled in the knee bone to promote blood flow. Scar tissue forms, replacing the damaged cartilage.

The procedure takes 30 minutes (according to Wikipedia) and is performed arthroscopically, but it requires the patient to use crutches for six to eight weeks and prohibits strenuous athletic activity for four months.

Although some athletes -- notably basketball players -- have come back as good as new, some football players have not.

Former NFL running back Terrell Davis' microfracture surgery did not help him, but his was a last-gasp operation.

Former Browns defensive end Courtney Brown had microfracture surgery and was never the same.

Carolina Panthers running back DeShaun Foster has come back well, but a teammate, receiver Patrick Jeffers, did not play again.

In basketball, Amare Stoudemire of the Phoenix Suns and Jason Kidd of the New Jersey Nets are among those who have played at a top level after microfracture surgery.

That Winslow needed the procedure showed what he played through last season, when he tied a Browns record with 89 receptions.

Winslow continually said he was playing on one knee. Now it's evident why -- his right knee's cartilage essentially was missing by season's end.

The injury and procedure are just further damage to a knee that Winslow wrecked in a motorcycle accident in May 2005. He also suffered from a staph infection after the surgery to repair a torn ligament in the knee.

Winslow came back to play well last season. He conceded that he will never be what he was before the accident, but he contended that 90 percent of him is better than any other tight end in the league.

General Manager Phil Savage said Tuesday that the team expects Winslow to be back full-go by June or July, which should make him available for training camp if his knee responds.

Savage, who did not detail the microfracture procedure, said it's not known whether Winslow will take part in the team's June mini camp.
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coolnerd said:
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/sports/16755581.htm

Winslow recovery will take months

Type of knee surgery isn't always successful

By Patrick McManamon

Beacon Journal sportswriter

INDIANAPOLIS - Kellen Winslow's comeback from offseason knee surgery will be quite a bit more involved than first impressions indicated.

Winslow, a Browns tight end, had microfracture surgery on his right knee Jan. 30, a process that takes four months to rehab.

The surgery is delicate, and although results have improved, it has not always been successful.

Microfracture surgery replaces damaged or lost cartilage. Small holes are drilled in the knee bone to promote blood flow. Scar tissue forms, replacing the damaged cartilage.

The procedure takes 30 minutes (according to Wikipedia) and is performed arthroscopically, but it requires the patient to use crutches for six to eight weeks and prohibits strenuous athletic activity for four months.

Although some athletes -- notably basketball players -- have come back as good as new, some football players have not.

Former NFL running back Terrell Davis' microfracture surgery did not help him, but his was a last-gasp operation.

Former Browns defensive end Courtney Brown had microfracture surgery and was never the same.

Carolina Panthers running back DeShaun Foster has come back well, but a teammate, receiver Patrick Jeffers, did not play again.

In basketball, Amare Stoudemire of the Phoenix Suns and Jason Kidd of the New Jersey Nets are among those who have played at a top level after microfracture surgery.

That Winslow needed the procedure showed what he played through last season, when he tied a Browns record with 89 receptions.

Winslow continually said he was playing on one knee. Now it's evident why -- his right knee's cartilage essentially was missing by season's end.

The injury and procedure are just further damage to a knee that Winslow wrecked in a motorcycle accident in May 2005. He also suffered from a staph infection after the surgery to repair a torn ligament in the knee.

Winslow came back to play well last season. He conceded that he will never be what he was before the accident, but he contended that 90 percent of him is better than any other tight end in the league.

General Manager Phil Savage said Tuesday that the team expects Winslow to be back full-go by June or July, which should make him available for training camp if his knee responds.

Savage, who did not detail the microfracture procedure, said it's not known whether Winslow will take part in the team's June mini camp.
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Thanks coolnerd. Will be interesting.J

 
If I was a college athlete, I'd be seriously scared that I was going to be drafted by the Browns.

Instead of holding up a jersey at the draft, they should hold up a smock.

 
Not to :honda: you - this was reported in the Cleveland Browns thread earlier (different article though)

 
And the hits just keep on coming for the Browns. Browns fans would probably feel lucky if the team left again at this point.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
If I was a college athlete, I'd be seriously scared that I was going to be drafted by the Browns.Instead of holding up a jersey at the draft, they should hold up a smock.
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They should just go ahead and put the entire Browns team on the cover of Madden. :shrug:
 
msommer said:
Not to :honda: you - this was reported in the Cleveland Browns thread earlier (different article though)
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I am not one to start many threads, although even if I had seen it I would probably argue that this is big enough news for separate discussion, but thanks for the heads up. Just looked and it may have also been on the news blog before I posted this thread.
 
I had to check the date of this to make sure I wasn't reading an old thread. It is unbelievable how the Browns just continue to get bad new on top of bad news.

 
The Browns are like Pet Semetary. You bring something back from the dead and you're asking for it to go horribly wrong.

 
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And Winslow's current fantasy value just fell through the floor.
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And I'd be quick to snap him up if that were the case.It's kind of like the stock market. Initial reaction to any news is much worse than the news actually is. There's been plenty of research done--it's just human nature.Take advantage of it when you can.
 
Keys Myaths said:
fruity pebbles said:
And Winslow's current fantasy value just fell through the floor.
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And I'd be quick to snap him up if that were the case.It's kind of like the stock market. Initial reaction to any news is much worse than the news actually is. There's been plenty of research done--it's just human nature.Take advantage of it when you can.
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Risky! Microfracture surgery is nothing to sneeze at. Man has no cartilage left in one of his knees.
 
fruity pebbles said:
Keys Myaths said:
fruity pebbles said:
And Winslow's current fantasy value just fell through the floor.
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And I'd be quick to snap him up if that were the case.It's kind of like the stock market. Initial reaction to any news is much worse than the news actually is. There's been plenty of research done--it's just human nature.Take advantage of it when you can.
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Risky! Microfracture surgery is nothing to sneeze at. Man has no cartilage left in one of his knees.
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Of course it's risky. That's not the point.The point is, the risk has a certain cost. I'm arguing the cost goes SO far down when news like this hits that it's *well* worth the risk if you get him cheap enough (and you can, because of human psychology, proven through the stock market).
 
Keys Myaths said:
fruity pebbles said:
Keys Myaths said:
fruity pebbles said:
And Winslow's current fantasy value just fell through the floor.
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And I'd be quick to snap him up if that were the case.It's kind of like the stock market. Initial reaction to any news is much worse than the news actually is. There's been plenty of research done--it's just human nature.Take advantage of it when you can.
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Risky! Microfracture surgery is nothing to sneeze at. Man has no cartilage left in one of his knees.
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Of course it's risky. That's not the point.The point is, the risk has a certain cost. I'm arguing the cost goes SO far down when news like this hits that it's *well* worth the risk if you get him cheap enough (and you can, because of human psychology, proven through the stock market).
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People were expecting a top 10-15 WR before the news hit. Not sure his value is going to go so far down as to make the risk worth the price. People also like to hold on to falling stocks hoping they'll rebound to prvious highs.
 
Selfishly speaking, does this bump up Edwards value? He looked great when I watched him, at least when the coach let him play, easily the best player on their offense. If Winslow isn't healthy enough to snap up 90 receptions, Edwards could do well.

 
fruity pebbles said:
Keys Myaths said:
fruity pebbles said:
Keys Myaths said:
fruity pebbles said:
And Winslow's current fantasy value just fell through the floor.
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And I'd be quick to snap him up if that were the case.It's kind of like the stock market. Initial reaction to any news is much worse than the news actually is. There's been plenty of research done--it's just human nature.Take advantage of it when you can.
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Risky! Microfracture surgery is nothing to sneeze at. Man has no cartilage left in one of his knees.
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Of course it's risky. That's not the point.The point is, the risk has a certain cost. I'm arguing the cost goes SO far down when news like this hits that it's *well* worth the risk if you get him cheap enough (and you can, because of human psychology, proven through the stock market).
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People were expecting a top 10-15 WR before the news hit. Not sure his value is going to go so far down as to make the risk worth the price. People also like to hold on to falling stocks hoping they'll rebound to prvious highs.
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Some people, sure. But research and psychology shows, in a general sense, that people overreact and sell too low in cases like this.
 
stbugs said:
Selfishly speaking, does this bump up Edwards value? He looked great when I watched him, at least when the coach let him play, easily the best player on their offense. If Winslow isn't healthy enough to snap up 90 receptions, Edwards could do well.
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This is very true.
 
Just saw this myself. Posted in a thread a month or so ago immediately after the surgery that two "clean-outs" after an ACL surgery was a little worrisome but was glad no one had mentioned the word "microfracture" despite Winslow himself noting the poor state of the cartilage in that knee.

Microfracture surgery is better than it was -- Willie Anderson and DeShaun Foster have had much better results than had Tony Brackens, Andre Wadsworth, Eric Swann, etc. Kenechi Udeze hasn't gotten back to his prior level of explosiveness (which was a little questionable anyway, granted) after his microfracture procedure a couple seasons ago. Amare Stoudamire looks to be doing well, although he had a prolonged recovery period.

Others have posted in other threads that they'd take 90% of Winslow in a heartbeat, but I'd be very, very worried about a player who relies on quickness and power post microfracture surgery. Stephen Davis did okay briefly, but was more of a power guy than quicks guy. Wikipedia cites recent studies that give a 75-80% success rate for the surgery. I don't know what the success rate for a professional athlete would be, but I'd guess it's lower in terms of recovering to pre-surgical health. And most would probably agree that, despite continued advances, microfracture surgery is still not a long term fix for a professional athlete that continues to subject his knee to unusual amounts of stress.

 
The injury and the need to get microfracture surgery destroyed Penny Hardaway, arguably the 2nd best player in the NBA in the mid-90's. He was amazing in his prime.

Antonio McDyess was a beast, pre-surgery

Chris Webber could dunk, pre-surgery

Amare is not back at the level he was at when he humiliated Tim Duncan in the '05 playoffs. Hopefully he'll get there.

Good luck KW2

From The U!

 
Two thoughts come to mind:

1. Cleveland is snakebit on injuries. It's been this way since they returned to the NFL. I feel bad for their fans because this is out of their control. Two of their most important players are jepordizning the Brown's 2007 season. If Winslow misses time or isn't 100% for a few games then that hurts but also Bentley is going to hurt even more so because he affects everything they do.

2. Winslow might not be in this situation if he hadn't played loose during the offseason. I don't know if he'd be in this situation or not if for the motorcycle accident. Maybe he wouldn't but he clearly did not have his future in mind when he crashed and became injured. That accident may be a big part of how his career goes from here. In fact the careers of Frye and others are being impacted as well. Too bad he didn't feel it prudent to think before his joy ride.

Again, I feel bad for all the Brown's fans.

 
A number of ppl have pointed out how jinx browns' players are so my question is if they do draft AD will ppl not draft him in the top 3 of their rookie drafts? Personally if he ends up in Cleveland I'd go after lynch or cj and if I can't get either on of those guys I'd trade down. AD is an incredible talent but the browns o-line sucks and now who knows how much of a passing game there will be to keep defenses from putting eight or nine guys in the box

 
JaxBill said:
FWIW, former Jags DE Tony Brackens had microfracture surgery and was never the same. Although this article is a few years old, it refers to microfracture surgery as a last resort -

http://staugustine.com/sports/stories/0823...g_2530612.shtml
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You can add Steve Yzerman to that too.Also Courtney Brown had it, and he's still had problems here and there from it.

Terrell Davis is a little misleading since there was way more going on with that knee before hand and the only reason they did the microfracture was so that he could live a normal life after football.

They have been able to do it better in recent years, but still is a very major and risky operation.

 
Joe Bryant said:
coolnerd said:
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/sports/16755581.htm

Winslow recovery will take months

Type of knee surgery isn't always successful

By Patrick McManamon

Beacon Journal sportswriter

INDIANAPOLIS - Kellen Winslow's comeback from offseason knee surgery will be quite a bit more involved than first impressions indicated.

Winslow, a Browns tight end, had microfracture surgery on his right knee Jan. 30, a process that takes four months to rehab.

The surgery is delicate, and although results have improved, it has not always been successful.

Microfracture surgery replaces damaged or lost cartilage. Small holes are drilled in the knee bone to promote blood flow. Scar tissue forms, replacing the damaged cartilage.

The procedure takes 30 minutes (according to Wikipedia) and is performed arthroscopically, but it requires the patient to use crutches for six to eight weeks and prohibits strenuous athletic activity for four months.

Although some athletes -- notably basketball players -- have come back as good as new, some football players have not.

Former NFL running back Terrell Davis' microfracture surgery did not help him, but his was a last-gasp operation.

Former Browns defensive end Courtney Brown had microfracture surgery and was never the same.

Carolina Panthers running back DeShaun Foster has come back well, but a teammate, receiver Patrick Jeffers, did not play again.

In basketball, Amare Stoudemire of the Phoenix Suns and Jason Kidd of the New Jersey Nets are among those who have played at a top level after microfracture surgery.

That Winslow needed the procedure showed what he played through last season, when he tied a Browns record with 89 receptions.

Winslow continually said he was playing on one knee. Now it's evident why -- his right knee's cartilage essentially was missing by season's end.

The injury and procedure are just further damage to a knee that Winslow wrecked in a motorcycle accident in May 2005. He also suffered from a staph infection after the surgery to repair a torn ligament in the knee.

Winslow came back to play well last season. He conceded that he will never be what he was before the accident, but he contended that 90 percent of him is better than any other tight end in the league.

General Manager Phil Savage said Tuesday that the team expects Winslow to be back full-go by June or July, which should make him available for training camp if his knee responds.

Savage, who did not detail the microfracture procedure, said it's not known whether Winslow will take part in the team's June mini camp.
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Thanks coolnerd. Will be interesting.J
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if he wasn't such a self-centered big headed athlete, you'd almost feel bad for the guy. he went through a lot of turmoil as a rookie and again in '05 , and finally had a breakout year in 2006, and now this..it is sad, really.he is a great athlete.I'd like to see more of what he can do!

 
Microfracture surgery in a way is damaging the knee so that it will trigger the healing process by allowing blood to flow. It's an odd type of surgery. As you can see from the other players mentioned in this thread it's no guarantee it gets better.

It's also a pretty good bet that it's not as strong and his career will not be a long one.

Wayyyy better stated here

http://orthopedics.about.com/od/hipknee/a/microfracture.htm

 
Cleveland Browns general manager Phil Savage estimates TE Kellen Winslow Jr. (knee) will miss up to six months after undergoing microfracture surgery in late January. Savage says Winslow will be ready for training camp.

from KFFL

 
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