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fridayfrenzy

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With the Branch trade, does this make the Seattle WR corps the best in the league??

I am talking as a whole, not starting WRs or the #1 and #2 WRs.

Seattle WRs

Darrell Jackson

Deion Branch

Bobby Engram

Nate Burleson

DJ Hackett

What other teams are comparable to Seattle for their WR corps?

 
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No, Burleson has been a big disapointment,

DJax can't seem to heal from the knee injury.

Engram is over-rated, Branch has never had a 1000 yard season.

Lots of potential, but not the best WR group in the NFL.

 
In my opinion, none of these guys have been consistent. Nate Burlson is WAY overrated, and DJ Hackett does not see a lot of time of the field, so lets get those guys out of the way.

Engram excells at catching the ball and getting yards, but hardly ever sniffs paydirt, DJAX can't stay healthy and is not getting any younger, and Branch I believe is their best receiver now.

That being said, hands down, the best receiving corp goes to....

The Indianapolis Colts

WR Harrison (always consistent)

WR Wayne (will just keep getting better)

WR Stokely (argueably best 3rd WR in football)

TE Clark

I'm not saying the Seahawks don't have a nice set of WR's. Just not THE best..

 
fridayfrenzy said:
With the Branch trade, does this make the Seattle WR corps the best in the league??

I am talking as a whole, not starting WRs or the #1 and #2 WRs.

Seattle WRs

Darrell Jackson

Deion Branch

Bobby Engram

Nate Burleson

DJ Hackett

What other teams are comparable to Seattle for their WR corps?
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ARIZONA:Fitzgerald

Boldin

B. Johnson

T Walters (TD wk 1)

2 of the top 10 and 2 more that produce. Can't beat that except maybe with Indy!

 
This is just a silly post. What does it matter if the #5 WR on the seahawks is better than the #5 on another team.

Starters should be the only point of contention and I can think of 3 teams better:

Indy

Arizona

Cincy

 
Zona & Indy for sure.

Heck, Dallas has a much better 1-2 punch and Patrick Crayton has shown some signs that he could become a valuable WR.

 
I think the Bengals actually have this hands down. I'd take their top 3 over any other top 3 in the league and they have some decent guys at 4 & 5 as well.

Chad Johnson

TJ Houshmandzadeh

Chris Henry

Tad Perry

Kelley Washington

 
Jayrod said:
I think the Bengals actually have this hands down. I'd take their top 3 over any other top 3 in the league and they have some decent guys at 4 & 5 as well.Chad JohnsonTJ HoushmandzadehChris HenryTad PerryKelley Washington
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This is the correct answer. It's Tab btw ;)
 
pizzatyme said:
This is just a silly post. What does it matter if the #5 WR on the seahawks is better than the #5 on another team.Starters should be the only point of contention and I can think of 3 teams better:IndyArizonaCincy
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Add Dallas to this list and you have the complete list.
 
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BassNBrew said:
Now for the correct answer...Steve SmithKeyshawn JohnsonDrew CarterKerry Colbert
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that was actually pretty funny . . . I'd take SeattleSt LouisCincinnatiin that order . . . I am assuming that whoever picked Oakland was joking or on medication . . .
 
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I vote Arizona.

Boldin and Fitzgerald are elite. Johnson is good enough to start on tons of teams around the league. Best group of three in my opinion. Along these same lines (only grading top three) I think Cincinnati is a close second.

 
Gotta say AZ. So big and physical. I think the cadillac of receiving corps in the league. If they had an top line and scheme, it would be terrifying what they could do. I think the potential is just scratched there.

Cinci, CJ and Housh. And very good 5 deep.

Colts.

Dallas.

Seattle. They are good, but obviously there are questions. Otherwise they don't go and get Branch. How healthy is DJax? What's the deal w/ Burleson?

There are other tandems, but these teams are really the 3 deep that jump out at me.

 
I have to say that I do like the Seattle WR corps now:

D-Jax

Branch

Burleson

Engram

Heck, the NFC West is a pretty solid division for WR's, save San Francisco of course. Arizona has a two-headed monster in Boldin and Fitz while the Rams have a solid trio of Holt, Bruce, and Curtis. Heck, Shaun McDonald of the Rams could be a #3 WR on most teams.

And of course, I like the Colts.

 
Seattle fans, I am curious as to whether or not you are pleased with this trade at this point in time.

Were you in favor of the trade when it happened? Are you in favor of it now?

I believe Seattle's pick ended up being the 22nd overall (could someone please confirm?). That's a bit earlier in the draft than a lot of people anticipated at the time.

Branch struggled a bit in Seattle from what I saw of him. I understand that he was trying to learn a new offense, on the fly during the season, but he still just didn't seem like his old reliable self. How much of this do you attribute to his transition into a new offense, and how much can be pinned on Branch himself?

I'm also curious as to whether people's opinions of Branch (or David Givens, for that matter) might be lowered a bit just based on the play of Tom Brady's new starting receivers, Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney. Personally, I think Branch and Givens are both very good receivers, but I feel both were a bit overrated this past offseason (and of course, it's only fair to mention that Givens only played in 4 games this season before being injured).

Thoughts?

 
Borat said:
Seattle fans, I am curious as to whether or not you are pleased with this trade at this point in time.Were you in favor of the trade when it happened? Are you in favor of it now?I believe Seattle's pick ended up being the 22nd overall (could someone please confirm?). That's a bit earlier in the draft than a lot of people anticipated at the time.Branch struggled a bit in Seattle from what I saw of him. I understand that he was trying to learn a new offense, on the fly during the season, but he still just didn't seem like his old reliable self. How much of this do you attribute to his transition into a new offense, and how much can be pinned on Branch himself?I'm also curious as to whether people's opinions of Branch (or David Givens, for that matter) might be lowered a bit just based on the play of Tom Brady's new starting receivers, Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney. Personally, I think Branch and Givens are both very good receivers, but I feel both were a bit overrated this past offseason (and of course, it's only fair to mention that Givens only played in 4 games this season before being injured).Thoughts?
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I think Branch played well as the season progressed and he will be much better after going through passing camp and training camp in the offseason. Playing opposite of Jackson, a player who is in tune with Hasselbeck and been around for awhile, means that Branch is not going to be a star with amazing stats. I am pleased with the trade cause I think Branch is a perfect fit for the Seahawks in being a good #2 WR and being the perfect character that I like to see on the Seahawks. I realize Branch cost a bit more money than what a #22 pick would have been, but I think the difference in talent at the #22 pick for a WR is worth it. The Hawks needed a #2 WR and someone who can step up as a #1 WR due to Jackson's injury concerns and the fact that Engram was getting near his end. I think the Hawks had the forsight to realize that there isn't very many good WR free agents this offseason, so they had to act on Branch. I mean other than Stallworth, there aren't any WRs really worth anything out there (Drew Bennett, Mike Furrey, Travis Taylor). With the way the drafts works sometimes, that #22 pick could have been a stud or a dud for all anyone knows, but getting Branch is a known commodity and worth that extra money IMO.I think we need to wait and see til Branch actually gets more time with Hasselbeck in T.C. and passing camp. I also think that Branch will be a great teammate in the offseason and be a good example for players to follow.
 
Borat said:
Seattle fans, I am curious as to whether or not you are pleased with this trade at this point in time.Were you in favor of the trade when it happened? Are you in favor of it now?I believe Seattle's pick ended up being the 22nd overall (could someone please confirm?). That's a bit earlier in the draft than a lot of people anticipated at the time.Branch struggled a bit in Seattle from what I saw of him. I understand that he was trying to learn a new offense, on the fly during the season, but he still just didn't seem like his old reliable self. How much of this do you attribute to his transition into a new offense, and how much can be pinned on Branch himself?I'm also curious as to whether people's opinions of Branch (or David Givens, for that matter) might be lowered a bit just based on the play of Tom Brady's new starting receivers, Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney. Personally, I think Branch and Givens are both very good receivers, but I feel both were a bit overrated this past offseason (and of course, it's only fair to mention that Givens only played in 4 games this season before being injured).Thoughts?
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I dont think Deion Branch was overrated. I think Branch was GREAT in the Pats offense with Brady. We'll see what he does in Seattle. I'm very happy with the #22 pick but was really bummed at the time that we lost Branch.
 
I don't think the problem was Branch on Sunday.

Skillet hands Darrell Jackson couldn't hold on to the ball, and Matt Hasselbeck had a Rex Gross Man like performance.

Interesting that both Branch and Stallworth both got eliminated - they were the big name WRs that got traded....

Hmmm.... WRs overated?

You bet!

 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
I don't think the problem was Branch on Sunday.Skillet hands Darrell Jackson couldn't hold on to the ball, and Matt Hasselbeck had a Rex Gross Man like performance.Interesting that both Branch and Stallworth both got eliminated - they were the big name WRs that got traded....Hmmm.... WRs overated? You bet!
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I think Stallworth helped the Eagles a GREAT deal this year. That was a tremendous trade for them. A low pick and Mark Simoneau who they didnt want (he is starting in NO though).
 
Pat Patriot said:
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
I don't think the problem was Branch on Sunday.Skillet hands Darrell Jackson couldn't hold on to the ball, and Matt Hasselbeck had a Rex Gross Man like performance.Interesting that both Branch and Stallworth both got eliminated - they were the big name WRs that got traded....Hmmm.... WRs overated? You bet!
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I think Stallworth helped the Eagles a GREAT deal this year. That was a tremendous trade for them. A low pick and Mark Simoneau who they didnt want (he is starting in NO though).
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Ya, but it's not like the Pats are missing Branch. They're in the flippin AFC Championship Game!!And Stallworth's replacement put up much much better numbers than him. Also keep in mind, Stallworth is an unrestricted free agent in a month.The Bears wanted Antwaan Randle El, but couldn't afford him. Good thing, had they overpaid for him, they wouldn't have drafted Devin Hester, and Bernard Berrian wouldn't have had this breakout season.Randle El's replacement also put up better receiving numbers and yards per punt return as well....WRs = Overrated
 
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
I don't think the problem was Branch on Sunday.Skillet hands Darrell Jackson couldn't hold on to the ball, and Matt Hasselbeck had a Rex Gross Man like performance.Interesting that both Branch and Stallworth both got eliminated - they were the big name WRs that got traded....Hmmm.... WRs overated? You bet!
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I don't think you can correlate like that at all. The Eagles lost their franchise QB and maybe Stallworth actually helped them to get there in the first place. Without Branch playing while Hass was hurt or playing when Jackson was hurt, maybe the Hawks wouldn't have made the playoffs in the first palce. Interesting that two teams who traded for big name WRs won their divisions despite losing their QBs for an extended period of time.Hmmm....WRs UNDERrated?You like my flawless logic as well. :goodposting:
 
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Yes, I was glad they made the trade? I would have done the same.

Will I still be glad they made the trade a year or two from now? Tough to say. These things can't really be evaluated until time has passed, but I still think it was a good deal. I'll take Branch over a gamble WR pick in round one without thinking twice about it.

The few issues Seattle has will likely be answered using free agents in the off season. I look forward to training camp and the start of a new season with a hopefully healthy roster. I believe the Seahawks lost more "starter games" than any other playoff team. I seem to recall the comparison last week against Chicago was 48 to 8. That's 48 games that starters missed. Ouch. It happens. They hardly had any the previous year.

With regard to the intent of the thread, I'll be very happy with the combo of Jackson, Branch, Engram, Hackett, and Burleson heading into next season.

 
I think the Pats got the better end of the deal. I think Branch is a WR3, a Brandon Stokley type of guy, that was made a whole lot better in the scheme in NE, by Brady.

Look at how much better he's made Caldwell and GAffney look? He elevates second tier talend to the top of the second tier. When Gabriel came to NE, he looked like he'd progress well. He fought back to the ball well, showed good hands, great speed. HIs routes needed work, but he had lacked coaching. But, he digressed. I can only theorize that they got rid of him because of attitude and a lack of hard work. Physically, he was the best looking of the Pats receivers, but they clay wouldn't mold. I like their prospect moving forward.

For success outside of NE, I like Givens prospects better, because of his physical tools.

For Seattle, it remains to be seen if the trade was worth it. There's some decent talent in the 1st round.

I thought for the playoff teams, it depends where they get eliminated. I had this pick pegged at 25. There were 24 teams out, and Seattle the worst record out this week, making them the 25th pick. I had them at 22, until Romos sweaty palms got to him. That said, I'm not 100% sure on this. That's just what I thought.

 
Shick! said:
I'll take Branch over a gamble WR pick in round one without thinking twice about it.
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I don't really understand this logic. Do you think that Seattle would be looking to take a WR in the 1st had they not traded for Branch? Point being that the 1st round pick didn't necessarily have to be another WR.
 
I think with the development of Hackett, they really didn't need Branch and could have used the pick elsewhere...but hindsight is 20/20.

 
Borat said:
Shick! said:
I'll take Branch over a gamble WR pick in round one without thinking twice about it.
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I don't really understand this logic. Do you think that Seattle would be looking to take a WR in the 1st had they not traded for Branch? Point being that the 1st round pick didn't necessarily have to be another WR.
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Exactly.... who's to say it's going to be a WR?Seattle overpaid for Branch, and I still wonder WHY exactly. At first I thought D-Jax had some 'mystery ailment' besides his skillet hands.
 
Seattle overpaid for Branch.

He makes little difference in their lineup over guys like Hackett, Engram.

I'd much rather have the pick and spend it on the O-line or Defense.

 
I think Seattle will see more out of Branch next season. He's a very good player and a good team guy. Was he worth a 1st? Not so sure about it. I guess it'll depend on what exactly the Pats get for the pick. If it's yet another TE, I'll cry.

 
With the emergence of Gaffney along with the other florida WRs that had trouble making it somewhere else at NE, I think any WR will fit in that system, and Seattle did over pay for Branch.

Yes, he is a good player, but not worth the price.

 
I'm curious as to what the Patriots will use the pick for. With that 25th and their own (32nd?) they could go a lot of different ways. I could see a LB and then a CB/S or vise versa. They already have Chad Jackson as a high pick WR from last year so I think they may wait until the later rounds to take another WR, if at all. With that said, I would rather have the 25th pick....and all that cap space vs. Deon Branch.

 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Borat said:
Shick! said:
I'll take Branch over a gamble WR pick in round one without thinking twice about it.
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I don't really understand this logic. Do you think that Seattle would be looking to take a WR in the 1st had they not traded for Branch? Point being that the 1st round pick didn't necessarily have to be another WR.
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Exactly.... who's to say it's going to be a WR?Seattle overpaid for Branch, and I still wonder WHY exactly. At first I thought D-Jax had some 'mystery ailment' besides his skillet hands.
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For Seattle overpaid WRs: See Burleson
 
Bossman said:
I'm curious as to what the Patriots will use the pick for. With that 25th and their own (32nd?) they could go a lot of different ways. I could see a LB and then a CB/S or vise versa. They already have Chad Jackson as a high pick WR from last year so I think they may wait until the later rounds to take another WR, if at all. With that said, I would rather have the 25th pick....and all that cap space vs. Deon Branch.
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LB is definitely a need because it's an aging group, but Belichick never uses high round picks on LBs. I can't even think of a LB he took on the first day. Maybe Banta Cain, but if he was a first day pick, it was barely.I think the system is too complex for a rookie to step in and play so they prefer bringing in veterans who have more experience at the NFL level. Even Banta Caint who is playing now has been in the system for 3 years before getting any PT - and that not until after Seau got hurt.CB/S is a big need, especially if Samuel walks. Which I think he will.I agree that at this point, I'd rather have the pick than Branch. The 1st round picks under Belichick have mostly worked out very well - Seymour, Graham, Watson, Warren, Wilfork, Mankins, Maroney...all of them play a lot of snaps, and the only one you can't call a "starter" is Maroney...yet. (I think Graham starts most games).
 
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