With Chad and Patrick, why are the Jets taking (1 Viewer)

[JAA]

for them to trade both first round picks for the 1.1? Would they need to throw in something for 2007?

Who is more valuable to the Jets right now? A premier QB, OT, DE, or RB?

I cant think of any reason why the Jets would not try and acquire Bush.

You?

 

[BlueOnion]

I have no idea. For a franchise clearly entering a rebuilding mode from top to bottom (new general manager, new head coach, new assistance) and with so many holes on the team; I find it odd that they would address one of their more secure positions with the 4th pick.

Jet Needs:

1) Up and down the offensive line

2) A playmaker wide receiver

3) A running back (for an aging C-Mart)

4) Tight End

5) Outside linebacker

6) Defensive End and possibly defensive tackle

7) Defensive backfield

Having (not a lot) but a good chunk tied up with Ramsey and Pennington, I don't see why the Jets would bring in a quarterback. The fact that the perception is they probably will take a quarterback is one of the best smoke-screen jobs I have seen in years.

 

[Texasmouth]

This draft is deep at offensive tackle. They could draft Lienart and still grab McNeil with the second first rounder. Both needs are filled. RB is also fairly deep and the Jets could end up grabbing a guy in the second.

Ramsey may end up being a backup at best. Penny and his arm issues may never pan out and Brooks Bollinger, well he is just Brooks Bollinger.

I actually like Ramsey and Bollinger but are they going to be as good as everyone is expecting Lienart to be?

Maybe they should figure out a way to trade for the #1 overall, grab Bush and a tackle in the second round. NY is the biggest stage in the world, imagine the hype maching that would be Bush in NY.

 

[Reaper]

for them to trade both first round picks for the 1.1? Would they need to throw in something for 2007?

Who is more valuable to the Jets right now? A premier QB, OT, DE, or RB?

I cant think of any reason why the Jets would not try and acquire Bush.

You?

This is a DEEP draft and the Jets have a ton of holes...At this point with a new Staff and a rebuilding, Combined with this draft, the Jets have an amzing opportunity to build an OL that could propel them for years....

I can see them getting 3 or more OL in this draft...

Trading UP, using a few picks and a ton of money just to add Bush to a team with no OL makes no sense to me.. The guy would get killed....

If the Jets simply used a ton of draft picks for their OL, and took this year like Saban did last year, NOT caring so much about W/L but, more about Building a foundation and seeing what he's got.. Then next year, in a draft supposedly with better WR's and RB's the Jets will have another high pick or can trade up and add the RB as icing on the cake to an already established OL.

BUILD THE LINE... It takes time for an OL to jell, they have some vets, add a lot of depth and youth and once you have an OL, you can do a lot.

Oh yeah and get Mario too!!!

 

[msommer]

I agree it does not make sense for them to take a QB with their first pick this year. They'll have a pretty low pick next year anyway...

 

[Gatorman]

the jets are taking ferguson. Bank on that. Look at teh pass rushers in the division.

 

[Texasmouth]

the jets are taking ferguson. Bank on that. Look at teh pass rushers in the division.

They can get a skill position player with their first pick and a franchise tackle with their second pick. Many scouts have said if d'Brick wasn't in this years draft, the other tackles would be in his spot, they are almost as good. McNeil would probably still be there when they pick again in the first.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Is this a serious question?

A weak armed quarterback with two shoulder surgeries and a quarterback that couldn't beat out a 487 year old Mark Brunnell are your two available options at starting QB and you're wondering why they would draft someone to replace them?

 

[BlueOnion]

Is this a serious question?

A weak armed quarterback with two shoulder surgeries and a quarterback that couldn't beat out a 487 year old Mark Brunnell are your two available options at starting QB and you're wondering why they would draft someone to replace them?

These are viable opinions, but we are judging the Jets actions in regards to these quarterbacks. It's not like Pennington, Ramsey and Bollinger happen to be on the roster, the current regime's action indicate they wanted these three guys. They negotiated a new contract with Pennington (instead of cutting him), so he will have to be on the roster. They traded for Ramsey so he has to be on the roster. Certainly Bollinger can be considered disposable, but he is penciled in as the third string guy with a very cap friendly number.

 

[-OZ-]

Cedric Houston / CurMar >>>>> Ramsey/Penny

I do think they should take Brick though.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They negotiated a new contract with Pennington (instead of cutting him), so he will have to be on the roster.

They worked together to get that done, true. But the Jets couldn't afford to cut him with his previous contract and Pennington knew it would be unlikely he'd get a better contract with a new team than the one he renegotiated with the Jets.

They traded for Ramsey so he has to be on the roster.

Because they saw the catastrophe that Brooks Bollinger was as a starter. Ramsey came cheap.

Certainly Bollinger can be considered disposable, but he is penciled in as the third string guy with a very cap friendly number.

Remember. Shaun Hill is also a third stringer.

 

[T Man]

Is this a serious question?

A weak armed quarterback with two shoulder surgeries and a quarterback that couldn't beat out a 487 year old Mark Brunnell are your two available options at starting QB and you're wondering why they would draft someone to replace them?

I see the Jets playing Ramsey and waiting on Pennington to see if he rebounds. If they don't pan out, then they can see if Brees is available next year - his contract is essentially a one year deal. The new OC and Brees have a history.IF the Jets draft a QB at 4, it is only to get a marquee name to promote the team.

I see the Jets taking Williams or trading down with the hope that someone really wants Leinart or Young (Raiders?)

 

[BlueOnion]

They negotiated a new contract with Pennington (instead of cutting him), so he will have to be on the roster. 

They worked together to get that done, true. But the Jets couldn't afford to cut him with his previous contract and Pennington knew it would be unlikely he'd get a better contract with a new team than the one he renegotiated with the Jets.

They traded for Ramsey so he has to be on the roster.

Because they saw the catastrophe that Brooks Bollinger was as a starter. Ramsey came cheap.

Certainly Bollinger can be considered disposable, but he is penciled in as the third string guy with a very cap friendly number.

Remember. Shaun Hill is also a third stringer.

I think you are reaching; the Jets are set at quarterback this year with Ramsey\Pennington\Bollinger. Even at a high level the coach of the Jets is still Eric Mangini; a defensive guru from the Belichick staff. This doesn't mean Mangini is a clone of Belichick but I suspect they share a similar football philosophy.

 

[-OZ-]

I see the Jets playing Ramsey and waiting on Pennington to see if he rebounds. If they don't pan out, then they can see if Brees is available next year - his contract is essentially a one year deal. The new OC and Brees have a history.

This is besides the point, but the idea of Brees becoming a journeyman QB is interesting and insulting. It may very well happen. New Orleans might actually draft a QB still.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Even at a high level the coach of the Jets is still Eric Mangini; a defensive guru from the Belichick staff. This doesn't mean Mangini is a clone of Belichick but I suspect they share a similar football philosophy.

I'm just saying that it's not stupid if they take one of the big three.Having said that, I don't expect them to. I think they'll take D'Brick as the Saints will take Mario and the Titans will take Leinart or Young.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I see the Jets playing Ramsey and waiting on Pennington to see if he rebounds.  If they don't pan out, then they can see if Brees is available next year - his contract is essentially a one year deal.  The new OC and Brees have a history.

This is besides the point, but the idea of Brees becoming a journeyman QB is interesting and insulting. It may very well happen. New Orleans might actually draft a QB still.

Not at #2. There is absolutely ZERO chance of that happening. None. Nada. Zilch.

 

[-OZ-]

I see the Jets playing Ramsey and waiting on Pennington to see if he rebounds. If they don't pan out, then they can see if Brees is available next year - his contract is essentially a one year deal. The new OC and Brees have a history.

This is besides the point, but the idea of Brees becoming a journeyman QB is interesting and insulting. It may very well happen. New Orleans might actually draft a QB still.

Not at #2. There is absolutely ZERO chance of that happening. None. Nada. Zilch.

Never say never.

 

[Imedos]

Is this a serious question?

A weak armed quarterback with two shoulder surgeries and a quarterback that couldn't beat out a 487 year old Mark Brunnell are your two available options at starting QB and you're wondering why they would draft someone to replace them?

I see the Jets playing Ramsey and waiting on Pennington to see if he rebounds. If they don't pan out, then they can see if Brees is available next year - his contract is essentially a one year deal. The new OC and Brees have a history.

Drew's contract is only a one year deal if he turns out to not be healthy or is extremely ineffective. If he is healthy and plays like a capable starter, he wont hit the open market.So either way, Brees isn't really an option worth considering ...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I see the Jets playing Ramsey and waiting on Pennington to see if he rebounds.  If they don't pan out, then they can see if Brees is available next year - his contract is essentially a one year deal.  The new OC and Brees have a history.

This is besides the point, but the idea of Brees becoming a journeyman QB is interesting and insulting. It may very well happen. New Orleans might actually draft a QB still.

Not at #2. There is absolutely ZERO chance of that happening. None. Nada. Zilch.

Never say never.

Never ever.

 

[BlueOnion]

Even at a high level the coach of the Jets is still Eric Mangini; a defensive guru from the Belichick staff.  This doesn't mean Mangini is a clone of Belichick but I suspect they share a similar football philosophy.

I'm just saying that it's not stupid if they take one of the big three.Having said that, I don't expect them to. I think they'll take D'Brick as the Saints will take Mario and the Titans will take Leinart or Young.

Okay, I can agree with that. It certainly would not be stupid if they did it. But being privy to local sports newspapers it sounds very unlikely they will take a quarterback.

 

[T Man]

I see the Jets playing Ramsey and waiting on Pennington to see if he rebounds.  If they don't pan out, then they can see if Brees is available next year - his contract is essentially a one year deal.  The new OC and Brees have a history.

This is besides the point, but the idea of Brees becoming a journeyman QB is interesting and insulting. It may very well happen. New Orleans might actually draft a QB still.

Actually, I like Brees - a lot. Not trying to insult him at all. But the contract with NO was essentially a one year deal. That is why he wanted Miami to make him a long term deal.Benson would have to pay a lot of $$$ to keep Brees, and that is not his nature. IF Brees lights it up this year (which he can), the Saints keep him. But if he only has a so-so year (it is the Saints, and he would be less than one year removed from his injury), I can see the Saints declining to pay the money. That makes him a free agent. IF the JEts do not draft a QB in round 1, you could expect great interest in Brees if NO doesn't pay up given the connections with the new OC .

 

[-OZ-]

I see the Jets playing Ramsey and waiting on Pennington to see if he rebounds. If they don't pan out, then they can see if Brees is available next year - his contract is essentially a one year deal. The new OC and Brees have a history.

This is besides the point, but the idea of Brees becoming a journeyman QB is interesting and insulting. It may very well happen. New Orleans might actually draft a QB still.

Actually, I like Brees - a lot. Not trying to insult him at all. But the contract with NO was essentially a one year deal. That is why he wanted Miami to make him a long term deal.Benson would have to pay a lot of $$$ to keep Brees, and that is not his nature. IF Brees lights it up this year (which he can), the Saints keep him. But if he only has a so-so year (it is the Saints, and he would be less than one year removed from his injury), I can see the Saints declining to pay the money. That makes him a free agent. IF the JEts do not draft a QB in round 1, you could expect great interest in Brees if NO doesn't pay up given the connections with the new OC .

Good enough, but as already stated, the Jets can't use Brees as a reason not to take a QB here. Although (Andy will jump at the screen) if the following years are so totally expensive, it almost makes more sense to take a QB to learn behind Brees with the idea that they won't pay Brees next year.

 

[TLEF316]

I do not want a QB this year. All of the big 3 are solid prospects, but IMO they all have big issues. If the current jets QB's are as bad as some think, we'll be right back at the top of the draft next year. Brady Quinn is a better prospect than all 3 of this year's QB's.

 

[diesel7982]

Is this a serious question?

A weak armed quarterback with two shoulder surgeries and a quarterback that couldn't beat out a 487 year old Mark Brunnell are your two available options at starting QB and you're wondering why they would draft someone to replace them?

Whew, I was getting scared there for a second. Pennington is done folks. For those of you who wouldnt listen to that last offseason, nows the time to buy in to it. The only reason he still is on the roster is in case the Jets can't get a QB in the draft.

Ramsey is a very marginal starter and a decent backup.

For a rebuilding team, it is infinitely important to get the QB position on the right track, especially when you already have a high pick in a top heavy QB draft.

 

[-OZ-]

Brady Quinn is a better prospect than all 3 of this year's QB's.

FWIW, I like Quinn, a lot. The Romeo / Mangini connection will probably ensure they pick him if they can. Just remember that Leinart was the "2nd coming" at this point last year.

 

[cws3030]

Jet Needs:

1) Up and down the offensive line

2) A playmaker wide receiver

3) A running back (for an aging C-Mart)

4) Tight End

5) Outside linebacker

6) Defensive End and possibly defensive tackle

7) Defensive backfield

IMO this is why they should NOT trade up. they have so many holes to fill it could take years if they start giving away picks. if V.Young falls to them they should trade down with Oakland.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Good enough, but as already stated, the Jets can't use Brees as a reason not to take a QB here.

Although (Andy will jump at the screen) if the following years are so totally expensive, it almost makes more sense to take a QB to learn behind Brees with the idea that they won't pay Brees next year.

I think they'd get nothing out of Brees this year if they did that. "Okay, Drew. We know that you just got out of the exact same situation in San Diego, but how would you feel if we drafted Matt Leinart? Do you think you could help him out a bit so he could take your job next year?"

No chance.

Further, the GM simply cannot go to owner Tom Benson and say "Listen, I know we already ponied up a good chunk of your money for a QB. What say we get a second rather than fill one of the other approximate 21 needs on our team?"

Again, no chance.

 

[-OZ-]

Good enough, but as already stated, the Jets can't use Brees as a reason not to take a QB here.

Although (Andy will jump at the screen) if the following years are so totally expensive, it almost makes more sense to take a QB to learn behind Brees with the idea that they won't pay Brees next year.

I think they'd get nothing out of Brees this year if they did that. "Okay, Drew. We know that you just got out of the exact same situation in San Diego, but how would you feel if we drafted Matt Leinart? Do you think you could help him out a bit so he could take your job next year?"

No chance.

Further, the GM simply cannot go to owner Tom Benson and say "Listen, I know we already ponied up a good chunk of your money for a QB. What say we get a second rather than fill one of the other approximate 21 needs on our team?"

Again, no chance.

I hope you realize I'm mostly messing with you at this point.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

  Good enough, but as already stated, the Jets can't use Brees as a reason not to take a QB here.

Although (Andy will jump at the screen) if the following years are so totally expensive, it almost makes more sense to take a QB to learn behind Brees with the idea that they won't pay Brees next year.

I think they'd get nothing out of Brees this year if they did that. "Okay, Drew. We know that you just got out of the exact same situation in San Diego, but how would you feel if we drafted Matt Leinart? Do you think you could help him out a bit so he could take your job next year?"

No chance.

Further, the GM simply cannot go to owner Tom Benson and say "Listen, I know we already ponied up a good chunk of your money for a QB. What say we get a second rather than fill one of the other approximate 21 needs on our team?"

Again, no chance.

I hope you realize I'm mostly messing with you at this point.

Yes. But you're acting as a great foil for me to promote my OUTRAGEOUSLY CERTAIN (best if spoken in a Monte Python-esque French accent) opinions.

 

[Z-Dog]

Is this a serious question?

A weak armed quarterback with two shoulder surgeries and a quarterback that couldn't beat out a 487 year old Mark Brunnell are your two available options at starting QB and you're wondering why they would draft someone to replace them?

These are viable opinions, but we are judging the Jets actions in regards to these quarterbacks. It's not like Pennington, Ramsey and Bollinger happen to be on the roster, the current regime's action indicate they wanted these three guys. They negotiated a new contract with Pennington (instead of cutting him), so he will have to be on the roster. They traded for Ramsey so he has to be on the roster. Certainly Bollinger can be considered disposable, but he is penciled in as the third string guy with a very cap friendly number.

I think you're reading too hard into all this. Pennington was owed a lot of money and cutting him was going to be hard on the cap and hard on the wallet. Bollinger showed he was a better backup than anyone thought last year - what were they going to d, cut him? The only guy they went out and got was Ramsey, and he cost all of a 6th round pick.I think the Jets draft board looks something like this:

Leinert

Mario

Ferguson

Hawk

Davis

Trade down for Young, Cutler, or Justice

 

[BlueOnion]

Is this a serious question?

A weak armed quarterback with two shoulder surgeries and a quarterback that couldn't beat out a 487 year old Mark Brunnell are your two available options at starting QB and you're wondering why they would draft someone to replace them?

These are viable opinions, but we are judging the Jets actions in regards to these quarterbacks. It's not like Pennington, Ramsey and Bollinger happen to be on the roster, the current regime's action indicate they wanted these three guys. They negotiated a new contract with Pennington (instead of cutting him), so he will have to be on the roster. They traded for Ramsey so he has to be on the roster. Certainly Bollinger can be considered disposable, but he is penciled in as the third string guy with a very cap friendly number.

I think you're reading too hard into all this. Pennington was owed a lot of money and cutting him was going to be hard on the cap and hard on the wallet. Bollinger showed he was a better backup than anyone thought last year - what were they going to d, cut him? The only guy they went out and got was Ramsey, and he cost all of a 6th round pick.I think the Jets draft board looks something like this:

Leinert

Mario

Ferguson

Hawk

Davis

Trade down for Young, Cutler, or Justice

I keep reading the local papers and everything I am hearing is that they are not interested in a quarterback; and it makes a lot of sense. Here is what I think they want to do:1) Trade down for more picks

2) Mario Williams

3) D'Brickshaw Ferguson

....[gap]

4) AJ Hawk

 

[T Man]

Is this a serious question?

A weak armed quarterback with two shoulder surgeries and a quarterback that couldn't beat out a 487 year old Mark Brunnell are your two available options at starting QB and you're wondering why they would draft someone to replace them?

These are viable opinions, but we are judging the Jets actions in regards to these quarterbacks. It's not like Pennington, Ramsey and Bollinger happen to be on the roster, the current regime's action indicate they wanted these three guys. They negotiated a new contract with Pennington (instead of cutting him), so he will have to be on the roster. They traded for Ramsey so he has to be on the roster. Certainly Bollinger can be considered disposable, but he is penciled in as the third string guy with a very cap friendly number.

I think you're reading too hard into all this. Pennington was owed a lot of money and cutting him was going to be hard on the cap and hard on the wallet. Bollinger showed he was a better backup than anyone thought last year - what were they going to d, cut him? The only guy they went out and got was Ramsey, and he cost all of a 6th round pick.I think the Jets draft board looks something like this:

Leinert

Mario

Ferguson

Hawk

Davis

Trade down for Young, Cutler, or Justice

I keep reading the local papers and everything I am hearing is that they are not interested in a quarterback; and it makes a lot of sense. Here is what I think they want to do:1) Trade down for more picks

2) Mario Williams

3) D'Brickshaw Ferguson

....[gap]

4) AJ Hawk

I agree. THe Jets would trade down for the right offer; but if not, they prefer Williams and then Ferguson. Hawk runs a far third. If they trade down I could see Davis, Justice or Ngata getting consideration (depending on how far down they moved).

 

[msommer]

Is this a serious question?

A weak armed quarterback with two shoulder surgeries and a quarterback that couldn't beat out a 487 year old Mark Brunnell are your two available options at starting QB and you're wondering why they would draft someone to replace them?

These are viable opinions, but we are judging the Jets actions in regards to these quarterbacks. It's not like Pennington, Ramsey and Bollinger happen to be on the roster, the current regime's action indicate they wanted these three guys. They negotiated a new contract with Pennington (instead of cutting him), so he will have to be on the roster. They traded for Ramsey so he has to be on the roster. Certainly Bollinger can be considered disposable, but he is penciled in as the third string guy with a very cap friendly number.

I think you're reading too hard into all this. Pennington was owed a lot of money and cutting him was going to be hard on the cap and hard on the wallet. Bollinger showed he was a better backup than anyone thought last year - what were they going to d, cut him? The only guy they went out and got was Ramsey, and he cost all of a 6th round pick.I think the Jets draft board looks something like this:

Leinert

Mario

Ferguson

Hawk

Davis

Trade down for Young, Cutler, or Justice

I keep reading the local papers and everything I am hearing is that they are not interested in a quarterback; and it makes a lot of sense. Here is what I think they want to do:1) Trade down for more picks

2) Mario Williams

3) D'Brickshaw Ferguson

....[gap]

4) AJ Hawk

I agree. THe Jets would trade down for the right offer; but if not, they prefer Williams and then Ferguson. Hawk runs a far third. If they trade down I could see Davis, Justice or Ngata getting consideration (depending on how far down they moved).

Considering they reportedly have turned down the Broncos' offer of #15 and #22 it would seem they want a top ten-twelve trading partner

 

[BlueOnion]

Is this a serious question?

A weak armed quarterback with two shoulder surgeries and a quarterback that couldn't beat out a 487 year old Mark Brunnell are your two available options at starting QB and you're wondering why they would draft someone to replace them?

These are viable opinions, but we are judging the Jets actions in regards to these quarterbacks. It's not like Pennington, Ramsey and Bollinger happen to be on the roster, the current regime's action indicate they wanted these three guys. They negotiated a new contract with Pennington (instead of cutting him), so he will have to be on the roster. They traded for Ramsey so he has to be on the roster. Certainly Bollinger can be considered disposable, but he is penciled in as the third string guy with a very cap friendly number.

I think you're reading too hard into all this. Pennington was owed a lot of money and cutting him was going to be hard on the cap and hard on the wallet. Bollinger showed he was a better backup than anyone thought last year - what were they going to d, cut him? The only guy they went out and got was Ramsey, and he cost all of a 6th round pick.I think the Jets draft board looks something like this:

Leinert

Mario

Ferguson

Hawk

Davis

Trade down for Young, Cutler, or Justice

I keep reading the local papers and everything I am hearing is that they are not interested in a quarterback; and it makes a lot of sense. Here is what I think they want to do:1) Trade down for more picks

2) Mario Williams

3) D'Brickshaw Ferguson

....[gap]

4) AJ Hawk

I agree. THe Jets would trade down for the right offer; but if not, they prefer Williams and then Ferguson. Hawk runs a far third. If they trade down I could see Davis, Justice or Ngata getting consideration (depending on how far down they moved).

Considering they reportedly have turned down the Broncos' offer of #15 and #22 it would seem they want a top ten-twelve trading partner

Who would Denver be targeting with the #4 pick? I have to call sheninigans on this one. Either the Jets or the Broncos are leaking false information.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Who would Denver be targeting with the #4 pick? I have to call sheninigans on this one. Either the Jets or the Broncos are leaking false information.

If Denver sees Mario Williams available at #4, I think that would have been a great target for them to trade up.

 

[-OZ-]

Who would Denver be targeting with the #4 pick? I have to call sheninigans on this one. Either the Jets or the Broncos are leaking false information.

If Denver sees Mario Williams available at #4, I think that would have been a great target for them to trade up.

Absolutely.I don't think they'd target Brick or a QB there.

Maybe Vernon Davis if San Fran or Green Bay weren't willing to deal. But Mario would be the ideal fit.

 

[T Man]

Is this a serious question?

A weak armed quarterback with two shoulder surgeries and a quarterback that couldn't beat out a 487 year old Mark Brunnell are your two available options at starting QB and you're wondering why they would draft someone to replace them?

These are viable opinions, but we are judging the Jets actions in regards to these quarterbacks. It's not like Pennington, Ramsey and Bollinger happen to be on the roster, the current regime's action indicate they wanted these three guys. They negotiated a new contract with Pennington (instead of cutting him), so he will have to be on the roster. They traded for Ramsey so he has to be on the roster. Certainly Bollinger can be considered disposable, but he is penciled in as the third string guy with a very cap friendly number.

I think you're reading too hard into all this. Pennington was owed a lot of money and cutting him was going to be hard on the cap and hard on the wallet. Bollinger showed he was a better backup than anyone thought last year - what were they going to d, cut him? The only guy they went out and got was Ramsey, and he cost all of a 6th round pick.I think the Jets draft board looks something like this:

Leinert

Mario

Ferguson

Hawk

Davis

Trade down for Young, Cutler, or Justice

I keep reading the local papers and everything I am hearing is that they are not interested in a quarterback; and it makes a lot of sense. Here is what I think they want to do:1) Trade down for more picks

2) Mario Williams

3) D'Brickshaw Ferguson

....[gap]

4) AJ Hawk

I agree. THe Jets would trade down for the right offer; but if not, they prefer Williams and then Ferguson. Hawk runs a far third. If they trade down I could see Davis, Justice or Ngata getting consideration (depending on how far down they moved).

Considering they reportedly have turned down the Broncos' offer of #15 and #22 it would seem they want a top ten-twelve trading partner

Agreed, but I think they might have bitten on the offer if it came on draft day and included another pick (15+22 < 4) More likely they value Williams, and declined Denver's advances because it would deprive them of the chance to get Williams and wasn't enough. As for Oakland, I think this would be a draft day trade. By waiting, if Williams is off the board, they can trade. At that time, they probably would prefer to drop to at most 12. Most people say that the dropoff is at around 12, and that the remaining first rounders are of equivalent value.

 

[Kiddnets]

Huge Jet fan for 30 yrs -

here is what I would do:

Sorry to say this but Chad is done. The restructure was just cause they couldn't afford to take the entire hit this year. Unless a bona fide miracle takes place, Chad will never be a starter in the NFL again. Ramsey could be decent but is limited and likely a stop gap/backup. Most of the FA moves were on the defensive side of the ball so I think Tangini will look to revitalize the O.

A team is rarely in the top 5 - looking at the JEt schedule in 2006 even Herm could win 6 or 7 games - that will not land you a top 10 pick in 2007 draft. As such, if Leinart or Cutler grade out as franchise QBs you HAVE to take one!

1. Stay put at #4 or trade down - do not trade up unless it is dirt cheap

2. Draft Leinart if he falls into your lap at #4

3. If no Leinart at #4 - trade down to #7 (grab an extra 2nd rder) and grab Cutler

4. With the #29 I would go RB (Williams, Maroney or even White if he checks out)

5. In the 2nd and 3rd rd grab 3 top OL prospects (have the comp pick)

So in this scenerio the JEts could come out with a blue chip QB, new exciting RB and three solid OL prospects. The rest of the draft can go defense/ST/best available

If the JEts do not grade out the QBs as high and refuse to take one - I would look for them to draft Brick (if he is available) or trade down - I still say it makes no sense to pay Mario Williams (out of position in a 3-4) John Abe money when you refused to give it to a proven 10 sack guy (even though he has warts).

New Era, new mgt., new QB - hope it goes this way so the JEts get a fresh start.

 

[BlueOnion]

Huge Jet fan for 30 yrs -

here is what I would do:

What do you think they will do?

 

[Kiddnets]

Huge Jet fan for 30 yrs -

here is what I would do:

What do you think they will do?

Look at the bottom of the post (sorry so long) - it all depends on how they grade the QBs - if they don't take a QB I think they will take Brick. If he's gone I see a trade down. Just can't see them taking Mario after the Abe deal. Depending on how the other picks shape up I think it will be either Leinart, Brick or Cutler - in that order of preference for the team.

 

[BlueOnion]

Huge Jet fan for 30 yrs -

here is what I would do:

What do you think they will do?

Look at the bottom of the post (sorry so long) - it all depends on how they grade the QBs - if they don't take a QB I think they will take Brick. If he's gone I see a trade down. Just can't see them taking Mario after the Abe deal. Depending on how the other picks shape up I think it will be either Leinart, Brick or Cutler - in that order of preference for the team.

I can agree with that assessment. I don't think Lienart or Cutler grade out to a Peyton Manning pre-draft score, so I think they go with D'Brick (unless Mario somehow slips to #4).

 

[(HULK)]

Given the JETS history in the draft, I fully expect them to select Vernon Davis over Mario Williams.

 

[T Man]

Huge Jet fan for 30 yrs -

here is what I would do:

Sorry to say this but Chad is done. The restructure was just cause they couldn't afford to take the entire hit this year. Unless a bona fide miracle takes place, Chad will never be a starter in the NFL again. Ramsey could be decent but is limited and likely a stop gap/backup. Most of the FA moves were on the defensive side of the ball so I think Tangini will look to revitalize the O.

A team is rarely in the top 5 - looking at the JEt schedule in 2006 even Herm could win 6 or 7 games - that will not land you a top 10 pick in 2007 draft. As such, if Leinart or Cutler grade out as franchise QBs you HAVE to take one!

1. Stay put at #4 or trade down - do not trade up unless it is dirt cheap

2. Draft Leinart if he falls into your lap at #4

3. If no Leinart at #4 - trade down to #7 (grab an extra 2nd rder) and grab Cutler

4. With the #29 I would go RB (Williams, Maroney or even White if he checks out)

5. In the 2nd and 3rd rd grab 3 top OL prospects (have the comp pick)

So in this scenerio the JEts could come out with a blue chip QB, new exciting RB and three solid OL prospects. The rest of the draft can go defense/ST/best available

If the JEts do not grade out the QBs as high and refuse to take one - I would look for them to draft Brick (if he is available) or trade down - I still say it makes no sense to pay Mario Williams (out of position in a 3-4) John Abe money when you refused to give it to a proven 10 sack guy (even though he has warts).

New Era, new mgt., new QB - hope it goes this way so the JEts get a fresh start.

But I can see Mangini envisioning Williams as the type of player who can play the 3-4 end (big enought to stop the run and fast enough to get to the QB) and move to DT when they shift to a 4-3. So if he's available, I see them picking up Williams at 4, or D'Brick -- unless the Jets feel the need to get a QB to counteract the "Manning" factor -- which only Leinart and Young do (CUtler may be the best of the bunch, but I don't think he brings the same recognition as the others). In any event, I think they stand pat on QBs.

There are a lot of good OTs in the draft which will be available in rounds 2 and 3.

 

[Warpig]

Here's what they can and should do:

1) get a qb with the #4 pick

2) get a rb with the #29 pick

3) draft a lineman with their 2nd round pick.

This way they can get one of the big 3 qb's and dump Pennington next year. They can also get one of the top 4 or 5 running backs and still get a good, maybe not great, o-lineman in the 2nd round and who knows after that. They can also get a decent WR in the 3rd round. Problem solved.

 

[BlueOnion]

Huge Jet fan for 30 yrs -

here is what I would do:

Sorry to say this but Chad is done.  The restructure was just cause they couldn't afford to take the entire hit this year.  Unless a bona fide miracle takes place, Chad will never be a starter in the NFL again.  Ramsey could be decent but is limited and likely a stop gap/backup.  Most of the FA moves were on the defensive side of the ball so I think Tangini will look to revitalize the O. 

A team is rarely in the top 5 - looking at the JEt schedule in 2006 even Herm could win 6 or 7 games - that will not land you a top 10 pick in 2007 draft.  As such, if Leinart or Cutler grade out as franchise QBs you HAVE to take one! 

1.  Stay put at #4 or trade down - do not trade up unless it is dirt cheap

2.  Draft Leinart if he falls into your lap at #4

3.  If no Leinart at #4 - trade down to #7 (grab an extra 2nd rder) and grab Cutler

4.  With the #29 I would go RB (Williams, Maroney or even White if he checks out)

5.  In the 2nd and 3rd rd grab 3 top OL prospects (have the comp pick)

So in this scenerio the JEts could come out with a blue chip QB, new exciting RB and three solid OL prospects.  The rest of the draft can go defense/ST/best available

If the JEts do not grade out the QBs as high and refuse to take one - I would look for them to draft Brick (if he is available) or trade down - I still say it makes no sense to pay Mario Williams (out of position in a 3-4) John Abe money when you refused to give it to a proven 10 sack guy (even though he has warts).

New Era, new mgt., new QB - hope it goes this way so the JEts get a fresh start.

But I can see Mangini envisioning Williams as the type of player who can play the 3-4 end (big enought to stop the run and fast enough to get to the QB) and move to DT when they shift to a 4-3. So if he's available, I see them picking up Williams at 4, or D'Brick -- unless the Jets feel the need to get a QB to counteract the "Manning" factor -- which only Leinart and Young do (CUtler may be the best of the bunch, but I don't think he brings the same recognition as the others). In any event, I think they stand pat on QBs.

There are a lot of good OTs in the draft which will be available in rounds 2 and 3.

There are my thoughts; Belichick's Symour = Mangini's Williams.Edited - Mario is so physically gifted to pencil him in for defensive end in a 3-4 for every play is crazy talk. If the Jets get Mario, expect him to be lining up at Nose Guard (in 3-4), Defensive Tackle (in 3-4 or 4-3), Defensive End (in 3-4 or 4-3), DL (in 2-5) or even the monster-backer position in any formation.

 

[Kiddnets]

Given the JETS history in the draft, I fully expect them to select Vernon Davis over Mario Williams.

Getting ready to add to that Jet video - with the #4 pick in the NFL Draft the NY Jets select TE..........Boooooooooooooooooooooooooo........Vernon..Boooooooooooo......Davis.

.Boooooooooooo!

You might actually see a mass riot of angry Jet fans if that happens - leaping off the balconies. It would be brutal!

 

[Reaper]

I still say it makes no sense to pay Mario Williams (out of position in a 3-4) John Abe money when you refused to give it to a proven 10 sack guy (even though he has warts).

John Abraham and Mario Williams barely even play the same position.In a 3-4 Defense, a 1 dimensional pass rusher like Abe would play what? OLB?

Mario Williams is possibly a Carbon Copy of the highest paid defensive player in the league and the Key to one of the best teams in the league's defense...

Mario potentially makes your defense deceptive and allows you to mix up DL fronts in and out of 3-4 to 4-3...

Abe DOES NOT have that potential.....There is no comparison to John Abraham here.... PLUS Abe is a bonafide Injury concern.

What I have found with Jet fans I know and talk to is, there is a contingent that Loved Abraham and they have this hatred for Mario thinking the guy is taking his $$$$ - But, honestly they don't fill the same roles.

 

[(HULK)]

Given the JETS history in the draft, I fully expect them to select Vernon Davis over Mario Williams.

Getting ready to add to that Jet video - with the #4 pick in the NFL Draft the NY Jets select TE..........Boooooooooooooooooooooooooo........Vernon..Boooooooooooo......Davis.

.Boooooooooooo!

You might actually see a mass riot of angry Jet fans if that happens - leaping off the balconies. It would be brutal!

I'm hoping this happens. The comedy would be historic.

 

[BlueOnion]

I still say it makes no sense to pay Mario Williams (out of position in a 3-4) John Abe money when you refused to give it to a proven 10 sack guy (even though he has warts).

John Abraham and Mario Williams barely even play the same position.In a 3-4 Defense, a 1 dimensional pass rusher like Abe would play what? OLB?

Mario Williams is possibly a Carbon Copy of the highest paid defensive player in the league and the Key to one of the best teams in the league's defense...

Mario potentially makes you defense deceptive and allows you to mix up DL fronts in and out of 3-4 to 4-3...

Abe DOES NOT have that potential.....There is no comparison to John Abraham here.... PLUS Abe is a bonafide Injury concern.

What I have found with Jet fans I know and talk to is, there is a contingent that Loved Abraham and they have this hatred for Mario thinking the guy is taking his $$$$ - But, honetly they don't fill the same roles.

 

[Reaper]

I still say it makes no sense to pay Mario Williams (out of position in a 3-4) John Abe money when you refused to give it to a proven 10 sack guy (even though he has warts).

John Abraham and Mario Williams barely even play the same position.In a 3-4 Defense, a 1 dimensional pass rusher like Abe would play what? OLB?

Mario Williams is possibly a Carbon Copy of the highest paid defensive player in the league and the Key to one of the best teams in the league's defense...

Mario potentially makes you defense deceptive and allows you to mix up DL fronts in and out of 3-4 to 4-3...

Abe DOES NOT have that potential.....There is no comparison to John Abraham here.... PLUS Abe is a bonafide Injury concern.

What I have found with Jet fans I know and talk to is, there is a contingent that Loved Abraham and they have this hatred for Mario thinking the guy is taking his $$$$ - But, honetly they don't fill the same roles.

Thanks - I'm getting this speech down.. It's driving me BATTY.... Between the people who want to compare Mario to Abraham and the people who think Mario can't play the 3-4....

Someone, long ago wrote an article that said Mario would have better numbers (Stats) in the 4-3 and that has led to a lot of people saying he can't play the 3-4!!! Sheesh, That's NOT what they said or meant.

- AS IF, there is a better physical specimen around to play a 3-4 DE ....

What do they think he's TOO BIG? TOO FAST???

I'm praying we (Jets) get SUPER MARIO - I want that Jersey!!!!