It is surprising to me that some of the American and British commanders did not appear to understand this mentality. Major General Edward King made the same decision when he went against the direct orders of General MacArthur and surrendered the Philippine-American forces on the Bataan Peninsula. This of course led to the Bataan death march.These were also the soldiers who were sent to build the Burma railroad and built the Bridge on the River Kwai.Not to defend the Japanese, but to them surrender was tantamount to death due to the dishonor of surrender. So those who surrendered were dishonored and not deserving of humane treatment.Singapore, Part Two
All of the remaining defenders, some 70,000 men, including Percival, were taken prisoner and held throughout the war in POW camps.
The writer James Clavell, author of Shogun, was one of these. He was an RAF pilot (Hurricanes) sent to Singapore in November of 1941. He spent most of the remainder of the war in a series of POW camps, most notably Changi, one of the most infamous of these, where over 90% of all prisoners died of disease and malnutrition. Clavell's autobiographical novel King Rat describes his experiences; the character of Peter Marlowe is based on the author. I highly recommend this great novel for anyone who wants to know what these camps were really like.
Fine. No problem, but let me handle the Coral Sea, because it is the prelude to Midway.One last thing, I don't care what you say about me, just so you spell my name right!Oxymandius is going to handle the Battle of Midway. Here is a list of events I need to cover before we get to that battle:The fall of the PhillipinesThe advent of Dwight EisenhowerThe Russian counteroffensive of December 1941/January 1942The Doolittle RaidNorth Africa during the first 6 months of 1942Executive Order 9066The battle of the Coral Sea and preparations for MidwayOxy, please wait until I am done with all these. If you or anyone else wants to write about any of this stuff, please feel free to do so. Following the Battle of Midway, we will devote a great deal of time and narrative to discussing the four other key turning point events of World War II, all of which took place during the last months of 1942: Stalingrad, El Alemein, Torch, and Guadalcanal.

This is true. I think there were at least 20,000 who escaped this way, and were actually treated well by the Japanese as well. I don't really know as much about this subject as I probably should.(BTW Tim, President Quezon did allow Jewish refugees into the Philippines at a time when few places would take them).
That is a great story. I had no idea of this.(And here is an interesting sidelight) Donovan correctly explained that they had received no artillery support; whereupon MacArthur sought out and castigated the artillery commander responsible for the area - Captain Harry S Truman, the man who would one day relieve MacArthur of command for insubordination.
We should also mention the bravery of many Filipino soldiers who fought alongside the Americans. A significant number escaped into the mountains, and they and others who joined them waged a constant guerrilla war against the Japanese. They, and Philippine civilians, paid a harsh price for that resistance, which continued until MacArthur returned.The Phillipines surrender
We're the Battling Bastards of Bataan
No Mama, No Papa, No Uncle Sam
No aunts, no uncles, no cousins, no nieces
No pills, no planes, no artillery pieces
This was a popular refrain sung by the soldiers who remained. Most of them were bitter about MacArthur and held him in contempt. "I came through, and I shall return." What about them? This resentment had been growing for some time. Out of 142 official communiques sent out by MacArthur during the struggle, 109 of them referred exclusively to "I" or "General MacArthur". When the troops were mentioned, it was invariably "General MacArthur's men". Also a source of resentment: although all service families had been sent home long ago, MacArthur had insisted on keeping his with him, and when they left in the four torpedo boats, they took spots that might have been reserved for other officers or soldiers.
To make matters worse, MacArthur spurned members of the military that were not Army (and therefore, not under his command). Two days before leaving for Australia, MacArthur recommended all units in Bataan and Corregidor for unit citations with the exception of the Marine and navy units. General Sutherland, MacArthur's crony, stated, "the Marines had gotten far too much unearned glory in the last war and would get no more in this one." This remark was remembered throughout the Pacific War; MacArthur was blamed for it, and he was not forgiven.
Still, the splendid scarecrows of Wainwright fought on, Gaunt, sour of heart and stomach, ragged and red-eyed, bombed by day and shelled by night, they fought on. From both FDR and MacArthur had come orders not to surrender, and MacArthur had ordered a desperation counterattack as a last resort. However, General King on Bataan saw that he had to either surrender or have his people killed piecemeal. King surrendered on April 9, 1942. We shall return to the fate of these soldiers shortly.
That left Corregidor. Under steady aerial bombardment, Wainwright managed to hold out another 4 weeks until the Japanese succeeded in landing there. On May 6, with the Japanese within yards of Malinta Tunnel, Wainwright's men spiked guns, smashed equipment, and burned codes. Wainwright composed his last, sad message to Roosevelt:
With broken heart and head bowed in sadness but not in shame, with profound regret and with continued pride in my gallant men, I go to meet the Japanese commander. Goodbye, Mr. President.
The defense of the Phillippines, though ultimately a failure, delayed the Japanese timetables for over four months. Because it was not a military victory, it isn't treated with the same regard as some other battles we will examine, at least not by non-military. But it should be. This battle demonstrated just how amazingly brave American soldiers can be, and how much they are willing to endure. The valor of these men would set a pattern that would be repeated again and again all throughout the Pacific War. All of us who enjoy our freedom in this great country are in their debt, forever and ever.
We should also mention the bravery of many Filipino soldiers who fought alongside the Americans. A significant number escaped into the mountains, and they and others who joined them waged a constant guerrilla war against the Japanese. They, and Philippine civilians, paid a harsh price for that resistance, which continued until MacArthur returned.The Phillipines surrender
We're the Battling Bastards of Bataan
No Mama, No Papa, No Uncle Sam
No aunts, no uncles, no cousins, no nieces
No pills, no planes, no artillery pieces
This was a popular refrain sung by the soldiers who remained. Most of them were bitter about MacArthur and held him in contempt. "I came through, and I shall return." What about them? This resentment had been growing for some time. Out of 142 official communiques sent out by MacArthur during the struggle, 109 of them referred exclusively to "I" or "General MacArthur". When the troops were mentioned, it was invariably "General MacArthur's men". Also a source of resentment: although all service families had been sent home long ago, MacArthur had insisted on keeping his with him, and when they left in the four torpedo boats, they took spots that might have been reserved for other officers or soldiers.
To make matters worse, MacArthur spurned members of the military that were not Army (and therefore, not under his command). Two days before leaving for Australia, MacArthur recommended all units in Bataan and Corregidor for unit citations with the exception of the Marine and navy units. General Sutherland, MacArthur's crony, stated, "the Marines had gotten far too much unearned glory in the last war and would get no more in this one." This remark was remembered throughout the Pacific War; MacArthur was blamed for it, and he was not forgiven.
Still, the splendid scarecrows of Wainwright fought on, Gaunt, sour of heart and stomach, ragged and red-eyed, bombed by day and shelled by night, they fought on. From both FDR and MacArthur had come orders not to surrender, and MacArthur had ordered a desperation counterattack as a last resort. However, General King on Bataan saw that he had to either surrender or have his people killed piecemeal. King surrendered on April 9, 1942. We shall return to the fate of these soldiers shortly.
That left Corregidor. Under steady aerial bombardment, Wainwright managed to hold out another 4 weeks until the Japanese succeeded in landing there. On May 6, with the Japanese within yards of Malinta Tunnel, Wainwright's men spiked guns, smashed equipment, and burned codes. Wainwright composed his last, sad message to Roosevelt:
With broken heart and head bowed in sadness but not in shame, with profound regret and with continued pride in my gallant men, I go to meet the Japanese commander. Goodbye, Mr. President.
The defense of the Phillippines, though ultimately a failure, delayed the Japanese timetables for over four months. Because it was not a military victory, it isn't treated with the same regard as some other battles we will examine, at least not by non-military. But it should be. This battle demonstrated just how amazingly brave American soldiers can be, and how much they are willing to endure. The valor of these men would set a pattern that would be repeated again and again all throughout the Pacific War. All of us who enjoy our freedom in this great country are in their debt, forever and ever.

This is why this a great thread. I've been learning and then delving deeper into the stories of heroes like General Wainwright who I never really ever read about other than tangentially. A remarkable man in his own right.The Phillipines surrender
We're the Battling Bastards of Bataan
No Mama, No Papa, No Uncle Sam
No aunts, no uncles, no cousins, no nieces
No pills, no planes, no artillery pieces
This was a popular refrain sung by the soldiers who remained. Most of them were bitter about MacArthur and held him in contempt. "I came through, and I shall return." What about them? This resentment had been growing for some time. Out of 142 official communiques sent out by MacArthur during the struggle, 109 of them referred exclusively to "I" or "General MacArthur". When the troops were mentioned, it was invariably "General MacArthur's men". Also a source of resentment: although all service families had been sent home long ago, MacArthur had insisted on keeping his with him, and when they left in the four torpedo boats, they took spots that might have been reserved for other officers or soldiers.
To make matters worse, MacArthur spurned members of the military that were not Army (and therefore, not under his command). Two days before leaving for Australia, MacArthur recommended all units in Bataan and Corregidor for unit citations with the exception of the Marine and navy units. General Sutherland, MacArthur's crony, stated, "the Marines had gotten far too much unearned glory in the last war and would get no more in this one." This remark was remembered throughout the Pacific War; MacArthur was blamed for it, and he was not forgiven.
Still, the splendid scarecrows of Wainwright fought on, Gaunt, sour of heart and stomach, ragged and red-eyed, bombed by day and shelled by night, they fought on. From both FDR and MacArthur had come orders not to surrender, and MacArthur had ordered a desperation counterattack as a last resort. However, General King on Bataan saw that he had to either surrender or have his people killed piecemeal. King surrendered on April 9, 1942. We shall return to the fate of these soldiers shortly.
That left Corregidor. Under steady aerial bombardment, Wainwright managed to hold out another 4 weeks until the Japanese succeeded in landing there. On May 6, with the Japanese within yards of Malinta Tunnel, Wainwright's men spiked guns, smashed equipment, and burned codes. Wainwright composed his last, sad message to Roosevelt:
With broken heart and head bowed in sadness but not in shame, with profound regret and with continued pride in my gallant men, I go to meet the Japanese commander. Goodbye, Mr. President.
The defense of the Phillippines, though ultimately a failure, delayed the Japanese timetables for over four months. Because it was not a military victory, it isn't treated with the same regard as some other battles we will examine, at least not by non-military. But it should be. This battle demonstrated just how amazingly brave American soldiers can be, and how much they are willing to endure. The valor of these men would set a pattern that would be repeated again and again all throughout the Pacific War. All of us who enjoy our freedom in this great country are in their debt, forever and ever.
Following the attack on Pearl Harbor, and Hitler's declaration of war on the US, Admiral Doenitz unleashed "Operation Paukenschlag" (Drumbeat), by deciding to target ships off the US coast and in the Caribbean. By this time the Germans had developed the snorkel, which allowed submarines to be submerged for long periods of time, and soon had the 1,000 ton "milk cow" submarines which could provide fuel and supplies to submarines so that they did not have to return to home port to refuel. The newer submarines could also travel at 8 knots submerged, which made them as fast or faster than most merchant ships.The Second Happy Time was the informal name for a phase in the Second Battle of the Atlantic during which Axis submarines attacked merchant shipping along the east coast of North America. The first "Happy time" was in 1940/41.It lasted from January 1942 to about August of that year. German submariners named it the happy time or the golden time as defence measures were weak and disorganised, and the U-boats were able to inflict massive damage with little risk. During the second happy time, Axis submarines sank 609 ships totaling 3.1 million tons for the loss of only 22 U-boats. This was roughly one quarter of all shipping sunk by U-boats during the entire Second World War.Amazingly enough, Admiral King, Chief of Naval Operations refused to order a blackout on US coastal cities (in spite of recommendations from Britain), so that merchant ships were usually sitting targets at night as they were silhouetted against the light of cities. The first sinking of a U-boat by a U.S. Navy ship off the coast of the U.S. did not occur until April 14, 1942, when the destroyer USS Roper sank the U-85. While it is true that the US Navy's objective was primarily on the war in the Pacific, some provision should have been made to have convoy service and more escort vessel produced.It is believed that the advertising campaign "Lose lips sink ships" may well have been more directed to keep the horrendous news of losses from the American public, than it was to prevent information from reaching the Germans.timschochet said:Great stuff as always, Ozymandias (Finally got the spelling right!)I know that the moment Hitler declared war on the United States, the U-Boats were finally unleashed against American shipping and for a while they went crazy. Can you discuss what American losses were like the first several months of 1942?
Polish Cavalry Charges Tanks!By Robert M. CitinoSaturday, August 22nd, 2009The headline of this post is one of the greatest and most enduring myths of World War II. Despite a complete lack of evidence to verify it, the notion keeps coming back: that on some unnamed battlefield, on some imprecise date, some unidentified unit of Polish cavalry–presumably with lances lowered–decided to have a go at some German Panzers.Like a lot of the mythology of the war, this one has come under attack by scholars and specialists for a long time now. As far back as 1991, Steven Zaloga and Victor Madej wrote a good book called The Polish Campaign that, to my mind, should have demolished the myth once and for all. They discuss a charge by the Polish 18th Lancer Regiment (part of the Pomorska Cavalry Brigade) against a weak German infantry position near the town of Krojanty in Pomerania on the first day of the invasion. Initially successful in dispersing the Germans, the 18th Lancers later came to grief when several German armored cars happened on the scene and opened up with their machine guns and light cannon. The regimental commander, Colonel Kazimierz Mastelarz, was killed in the incident. This “skirmish at Krojanty,” described in sensationalist terms by journalists like William Shirer, is almost certainly the source material for the fanciful tale of Polish cavalry charging tanks. We might also add that at times during the campaign, as Polish mounted units sought to evade or escape encirclement, they may indeed have encountered German Panzers. But that’s a long way from “charging” them.Such myth-busting has hardly seemed to matter, unfortunately. The story continues to have legs, as anyone who has ever taught a course on World War II can testify. Forget how improbable it is, even ridiculous. It’s almost as if we want it to be true, perhaps as an illustration of the power of the new German “Blitzkrieg,” perhaps as proof of the central role that technology plays in modern warfare, perhaps simply as a tribute to doomed heroism. German General Heinz Guderian included the tale in his memoirs as a sign of Polish backwardness (“The Polish Pomorska Cavalry Brigade, in ignorance of the nature of our tanks, had charged them with swords and lances…”) But Polish cavalry would hardly be surprised by the capabilities of tanks: each cavalry brigade had an armored troop attached to it, and the Polish army in 1939 contained the not-inconsiderable number of 600 tanks.Cavalry charging tanks. A lot of people have bought this one for years. It makes me wonder what other “facts” about the war we still need to call into question.
I must admit I knew about the internment, but had not known how bad it had been. You are right, it was shameful.Executive Order 9066 Part Two
Under 9066, DeWitt issued Civilian Exclusion Order #20, which was nailed to doors like quarantine orders. All persons of Japanese ancestry were given 48 hours to dispose of their homes, businesses, and furnitures, during their period of resettlement they would be permitted to carry only personal belongings, no hand luggage. All investments and bank accounts were forfeited. Denied the right to appeal, or even protest, the Japanese-Americans on the mainland thus lost 70 million dollars in farm acreage and equipment, 35 million in fruits and vegetables, nearly 500 million in annual income, and savings, stocks and bonds beyond reckoning.
Beginning March 30, the Issei and Nisei were rounded up. It was a brisk Army operation; toddlers were issued tags like luggage, and presently truck conveys drew up. From the sidewalks, soldiers shouted, "Out, Japs!" The trucks took the internees to 15 assembly areas, among them Pasadena's Rose Bowl, and the Santa Anita racetracks. The tracks were the worst because families were housed in horse stalls. These areas were only temporary quarters. The prisoners received identity cards and awaiting transport to 11 huge "relocation centers." These places were all on federal land, usually the most desolate land in the country.
We must define the relocation centers as concentration camps, because by definition that is exactly what they were. The average family of 6 or 7 members was allowed an "apartment" measuring 20 by 25 feet. None had a stove or running water. Each block of barracks shared a community laundry, mess hall, latrines, and open shower stalls, where women were forced to bathe in full view of the sentries.
They were to spend 3 years on dreary tracts east of the Sierra Nevadas, in California's Owens Valley, and at Tule Lake, in Northern California's remote Siskiyou County. Surrounded by barbed wire, with powerful searchlights in watchtowers sweeping their windows each night, they struggled to recapture something of the life they had known before Pearl Harbor, teaching the children, holding church services, and attending what eventually turned out to be 2,120 marriages, 5,981 christenings, and 1,862 funerals.
The ACLU's case went all the way to the Supreme Court. It took over 2 years, and to it's eternal shame, the Court handed down a decision that ranks with Dred Scott and Plessey vs. Ferguson as among it's worst ever. Justice Black wrote that California had been threatened with invasion, the authority of the military was paramount, and the Japanese hadn't been imprisoned because of racial prejudice anyhow. As dissenters Roberts, Murphy, and Jackson pointed out, if it was not because of racism, why didn't German Americans and Italian Americans receive the same fate? No answer was given, nor would it have mattered. The decision received very little press. and in any case it expressed the will of the vast majority of Americans. The Hearst Press continued to keep up the pressure; that same month, they reported that a prisoner riot at Tule Lake "proved the disloyalty of these so-called Americans".
There was no riot at Tule. At no time during the detentions were there any disturbances in the camps. Amazingly, the patriotism of the Japanese-Americans had been almost wholly unaffected by their mistreatment. With incredible stoicism they accepted their fate. The Japanese phrase, "Shigata Ga Nai" which means, "It is what it is" or "What is to be done?" was on everyone's lips. They planted trees, organized activities, and tried to help the war effort in anyway they could, like painting War Bond posters, knowing they would be paid nothing. They had baseball leagues. To the confusion of their guards, they assembled each morning to raise the Stars and Stripes and salute it while their Boy Scout drum and bugle corps (every camp had one) played the National Anthem. The two most popular classes were the English language and American history. Saturday evenings they sang "America the Beautiful", and after January 28, 1943, the men of military age did a lot more than sing.
That was the day Stimson announced that the Army would accept Nisei volunteers. Why they did this, the protests within the Army that followed, and the ultimate result I shall relate in detail later: it is a story that will rank among the greatest I have to relate in this entire narrative. Let me conclude for now with the fact that on the same day the announcement was made, 1,200 men immediately enlisted, and within two months, 17,600 Japanese had joined the Army, taking the recruit's oath of allegience behind barbed wire.
Yeah, I covered this guy earlier. I was hoping some math whiz could come along and explain to us, in layman's terms, just exactly how the German code was broken. I read about it, but I couldn't understand it.
As a sidenote, there was a very good movie made about the Doolittle raid, called "30 Seconds Over Tokyo" that was released in 1944 and starred Spencer Tracy as Doolittle and Van Johnson as one of the pilots. It was surprisingly accurate for this kind of "feel good" morale boosting movie and incorporated actual footage of the B-25s in training and launching from the carriers.The film begins in February 1942 as the United States Army Air Forces plan to retaliate for the Pearl Harbor attack by bombing Tokyo and four other Japanese cities. Lt Col "Jimmy" Doolittle (Spencer Tracy), the leader of the mission, assembles a volunteer force of aircrews who begin their top secret training by learning to take their B-25 Mitchell medium bombers off in the short distance of 500 feet or less to simulate taking off from the deck of an aircraft carrier. After depicting the squadron's month of hazardous training in Florida, the story goes on to describe the raid's successful launch from the carrier USS Hornet, the harrowing attacks on Japan by the 16 B-25s, and the raid's aftermath.The Doolittle Raid
This came about because FDR wanted to bomb Tokyo as a lift to American morale and a psychological blow to the Japanese. Admirals King and Nimitz (Cincpac, who had replaced Kimmel) knew that land based bombers could not do it, but they agreed that the B-25 Mitchell medium bombers based on an aircraft carrier could. Lt. Colonel James Doolittle, a distinguished aviator and aeronautical engineer would lead them.
The task was difficult. B-25s were not used to taking off in such confined spaces. For a month Dolittle and his crew of pilots practiced takeoffs from abbreviated runways until they believed they had licked the problem. They knew that, once in flight, they could not return to the carrier; they would have to take their chances landing in China.
Admiral William (Bull) Halsey was an energetic fighting man who always had a memorable phrase that was often repeated. When Pearl Harbor occurred, he had said, "Before we're through with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in Hell!" Now, commanding the task force that included the Hornet and Enterprise, Halsey said, "This force is bound for Tokyo!" thrilling his men. The task force was supposed to get within 400 miles of Japan, but Halsey was warned not to risk the carriers. At around 550 miles from the target, the fleet spotted some picket boats, and he informed Doolittle that he could go no further. Undaunted, the pilots took off 150 miles farther than was originally planned.
In Tokyo it was like a nightmare come out of the sky. Two bombers suddenly appeared at treetop level, released their 500 pound bombs, then sped away unharmed. Twenty minutes later the other 14 bombers appeared. They were met by heavy but generally inaccurate AA. Two of the American bombers were damaged; 15 of them reached China. With their fuel exhausted, they either crash landed ot abandoned their planes in flight. The last plane somehow landed in the U.S.S.R., where the crew was interned for over 14 months. (This sounds like a fascinating story, but I don't have any more information about it. The Wiki entry reads: the crew who flew to Russia landed 40 miles (65 km) beyond Vladivostok, where their B-25 was confiscated and the crew interned until they managed to escape through Iran in 1943. Why would American pilots need to escape from the Soviet Union?)
The crews of the two planes that wered damaged were captured by the Japanese in China. They were tried, found guilty, and sentenced to death. Three of them were graciously given life imprisonment; one died in captivity. The others were beheaded.
The United States was electrified by the news that the enemy capital had been bombed. Asked where the planes had come from, FDR just grinned and said, "Shangri La."
Japan was horrified. For the first time ever an enemy had struck at the homeland. The ears of the divine Emperor had been profaned by the sound of American bombs exploding. Yamamoto was so mortified that he put on dress whites and called at the Imperial Palace to apologize personally to Hirohito. Yamamoto used this opportunity to lash at his opponents of the planned Midway operation. Never again! He swore. The Americans must be driven so far back that they could not again even think of insulting the Emperor! In May, 1942, the first part of the campaign began with invasion forces sailing for Tulagi and Port Moseby.
Tulagi was easily taken. Admiral Inoue, the commander of the task force, believed that Port Moseby would be easy as well, since the carriers who had accompanied the Doolittle raid could not return in time. What he was unaware of was that Yorktown, a carrier under the command of Admiral Frank Jack Fletcher, was already in the Coral Sea, and that Nimitz had a new carrier added to his Pacific Fleet, the Lexington. That made 4 all together. The Japanese also did not know that their codes had been broken. Nimitz knew where Inoue was going; now he ordered Lexington to join Yorktown. The Battle of the Coral Sea was on.
Ozymandius will take it from here.
Because the Lexington was afloat for hours after the attack, most of the crew, including the captain, were rescued. However, 216 of the 3,000 crew, went down with the ship.My wife has an aunt in her late 70's who married young, and her first husband was aboard Lexington as a sailor. According to her, he abandoned ship in the Coral Sea and was fished out of the water on a life boat and made it to a destroyer. I don't have any more details, wish I did!
I've read some stuff about US pilots interned in Siberia and IIRC it had to do with Soviet secrecy about what was going on out there. As I also recall, there were some instances of B-29 pilots crash-landing there in the later part of the war. Stalin's paranoia about the US knowing what he was doing cannot be underestimated, even during the time we were their "allies". The Russians probably thought that the Doolittle guys were spys and so held them for that reason alone.And comparing Alec Baldwin to Spencer Tracy is ludicrious.Does anyone have any more info on the B-25 that landed in Russia? I'm really fascinated by this story; I'd like to know why they were interned, why the State Department didn't insist they be released immediately (or if it was unknown, whether or not it created a controversy when it was revealed) why they were forced to escape and how they did so. Sounds like a great plot for a movie.
The flick Pearl Harbor also covers the Doolittle Raid, if you can stomach Alec Baldwin as Doolittle.
Probably had something to do with Stalin's wishes to not provoke the Japanese. While they were fighting the Germans the Soviets did not want to get involved in a land battle with the Japanese. The main bulk of the Japanese Army was located in China within easy striking distance of Vladivostock and other Siberian outposts.Does anyone have any more info on the B-25 that landed in Russia? I'm really fascinated by this story; I'd like to know why they were interned, why the State Department didn't insist they be released immediately (or if it was unknown, whether or not it created a controversy when it was revealed) why they were forced to escape and how they did so. Sounds like a great plot for a movie.
The flick Pearl Harbor also covers the Doolittle Raid, if you can stomach Alec Baldwin as Doolittle.