World's Greatest Draft (2 Viewers)

[Ozymandias]

Knock it off, Carrot Top. In a list of the 20 greatest athletes of all time, there are only 2 soccer players who could make the list, and the other one isn't on my list.

 

[thatguy]

Knock it off, Carrot Top. In a list of the 20 greatest athletes of all time, there are only 2 soccer players who could make the list, and the other one isn't on my list.

Um, okay. :

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Dude. Come on.

Everyone else is name dropping at this stage. I was felling left out.Seriously, I've had 3 people I wanted to draft name dropped by others, so I don't really care anymore

Thanks for editing it out in any case.

It's interesting to me that the generally accepted next tier of soccer players below Pele seem to be players who have been active fairly recently or are still playing. For a sport with the history and worldwide popularity that it has, there seems to be a dearth of "All-Time" greats.

That's because you don't know the sport. There's ... Look them up.

Like most Americans, guilty as charged on not knowing the sport. In casual poking around, none of those names seem to come up in the discussion for the top players of all time though. Most often you see a couple of active players and one who retired a decade ago, who has already been mentioned here.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Knock it off, Carrot Top. In a list of the 20 greatest athletes of all time, there are only 2 soccer players who could make the list, and the other one isn't on my list.

I'd love to see the Wizard of the Dribble drafted, dude is right up there with George Blanda/Xxxxxx Xxxx in terms of amazing longevity.

But since George and Xxxxxx aren't going in this draft...

Arsenal - you looking at lists off soccer forums or internet polls? Because I think if you dig around you'll find well researched articles that include players from other eras.

I agree with Ozy, probably not more than 2-3 futbol players will be drafted. Too many other sports to consider.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Knock it off, Carrot Top. In a list of the 20 greatest athletes of all time, there are only 2 soccer players who could make the list, and the other one isn't on my list.

I'd love to see the Wizard of the Dribble drafted, dude is right up there with George Blanda/Xxxxxx Xxxx in terms of amazing longevity.

But since George and Xxxxxx aren't going in this draft...

Arsenal - you looking at lists off soccer forums or internet polls? Because I think if you dig around you'll find well researched articles that include players from other eras.

I agree with Ozy, probably not more than 2-3 futbol players will be drafted. Too many other sports to consider.

I have no doubt - like I said, my research was pretty casual. I was just struck by the consistency of the modern names being mentioned. I suppose it's not any different than the modern prejudice you might see if you went to the wrong football forum and had a discussion about the best QB of all time being dominated by Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Knock it off, Carrot Top. In a list of the 20 greatest athletes of all time, there are only 2 soccer players who could make the list, and the other one isn't on my list.

I'd love to see the Wizard of the Dribble drafted, dude is right up there with George Blanda/Xxxxxx Xxxx in terms of amazing longevity.

But since George and Xxxxxx aren't going in this draft...

Arsenal - you looking at lists off soccer forums or internet polls? Because I think if you dig around you'll find well researched articles that include players from other eras.

I agree with Ozy, probably not more than 2-3 futbol players will be drafted. Too many other sports to consider.

I have no doubt - like I said, my research was pretty casual. I was just struck by the consistency of the modern names being mentioned. I suppose it's not any different than the modern prejudice you might see if you went to the wrong football forum and had a discussion about the best QB of all time being dominated by Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

Exactly. Run a top 10 or top 20 around here and nobody is going to list Johnny U or Bart Starr.

 

[BobbyLayne]

So this is interesting.

Look at the categories.

Wow. Stephen Davis in the 3rd is almost as big a reach as Thomas Jefferson one pick in front of him.

Inside joke/running gag over there for years.

You nevah bench Stephen Davis

Obviously a little different tone to their draft.

 

[mad sweeney]

this music video is even dumber than I couldve imagined. A French middle aged club singer wannabe #####cat doll. Horrible song ridiculously stupid production people. On top of that all though is one backup dancer that I couldn't stop looking at because I recognized her and thought no way cold it be her. As a backup dancer in a ####ty video?! But it's her. In the video as a favor to the singers manager (whom the backup dancer is apparently dating). I confirmed her identity when she walked by and had the Olympics logo tattooed on her neck. Hottest american gymnast of all time Alicia Sacramone!

You have my contact information. I expect pictures ASAP.

Sorry Fly, never had the chance. Really wanted to get to speak to her for a minute, thought she showed tremendous leadership at the Olympics in how she handled her gaffes. IIRC, the US wouldn't have won ubless she gave a perfect performance due to level of difficulty or something. sadly she left at lunch. Three things I'll say about her. She's hot. She's fleshed out very nicely in almost all the right places (buttocks are still way too compact) since she retired. Two, she's not a great dancer compared to the other girls though I have no doubt if she's working at this for a career she'll catch up. Different skill set to hip hop dancing than world gymnastics. Obviusly her tumbling, flips and backbends were effortless and blew the other girls away. Three, if she's really dating this slimeball wannabe player pretend music mogul with all his big sun glasses and bluetooth entourage then I really will have to lose some respect for her.Best I can do is post a link to the video on youtube in a week or so when they cut it. Believe me, I really wanted a picture with her. The last time I took a pic with anyone I didn't work with for a long time was 8 or 9 years ago when Mark Hamill came on my show for 2 days. I just don't get starstruck anymore unless it's something personal to me.

Anyways, good luck with our team.

 

[thatguy]

So this is interesting.

Look at the categories.

Wow. Stephen Davis in the 3rd is almost as big a reach as Thomas Jefferson one pick in front of him.

Inside joke/running gag over there for years.

You nevah bench Stephen Davis

Obviously a little different tone to their draft.

And what's the backstory for Tommie Maddox going in the first round?

 

[timschochet]

Post by Voltaire, the draft creator over there:

After thehuddle implodes in 2001, I went over to FBG first before I came here. It was a new site in it's first offseason. But I had managment issues (got banned for no reason, saw all the other thehuddle people, quality people, getting banned around me as well) so said "#### it, I don't need the aggravation." I swore the place off and have been perfectly content to ignore their site for seven or eight years. I liked it better here at the time.

Well then a couple of weeks ago a FBG friend asked me to help him as a consultant to put together a "World's Greatest" draft. When I saw what was going on at FBG and how they actually can do somethng like this -well- I couldn't believe myself. I'm actually really impressed with the insightful posters there and what they've been able to do. Then I contrasted it to this dump and wondered if we could scrape together enough brain residue to pull off something like that here.

Well, that's nice, actually. Imitation is, after all, the sincerest form of flattery. On a side note, I've tried to pay close attention to what causes Joe and the Mods to ban people (mainly at first so I wouldn't get banned or suspended myself!) and I have to say that, with very few exceptions, I really admire and agree with their judgment. The main thing Joe won't tolerate is rudeness, and I think that is very fair. So long as we are not rude here, any kind of discussion goes. I think that is the reason we are able to successfully have, in certain threads, a high level of intellectual debate and discussion. If this guy Voltaire would pay attention, he might realize that it's not such a surprise that the rules here set up by Joe Bryant would actually result in a thread like this one- in point of fact, they're designed to do so.

 

[timschochet]

Leon Trotsky, like his boss Lenin, is another great villain. I've read excerpts of his book on the Russian Revolution, and it's rather sickening to read his gleefulness in the mass execution of intelligentsia and the borgeouis. His involvement in the first great purge of the Menshiviks, Social Revolutionaries, and Krondstadt sailors is one of the terrible crimes in Russian history. Despite his pretense at intellectualism, this man really was a thug and murderer, like so many of the Bolsheviks.

Yet it must also be said that if not for Trotsky's organization of the Red Army, the Civil War which followed the October Revolution would have been lost by the Bolsheviks. So he must be given great credit for their victory (and of course great responsibility for all of the misery that befell the Russian people thereafter.) It must also be said that, since he was not a paranoid killer like Stalin, life in the Russian regime under Trotsky, had he won the great political struggle of the 1920's, would have been easier for Russians (with the exception of the Ukrainians and Kulaks, who under Trotsky would still have been collectivized and mass murdered.) But who knows? Perhaps a Trotsky regime would have lost the 2nd World War. Or perhaps there never would have been a World War II, since there never would have been a Nazi-Soviet pact, which means Hitler might have been stopped in his tracks over the invasion of Poland.

 

[BobbyLayne]

So this is interesting.

Look at the categories.

Wow. Stephen Davis in the 3rd is almost as big a reach as Thomas Jefferson one pick in front of him.

Inside joke/running gag over there for years.

You nevah bench Stephen Davis

Obviously a little different tone to their draft.

And what's the backstory for Tommie Maddox going in the first round?

Yeah, that's an all-time classic, top ten probably.

2003 or 2004 a Stillers homer was talking trash in a season prediction threade and somebody pointed out they don't even have a QB. So he took it to a seperate, posting the unforgettable headline:

BOLD PREDICTION: Tommy Maddox will throw for 5,000 yards this season

He got killed for days, but he never back down, kept arguing vociferously.

He only came up about 1,600 short.

We bumped that one all season long. Years, actually.

 

[Mjolnirs]

Got a nice threatening PM from Bobby. I'm out so no writeup right now. Also hope that she wasn't picked already. PM me if she was. Bobby please send PM to Yankee for meMargaret Thatcher- wild card

She'd make a perfect villain.

Could you expand on this?

I used to love watching Aussie rules football when I was a little kid and they played it on ESPN.

Loved watching that. I didn't always know what was going on, but loads of fun to watch.

 

[BobbyLayne]

112 picks until the finish (aside - we have done 25-30 per day, especially if we keep it going when the clock is off)

Skipped Pick

NONE

17.09 Doug B - Next Selection

17.10 Mad Sweeney - On Deck

17.11 Big Rocks - In the Hole

17.12 higgins

17.13 John Madden's Lunchbox

17.14 Usual21

17.15 thatguy

17.16 Andy Dufresne

17.17 Herbert The Hippo

17.18 BobbyLayne

17.19 Mister CIA

17.20 Abrantes

18.01 Abrantes

18.02 Mister CIA

17.19 Mister CIA

17.20 Abrantes

18.01 Abrantes

18.02 Mister CIA

18.03 BobbyLayne

18.04 Herbert The Hippo

 

[timschochet]

Got a nice threatening PM from Bobby. I'm out so no writeup right now. Also hope that she wasn't picked already. PM me if she was. Bobby please send PM to Yankee for meMargaret Thatcher- wild card

She'd make a perfect villain.

Could you expand on this?

According to JML, Lenin is not so bad. Margaret Thatcher, however, now THERE'S a real villain!

 

[Yankee23Fan]

So...... Hi.

 

[BobbyLayne]

So...... Hi.

Doug B was here...but drifted...off...So you going to the new Stadium anytime soon?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

So...... Hi.

Doug B was here...but drifted...off...So you going to the new Stadium anytime soon?

We're trying to get a huge group together for an August game. I'm still bummed that there is a new stadium though.

 

[Doug B]

Doug B was here...but drifted...off...

Was getting caught up on the first page. Will pick shortly.

 

[BobbyLayne]

So...... Hi.

Doug B was here...but drifted...off...So you going to the new Stadium anytime soon?

We're trying to get a huge group together for an August game. I'm still bummed that there is a new stadium though.

I hear ya. I'm still not over Tigers Stadium yet (it's only been 9 years).Buddy of mine took a tour last week for season ticket holders. It's gonna be sweet - but no matter what, it ain't the same.

 

[Doug B]

Skip my turn ... I'll return ASAP to pick.

 

[Ozymandias]

Have we hit the wall that marathoners talk about?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Mad Sweeney on the left coast?

Skipped Pick

17.09 Doug B

17.10 Mad Sweeney - Next Selection OTC until 11:18 a.m. EST

17.11 Big Rocks - On Deck

17.12 higgins - In the Hole

17.13 John Madden's Lunchbox

17.14 Usual21

17.15 thatguy

17.16 Andy Dufresne

17.17 Herbert The Hippo

17.18 BobbyLayne

17.19 Mister CIA

17.20 Abrantes

18.01 Abrantes

18.02 Mister CIA

17.19 Mister CIA

17.20 Abrantes

18.01 Abrantes

18.02 Mister CIA

18.03 BobbyLayne

18.04 Herbert The Hippo

18.05 Andy Dufresne

 

[FUBAR]

Have we hit the wall that marathoners talk about?

this is like mile 20. We're still moving, but our legs are heavy and this is where the "will to power" kicks in.

 

[Doug B]

Had this guy typed in an hour ago, had second thoughts, and now third thoughts. But here goes:

17.9 - Prince Henry the Navigator, Wild Card

The Infante Henrique, Duke of Viseu (Porto, March 4, 1394 – November 13, 1460) in Sagres) was an infante (prince) of the Portuguese House of Aviz and an important figure in the early days of the Portuguese Empire, being responsible for the beginning of the European worldwide explorations. He is known in English as Prince Henry the Navigator ...

Henry was born in 1394 in Porto ... Henry was 21 when he, his father and brothers conquered the Moorish port of Ceuta in northern Morocco, that had been for a long time the base for Barbary pirates that assaulted the Portuguese coast, depopulating villages by capturing their inhabitants to be sold in the African slave market. This attack was successful, as it inspired Henry to explore down the coast of Africa, most of which was unknown to Europeans. The desire to locate the source of the West African gold trade, find the legendary Christian kingdom of Prester John, and stop the pirate attacks on the Portuguese coast were three of his main interests in the region.

The ships that sailed the Mediterranean at that time were too slow and too heavy to make these voyages. Under his direction, a new and much lighter ship was developed, the caravel (a light and maneuverable vessel that used the lateen sail of the Arabs), which would allow sea captains to sail further, faster and much more efficiently.

Until Henry's time, Cape Bojador [on the coast of modern-day Western Sahara] remained the most southerly point known to Europeans on the unpromising desert coast of Africa ... [the commander of one of Henry's expeditions] became the first European known to pass Cape Bojador in 1434. This was a breakthrough as it was considered close to the end of the world, with difficult currents that did not encourage commercial enterprise.

 

[krista4]

17.07 Petrarch, Poet/Playwright

Francesco Petrarca (July 20, 1304 – July 19, 1374), known in English as Petrarch, was an Italian scholar, poet and one of the earliest Renaissance humanists. Petrarch is often popularly called the "Father of Humanism".[1] Based on Petrarch's works, and to a lesser extent those of (redacted) in the 16th century created the model for the modern Italian language, later endorsed by the Accademia della Crusca. Petrarch is credited with developing the sonnet to a level of perfection that would be unsurpassed to this day and spreading its use to other European languages. His sonnets were admired and imitated throughout Europe during the Renaissance and became a model for lyrical poetry. Petrarch was also known for being one of the first people to call the Middle Ages the Dark Ages, although the negative connotation of that word, as we know it today, is largely the legacy of romantic literature.

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Petrarch is traditionally called the father of Humanism and considered by many to be the "father of the Renaissance." He was the first to offer a combining of abstract entities of classical culture and Christian philosophy. In his work Secretum meum he points out that secular achievements didn't necessarily preclude an authentic relationship with God. Petrarch argued instead that God had given humans their vast intellectual and creative potential to be used to their fullest.[21] He inspired humanist philosophy which led to the intellectual flowering of the Renaissance. He believed in the immense moral and practical value of the study of ancient history and literature - that is, the study of human thought and action. Petrarch was a devout Catholic and did not see a conflict between realizing humanity's potential and having religious faith. A highly introspective man, he shaped the nascent humanist movement a great deal because many of the internal conflicts and musings expressed in his writings were seized upon by Renaissance humanist philosophers and argued continually for the next 200 years. For example, Petrarch struggled with the proper relation between the active and contemplative life, and tended to emphasize the importance of solitude and study. Later politician and thinker (redacted) argued for the active life, or "civic humanism." As a result, a number of political, military, and religious leaders during the Renaissance were inculcated with the notion that their pursuit of personal glory should be grounded in classical example and philosophical contemplation.

I may move him depending on how things shake out, but I think pretty good value for round 17.

You guys are killing me with the poets/playwrights. Seriously, every single one of them has been a "10". My top three are clear, but slotting the 4-20 guys is a nightmare. No bad picks in this category.

 

[Thorn]

17.07 Petrarch, Poet/Playwright

Francesco Petrarca (July 20, 1304 – July 19, 1374), known in English as Petrarch, was an Italian scholar, poet and one of the earliest Renaissance humanists. Petrarch is often popularly called the "Father of Humanism".[1] Based on Petrarch's works, and to a lesser extent those of (redacted) in the 16th century created the model for the modern Italian language, later endorsed by the Accademia della Crusca. Petrarch is credited with developing the sonnet to a level of perfection that would be unsurpassed to this day and spreading its use to other European languages. His sonnets were admired and imitated throughout Europe during the Renaissance and became a model for lyrical poetry. Petrarch was also known for being one of the first people to call the Middle Ages the Dark Ages, although the negative connotation of that word, as we know it today, is largely the legacy of romantic literature.

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Petrarch is traditionally called the father of Humanism and considered by many to be the "father of the Renaissance." He was the first to offer a combining of abstract entities of classical culture and Christian philosophy. In his work Secretum meum he points out that secular achievements didn't necessarily preclude an authentic relationship with God. Petrarch argued instead that God had given humans their vast intellectual and creative potential to be used to their fullest.[21] He inspired humanist philosophy which led to the intellectual flowering of the Renaissance. He believed in the immense moral and practical value of the study of ancient history and literature - that is, the study of human thought and action. Petrarch was a devout Catholic and did not see a conflict between realizing humanity's potential and having religious faith. A highly introspective man, he shaped the nascent humanist movement a great deal because many of the internal conflicts and musings expressed in his writings were seized upon by Renaissance humanist philosophers and argued continually for the next 200 years. For example, Petrarch struggled with the proper relation between the active and contemplative life, and tended to emphasize the importance of solitude and study. Later politician and thinker (redacted) argued for the active life, or "civic humanism." As a result, a number of political, military, and religious leaders during the Renaissance were inculcated with the notion that their pursuit of personal glory should be grounded in classical example and philosophical contemplation.

I may move him depending on how things shake out, but I think pretty good value for round 17.

You guys are killing me with the poets/playwrights. Seriously, every single one of them has been a "10". My top three are clear, but slotting the 4-20 guys is a nightmare. No bad picks in this category.

Petrarch goes to eleven.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Petrarch goes to eleven.

 

[krista4]

Petrarch goes to eleven.

I get a daily e-mail called "The Writer's Almanac"--it starts with a poem and then has several tidbits about writers having birthdays that day and important literary events that happened that day and whatnot. In today's e-mail, this was one of the entries:On this day in 1327, the Italian poet Petrarch saw the woman he called Laura for the first time, and he spent the next 50 years writing poems for her. He was living in Avignon, and he went to a Good Friday service in the church of Sainte Claire and saw a beautiful woman with long golden hair and dark eyes. He fell immediately in love. Laura was probably Laura de Noves, the wife of a nobleman named Hugues de Sade. She did not return Petrarch's love, but he never loved another woman and wrote all his sonnets for her. The sonnet form had been around since the 13th century, but it was Petrarch who made it famous. He wrote his sonnets with one section of eight lines and one section of six — a style we now call the "Petrarchan sonnet." He wrote 366 sonnets about Laura. He wrote, "It was on that day when the sun's ray/was darkened in pity for its Maker,/that I was captured, and did not defend myself,/because your lovely eyes had bound me, Lady."

 

[BobbyLayne]

She did not return Petrarch's love, but he never loved another woman and wrote all his sonnets for her. He wrote 366 sonnets about Laura.

Aw, the good olde days when unrequited loved didn't result in a restraining order.

 

[rodg12]

She did not return Petrarch's love, but he never loved another woman and wrote all his sonnets for her. He wrote 366 sonnets about Laura.

Aw, the good olde days when unrequited loved didn't result in a restraining order.

 

[HERBERT THE HIPPO]

SOMEONE EFFIN PICK ALREADY!!!!

 

[AcerFC]

Have we hit the wall that marathoners talk about?

this is like mile 20. We're still moving, but our legs are heavy and this is where the "will to power" kicks in.

Having run in a marathon, I will say that this is worse. Although I contributed a bit falling asleep early the other night

 

[Yankee23Fan]

SOMEONE EFFIN PICK ALREADY!!!!

I select Zoloft. I'll share.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Sent PMs to Mad Sweeney and Big Rocks

Skipped Pick

17.10 Mad Sweeney (timed out 11:18 a.m. EST)

17.11 Big Rocks - PICK OR DIE OTC until 12:18 p.m. EST

17.12 higgins - On Deck

17.13 John Madden's Lunchbox - In the Hole

17.14 Usual21

17.15 thatguy

17.16 Andy Dufresne

17.17 Herbert The Hippo

17.18 BobbyLayne

17.19 Mister CIA

17.20 Abrantes

18.01 Abrantes

18.02 Mister CIA

18.03 BobbyLayne

18.04 Herbert The Hippo

18.05 Andy Dufresne

18.06 thatguy

18.07 Usual21

18.08 John Madden's Lunchbox

18.09 higgins

18.10 Big Rocks

 

[rodg12]

Unlike the last pick, Joe Louis is an excellent choice. Not only did he enjoy worldwide recognition, he was actually representative of the idealism of the United States, especially in his battles against Max Schmeling. It is true that, during Louis' lifetime, boxing was a sport dominated by American athletes, but one that was still followed avidly all over the globe. Great, great pick.

The name Joe Louis might have been a name 30 years ago, but now ask someone to anme a boxer anda) It will depend what country they are fromand b it is almost certainly likely to be Ali or Tyson.A boxing fan knows who Joe Louis is, the man in the street not so much.

You have to look at what their world reknown was in their time.Some 25-30 year old came in here last week (I forget who it was) and made the preposterous argument with Doug B that Jackie O wasn't a big celebrity.There was no more famous 'reluctant celebrity' before her, but his contention was someone of a certain age (30 and under or some silly number) wouldn't know her if they saw her picture. The logic is absurd. It's not about who is recognizable or famous for today only.

That was me. She's a weak celebrity pick anyway you want to measure it. One of the worst value picks of the entire draft. Even if you argue she was super big during her time, there are so many options who are just as big currently and have been over the last 40 years that it greatly diminishes her value. With the proliferation of the internet, I'd argue current celebrities are much bigger during 'their time' than anyone who proceeded them. Also, if that celebrity has so little staying power that 40 years after 'their time' such a small percentage of people born outside 'their time' wouldn't recognize him/her, are they really a celebrity? But then this rules out current celebrities because we have no idea what their staying power will be. This is why I hate this category. No good way to determine what makes a celebrity. Plus, by whatever measure you want to go with, the category is so deep with so little difference between the candidates that it's much like Kicker in fantasy football. Why waste an early pick on it??

 

[FUBAR]

Have we hit the wall that marathoners talk about?

this is like mile 20. We're still moving, but our legs are heavy and this is where the "will to power" kicks in.

Having run in a marathon, I will say that this is worse. Although I contributed a bit falling asleep early the other night

Here, I can just click off this thread and drink a beer or milkshake.

 

[Big Rocks]

17.11 Joseph Smith, religious person

He's famous for pulling a religion out of his ###:

Joseph Smith, Jr. (December 23, 1805 – June 27, 1844) was the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, also known as Mormonism, and an important religious and political figure during the 1830s and 1840s. In 1827, Smith began to gather a religious following after announcing that an angel had shown him a set of golden plates describing a visit of Jesus to the indigenous peoples of the Americas. In 1830, Smith published what he said was a translation of these plates as the Book of Mormon, and the same year he organized the Church of Christ.

For most of the 1830s, Smith lived in Kirtland, Ohio, which remained the headquarters of the church until the cost of building a large temple, financial collapse, and conflict with disaffected members encouraged him to gather the church to the Latter Day Saint settlement in Missouri. There, tensions between church members and non-Mormons escalated into the 1838 Mormon War. Smith and his followers then settled in Nauvoo, Illinois where they began building a second temple aided by new converts from Europe. After being accused of practicing polygamy, and of aspiring to create a theocracy, Smith encouraged the suppression of a newspaper that had published accusations against him, leading to his assassination by a mob of non-Mormons.

Joseph Smith's legacy includes several religious denominations with adherents numbering in the millions, denominations that share a belief in Jesus but which vary in their acceptance of each other and of traditional Christian beliefs. Smith's followers consider him a prophet and believe that some of his revelations are sacred texts on par with the Bible.

 

[krista4]

17.11 Joseph Smith, religious person

He's famous for pulling a religion out of his ###:

 

[BobbyLayne]

17.11 Joseph Smith, religious person

He's famous for pulling a religion out of his ###:

:championship:

 

[higgins]

17.12 -- Byzantine Emperor Justinian I, Intellectual.

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Justinian achieved lasting fame through his judicial reforms, particularly through the complete revision of all Roman law, something that had not previously been attempted. The total of Justinian's legislature is known today as the Corpus juris civilis. It consists of the Codex Justinianus, the Digesta or Pandectae, the Institutiones, and the Novellae.

Early in his reign, Justinian appointed the quaestor Tribonian to oversee this task. The first draft of the Codex Justinianus, a codification of imperial constitutions from the 2nd century onward, was issued on 7 April 529. (The final version appeared in 534.) It was followed by the Digesta (or Pandectae), a compilation of older legal texts, in 533, and by the Institutiones, a textbook explaining the principles of law. The Novellae, a collection of new laws issued during Justinian's reign, supplements the Corpus. As opposed to the rest of the corpus, the Novellae appeared in Greek, the common language of the Eastern Empire.

The Corpus forms the basis of Latin jurisprudence (including ecclesiastical Canon Law) and, for historians, provides a valuable insight into the concerns and activities of the later Roman Empire. As a collection it gathers together the many sources in which the leges (laws) and the other rules were expressed or published: proper laws, senatorial consults (senatusconsulta), imperial decrees, case law, and jurists' opinions and interpretations (responsa prudentum).

Tribonian's code ensured the survival of Roman law. It formed the basis of later Byzantine law, as expressed in the Basilika of Basil I and Leo VI the Wise. The only western province where the Justinianic code was introduced was Italy (after the conquest, by the so-called Pragmatic Sanction of 554), from where it was to pass to Western Europe in the 12th century and become the basis of much European law code. It eventually passed to Eastern Europe where it appeared in Slavic editions, and it also passed on to Russia. It remains influential to this day.

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The Corpus Juris Civilis ("Body of Civil Law") is the modern name[1] for a collection of fundamental works in jurisprudence, issued from 529 to 534 by order of Justinian I, Byzantine Emperor.

This code compiled, in the Latin language, all of the existing imperial constitutiones (imperial pronouncements having the force of law), back to the time of Hadrian. It used both the Codex Theodosianus and the fourth-century collections embodied in the Codex Gregorianus and Codex Hermogenianus, which provided the model for division into books that were divided into titles. These codices had developed authoritative standing.

Justinian gave orders to collect legal materials of various kinds into several new codes, spurred on by the revival of interest in the study of Roman law in the Middle Ages. This revived Roman law, in turn, became the foundation of law in all civil law jurisdictions. The provisions of the Corpus Juris Civilis also influenced the Canon Law of the church since it was said that ecclesia vivit lege romana — the church lives under Roman law.

The work was directed by Tribonian, an official in Justinian's court, and distributed in three parts: Digesta (or "Pandectae"), Institutiones, and the Codex Constitutionum. A fourth part, the Novels (or "Novellae Constitutiones"), was added later.

The Corpus Juris Civilis was composed and distributed in the Latin language, which was still the official language of the government of the Empire in 529-534 A.D., whereas the prevalent language of merchants, farmers, seamen, and other citizens was Greek. By the early 7th century, the official government language segued into the Greek under the lengthy reign of Heraclius (610-641).

Codex Justinianus

The Codex Justinianus (Code of Justinian, Justinian's Code) was the first part to be completed, on April 7, 529 A.D. It collects the constitutiones of the Roman Emperors. The earliest statute preserved in the code was enacted by Emperor Hadrian; the latest came from Justinian himself. The compilers of the code were able to draw on earlier works such as the official Codex Theodosianus and private collections like the Codex Gregorianus and the Codex Hermogenianus. Due to legal reforms by Justinian himself, this work later needed to be updated, so a second edition of the Codex (the so-called "Codex repetitae praelectionis") was issued in 534, after the Digest.

The Code reflects the social order of the later Empire. The position of the emperor as an absolute monarch with unlimited legislative, executive and judicial power is implicit throughout.

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[Thorn]

Unlike the last pick, Joe Louis is an excellent choice. Not only did he enjoy worldwide recognition, he was actually representative of the idealism of the United States, especially in his battles against Max Schmeling. It is true that, during Louis' lifetime, boxing was a sport dominated by American athletes, but one that was still followed avidly all over the globe. Great, great pick.

The name Joe Louis might have been a name 30 years ago, but now ask someone to anme a boxer anda) It will depend what country they are from

and b it is almost certainly likely to be Ali or Tyson.

A boxing fan knows who Joe Louis is, the man in the street not so much.

You have to look at what their world reknown was in their time.Some 25-30 year old came in here last week (I forget who it was) and made the preposterous argument with Doug B that Jackie O wasn't a big celebrity.

There was no more famous 'reluctant celebrity' before her, but his contention was someone of a certain age (30 and under or some silly number) wouldn't know her if they saw her picture.

The logic is absurd. It's not about who is recognizable or famous for today only.

That was me. She's a weak celebrity pick anyway you want to measure it. One of the worst value picks of the entire draft. Even if you argue she was super big during her time, there are so many options who are just as big currently and have been over the last 40 years that it greatly diminishes her value. With the proliferation of the internet, I'd argue current celebrities are much bigger during 'their time' than anyone who proceeded them. Also, if that celebrity has so little staying power that 40 years after 'their time' such a small percentage of people born outside 'their time' wouldn't recognize him/her, are they really a celebrity? But then this rules out current celebrities because we have no idea what their staying power will be. This is why I hate this category. No good way to determine what makes a celebrity. Plus, by whatever measure you want to go with, the category is so deep with so little difference between the candidates that it's much like Kicker in fantasy football. Why waste an early pick on it??

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, especially VBD-wise, but you don't think she's recognizable to those born after, say, 1970? 1980? Really?

 

[FUBAR]

17.11 Joseph Smith, religious person

He's famous for pulling a religion out of his ###:

my guy from GAD! Maybe a villain?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Skipped Pick

17.10 Mad Sweeney

17.13 John Maddens Lunchbox - NEXT OTC until 1:37 p.m. EST

17.14 Usual21 - On Deck

17.15 thatguy - In the Hole

17.16 Andy Dufresne

17.17 Herbert The Hippo

17.18 BobbyLayne

17.19 Mister CIA

17.20 Abrantes

18.01 Abrantes

18.02 Mister CIA

18.03 BobbyLayne

18.04 Herbert The Hippo

18.05 Andy Dufresne

18.06 thatguy

18.07 Usual21

18.08 John Maddens Lunchbox

18.09 higgins

18.10 Big Rocks

18.11 Mad Sweeney

18.12 Doug B

18.13 DC Thunder/MisfitBlondes

 

[flysack]

Mad Sweeney Pick - Michael Phelps - Stoner

I'm in class now, so write-up later (with bong pics and bud analysis).

 

[BobbyLayne]

Unlike the last pick, Joe Louis is an excellent choice. Not only did he enjoy worldwide recognition, he was actually representative of the idealism of the United States, especially in his battles against Max Schmeling. It is true that, during Louis' lifetime, boxing was a sport dominated by American athletes, but one that was still followed avidly all over the globe. Great, great pick.

The name Joe Louis might have been a name 30 years ago, but now ask someone to anme a boxer anda) It will depend what country they are from

and b it is almost certainly likely to be Ali or Tyson.

A boxing fan knows who Joe Louis is, the man in the street not so much.

You have to look at what their world reknown was in their time.Some 25-30 year old came in here last week (I forget who it was) and made the preposterous argument with Doug B that Jackie O wasn't a big celebrity.

There was no more famous 'reluctant celebrity' before her, but his contention was someone of a certain age (30 and under or some silly number) wouldn't know her if they saw her picture.

The logic is absurd. It's not about who is recognizable or famous for today only.

That was me. She's a weak celebrity pick anyway you want to measure it. One of the worst value picks of the entire draft. Even if you argue she was super big during her time, there are so many options who are just as big currently and have been over the last 40 years that it greatly diminishes her value. With the proliferation of the internet, I'd argue current celebrities are much bigger during 'their time' than anyone who proceeded them. Also, if that celebrity has so little staying power that 40 years after 'their time' such a small percentage of people born outside 'their time' wouldn't recognize him/her, are they really a celebrity? But then this rules out current celebrities because we have no idea what their staying power will be. This is why I hate this category. No good way to determine what makes a celebrity. Plus, by whatever measure you want to go with, the category is so deep with so little difference between the candidates that it's much like Kicker in fantasy football. Why waste an early pick on it??

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, especially VBD-wise, but you don't think she's recognizable to those born after, say, 1970? 1980? Really?

I have some pretty strong empirical evidence to present after the draft is over for why Jackie O should be #1, but I can't get into it without spotlighting.Regarding VBD - true to some extent, but unlike FF, the #1 Celeb or Muscian gets the same number of points (100) as the #1 Leader or Military. The kicker analogy doesn't translate for purposes of this draft.

Anyway, will revisit after the 440th pick.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

Mad Sweeney Pick - Michael Phelps - Stoner

I'm in class now, so write-up later (with bong pics and bud analysis).

Pot Head would have been a great category . . .

 

[BobbyLayne]

Skipped Pick

17.13 John Maddens Lunchbox - time out

17.14 Usual21 - NEXT OTC until 2:37 p.m. EST

17.15 thatguy - On Deck

17.16 Andy Dufresne - In the Hole

17.17 Herbert The Hippo

17.18 BobbyLayne

17.19 Mister CIA

17.20 Abrantes

18.01 Abrantes

18.02 Mister CIA

18.03 BobbyLayne

18.04 Herbert The Hippo

18.05 Andy Dufresne

18.06 thatguy

18.07 Usual21

18.08 John Maddens Lunchbox

18.09 higgins

18.10 Big Rocks

18.11 Mad Sweeney

18.12 Doug B

18.13 DC Thunder/MisfitBlondes

 

[rodg12]

Unlike the last pick, Joe Louis is an excellent choice. Not only did he enjoy worldwide recognition, he was actually representative of the idealism of the United States, especially in his battles against Max Schmeling. It is true that, during Louis' lifetime, boxing was a sport dominated by American athletes, but one that was still followed avidly all over the globe. Great, great pick.

The name Joe Louis might have been a name 30 years ago, but now ask someone to anme a boxer anda) It will depend what country they are from

and b it is almost certainly likely to be Ali or Tyson.

A boxing fan knows who Joe Louis is, the man in the street not so much.

You have to look at what their world reknown was in their time.Some 25-30 year old came in here last week (I forget who it was) and made the preposterous argument with Doug B that Jackie O wasn't a big celebrity.

There was no more famous 'reluctant celebrity' before her, but his contention was someone of a certain age (30 and under or some silly number) wouldn't know her if they saw her picture.

The logic is absurd. It's not about who is recognizable or famous for today only.

That was me. She's a weak celebrity pick anyway you want to measure it. One of the worst value picks of the entire draft. Even if you argue she was super big during her time, there are so many options who are just as big currently and have been over the last 40 years that it greatly diminishes her value. With the proliferation of the internet, I'd argue current celebrities are much bigger during 'their time' than anyone who proceeded them. Also, if that celebrity has so little staying power that 40 years after 'their time' such a small percentage of people born outside 'their time' wouldn't recognize him/her, are they really a celebrity? But then this rules out current celebrities because we have no idea what their staying power will be. This is why I hate this category. No good way to determine what makes a celebrity. Plus, by whatever measure you want to go with, the category is so deep with so little difference between the candidates that it's much like Kicker in fantasy football. Why waste an early pick on it??

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, especially VBD-wise, but you don't think she's recognizable to those born after, say, 1970? 1980? Really?

I really don't. I don't think even 10% of the people my age (25) or younger would be able to look at that picture and tell you who that was. Would they recognize the name? Yeah, probably. If she was in a picture with JFK, they'd figure out who it was. But a picture of her by herself? No way. I did an informal poll of people my age at my office, only 1 of the 10 knew who she was. And these were all well-educated college graduates. If only 1 out of the 10 of us could recognize her, no chance a higher percentage than that of the less educated would.

 

[Mister CIA]

Mad Sweeney Pick - Michael Phelps - Stoner

I'm in class now, so write-up later (with bong pics and bud analysis).

Pot Head would have been a great category . . .

Tommy Chong a first rounder?