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mad sweeney
Footballguy
Can someone take a pM? Off to do a commercial and may not have time to peek in and pick.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Pretty sure both of these guys will get skipped before me.I may as well not show up for 2 hours.
flysack
Footballguy
Well spoken.
flysack
Footballguy
Speaking of categories and drafts, can we have an All Eclectic Draft next?Categories could include -- Most Eclectic World Record Holder - Greatest Fanatic- Craziest Conspiracy Theory- Best Porn Star(ok, it's a rotten idea. I just wanted to make a draft where "Best Porn Star" would be a serious category)
timschochet
Footballguy
I'm disappointed that more people haven't commented about Larry's selection of King Solomon as a philosopher. To me, this is the one of the most interesting draft picks made in a while, because it discusses the importance of the Bible aside from the issues of diviinity. What is the social importance of Proverbs, Song of Songs, and Ecclisiastes? How influential are these three tomes on people's way of living?
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I don't want to turn this into a religious thread, but I'm ok with Solomon beign drafted. The problem I would have answering is that the bible is an important part of my life so it's hard to separate that from how I few those works in my life. Although, I'm guessing that most people know a proverb or two whether they actually know it is from proverbs, and probably very few know something of Socrates.
And by the same token, most people, even athiests or agnostics, know the parables of Jesus, such as the Prodigal Son or the Good Samaritan. They may not understand or agree with or believe in the underlying message, but they know the story and the point Jesus was trying to make.I don't want to turn this into a religious thread, but I'm ok with Solomon beign drafted. The problem I would have answering is that the bible is an important part of my life so it's hard to separate that from how I few those works in my life. Although, I'm guessing that most people know a proverb or two whether they actually know it is from proverbs, and probably very few know something of Socrates.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Do I have to wait another 45 minutes for Usual21 to time out?
dparker713
Footballguy
He's hugely popular in Japan to this day, and he had plenty of success in Europe, infact the remix of Little Less Conversation wasn't an American creation. He's certainly an international celebrity.
dparker713
Footballguy
You may not like the question, but its valid. You always emphasize any wrong done to Jews by a particular person, and the tone is rather strenuous. Though I wouldnt say it implies racism, as you seem somewhat fixated on Jewish sufferring, but you're not suggesting Jews are superior or displaying prejudice towards other races.
timschochet
Footballguy
What incredible bs. I advise you to go back through the Great American Draft. I criticized Andrew Jackson for his treatment of Native Americans. I criticized another President for his treatment of African Americans. And I criticized a third president for his internment of Japanese Americans. I have a big thing with injustice. If you think I am focusing on Jews in particular, then all I can say is this is something YOU are looking for.
Usual21
Footballguy
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
I was struggling with this pick until a light bulb went off in my head.
Who had the paparazzi hounding her for years?
Who could sell magazines, books and assorted crap to women?
Who died a tragic young death?
The perfect Celebrity
She didn't have a talent like Elvis or MJ
She didn't look as hot as Marilyn Monroe
What she was however was the most famous woman in the world
For heavens sake, that abomination of a tribute by XXXXX XXXX was No.1 for about 6 years and is officially the biggest selling song of all time.
How many did it well when it was about Marilyn?
Britain (Yes the whole of Britain went into a state of shock)
I was in Australia at the time and it was similar.
When the news was broadcast I heard 4 women in the block of flats I was living at scream and burst into tears and commiserate with each other in the hallway.
Who had the paparazzi hounding her for years?
Who could sell magazines, books and assorted crap to women?
Who died a tragic young death?
The perfect Celebrity
She didn't have a talent like Elvis or MJ
She didn't look as hot as Marilyn Monroe
What she was however was the most famous woman in the world
For heavens sake, that abomination of a tribute by XXXXX XXXX was No.1 for about 6 years and is officially the biggest selling song of all time.
How many did it well when it was about Marilyn?
Britain (Yes the whole of Britain went into a state of shock)
I was in Australia at the time and it was similar.
When the news was broadcast I heard 4 women in the block of flats I was living at scream and burst into tears and commiserate with each other in the hallway.
8:08 - Diana, Princess of Wales - Celebrity
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dparker713
Footballguy
Didn't say you ignore other groups, I said you emphasize Jews. We all have our preconceptions. No one is unbiased. Im sure my biases come into play in this, yet you claim yours dont?
higgins
Footballguy
The first wildcard...
8.09 -- Winston Churchill, wildcard.
Perfect wildcard pick because he excels at so many things:
Leader,
Military,
Explorer during the twilight of England's colonial days,
Accomplished writer having received the Nobel Prize in Literature,
Artist,
Intellectual,
World celebrity.Churchill
8.09 -- Winston Churchill, wildcard.
Perfect wildcard pick because he excels at so many things:
Leader,
Military,
Explorer during the twilight of England's colonial days,
Accomplished writer having received the Nobel Prize in Literature,
Artist,
Intellectual,
World celebrity.Churchill
Bonus pic
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John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Just realised I spotlighted.
Have tidied up.
Have tidied up.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Had not thought of her, but probably a strong contender for #1. Makes the person I was considering look like a weak pick.
krista4
Footballguy
This is the person I referred to way back at the beginning of the draft as a woman I thought Larry might select. To me, there is no question she is the #1 celebrity. Really surprised she wasn't chosen previously--this is an excellent pick.
krista4
Footballguy
Huh?
timschochet
Footballguy
I emphasize a lot of things. Mistreatment of Jews is something I know a lot about, as I wrote. Of course everyone has biases. But let's look at the question again:Do you consider all people who were racist the same way or is hating Jews worse than hating other ethnicities/cultures/religions?This question is asking me not about biases; it's asking me if I am racist. You think it's a valid question, and you write that I am "fixated" on Jewish suffering. Why shouldn't I find these remarks offensive?Martin Luther deserves to be castigated for his treatment of Jews. It was a terrible thing that he did, and it makes him a terrible man. This is fact, not a question of fixation. Luther is also an extremely important man, perhaps the most important man of the last 1,000 years, and I am glad that he lived, because if he didn't, I think we might very well all be much worse off. But that doesn't change the fact that he is scum.
Thorn
Footballguy
There is no "literary" category. There's novel/short story and poet/playwright.
krista4
Footballguy
And he hardly qualifies in either. I guess he wrote a novel but the vast majority of his writings were memoirs and other non-fiction.
timschochet
Footballguy
There is no "literary" category.There is a novelist/short story category, and a playwright/poetry category. Churchill is eligible for the former, as he wrote one novel during his lifetime: Savrola written when he was 22. It was not considered a success. Churchill won the Nobel Prize for his Memoirs of The Second World War, NOT fiction. (Though some critics might think so.)
I strongly advise you to reconsider your category here.
And Churchill's two greatest works were "History of the English Speaking People" and "The Second World War" No fiction. All history. And certainly not short.He's a great pick, but not for the category you have him in.
Fennis
Footballguy
MisfitBlondes said:Princess Di is a clear #1 celebrity to me. She is who I immediately thought of when I saw the category and I don't think Marylin Monroe comes anywhere near her in worldwide celebrity status.Awesome pick.
timschochet
Footballguy
Since there is no literary category, I will stick Churchill in WC until otherwise instructed.
timschochet
Footballguy
Winston Churchill, no matter what the category, is my favorite person in history. Here are some of his best quotations:
We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give.
There is no such thing as a good tax.
Some see private enterprise as a predatory target to be shot, others as a cow to be milked, but few are those who see it as a sturdy horse pulling the wagon.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last.
The problems of victory are more agreeable than the problems of defeat, but they are no less difficult.
From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I shall not put.
A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”
Nancy Astor: “Sir, if you were my husband, I would give you poison.”
Churchill: “If I were your husband I would take it.”
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
Once in a while you will stumble upon the truth but most of us manage to pick ourselves up and hurry along as if nothing had happened.
If you are going to go through hell, keep going.
It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations.
You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.
If you have ten thousand regulations, you destroy all respect for the law.
You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else.
History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.
Writing a book is an adventure. To begin with, it is a toy and an amusement; then it becomes a mistress, and then it becomes a master, and then a tyrant. The last phase is that just as you are about to be reconciled to your servitude, you kill the monster, and fling him out to the public.
The farther backward you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.
A sheep in sheep’s clothing. (On Clement Atlee)
A modest man, who has much to be modest about. (On Clement Atlee)
I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the ordeal of meeting me is another matter.
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often.
Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn’t happen.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.
Solitary trees, if they grow at all, grow strong.
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
Everyone has his day and some days last longer than others.
The whole history of the world is summed up in the fact that, when nations are strong, they are not always just, and when they wish to be just, they are no longer strong.
From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the Continent.
-“The Sinews of Peace” speech, Westminster College, Fulton, Missouri, March 5, 1945
If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.
Those who can win a war well can rarely make a good peace and those who could make a good peace would never have won the war.
Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality that guarantees all the others.
The problems of victory are more agreeable than those of defeat, but they are no less difficult.
And of course the ultimate classics:
If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
You ask, What is our policy? I will say; “It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us: to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy.” You ask, What is our aim? I can answer with one word: Victory—victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival.
We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and the oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fall, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth lasts for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour!”
We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give.
There is no such thing as a good tax.
Some see private enterprise as a predatory target to be shot, others as a cow to be milked, but few are those who see it as a sturdy horse pulling the wagon.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile—hoping it will eat him last.
The problems of victory are more agreeable than the problems of defeat, but they are no less difficult.
From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I shall not put.
A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”
Nancy Astor: “Sir, if you were my husband, I would give you poison.”
Churchill: “If I were your husband I would take it.”
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
Once in a while you will stumble upon the truth but most of us manage to pick ourselves up and hurry along as if nothing had happened.
If you are going to go through hell, keep going.
It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations.
You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.
If you have ten thousand regulations, you destroy all respect for the law.
You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else.
History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.
Writing a book is an adventure. To begin with, it is a toy and an amusement; then it becomes a mistress, and then it becomes a master, and then a tyrant. The last phase is that just as you are about to be reconciled to your servitude, you kill the monster, and fling him out to the public.
The farther backward you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.
A sheep in sheep’s clothing. (On Clement Atlee)
A modest man, who has much to be modest about. (On Clement Atlee)
I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the ordeal of meeting me is another matter.
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often.
Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn’t happen.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.
Solitary trees, if they grow at all, grow strong.
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
Everyone has his day and some days last longer than others.
The whole history of the world is summed up in the fact that, when nations are strong, they are not always just, and when they wish to be just, they are no longer strong.
From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the Continent.
-“The Sinews of Peace” speech, Westminster College, Fulton, Missouri, March 5, 1945
If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.
Those who can win a war well can rarely make a good peace and those who could make a good peace would never have won the war.
Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality that guarantees all the others.
The problems of victory are more agreeable than those of defeat, but they are no less difficult.
And of course the ultimate classics:
If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
You ask, What is our policy? I will say; “It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us: to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy.” You ask, What is our aim? I can answer with one word: Victory—victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival.
We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and the oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fall, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth lasts for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour!”
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
My #1 celebrity. Great pick.
higgins
Footballguy
Wildcard works for the time being then...
dparker713
Footballguy
First off, racism is a subset of bias, so even if he's accusing you of racism, he is asking about bias. Second, he is actually asking you about a bias regarding specific racists. And its the bolded sentence and others like it that make this a valid question. You suppose that this particular aspect of Luther overrides everything else about the man and defines him.I emphasize a lot of things. Mistreatment of Jews is something I know a lot about, as I wrote. Of course everyone has biases. But let's look at the question againo you consider all people who were racist the same way or is hating Jews worse than hating other ethnicities/cultures/religions?
This question is asking me not about biases; it's asking me if I am racist. You think it's a valid question, and you write that I am "fixated" on Jewish suffering. Why shouldn't I find these remarks offensive?
Martin Luther deserves to be castigated for his treatment of Jews. It was a terrible thing that he did, and it makes him a terrible man. This is fact, not a question of fixation. Luther is also an extremely important man, perhaps the most important man of the last 1,000 years, and I am glad that he lived, because if he didn't, I think we might very well all be much worse off. But that doesn't change the fact that he is scum.
timschochet
Footballguy
Did you even bother to read the next line I wrote?First off, racism is a subset of bias, so even if he's accusing you of racism, he is asking about bias. Second, he is actually asking you about a bias regarding specific racists. And its the bolded sentence and others like it that make this a valid question. You suppose that this particular aspect of Luther overrides everything else about the man and defines him.I emphasize a lot of things. Mistreatment of Jews is something I know a lot about, as I wrote. Of course everyone has biases. But let's look at the question again
This question is asking me not about biases; it's asking me if I am racist. You think it's a valid question, and you write that I am "fixated" on Jewish suffering. Why shouldn't I find these remarks offensive?
Martin Luther deserves to be castigated for his treatment of Jews. It was a terrible thing that he did, and it makes him a terrible man. This is fact, not a question of fixation. Luther is also an extremely important man, perhaps the most important man of the last 1,000 years, and I am glad that he lived, because if he didn't, I think we might very well all be much worse off. But that doesn't change the fact that he is scum.
FUBAR
Footballguy
I hate you.
timschochet
Footballguy
Gotta go, can't wait around for another response by DParker. If people around here somehow think I am a racist or "biased" for condemning Martin Luther, then I can't offer any better response than I already have.
I'll be back to update later today.
I'll be back to update later today.
timschochet
Footballguy
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I can't possibly express how much I loathe you with every fiber of my being JML. I've working a write up for her since the day I joined this draft. And i have proof She was to be my coup de gras. DAMMIT!
Nice pick but DAMMIT!
Nice pick but DAMMIT!
dparker713
Footballguy
Yes, I did. I never claimed your bias reached the level of blinders.timschochet said:
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
This pick didn't get the credit it deserves.Louis Armstong is arguably the most important musical figure of the 20th century.
He rewrote all the rules and basically set the groundwork for ALL popular music that followed.
I know that Tim's intent for dividing composer and musician was to be able to rate pop
figures (e.g. Elvis), separately from classical ones (e.g. Ludwig van), but I'm still taking the stance that
the key difference in the 2 categories is what is implied in the category titles: Composing/Writing vs. Performing/Instrument Mastery.
Here's how Louis stacks up based on the previously listed criteria:
1) Artistic expertice - the ability to emote with an instrument.
Hard to find anyone greater the Satchmo. He could express emotions through his playing as well as anyone.
2) Technical mastery of one's instrument.
Also a master here and acknowledged virtuoso.
3) Innovativeness/importance in musical history
Hard to find anyone greater here.
4) Popularity.
While he didn't gain the popularity of later pop and rock groups (whose fame and popularity, in part at least,
were a result of the advances in various mediums - recorded music, radio, TV, etc.), he was hugely popular
worldwide, performing and touring in Europe, Asia and Africa, earning him the moniker - "The Ambassador of Jazz".
This is a great pick and definitely near the top of the category.
The biggest factor playing against him was that his personality and star-quality ultimately ended-up overshadowing his musical ability,
and most of the general public think of him as a singer/entertainer, rather than the instrumental virtuoso and innovator that he was.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
The light goes on . . .thatguy said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It's a very good pick, and I might be inclined to agree that when she lived, she was probably a bigger celebrity than even Elvis. But in terms of lasting celebrity, she's a distant 2nd to The King.Nailed it.Truly a worldwide celebrity.John Maddens Lunchbox said:
I wasn't sure there was one who wouldn't also rank very highly in some other category. She indeed would rank nowhere near any top list for anything other than celebrity.
Great pick
Big Rocks
Footballguy
Had several people to choose from, but this one looks like a good one in the playwright category. Hopefully it'll gain a top 10 place by the judge.....
8.10 Aeschylus, playwright
--Ancient Greek playwright who is believed to be the father of tragedy in plays
--Wrote an estimated 70 plays but only 7 of them survived
--The Persians, Seven against Thebes, The Suppliants, the trilogy known as The Oresteia, consisting of the three tragedies Agamemnon, The Libation Bearers and The Eumenides, and Prometheus Bound
--Fought with the Greek army in battles against the Persian army
Bio:
8.10 Aeschylus, playwright
--Ancient Greek playwright who is believed to be the father of tragedy in plays
--Wrote an estimated 70 plays but only 7 of them survived
--The Persians, Seven against Thebes, The Suppliants, the trilogy known as The Oresteia, consisting of the three tragedies Agamemnon, The Libation Bearers and The Eumenides, and Prometheus Bound
--Fought with the Greek army in battles against the Persian army
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