World's Greatest Draft (2 Viewers)

[thatguy]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

Stop trying to make my head hurt.

Stop provoking me.

 

[GTBilly]

Holy snikies batman this is a horrid thread to read if you work away from a computer, catching up blows. Is there anyone else out there reading this thread thinking to themselves "WOW" over some picks and those picks that you didn't think of. I don't think about the draft as I am not a drafter so I am looking for the draftee's to almost constantly bring up people that didn't just jump off the top of my head.

Comments:

Alex the Great and Ghengis Khan two nice picks and I do love the first pick of the draft just not as the first pick but he is very solid.

Tesla was a steal IMHO in the category.

Gutenberg and Bonaparte not my favorite picks in the first round.

Sitting here with popcorn is fun but not being able to talk about VILLAIN's BLOWS.

 

[flysack]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

Would it be spotlighting to reveal one of them as L. Ron Hubbard?(bonus: you can use him for Religion)

 

[Doug B]

We're at the point where we're pretty much out of "sure" #1s. Taking "sure" top-5s works fine.

 

[flysack]

Holy snikies batman this is a horrid thread to read if you work away from a computer, catching up blows. Is there anyone else out there reading this thread thinking to themselves "WOW" over some picks and those picks that you didn't think of. I don't think about the draft as I am not a drafter so I am looking for the draftee's to almost constantly bring up people that didn't just jump off the top of my head.

The only pick that surprised me (in a good way) was Gutenberg. I don't know why I didn't think of it, but when he was picked, it was totally right.The learning-fun part is going to come in the later rounds.

 

[timschochet]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

Would it be spotlighting to reveal one of them as L. Ron Hubbard?(bonus: you can use him for Religion)

You needn't worry about spotlighting L. Ron, because if someone selects him I will shut this draft down.

 

[krista4]

Sitting here with popcorn is fun but not being able to talk about VILLAIN's BLOWS.

I am DYING to jump into the author discussion. All I can say is that for me there is a clear top three, in any order. I can see arguments for others, but I didn't seriously consider any outside of these three for the top.

 

[larry_boy_44]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

Would it be spotlighting to reveal one of them as L. Ron Hubbard?(bonus: you can use him for Religion)

You needn't worry about spotlighting L. Ron, because if someone selects him I will shut this draft down.

well, yeah, Tom Cruise is the real important person in Scientology... DUH!

 

[mad sweeney]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

Would it be spotlighting to reveal one of them as L. Ron Hubbard?(bonus: you can use him for Religion)

You needn't worry about spotlighting L. Ron, because if someone selects him I will shut this draft down.

I'll keep that in mind if I start falling way behind...

 

[thatguy]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

I was thinking Tolstoy is third at worst.

In my earlier statement of 1st or 6th I was thinking more of painters.

I think your safe with the strategy you thought out, we'll see how it plays out.

Thank you. Someone else agrees with me, and a man whom I know to be very wise. I think rather than strictly try to win this thing, I'm going to try to pick a cohesive team of figures whose works or achievements I admire and respect.

In the American draft I let my competitive spirit get the best of me, and while I do like my team, some of my picks were based more on pleasing the judges than anything else (well, really the only such pick was Duchamp, but it was a controversial one).

 

[flysack]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

Stop trying to make my head hurt.

Stop provoking me.

Tolstoy isn't even the best Russian novelist.

 

[thatguy]

Sitting here with popcorn is fun but not being able to talk about VILLAIN's BLOWS.

I am DYING to jump into the author discussion. All I can say is that for me there is a clear top three, in any order. I can see arguments for others, but I didn't seriously consider any outside of these three for the top.

If my guy is not in it, I'm removing you from my friend's list. And I'm writing mean things on your profile wall thing.

 

[timschochet]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

Stop trying to make my head hurt.

Stop provoking me.

Tolstoy isn't even the best Russian novelist.

the prototypical Russian novel:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSzLZbXBMsg

 

[flysack]

Sitting here with popcorn is fun but not being able to talk about VILLAIN's BLOWS.

I am DYING to jump into the author discussion. All I can say is that for me there is a clear top three, in any order. I can see arguments for others, but I didn't seriously consider any outside of these three for the top.

If my guy is not in it, I'm removing you from my friend's list. And I'm writing mean things on your profile wall thing.

NOT EVEN THE BEST RUSSIAN NOVELIST. (I'm just messing with you. The only thing I've been serious about is that he's third at best in the category)

 

[thatguy]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

Stop trying to make my head hurt.

Stop provoking me.

Tolstoy isn't even the best Russian novelist.

Oh no you di'nt.In seriousness, I love the other one about as much as I love Tolstoy. He, like Tolstoy, has two absolute masterpieces. His most famous work isn't even his most important work, IMO.

But for me Tolstoy still has the advantage.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sitting here with popcorn is fun but not being able to talk about VILLAIN's BLOWS.

Well you can talk about Genghis in terms of villainy. He was not a nice man. Definitely one not to invite to your garden party.

 

[flysack]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

Stop trying to make my head hurt.

Stop provoking me.

Tolstoy isn't even the best Russian novelist.

the prototypical Russian novel:[link removed]

Um, I'm not a player or a judge, but this very close to spotlighting.

 

[timschochet]

More great Russian literature:

Misha the dog lies dead in the bog.

The children cry over the carcass.

The mist chokes my heart and covers the mourners.

At least this year we eat.

 

[thatguy]

Sitting here with popcorn is fun but not being able to talk about VILLAIN's BLOWS.

I am DYING to jump into the author discussion. All I can say is that for me there is a clear top three, in any order. I can see arguments for others, but I didn't seriously consider any outside of these three for the top.

If my guy is not in it, I'm removing you from my friend's list. And I'm writing mean things on your profile wall thing.

NOT EVEN THE BEST RUSSIAN NOVELIST. (I'm just messing with you. The only thing I've been serious about is that he's third at best in the category)

It's all good. I'm always down for a good old fashioned throwdown.

 

[BobbyLayne]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

I was thinking Tolstoy is third at worst.

In my earlier statement of 1st or 6th I was thinking more of painters.

I think your safe with the strategy you thought out, we'll see how it plays out.

Thank you. Someone else agrees with me, and a man whom I know to be very wise. I think rather than strictly try to win this thing, I'm going to try to pick a cohesive team of figures whose works or achievements I admire and respect.

In the American draft I let my competitive spirit get the best of me, and while I do like my team, some of my picks were based more on pleasing the judges than anything else (well, really the only such pick was Duchamp, but it was a controversial one).

My strategy in the G.A.D. was to pick a team of folks who influenced me the most, reflect my own personal values, and personal favorites.

After finishing tenth, I'm saying eff that, I want to friggin' win.



Good to know you're maturing beyond your years, while I'm regressing to 5th grade schoolyard mentality.

 

[krista4]

Sitting here with popcorn is fun but not being able to talk about VILLAIN's BLOWS.

I am DYING to jump into the author discussion. All I can say is that for me there is a clear top three, in any order. I can see arguments for others, but I didn't seriously consider any outside of these three for the top.

If my guy is not in it, I'm removing you from my friend's list. And I'm writing mean things on your profile wall thing.

 

[flysack]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

Stop trying to make my head hurt.

Stop provoking me.

Tolstoy isn't even the best Russian novelist.

Oh no you di'nt.In seriousness, I love the other one about as much as I love Tolstoy. He, like Tolstoy, has two absolute masterpieces. His most famous work isn't even his most important work, IMO.

But for me Tolstoy still has the advantage.

I know, it's a personal thing. My heart has always run to revolutionaries before entitled pacifists. Call it a weakness, call it a strength, it's who I am.

 

[thatguy]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

I was thinking Tolstoy is third at worst.

In my earlier statement of 1st or 6th I was thinking more of painters.

I think your safe with the strategy you thought out, we'll see how it plays out.

Thank you. Someone else agrees with me, and a man whom I know to be very wise. I think rather than strictly try to win this thing, I'm going to try to pick a cohesive team of figures whose works or achievements I admire and respect.

In the American draft I let my competitive spirit get the best of me, and while I do like my team, some of my picks were based more on pleasing the judges than anything else (well, really the only such pick was Duchamp, but it was a controversial one).

My strategy in the G.A.D. was to pick a team of folks who influenced me the most, reflect my own personal values, and personal favorites.

After finishing tenth, I'm saying eff that, I want to friggin' win.



Good to know you're maturing beyond your years, while I'm regressing to 5th grade schoolyard mentality.

Go for the gold, BL. You deserve it

ETA: I should have said: Stay Golden, BobbyLayne. That's what I meant to say.

 

[thatguy]

Sitting here with popcorn is fun but not being able to talk about VILLAIN's BLOWS.

I am DYING to jump into the author discussion. All I can say is that for me there is a clear top three, in any order. I can see arguments for others, but I didn't seriously consider any outside of these three for the top.

If my guy is not in it, I'm removing you from my friend's list. And I'm writing mean things on your profile wall thing.

Oh, no, we won't go there. I would never hit a woman. But we will go here:

 

[GTBilly]

Sitting here with popcorn is fun but not being able to talk about VILLAIN's BLOWS.

Well you can talk about Genghis in terms of villainy. He was not a nice man. Definitely one not to invite to your garden party.

I will discuss nothing villainous here. The leaders debate is shaping up quite nicely.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Sitting here with popcorn is fun but not being able to talk about VILLAIN's BLOWS.

Well you can talk about Genghis in terms of villainy. He was not a nice man. Definitely one not to invite to your garden party.

Yeah, you could probably make a case for him in that category too... that actually reminds me of one of my favorite quotes, which is attributed to Genghis:“I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.”

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

I was thinking Tolstoy is third at worst.

In my earlier statement of 1st or 6th I was thinking more of painters.

I think your safe with the strategy you thought out, we'll see how it plays out.

Thank you. Someone else agrees with me, and a man whom I know to be very wise. I think rather than strictly try to win this thing, I'm going to try to pick a cohesive team of figures whose works or achievements I admire and respect.

In the American draft I let my competitive spirit get the best of me, and while I do like my team, some of my picks were based more on pleasing the judges than anything else (well, really the only such pick was Duchamp, but it was a controversial one).

My strategy in the G.A.D. was to pick a team of folks who influenced me the most, reflect my own personal values, and personal favorites.

After finishing tenth, I'm saying eff that, I want to friggin' win.



Good to know you're maturing beyond your years, while I'm regressing to 5th grade schoolyard mentality.

I did the same thing, and this time the gloves are coming off!

 

[krista4]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

I was thinking Tolstoy is third at worst.

In my earlier statement of 1st or 6th I was thinking more of painters.

I think your safe with the strategy you thought out, we'll see how it plays out.

Thank you. Someone else agrees with me, and a man whom I know to be very wise. I think rather than strictly try to win this thing, I'm going to try to pick a cohesive team of figures whose works or achievements I admire and respect.

In the American draft I let my competitive spirit get the best of me, and while I do like my team, some of my picks were based more on pleasing the judges than anything else (well, really the only such pick was Duchamp, but it was a controversial one).

My strategy in the G.A.D. was to pick a team of folks who influenced me the most, reflect my own personal values, and personal favorites.

After finishing tenth, I'm saying eff that, I want to friggin' win.



Good to know you're maturing beyond your years, while I'm regressing to 5th grade schoolyard mentality.

I did the same thing, and this time the gloves are coming off!

Both of you had top lists (along with thatguy) in the American draft, IMO. Shows what I know.

 

[thatguy]

I was thinking Tolstoy is third at worst.

In my earlier statement of 1st or 6th I was thinking more of painters.

I think your safe with the strategy you thought out, we'll see how it plays out.

Thank you. Someone else agrees with me, and a man whom I know to be very wise. I think rather than strictly try to win this thing, I'm going to try to pick a cohesive team of figures whose works or achievements I admire and respect.

In the American draft I let my competitive spirit get the best of me, and while I do like my team, some of my picks were based more on pleasing the judges than anything else (well, really the only such pick was Duchamp, but it was a controversial one).

My strategy in the G.A.D. was to pick a team of folks who influenced me the most, reflect my own personal values, and personal favorites.

After finishing tenth, I'm saying eff that, I want to friggin' win.



Good to know you're maturing beyond your years, while I'm regressing to 5th grade schoolyard mentality.

I did the same thing, and this time the gloves are coming off!

Both of you had top lists (along with thatguy) in the American draft, IMO. Shows what I know.

Sweet guys. Did you hear that? We win.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Both of you had top lists (along with thatguy) in the American draft, IMO. Shows what I know.

Well, I finished #5 in the judging, but certain picks I knew weren't going to be valued where I had them. I can't get into them here without spotlighting, but even in round one I passed up what I thought would be better "value" picks for people who I just preferred.I love that team though.ETA: thatguy... you should probably back off the spotlighting in the post up above. One of those (at least) will probably be drafted here.

 

[thatguy]

Both of you had top lists (along with thatguy) in the American draft, IMO. Shows what I know.

Well, I finished #5 in the judging, but certain picks I knew weren't going to be valued where I had them. I can't get into them here without spotlighting, but even in round one I passed up what I thought would be better "value" picks for people who I just preferred.I love that team though.ETA: thatguy... you should probably back off the spotlighting in the post up above. One of those (at least) will probably be drafted here.

Good point.

 

[GTBilly]

Both of you had top lists (along with thatguy) in the American draft, IMO. Shows what I know.

Well, I finished #5 in the judging, but certain picks I knew weren't going to be valued where I had them. I can't get into them here without spotlighting, but even in round one I passed up what I thought would be better "value" picks for people who I just preferred.I love that team though.ETA: thatguy... you should probably back off the spotlighting in the post up above. One of those (at least) will probably be drafted here.

That is the beauty or problem of a draft like this. It is entirely possible for one person to think a pick is #1 and for the judge to deem it not worthy of top 20. This draft already shows this Sun Tzu went first and some don't have him first round. (I love Sun Tzu his theories are the basis for most warfare in any situation)

 

[Fennis]

Does anyone who participated in the GAD, have their values change in this draft? For example if you ranked a certain author #1 in GAD, could a lower draft pick now be the new number 1 here?

 

[thatguy]

Does anyone who participated in the GAD, have their values change in this draft? For example if you ranked a certain author #1 in GAD, could a lower draft pick now be the new number 1 here?

I tend to think our number one and number two authors would likely be switched in this draft.In fact our number one author may not even be worthy of this draft, whereas our number two very likely is.

 

[thatguy]

Because "quintessentially American" means absolutely nothing in this draft. It meant a lot in the other draft.

 

[flysack]

Does anyone who participated in the GAD, have their values change in this draft? For example if you ranked a certain author #1 in GAD, could a lower draft pick now be the new number 1 here?

I tend to think our number one and number two authors would likely be switched in this draft.In fact our number one author may not even be worthy of this draft, whereas our number two very likely is.

Perhaps. I just looked at that draft. I tend to agree that you all got caught up in a nonsense "quintessentially American" criteria. The best two American authors (IMO) weren't even in the top 6 selected over there.

 

[krista4]

Because "quintessentially American" means absolutely nothing in this draft. It meant a lot in the other draft.

 

[FUBAR]

2.05 - Genghis Khan was the founder, Khan (ruler) and Khagan (emperor) of the Mongol Empire, the largest contiguous empire in history.

He came to power by uniting many of the nomadic tribes of northeast Asia. After founding the Mongol Empire and being proclaimed "Genghis Khan", he started the Mongol invasions and raids of the Kara-Khitan Khanate, Caucasus, Khwarezmid Empire, Western Xia and Jin dynasties. During his life, the Mongol Empire eventually occupied a substantial portion of Central Asia.

Before Genghis Khan died, he assigned {someone else} as his successor and split his empire into khanates among his sons and grandsons. He died in 1227 after defeating the Tanguts. He was buried in an unmarked grave somewhere in Mongolia at a location unknown. His descendants went on to stretch the Mongol Empire across most of Eurasia by conquering and/or creating vassal states out of all of modern-day China, Korea, the Caucasus, Central Asian countries, and substantial portions of modern Eastern Europe and the Middle East.

So in other words, he got involved in a land war in Asia...AND WON. Beat that!!! There were probably some other picks that might be "bigger" but I expect this draft to be Euro/American centric in its selections and I wanted to get one of the top Asian selections in my bag.

And flush goes my dream of stealing the top spot in two categories...

I could be convinced otherwise, but I don't think Genghis is the #1 leader.

 

[FUBAR]

As for the Socratic method - the method itself might be the best way to teach a given subject. It allows the student to see a problem from multiple facets and challenges him to "know" the subject in order to learn the subject.The problem with the method is that most of the talentless hacks that couldn't make it in a courtroom that we call law professors use it as a blanket card to throw some downright stupid stuff into a classroom discussion. And they do it to make themselves look smarter, education on the actual law be damned.

I loved after a discussion in Torts, I approached the professor to answer a question we'd been discussing in class without resolution. Her response "Well, thats the issue, isnt it?" ARRRGGGGGHHHHH. I still want to strangle her to this day.

GB legal theorists. It is one of the things I love and hate about the law, often there isn't a "right" answer. It's also one of the things commanders (my clients) hate.

 

[FUBAR]

It's a little unfair, IMO, to call him third at best. I'd be curious to see who outside of the other two that I think we're both referring to would rival him for a spot in the top three.

I was thinking Tolstoy is third at worst.

In my earlier statement of 1st or 6th I was thinking more of painters.

I think your safe with the strategy you thought out, we'll see how it plays out.

Thank you. Someone else agrees with me, and a man whom I know to be very wise. I think rather than strictly try to win this thing, I'm going to try to pick a cohesive team of figures whose works or achievements I admire and respect.

In the American draft I let my competitive spirit get the best of me, and while I do like my team, some of my picks were based more on pleasing the judges than anything else (well, really the only such pick was Duchamp, but it was a controversial one).

My strategy in the G.A.D. was to pick a team of folks who influenced me the most, reflect my own personal values, and personal favorites.

After finishing tenth, I'm saying eff that, I want to friggin' win.



Good to know you're maturing beyond your years, while I'm regressing to 5th grade schoolyard mentality.

I did the same thing, and this time the gloves are coming off!

I'm still going to just draft people I happen to admire. Screw the rest of you.

 

[Abrantes]

I'm still going to just draft people I happen to admire. Screw the rest of you.

I'm torn between replying with "Well, that's actually a very sensible approach, if you want to enjoy your team" or "Go ahead, throw your picks away (followed by diabolical laughter)!" (Just kidding, buddy.)Haven't made up my mind on the subject, actually.

 

[BobbyLayne]

While thatguy ponders, a few comments:

Mozart was an overrated mediocrity!- Salieri

Kudos to Socrates for making Yankee's life a living Hell. You lawyers deserve it!

And finally, Andy wins this draft already. Why? Because I am not ####### around with Ghenghis Khan. You can if you want. If Andy's team (and I don't really care who else he drafts) comes anywhere near me I am out of here. Quick.

I don't mean this as a knock on the pick, but as someone who was trained as a classical pianist, I have always found Mozart to be overrated crap. Hated learning his music. Hated playing it. It's not that it wasn't good, I just didn't find it capable of moving me the way Beethoven's music did, and has.

My 10 y.o. has been playing Beethoven in recitals for about 4-5 years, Mozart the last few. His teacher gives us the opposite feedback; he's mechanical when playing Ludwig, but more expressive when performing Wolfgang.Of course, if you ask him which he likes better, he gives the standard reply:

"I like Mozart so I can warm up my fingers to play Beethoven"



Never gets old...

 

[Mjolnirs]

I like to think I'm fairly knowledgeable in history, but you people are making my head hurt!

 

[timschochet]

One of my alltime favorite stupid movie quotes is:

Hey! Genghis Khan! Want a twinkie?

 

[larry_boy_44]

I need to watch Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure again...

Socrates, Genghis Khan, Mozart (I think)...

plus its an AWESOME movie...

 

[Abrantes]

One of my alltime favorite stupid movie quotes is:

Hey! Genghis Khan! Want a twinkie?

As you can see, Genghis very much enjoys Twinkies because of the excellent sugar rush.

 

[Usual21]

2.07 - Abraham Lincoln - Leader

Too tired to write, will post more in the morning.

 

[Mario Kart]

Leo Tolstoy - Novelist/Intellectual/Philosopher

* War and Peace (Война и мир [Voyna i mir]; 1865–69)

This is often misquoted. The real title is War, what is it good for?

 

[larry_boy_44]

2.07 - Abraham Lincoln - Leader

Too tired to write, will post more in the morning.

ANOTHER CHARACTER FROM BILL & TED!!!WYLD STYLLYNS!!!

 

[Abrantes]

Leo Tolstoy - Novelist/Intellectual/Philosopher

* War and Peace (Война и мир [Voyna i mir]; 1865–69)

This is often misquoted. The real title is War, what is it good for?