Fennis
Footballguy
So in one sentence, we established that both my English and math skills are subpar.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure he could beat up Ben Franklin. Or anyone else we'll draft (except maybe one or two)
Fennis
Footballguy
I forgot about celebrity. Larry you're on fire in this draft.
Doug B
Footballguy
There was discussion after the Abraham Lincoln pick about what were the first dominoes that fell in the eventual world-wide abolition of slavery.
Well, as important as Abraham Lincoln and the outcome of the American Civil War were, England's William Wiberforce is the one that most prominently toppled the first domino.
Well, as important as Abraham Lincoln and the outcome of the American Civil War were, England's William Wiberforce is the one that most prominently toppled the first domino.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
I am not going to comment on him as a military leader. As a rebel, or as an overall leader, I'd rate him fairly high.
flysack
Footballguy
This pick is worse than Sun Tzu at 1.01.Edit: before reading the writeup, I think he makes a far better Celebrity pick. Not #1 by any manner, but at least it's less of a mistake.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
That's why I like you - very versatile that way.So in one sentence, we established that both my English and math skills are subpar.
This is a versatile pick, higgins can move him to celebrity or WC. I don't think it's a great value this early because he is not a lock for top 5 in any category or a 10 from the WC judge (timschochet), but not a shocker that he was drafter. Just seems a tad early.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
going "there's ten guys I'd rate above him in this category" when there are 15 guys off the board in that category is probably a bad idea...
mad sweeney
Footballguy
We'll see where they get slotted but at 1.01 you should nail the top spot in a category and I don't see how he's going to do that so i have to kindly disagree.That said, it's probably the worst pick since then, only slightly contested by the Gabrini (?) explorer pick and Lincoln.This pick is worse than Sun Tzu at 1.01.
thatguy
Footballguy
No need for inverted hyperbole (I just made that up). Be honest. This is way early.That's why I like you - very versatile that way.So in one sentence, we established that both my English and math skills are subpar.
This is a versatile pick, higgins can move him to celebrity or WC. I don't think it's a great value this early because he is not a lock for top 5 in any category or a 10 from the WC judge (timschochet), but not a shocker that he was drafter. Just seems a tad early.
thatguy
Footballguy
Exactly. And in fact, I hope the judges do continue to, or in some cases begin to, comment because it adds to the discussion.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I'll get back to you on that...
thatguy
Footballguy
He was first on my list. I thought he might make it to me in round 5.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
also, I don't personally have an issue with comments such as:- "the lowest rated person in the category picked so far"- "ranks higher than people ranked ahead of him" (don't say it in a way that specifies how many)or things of that nature...I think the biggest issue with rankings by the judge before the end of the draft involve stating that there are a number of people rated ahead of that person who aren't drafted and saying that you don't feel the person even qualifies for the category you are judging...Exactly. And in fact, I hope the judges do continue to, or in some cases begin to, comment because it adds to the discussion.
timschochet
Footballguy
Clock is off for the night.
Fennis
Footballguy
I was so wrapped up in my Bruce Lee fiasco I didn’t notice Bolivar, who I thought you had slotted as a Leader. The hardest (hopefully) part of judging will be the incredible impact all 20 rebels will have had on the world. Clearly he has to be the number 1 person in all of South America. The man is hero throughout S.A. and led to the independence of multiple countries. As an American, you cannot help but feel a sense of pride having El Libertador being inspired by the American Revolution. Oh and how you cannot like someone who has a entire country named after him.
Great pick, a great rebel.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
It's hard to have this discussion without spotlighting; however, while Constantine obviously didn't found the Holy Roman Empire (coming 600 years after him) the Emperors of that Empire venerated Constantine above all others because it was the organized Church that he left behind that had maintained that knowledge and tradition in the 400 years between the fall of Rome and the beginning of the HRE. Sure you can say that Augustus paved the way for Constantine, but you can just as easily say that Julius Caesar paved the way for Augustus or alternatively that we only know about Augustus because of Constantine.
thatguy
Footballguy
In no particular order, my favorite teams so far:
Larry Boy: Homer, Bach, Jesus - By my count, a #!, #2, and #3 - can't do any better than that through 3 rounds. He'll inevitably screw it up, though, when the fourth Turtle is taken and he drafts Splinter as his artist
Thorn: Columbus, Joyce, Paul - Two likely #1s or #2s and a top 5.
Herbert the Hippo: Archimedes, Tesla, Socrates, Moses All very solid top tier guys.
BobbyLayne: Hannibal, Mozart, Aristotle, Locke - All top 5's, including 2 likely #2s
JML: Alexander the Great, Pasteur, The Beatles, Abraham - A definite #1 and a likely second #1, two other top tier guys
Mad Sweeney: Augustus Ceaser, Newton, Watt, Bolivar - An almost surefire #1, two other likely #1, and another top tier guy
Larry Boy: Homer, Bach, Jesus - By my count, a #!, #2, and #3 - can't do any better than that through 3 rounds. He'll inevitably screw it up, though, when the fourth Turtle is taken and he drafts Splinter as his artist
Thorn: Columbus, Joyce, Paul - Two likely #1s or #2s and a top 5.
Herbert the Hippo: Archimedes, Tesla, Socrates, Moses All very solid top tier guys.
BobbyLayne: Hannibal, Mozart, Aristotle, Locke - All top 5's, including 2 likely #2s
JML: Alexander the Great, Pasteur, The Beatles, Abraham - A definite #1 and a likely second #1, two other top tier guys
Mad Sweeney: Augustus Ceaser, Newton, Watt, Bolivar - An almost surefire #1, two other likely #1, and another top tier guy
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
wait...was Splinter named after an artist?
Is there an artist named Splinter? YOU HAVE TO TELL ME!!!! I NEED TO KNOW!!!
thatguy
Footballguy
Um, yeah, of course he was.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Wow, you are not one for much history. I see the "popular" is better.We'll see where they get slotted but at 1.01 you should nail the top spot in a category and I don't see how he's going to do that so i have to kindly disagree.That said, it's probably the worst pick since then, only slightly contested by the Gabrini (?) explorer pick and Lincoln.This pick is worse than Sun Tzu at 1.01.
higgins
Footballguy
Bruce Lee defense....
linky
I suspect that if he's instructing multiple world karate champions, he's at least as good as they are.
In 2004, UFC president Dana White credited Lee as the "father of mixed martial arts".
Physical feats
Lee's phenomenal fitness meant he was capable of performing many exceptional physical feats.The following list includes some of the physical feats that are documented and supported by reliable sources.
* Lee's striking speed from three feet with his hands down by his side reached five hundredths of a second.[59]
* Lee's combat movements were at times too fast to be captured on film at 24 frames per second, so many scenes were shot in 32frame/s to put Lee in slow motion. Normally martial arts films are sped up.[60][61][62]
* In a speed demonstration, Lee could snatch a dime off a person's open palm before they could close it, and leave a penny behind.[63]
* Lee would hold an elevated v-sit position for 30 minutes or longer.[57]
* Lee could throw grains of rice up into the air and then catch them in mid-flight using chopsticks.[51]
* Lee performed one-hand push-ups using only the thumb and index finger[58][64][51][58]
* Lee performed 50 reps of one-arm chin-ups.[65]
* Lee could break wooden boards 6 inches (15 cm) thick.[66]
* Lee could cause a 300-lb (136 kg) bag to fly towards and thump the ceiling with a side kick.[58]
* Lee performed a side kick while training with James Coburn and broke a 150-lb (68 kg) punching bag[57][67]
* In a move that has been dubbed "Dragon Flag", Lee could perform leg lifts with only his shoulder blades resting on the edge of a bench and suspend his legs and torso perfectly horizontal midair.[68]
I'm not sure why his classification as a world class athlete is even being brought up.
linky
I suspect that if he's instructing multiple world karate champions, he's at least as good as they are.
Human WeaponThe 2007 produced documentary Human Weapon by The History Channel mentioned Lee in episode Nr. 10 (China and Kung Fu). It calls: "...that made Lee arguably the greatest martial artist of his time, or any other". Human Weapon is a very serious documentary about martial arts. In any episode the hosts, Jason Chambers and Bill Duff, travel across the world studying the unique martial arts, or styles of fighting, that have origins in the region, from Karate to Judo, Muay Thai, Krav Maga, MMA, Marine Corps to Pankreas. To consider Lee as "arguably the greatest martial artist of his time, or any other" is a great honour to him because this documentary is very serious and shows many differnet styles.
In 2004, UFC president Dana White credited Lee as the "father of mixed martial arts".
Physical feats
Lee's phenomenal fitness meant he was capable of performing many exceptional physical feats.The following list includes some of the physical feats that are documented and supported by reliable sources.
* Lee's striking speed from three feet with his hands down by his side reached five hundredths of a second.[59]
* Lee's combat movements were at times too fast to be captured on film at 24 frames per second, so many scenes were shot in 32frame/s to put Lee in slow motion. Normally martial arts films are sped up.[60][61][62]
* In a speed demonstration, Lee could snatch a dime off a person's open palm before they could close it, and leave a penny behind.[63]
* Lee would hold an elevated v-sit position for 30 minutes or longer.[57]
* Lee could throw grains of rice up into the air and then catch them in mid-flight using chopsticks.[51]
* Lee performed one-hand push-ups using only the thumb and index finger[58][64][51][58]
* Lee performed 50 reps of one-arm chin-ups.[65]
* Lee could break wooden boards 6 inches (15 cm) thick.[66]
* Lee could cause a 300-lb (136 kg) bag to fly towards and thump the ceiling with a side kick.[58]
* Lee performed a side kick while training with James Coburn and broke a 150-lb (68 kg) punching bag[57][67]
* In a move that has been dubbed "Dragon Flag", Lee could perform leg lifts with only his shoulder blades resting on the edge of a bench and suspend his legs and torso perfectly horizontal midair.[68]
I'm not sure why his classification as a world class athlete is even being brought up.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Sun Tzu @ 1 = SOD!
flysack
Footballguy
I thought that John Locke pick was the best value pick of the draft, until Mad Sweeney snagged Bolivar later in round.
Fennis
Footballguy
Who can't do those?Bruce Lee defense....Physical featsLee's phenomenal fitness meant he was capable of performing many exceptional physical feats.The following list includes some of the physical feats that are documented and supported by reliable sources. * Lee's striking speed from three feet with his hands down by his side reached five hundredths of a second.[59] * Lee's combat movements were at times too fast to be captured on film at 24 frames per second, so many scenes were shot in 32frame/s to put Lee in slow motion. Normally martial arts films are sped up.[60][61][62] * In a speed demonstration, Lee could snatch a dime off a person's open palm before they could close it, and leave a penny behind.[63] * Lee would hold an elevated v-sit position for 30 minutes or longer.[57] * Lee could throw grains of rice up into the air and then catch them in mid-flight using chopsticks.[51] * Lee performed one-hand push-ups using only the thumb and index finger[58][64][51][58] * Lee performed 50 reps of one-arm chin-ups.[65] * Lee could break wooden boards 6 inches (15 cm) thick.[66] * Lee could cause a 300-lb (136 kg) bag to fly towards and thump the ceiling with a side kick.[58] * Lee performed a side kick while training with James Coburn and broke a 150-lb (68 kg) punching bag[57][67] * In a move that has been dubbed "Dragon Flag", Lee could perform leg lifts with only his shoulder blades resting on the edge of a bench and suspend his legs and torso perfectly horizontal midair.[68]I'm not sure why his classification as a world class athlete is even being brought up.
timschochet
Footballguy
Because despite of everything that you brought up, I'm betting that every other person taken in this category will be known primarily for their performance in competition.Bruce Lee defense....I'm not sure why his classification as a world class athlete is even being brought up.
higgins
Footballguy
Fair enough -- if the judge for this category (Misfit Blondes) feels this way, I'll simply repick.Because despite of everything that you brought up, I'm betting that every other person taken in this category will be known primarily for their performance in competition.Bruce Lee defense....I'm not sure why his classification as a world class athlete is even being brought up.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Clock is off - no skips - but if we want to get some picks in tonight:
4.07 Usual21 - skipped
4.13 DC Thunder - Next Selection
4.14 Thorn - On Deck
4.15 Yankee23fan - In the Hole
4.16 Acer FC
4.17 FUBAR
4.18 Arsenal of Doom
4.19 Larry Boy 44
4.20 Mario Kart
4.07 Usual21 - skipped
4.13 DC Thunder - Next Selection
4.14 Thorn - On Deck
4.15 Yankee23fan - In the Hole
4.16 Acer FC
4.17 FUBAR
4.18 Arsenal of Doom
4.19 Larry Boy 44
4.20 Mario Kart
flysack
Footballguy
Um....repick?I think the best thing you can do is switch him to Celebrity and hope for the best.Fair enough -- if the judge for this category (Misfit Blondes) feels this way, I'll simply repick.Because despite of everything that you brought up, I'm betting that every other person taken in this category will be known primarily for their performance in competition.Bruce Lee defense....I'm not sure why his classification as a world class athlete is even being brought up.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
7. Usual21 - pick skipped
8. John Madden's Lunchbox - Abraham
9. higgins - Bruce Lee
10. Big Rocks - Donatello
11. Mad Sweeney - Simon Bolivar
12. Doug B - William Wilberforce
13. DC Thunder - will pick tonight or auto-skip tomorrow
14. Thorn - On Deck
15. Yankee23fan - In the hole
16. Acer FC
17. FUBAR
18. Arsenal of Doom
19. Larry Boy 44
20. Mario Kart - I want to pick tonight
8. John Madden's Lunchbox - Abraham
9. higgins - Bruce Lee
10. Big Rocks - Donatello
11. Mad Sweeney - Simon Bolivar
12. Doug B - William Wilberforce
13. DC Thunder - will pick tonight or auto-skip tomorrow
14. Thorn - On Deck
15. Yankee23fan - In the hole
16. Acer FC
17. FUBAR
18. Arsenal of Doom
19. Larry Boy 44
20. Mario Kart - I want to pick tonight
higgins
Footballguy
After my PM to Misfit Blondes , he said he liked the pick.I don't get the Bruce Lee naysayers -- if there's anybody that doesn't need rings and the proof of competition...it's Bruce #######g Lee.
Um....repick?I think the best thing you can do is switch him to Celebrity and hope for the best.Fair enough -- if the judge for this category (Misfit Blondes) feels this way, I'll simply repick.Because despite of everything that you brought up, I'm betting that every other person taken in this category will be known primarily for their performance in competition.Bruce Lee defense....I'm not sure why his classification as a world class athlete is even being brought up.
4.13--Vladimir Ilyich Lenin-Rebel
Since I have two of the three persons who have major schools of Communist thought named after them, I'll get the third. This should definitely help my Pinko Draft.
Lenin was the ultimate rebel. He took the theory of Marx and made it into the ideology that overthrew the Russian Czarist empire and founded a movement that at one point in time appeared to be prepared to sweep the world. Lenin founded the USSR and defeated the reactionary forces including expeditionary forces from Britian and the US in the early 1920s. He was one of the few Russian leaders who could keep Stalin at bay, and Marxist-Leninist thought was the basis of all Soviet ideology until 1988.
He is still revered as a god in Russia and his Tomb on Red Square that displayes his embalmed body is still a major tourist attraction
Yes, Lenin, rounds out my pinko draft.
Since I have two of the three persons who have major schools of Communist thought named after them, I'll get the third. This should definitely help my Pinko Draft.
Lenin was the ultimate rebel. He took the theory of Marx and made it into the ideology that overthrew the Russian Czarist empire and founded a movement that at one point in time appeared to be prepared to sweep the world. Lenin founded the USSR and defeated the reactionary forces including expeditionary forces from Britian and the US in the early 1920s. He was one of the few Russian leaders who could keep Stalin at bay, and Marxist-Leninist thought was the basis of all Soviet ideology until 1988.
He is still revered as a god in Russia and his Tomb on Red Square that displayes his embalmed body is still a major tourist attraction
Yes, Lenin, rounds out my pinko draft.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Done? I'm just getting warmed up...And Soviet elections routinely had over 99% turnout of the voters and the Communist Party candidate won over 98% of the vote. Now THAT's Democracy!You done yet? Ya gonna get any democracy on that team anytime soon?
FUBAR
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure people won't get to repick unless their pick is actually disqualified. Say someone drafts the 1980 US Olympic Hockey Team, in this draft IMO we'd let them redraft. Lee isn't disqualifiable, but he may not rank high.IMHO, there aren't many better true athletes than Bruce Lee, but if you read the definition of the category:Um....repick?I think the best thing you can do is switch him to Celebrity and hope for the best.Fair enough -- if the judge for this category (Misfit Blondes) feels this way, I'll simply repick.Because despite of everything that you brought up, I'm betting that every other person taken in this category will be known primarily for their performance in competition.Bruce Lee defense....
I'm not sure why his classification as a world class athlete is even being brought up.
Bruce lacks in the better defined part.
Fennis
Footballguy
DC, I know more about Lenin as Chairman and less as a revolutionary. If you can point me towards stuff, I will read up. Or are you saying he was a rebel in being the first chairman in the Soviet Union and implementing what he did. I'm not saying he isn’t a good rebel, I just need more help on this one. Thanks
FUBAR
Footballguy
More like 198% of the live population.Done? I'm just getting warmed up...And Soviet elections routinely had over 99% turnout of the voters and the Communist Party candidate won over 98% of the vote. Now THAT's Democracy!You done yet? Ya gonna get any democracy on that team anytime soon?
flysack
Footballguy
Then keep him at Athlete. I just don't think you should be allowed to repick. You took your guy and attempted to justify the pick. You were criticized. You haven't been the only one. I don't see why repicking should be an option.
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Fennis, I'm saying that he was a revolutionary as far back as 1895 and that he participated and led revolutionary groups from that time forward, culminating with the October Revolution of 1917 which brought the Bolseviks to power and made him First Secretary and Chairman of the Communist Party. All revolutionarys are rebels, almost by defintion, and Lenin was a revolutionary first and an administrator second. Even as party chairman he wanted to export his revolution around the world. He got himself exiled, jailed and persecuted by the Czarist government and the return to Russia in the sealed train via the Finland Station is celebrated in Soviet and other literature.The Wiki article is as good a place to start as any: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin
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flysack
Footballguy
Top 5 Rebel in my book. Say what you will about the country he founded, but he was a pretty successful revolutionary. Even after his country fell, the Russian people still revere him as a hero (unlike Stalin and company).
mad sweeney
Footballguy
This one of the most ludicrous statements you've made so far. You're clearly not taking into account the categories and round taken when you respond to my comment (since you could easily have gotten Gabrini several rounds later). As well as it's a pretty silly argument for you to make against me when the biggest argument you have for Tzu is that he's the most popular today. Attributing my disregard for the placement of these pics (a sentiment btw echoed by most other people commenting on them) in our draft towards a general lack of knowledge of history is pretty ####### stupid.Wow, you are not one for much history. I see the "popular" is better.We'll see where they get slotted but at 1.01 you should nail the top spot in a category and I don't see how he's going to do that so i have to kindly disagree.That said, it's probably the worst pick since then, only slightly contested by the Gabrini (?) explorer pick and Lincoln.This pick is worse than Sun Tzu at 1.01.
eta: I'd be bitter too if I fell flat on my face with the first overall pick.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
If someone wants to start insulting me because I don't agree with his poor defenses of the worst picks of the draft then I'm going to point that out (unless they're a judge). That said, if MK can keep the sarcastic #####ery out of his posts, so can I.
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Thorn
Footballguy
Wow looking at the first post a lot of the people on my list are gone. Looks like a few survived though, so I should be able to decide on one of them within the next few minutes.
And one piece of shameless self-promotion: for the first time in my life, I skied double-diamond expert terrain. Therefore, I have bumped myself up to the 204,438th tier in the Athlete category. Currently targeting the millionth round.
And one piece of shameless self-promotion: for the first time in my life, I skied double-diamond expert terrain. Therefore, I have bumped myself up to the 204,438th tier in the Athlete category. Currently targeting the millionth round.
thatguy
Footballguy
I was just kidding. I don't care if you guys go at it.
timschochet
Footballguy
Crongatulations, Comrade DC Thunder! You have truly proved yourself a brave member of the proletariat! Allow me to award you this ribbon to commemorate your fine work so far, and remember to follow with all of your being the following truths:
1. I will work harder.
2. Comrade Timschochet is always right.
If things get difficult for you in the future, just repeat the above and you will feel much better.
As for the rest of you, DC Thunder should serve as your example!
1. I will work harder.
2. Comrade Timschochet is always right.
If things get difficult for you in the future, just repeat the above and you will feel much better.
As for the rest of you, DC Thunder should serve as your example!
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Where?I noticed blue intermediates in some parts of the country are equivalent to black diamond in others.And one piece of shameless self-promotion: for the first time in my life, I skied double-diamond expert terrain. Therefore, I have bumped myself up to the 204,438th tier in the Athlete category. Currently targeting the millionth round.
FWIW, gave up DBD in North America after I skied here.
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