World's Greatest Draft (2 Viewers)

[Mario Kart]

It usually helps, however, to know that a man was actually born, lived and accomplished something. Right now, all we have from Sun Tzu is a book that he supposedly wrote, but which could have been a compilation made by a clerk whose master asked him to write to various generals and have them each contribute a chapter. Or it could have been put together gradually, over a period of decades."Scholars have expressed doubt in Sun's historicity and the traditional dating of The Art of War. The skepticism is fueled by factors that include historical inaccuracies and anachronisms in the text, as well as the unlikelihood of the execution of the king's favorite concubines. Increasing skepticism, which sometimes cause scholars to completely deny the existence of a historical figure named Sun Wu (Sun Tzu), has lead to acrimonious debate between skeptics and traditionalists, especially in China. Attribution of The Art of War's authorship varies among scholars, and have included people and movements including Sun; Chu scholar Wu Zixu; an unknown author; a school of thought in Qi or Wu; and Sun Bin."As soon as we arrive at a category called "Important works on the science and art of war", the work might well have pride of place.

So, what you are saying is that Sun Tzu ranks in the area of 10-15 if not in the 16-20 range in your ranking. I ask because you are judging the Military category and it would appear theorists do not rank highly on your list of importance.

 

[mad sweeney]

4. 16 Voltaire- Philosopher

François-Marie Arouet (21 November 1694 – 30 May 1778), better known by the pen name Voltaire, was a French Enlightenment writer, essayist, and philosopher known for his wit, philosophical sport and defence of civil liberties, including freedom of religion and free trade.Voltaire was a prolific writer and produced works in almost every literary form, authoring plays, poetry, novels, essays, historical and scientific works, more than 20,000 letters and more than 2000 books and pamphlets.He was an outspoken supporter of social reform, despite strict censorship laws and harsh penalties for those who broke them. A satirical polemicist, he frequently made use of his works to criticize Catholic Church dogma and the French institutions of his day.Voltaire was one of several Enlightenment figures whose works and ideas influenced important thinkers of both the American and French Revolutions.

Candide was one of the few books I was made to read in high school that I actually enjoyed in spite of it being an assignment. Good pick.

 

[Usual21]

Sorry about being skipped guys. Had a small situation at the new house that needed immediate attention.

4.07 - Muhammad Ali - Athlete

His nickname says it all. THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME!

Muhammad Ali (born Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr., January 17, 1942 in Louisville, Kentucky, U.S.) is a retired American boxer and former three-time World Heavyweight Champion.

As an amateur, Ali won a gold medal at the Olympic in the light heavyweight division gold medal. As a professional, he became the only man to have won the linear heavyweight championship three times.

In 1999, Ali was crowned "Sportsman of the Century" by Sports Illustrated and the BBC.

Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr., was born in Louisville, Kentucky. He was named after his father, Cassius Marcellus Clay Sr., who was named for the 19th century abolitionist and politician of the same name. Ali changed his name after joining the Nation of Islam in 1964, subsequently converting to Sunni Islam in 1975 and then Sufism.

Ali was known for his fighting style, which he described as "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee". Throughout his career Ali made a name for himself with great handspeed, as well as swift feet and taunting tactics. While Ali was renowned for his fast, sharp out-fighting style, he also had a great chin, and displayed great courage and an ability to take a punch throughout his career.

Muhammad Ali defeated almost every top heavyweight in his era, which has been called the golden age of heavyweight boxing. Ali was named "Fighter of the Year" by Ring Magazine more times than any other fighter, and was involved in more Ring Magazine "Fight of the Year" bouts than any other fighter. He is an inductee into the International Boxing Hall of Fame and holds wins over seven other Hall of Fame inductees.

This is the guy I wanted to be when I was 4 years old. Love this dude.

 

[Ozymandias]

It usually helps, however, to know that a man was actually born, lived and accomplished something. Right now, all we have from Sun Tzu is a book that he supposedly wrote, but which could have been a compilation made by a clerk whose master asked him to write to various generals and have them each contribute a chapter. Or it could have been put together gradually, over a period of decades."Scholars have expressed doubt in Sun's historicity and the traditional dating of The Art of War. The skepticism is fueled by factors that include historical inaccuracies and anachronisms in the text, as well as the unlikelihood of the execution of the king's favorite concubines. Increasing skepticism, which sometimes cause scholars to completely deny the existence of a historical figure named Sun Wu (Sun Tzu), has lead to acrimonious debate between skeptics and traditionalists, especially in China. Attribution of The Art of War's authorship varies among scholars, and have included people and movements including Sun; Chu scholar Wu Zixu; an unknown author; a school of thought in Qi or Wu; and Sun Bin."As soon as we arrive at a category called "Important works on the science and art of war", the work might well have pride of place.

So, what you are saying is that Sun Tzu ranks in the area of 10-15 if not in the 16-20 range in your ranking. I ask because you are judging the Military category and it would appear theorists do not rank highly on your list of importance.

If I were to tell you where I ranked him, the whiners would come out in force.

 

[Mario Kart]

It usually helps, however, to know that a man was actually born, lived and accomplished something. Right now, all we have from Sun Tzu is a book that he supposedly wrote, but which could have been a compilation made by a clerk whose master asked him to write to various generals and have them each contribute a chapter. Or it could have been put together gradually, over a period of decades."Scholars have expressed doubt in Sun's historicity and the traditional dating of The Art of War. The skepticism is fueled by factors that include historical inaccuracies and anachronisms in the text, as well as the unlikelihood of the execution of the king's favorite concubines. Increasing skepticism, which sometimes cause scholars to completely deny the existence of a historical figure named Sun Wu (Sun Tzu), has lead to acrimonious debate between skeptics and traditionalists, especially in China. Attribution of The Art of War's authorship varies among scholars, and have included people and movements including Sun; Chu scholar Wu Zixu; an unknown author; a school of thought in Qi or Wu; and Sun Bin."As soon as we arrive at a category called "Important works on the science and art of war", the work might well have pride of place.

So, what you are saying is that Sun Tzu ranks in the area of 10-15 if not in the 16-20 range in your ranking. I ask because you are judging the Military category and it would appear theorists do not rank highly on your list of importance.

If I were to tell you where I ranked him, the whiners would come out in force.

True.

 

[Mario Kart]

17. FUBAR - Turn to Pick

18. Arsenal of Doom - On the deck

19. Larry Boy 44 - in the hole

20. Mario Kart -

Arsenal and larry are here. We need FUBAR.

 

[dparker713]

And most of the time people arent including military theorists in the discussion. Sun Tzu is without a doubt the top military theorist in history, so its a question of how you mix generals with theorists.

I've said this several times. See my above post about where to slot Tzu with regards to the great military minds that never heard of him before.

Most of the greatest military minds that you list have technology to credit for a large portion of their dominance. And there are plenty of people that have been influenced by Sun Tzu, he need not have influenced everyone in history to deserve consideration for the top spot.

Foul, overgeneralization.He should at least have some influence on more than 1 of the 4 greatest military men of history.

So, umm, would 2 in 5 be sufficient? Or does it have to be the top 4? How exactly do we arrive at a the appropriate percentage? How about this, of that list of 4, only one had access to his works and is known to be significantly influenced by him. Sounds to me like a 1.000 batting average.

 

[AcerFC]

17. FUBAR - Turn to Pick18. Arsenal of Doom - On the deck19. Larry Boy 44 - in the hole20. Mario Kart - Arsenal and larry are here. We need FUBAR.

I sent him a PM

 

[timschochet]

three great picks in a row, guys!! Outstanding.

Hippocrates- arguably the greatest medical scientist to ever live.

Voltaire- Could also be an intellectual, and quite possibly a top one.

Muhammad Ali- Arguably a top 5 sports figure. Also, arguably the #1 celebrity.

 

[dparker713]

Alexander, Hannibal, Khan and Napoleon are all GREATER military figures than Sun Tzu.

That is very much your opinion, and not one I, in particular, agree with.

Of course it's my opinion. And when Ozy judges military or whoever judges any of the categories it will be based on their opinion. I view greatness in terms of accomplishment first, legacy and influence second. Three of those people have been judged by and large in the opinions of learned men to be the greatest military men in all of history without the benefit of Tzu's book. Those men that accomplished are going to rank higher than those that talked about it.

Ok, see, the bolded segment is a statement in absolute terms - a statement of fact. You seem very unaware in that post that the statement in question is in actuality an opinion. Atleast now you're acknowledging that statement is an opinion.

It usually helps, however, to know that a man was actually born, lived and accomplished something. Right now, all we have from Sun Tzu is a book that he supposedly wrote, but which could have been a compilation made by a clerk whose master asked him to write to various generals and have them each contribute a chapter. Or it could have been put together gradually, over a period of decades."Scholars have expressed doubt in Sun's historicity and the traditional dating of The Art of War. The skepticism is fueled by factors that include historical inaccuracies and anachronisms in the text, as well as the unlikelihood of the execution of the king's favorite concubines. Increasing skepticism, which sometimes cause scholars to completely deny the existence of a historical figure named Sun Wu (Sun Tzu), has lead to acrimonious debate between skeptics and traditionalists, especially in China. Attribution of The Art of War's authorship varies among scholars, and have included people and movements including Sun; Chu scholar Wu Zixu; an unknown author; a school of thought in Qi or Wu; and Sun Bin."

As soon as we arrive at a category called "Important works on the science and art of war", the work might well have pride of place.

He's no more problematic than Moses or several other people drafted thus far. And I've seen you claim time and again its more important to put the theories into practice, but the battles, wars, victories, armies, and empires all fade. The theories and the lessons from past battles endure. The principles in The Art of War have maintained relevance for well over 2,000 years and show no signs of becoming obsolete anytime soon.

 

[BobbyLayne]

three great picks in a row, guys!! Outstanding.

Hippocrates- arguably the greatest medical scientist to ever live.

Voltaire- Could also be an intellectual, and quite possibly a top one.

Muhammad Ali- Arguably a top 5 sports figure. Also, arguably the #1 celebrity.

Stellar work, guys.

Don't forget DC Thunder and Thorn led off the off the clock drafting with Vlad Lenin and Euclid.

Nothing but net all night.

 

[Ozymandias]

"And I've seen you claim time and again its more important to put the theories into practice, but the battles, wars, victories, armies, and empires all fade. The theories and the lessons from past battles endure. The principles in The Art of War have maintained relevance for well over 2,000 years and show no signs of becoming obsolete anytime soon."

You're entitled to your opinion, wrong as it may be.

 

[mad sweeney]

And most of the time people arent including military theorists in the discussion. Sun Tzu is without a doubt the top military theorist in history, so its a question of how you mix generals with theorists.

I've said this several times. See my above post about where to slot Tzu with regards to the great military minds that never heard of him before.

Most of the greatest military minds that you list have technology to credit for a large portion of their dominance. And there are plenty of people that have been influenced by Sun Tzu, he need not have influenced everyone in history to deserve consideration for the top spot.

Foul, overgeneralization.He should at least have some influence on more than 1 of the 4 greatest military men of history.

So, umm, would 2 in 5 be sufficient? Or does it have to be the top 4? How exactly do we arrive at a the appropriate percentage? How about this, of that list of 4, only one had access to his works and is known to be significantly influenced by him. Sounds to me like a 1.000 batting average.

Umm, not to debate him, um, as the top, um, spot. Unless, um, the 2 he did, um, only used his, um, teachings and no one, um, elses. And, um, were ranked, um, higher than, um the 3 um, who didn't. UmmmmmmUm is the dumbest word to include when trying to prove a point. Pretty much instantly invalidates anything you have to say, IMO.

If 3 can do it without him, how does that make him better than those three? Especially when the one who did isn't the best of the the 3, in a given historian majority opinion.

And I named 4 because I believe that is the number of military guys not named Tzu taken in the draft so far...eta: My apologies, there were 6 taken not named Tzu but the other two aren't ranked yet and aren't in the top 5 of my list (Tzu is 5 fyi) and neither of those two have heard of Tzu either (J Caesar and Seputai, one of Ghegis' generals). So 1 of 6 (4 of whom are near universally praised as the top 4 military minds of history) of the top 6 military minds taken in the draft have been influeced by Tzu.

 

[timschochet]

And now for some great Voltaire quotes:

God is a comedian, playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.

God gave us the gift of life; it is up to us to give ourselves the gift of living well.

I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it.

 

[FUBAR]

three great picks in a row, guys!! Outstanding.

Hippocrates- arguably the greatest medical scientist to ever live.

Voltaire- Could also be an intellectual, and quite possibly a top one.

Muhammad Ali- Arguably a top 5 sports figure. Also, arguably the #1 celebrity.

seriously, my list keeps getting stolen. Eyes on your own paper people!

 

[dparker713]

"And I've seen you claim time and again its more important to put the theories into practice, but the battles, wars, victories, armies, and empires all fade. The theories and the lessons from past battles endure. The principles in The Art of War have maintained relevance for well over 2,000 years and show no signs of becoming obsolete anytime soon."You're entitled to your opinion, wrong as it may be.

Just as you're entitled to ignore the importance of the technological advantages Alexander and Ghengis enjoyed, wrong as it may be.

 

[flysack]

I'm surprised the military arguments are so competitive.

 

[Mario Kart]

seriously, my list keeps getting stolen. Eyes on your own paper people!

FUBAR is breaking my heart. Comes in to post and disappears.

 

[flysack]

And now for some great Voltaire quotes:God is a comedian, playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.

I've always loved this one. I agree with whoever said Voltaire would make a good Intellectual pick - his fiction was as good as his philosophy, though he gets top spots for neither.Tim is the judge, but I bet Voltaire would be a fantastic Wildcard too.

 

[FUBAR]

seriously, my list keeps getting stolen. Eyes on your own paper people!

FUBAR is breaking my heart. Comes in to post and disappears.

I didn't disappear, just had to check off my list. pick coming

 

[Orange Crush]

And now for some great Voltaire quotes:God is a comedian, playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.

I've always loved this one. I agree with whoever said Voltaire would make a good Intellectual pick - his fiction was as good as his philosophy, though he gets top spots for neither.Tim is the judge, but I bet Voltaire would be a fantastic Wildcard too.

The problem with taking a Wildcard this early is that Tim hands out too many '10's. Yeah Voltaire would get one, but so would some lightweight that just happens to catch Tim's fancy.

 

[dparker713]

Umm, not to debate him, um, as the top, um, spot. Unless, um, the 2 he did, um, only used his, um, teachings and no one, um, elses. And, um, were ranked, um, higher than, um the 3 um, who didn't. UmmmmmmUm is the dumbest word to include when trying to prove a point. Pretty much instantly invalidates anything you have to say, IMO.

Since I included umm to display the ridiculousness of your contention, and you went on to rant like a raving lunatic, it would seem umm actually validated everything I said.

 

[timschochet]

And now for some great Voltaire quotes:

God is a comedian, playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.

I've always loved this one. I agree with whoever said Voltaire would make a good Intellectual pick - his fiction was as good as his philosophy, though he gets top spots for neither.

Tim is the judge, but I bet Voltaire would be a fantastic Wildcard too.

The problem with taking a Wildcard this early is that Tim hands out too many '10's. Yeah Voltaire would get one, but so would some lightweight that just happens to catch Tim's fancy.

I don't give 10s to lightweights.

 

[FUBAR]

Victor-Marie Hugo (French pronunciation: [viktɔʁ maʁi yˈɡo]) (26 February 1802 – 22 May 1885) was a French poet, playwright, novelist, essayist, visual artist, statesman, human rights activist and exponent of the Romantic movement in France.

In France, Hugo's literary reputation rests primarily on his poetic and dramatic output and only secondarily on his novels. Among many volumes of poetry, Les Contemplations and La Légende des siècles stand particularly high in critical esteem, and Hugo is sometimes identified as the greatest French poet. Outside France, his best-known works are the novels Les Misérables and Notre-Dame de Paris (sometimes translated into English as The Hunchback of Notre Dame).

Works

* Odes et poésies diverses (1822)

* Odes (Hugo) (1823)

* Han d'Islande (1823) (Hans of Iceland)

* Nouvelles Odes (1824)

* Bug-Jargal (1826)

* Odes et Ballades (1826)

* Cromwell (1827)

* Les Orientales (1829)

* Le Dernier jour d'un condamné (1829) (The Last Day of a Condemned Man)

* Hernani (1830)

* Notre-Dame de Paris (1831), (The Hunchback of Notre Dame)

* Marion Delorme (1831)

* Les Feuilles d'automne (1831)

* Le roi s'amuse (1832)

* Lucrèce Borgia (1833) (Lucretia Borgia)

* Marie Tudor (1833)

* Littérature et philosophie mêlées (1834)

* Claude Gueux (1834)

* Angelo, tyran de padoue (1835)

* Les Chants du crépuscule (1835)

* La Esmeralda (only libretto of an opera written by Victor Hugo himself) (1836)

* Les Voix intérieures (1837)

* Ruy Blas (1838)

* Les Rayons et les ombres (1840)

* Le Rhin (1842)

* Les Burgraves (1843)

* Napoléon le Petit (1852)

* Les Châtiments (1853)

* Les Contemplations (1856)

* La Légende des siècles (1859)

* Les Misérables (1862)

* William Shakespeare (1864)

* Les Chansons des rues et des bois (1865)

* Les Travailleurs de la Mer (1866), (Toilers of the Sea)

* La voix de Guernsey (1867)

* L'Homme qui rit (1869), (The Man Who Laughs)

* L'Année terrible (1872)

* Quatrevingt-treize (Ninety-Three) (1874)

* Mes Fils (1874)

* Actes et paroles — Avant l'exil (1875)

* Actes et paroles - Pendant l'exil (1875)

* Actes et paroles - Depuis l'exil (1876)

* La Légende des Siècles 2e série (1877)

* L'Art d'être grand-père (1877)

* Histoire d'un crime 1re partie (1877)

* Histoire d'un crime 2e partie (1878)

* Le Pape (1878)

* La pitié suprême (1879)

* Religions et religion (1880)

* L'Âne (1880)

* Les Quatres vents de l'esprit (1881)

* Torquemada (1882)

* La Légende des siècles Tome III (1883)

* L'Archipel de la Manche (1883)

[edit] Published posthumously

* Théâtre en liberté (1886)

* La fin de Satan (1886)

* Choses vues (1887)

* Toute la lyre (1888)

* Amy Robsart (1889)

* Les Jumeaux (1889)

* Actes et Paroles Depuis l'exil, 1876-1885 (1889)

* Alpes et Pyrénées (1890)

* Dieu (1891)

* France et Belgique (1892)

* Toute la lyre - dernière série (1893)

* Correspondances - Tome I (1896)

* Correspondances - Tome II (1898)

* Les années funestes (1898)

* Choses vues - nouvelle série (1900)

* Post-scriptum de ma vie (1901)

* Dernière Gerbe (1902)

* Mille francs de récompense (1934)

* Océan. Tas de pierres (1942)

* L'Intervention (1951)

* Conversations with Eternity

Honestly, one of the few remaining writers I'd consider great whose works I actually liked.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'm surprised the military arguments are so competitive.

Never would have seen that one coming, eh.

This is way better than the G.A.D. when every other night was Larry Boy defending his Hulk Hogan/Michael Crichton/Angelina Jolie picks.



Great draft so far, LB. I know you are panicking with the Blue, Orange and Purple turles off the board, but you'll figure it out.

 

[Orange Crush]

And now for some great Voltaire quotes:

God is a comedian, playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.

I've always loved this one. I agree with whoever said Voltaire would make a good Intellectual pick - his fiction was as good as his philosophy, though he gets top spots for neither.

Tim is the judge, but I bet Voltaire would be a fantastic Wildcard too.

The problem with taking a Wildcard this early is that Tim hands out too many '10's. Yeah Voltaire would get one, but so would some lightweight that just happens to catch Tim's fancy.

I don't give 10s to lightweights.

Buddy Holly was a lightweight compared to his GAD peers.And excellent arguments were made criticizing some others (Paul Revere immediately comes to mind).

 

[mad sweeney]

Umm, not to debate him, um, as the top, um, spot. Unless, um, the 2 he did, um, only used his, um, teachings and no one, um, elses. And, um, were ranked, um, higher than, um the 3 um, who didn't. Ummmmmm

Um is the dumbest word to include when trying to prove a point. Pretty much instantly invalidates anything you have to say, IMO.

Since I included umm to display the ridiculousness of your contention, and you went on to rant like a raving lunatic, it would seem umm actually validated everything I said.

I fail to see any ridiculousness in using the number of people we've drafted in relation to Tzu in his category to illustrate my point of where he ranks in his category. I think it was very apt.I'm done with you. (Fact, not opinion)

 

[Abrantes]

Hugo's excellent. Would've probably been there a few rounds from now, but still a nice pick.

 

[dparker713]

Umm, not to debate him, um, as the top, um, spot. Unless, um, the 2 he did, um, only used his, um, teachings and no one, um, elses. And, um, were ranked, um, higher than, um the 3 um, who didn't. Ummmmmm

Um is the dumbest word to include when trying to prove a point. Pretty much instantly invalidates anything you have to say, IMO.

Since I included umm to display the ridiculousness of your contention, and you went on to rant like a raving lunatic, it would seem umm actually validated everything I said.

I fail to see any ridiculousness in using the number of people we've drafted in relation to Tzu in his category to illustrate my point of where he ranks in his category. I think it was very apt.I'm done with you. (Fact, not opinion)

Sweet, you cried uncle. I win. (Fact, not opinion)

 

[larry_boy_44]

I'm surprised the military arguments are so competitive.

Never would have seen that one coming, eh.

This is way better than the G.A.D. when every other night was Larry Boy defending his Hulk Hogan/Michael Crichton/Angelina Jolie picks.



Great draft so far, LB. I know you are panicking with the Blue, Orange and Purple turles off the board, but you'll figure it out.

I KNOW!!!

and the worst part is that I never really liked the red turtle... he was my least favorite and it wasn't even close...

 

[mad sweeney]

Victor-Marie Hugo (French pronunciation: [viktɔʁ maʁi yˈɡo]) (26 February 1802 – 22 May 1885) was a French poet, playwright, novelist, essayist, visual artist, statesman, human rights activist and exponent of the Romantic movement in France.

In France, Hugo's literary reputation rests primarily on his poetic and dramatic output and only secondarily on his novels. Among many volumes of poetry, Les Contemplations and La Légende des siècles stand particularly high in critical esteem, and Hugo is sometimes identified as the greatest French poet. Outside France, his best-known works are the novels Les Misérables and Notre-Dame de Paris (sometimes translated into English as The Hunchback of Notre Dame).

Works

* Odes et poésies diverses (1822)

* Odes (Hugo) (1823)

* Han d'Islande (1823) (Hans of Iceland)

* Nouvelles Odes (1824)

* Bug-Jargal (1826)

* Odes et Ballades (1826)

* Cromwell (1827)

* Les Orientales (1829)

* Le Dernier jour d'un condamné (1829) (The Last Day of a Condemned Man)

* Hernani (1830)

* Notre-Dame de Paris (1831), (The Hunchback of Notre Dame)

* Marion Delorme (1831)

* Les Feuilles d'automne (1831)

* Le roi s'amuse (1832)

* Lucrèce Borgia (1833) (Lucretia Borgia)

* Marie Tudor (1833)

* Littérature et philosophie mêlées (1834)

* Claude Gueux (1834)

* Angelo, tyran de padoue (1835)

* Les Chants du crépuscule (1835)

* La Esmeralda (only libretto of an opera written by Victor Hugo himself) (1836)

* Les Voix intérieures (1837)

* Ruy Blas (1838)

* Les Rayons et les ombres (1840)

* Le Rhin (1842)

* Les Burgraves (1843)

* Napoléon le Petit (1852)

* Les Châtiments (1853)

* Les Contemplations (1856)

* La Légende des siècles (1859)

* Les Misérables (1862)

* William Shakespeare (1864)

* Les Chansons des rues et des bois (1865)

* Les Travailleurs de la Mer (1866), (Toilers of the Sea)

* La voix de Guernsey (1867)

* L'Homme qui rit (1869), (The Man Who Laughs)

* L'Année terrible (1872)

* Quatrevingt-treize (Ninety-Three) (1874)

* Mes Fils (1874)

* Actes et paroles — Avant l'exil (1875)

* Actes et paroles - Pendant l'exil (1875)

* Actes et paroles - Depuis l'exil (1876)

* La Légende des Siècles 2e série (1877)

* L'Art d'être grand-père (1877)

* Histoire d'un crime 1re partie (1877)

* Histoire d'un crime 2e partie (1878)

* Le Pape (1878)

* La pitié suprême (1879)

* Religions et religion (1880)

* L'Âne (1880)

* Les Quatres vents de l'esprit (1881)

* Torquemada (1882)

* La Légende des siècles Tome III (1883)

* L'Archipel de la Manche (1883)

[edit] Published posthumously

* Théâtre en liberté (1886)

* La fin de Satan (1886)

* Choses vues (1887)

* Toute la lyre (1888)

* Amy Robsart (1889)

* Les Jumeaux (1889)

* Actes et Paroles Depuis l'exil, 1876-1885 (1889)

* Alpes et Pyrénées (1890)

* Dieu (1891)

* France et Belgique (1892)

* Toute la lyre - dernière série (1893)

* Correspondances - Tome I (1896)

* Correspondances - Tome II (1898)

* Les années funestes (1898)

* Choses vues - nouvelle série (1900)

* Post-scriptum de ma vie (1901)

* Dernière Gerbe (1902)

* Mille francs de récompense (1934)

* Océan. Tas de pierres (1942)

* L'Intervention (1951)

* Conversations with Eternity

Honestly, one of the few remaining writers I'd consider great whose works I actually liked.

Which literary category are you putting him in?

 

[Abrantes]

"Do you bite your thumb at us, sir?"

"I do bite my thumb, sir."

"Do you bite your thumb at us, sir?"

"Is the law of our side, if I say ay?"

"No."

"No, sir, I do not bite my thumb at you, sir, but I

bite my thumb, sir."

"Do you quarrel, sir?"

"Quarrel sir! no, sir."

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Since people have been shying away from the Painter category so much, I'm going to try to break the ice here. My pick falls into the grouping considered Post-Impressionists but that is less a movement than a historical designation. In fact, the Post-Impressionist period is characterized by a group of artists who stayed more close to the Impressionist style and technique, and other who continues to push the boundaries. This artist falls into the later category, and his work was a major source of inspiration for the Expressionist movement and even Abstract Expressionist movements that followed. Because he wasn't part of an organized movement, his work is among the most recognizable in the world and also happens to be among the most popular.

Vincent van Gogh - Painter

Starry Night Over the Rhone

The Rhonebarken

The Olive Trees

The Starry Night

Vincent Willem van Gogh (30 March 1853 – 29 July 1890) was a Dutch Post-Impressionist artist.[1] Some of his paintings are now among the world's best known, most popular and expensive works of art.

Van Gogh spent his early adult life working for a firm of art dealers. After a brief spell as a teacher, he became a missionary worker in a very poor mining region. He did not embark upon a career as an artist until 1880. Initially, Van Gogh worked only with sombre colours, until he encountered Impressionism and Neo-Impressionism in Paris. He incorporated their brighter colours and style of painting into a uniquely recognizable style, which was fully developed during the time he spent at Arles, France. He produced more than 2,000 works, including around 900 paintings and 1,100 drawings and sketches, during the last ten years of his life. Most of his best-known works were produced in the final two years of his life, during which time he cut off part of his left ear following a breakdown in his friendship with xxxxxxxxx. After this he suffered recurrent bouts of mental illness, which led to his suicide.

The central figure in Van Gogh's life was his brother Theo, who continually and selflessly provided financial support. Their lifelong friendship is documented in numerous letters they exchanged from August 1872 onwards. Van Gogh is a pioneer of what came to be known as Expressionism. He had an enormous influence on 20th century art, especially on the Fauves and German Expressionists.

 

[Abrantes]

Since people have been shying away from the Painter category so much, I'm going to try to break the ice here. My pick falls into the grouping considered Post-Impressionists but that is less a movement than a historical designation. In fact, the Post-Impressionist period is characterized by a group of artists who stayed more close to the Impressionist style and technique, and other who continues to push the boundaries. This artist falls into the later category, and his work was a major source of inspiration for the Expressionist movement and even Abstract Expressionist movements that followed. Because he wasn't part of an organized movement, his work is among the most recognizable in the world and also happens to be among the most popular.

Vincent van Gogh - Painter

 

[Orange Crush]

Not only is Van Gogh a good pick, it continues the run on V's (Voltaire, Victor Hugo, ...).

Let's help Larry brainstorm another.

How about Vampira for celebrity?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Since people have been shying away from the Painter category so much, I'm going to try to break the ice here. My pick falls into the grouping considered Post-Impressionists but that is less a movement than a historical designation. In fact, the Post-Impressionist period is characterized by a group of artists who stayed more close to the Impressionist style and technique, and other who continues to push the boundaries. This artist falls into the later category, and his work was a major source of inspiration for the Expressionist movement and even Abstract Expressionist movements that followed. Because he wasn't part of an organized movement, his work is among the most recognizable in the world and also happens to be among the most popular.

Vincent van Gogh - Painter

Brave man, you are, sir.Hope the judge likes it.



Once you get beyond the two polymaths who form the majority of the high renaissance trinity, there are three from distinctly unrelated periods of vastly different styles who arguably should take up the next three painter spots.

This one - quite obviously IMO - is one those of those three.

 

[flysack]

Victor-Marie Hugo (French pronunciation: [viktɔʁ maʁi yˈɡo]) (26 February 1802 – 22 May 1885) was a French poet, playwright, novelist, essayist, visual artist, statesman, human rights activist and exponent of the Romantic movement in France.

Interesting pick. Are you claiming Poet/Playwright or Novelist/Short Story?

 

[flysack]

"Do you bite your thumb at us, sir?"

"I do bite my thumb, sir."

"Do you bite your thumb at us, sir?"

"Is the law of our side, if I say ay?"

"No."

"No, sir, I do not bite my thumb at you, sir, but I

bite my thumb, sir."

"Do you quarrel, sir?"

"Quarrel sir! no, sir."

Well quoted.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Since people have been shying away from the Painter category so much, I'm going to try to break the ice here. My pick falls into the grouping considered Post-Impressionists but that is less a movement than a historical designation. In fact, the Post-Impressionist period is characterized by a group of artists who stayed more close to the Impressionist style and technique, and other who continues to push the boundaries. This artist falls into the later category, and his work was a major source of inspiration for the Expressionist movement and even Abstract Expressionist movements that followed. Because he wasn't part of an organized movement, his work is among the most recognizable in the world and also happens to be among the most popular.

Vincent van Gogh - Painter

Brave man, you are, sir.Hope the judge likes it.



Once you get beyond the two polymaths who form the majority of the high renaissance trinity, there are three from distinctly unrelated periods of vastly different styles who arguably should take up the next three painter spots.

This one - quite obviously IMO - is one those of those three.

Yes, there's a top tier IMO. I'm judging the category but haven't scored anyone out yet. Obviously this pick will ultimately fall to Tim to place, but I think van Gogh compares favorably with any other painter based on his historical relevance, production of some of the most well known masterpieces, and overall popularity.

 

[krista4]

Victor-Marie Hugo (French pronunciation: [viktɔʁ maʁi yˈɡo]) (26 February 1802 – 22 May 1885) was a French poet, playwright, novelist, essayist, visual artist, statesman, human rights activist and exponent of the Romantic movement in France.

Interesting pick. Are you claiming Poet/Playwright or Novelist/Short Story?

 

[larry_boy_44]

have I mentioned I really hate picking in this draft?

How do you compare all of these people in all these different categories and pick the one you are most sure you want and won't get back to you next time?

 

[Abrantes]

have I mentioned I really hate picking in this draft?How do you compare all of these people in all these different categories and pick the one you are most sure you want and won't get back to you next time?

Ask the magic 8-ball.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

have I mentioned I really hate picking in this draft?How do you compare all of these people in all these different categories and pick the one you are most sure you want and won't get back to you next time?

Ask the magic 8-ball.

Seriously, just pick already.

 

[BobbyLayne]

have I mentioned I really hate picking in this draft?

How do you compare all of these people in all these different categories and pick the one you are most sure you want and won't get back to you next time?

Maybe you should sleep on it, LB?

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After all, the clock is off, no rush...

 

[larry_boy_44]

have I mentioned I really hate picking in this draft?How do you compare all of these people in all these different categories and pick the one you are most sure you want and won't get back to you next time?

Ask the magic 8-ball.

I keep getting the "maybe" answers that don't mean anything...

 

[timschochet]

Larry, you have done so well this far in, that the pressure is really on.

 

[Mario Kart]

have I mentioned I really hate picking in this draft?

How do you compare all of these people in all these different categories and pick the one you are most sure you want and won't get back to you next time?

Maybe you should sleep on it, LB?

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After all, the clock is off, no rush...

... wait...

 

[larry_boy_44]

I'm going to throw a bit of a curveball here in this very, VERY Amero-centric draft. (did I spell that right?)

I saw that Neil Armstrong was picked earlier this round and i was considering him after the big-time explorers (Magellen, Polo, & Columbus)...

However, there were two thoughts that I had about people who definitely should be considered at least equivalent to Armstrong if not in higher regard to Armstrong. Those men being the first man to leave the planet earth and fly into outer space and the first man to orbit the planet earth from in space.

So I looked these men up and I was surprised to find that it was actually the same man. That man is my pick at 4.19.

4.19 Yuri Gagarin, explorer

Yuri Alexeyevich Gagarin (Russian: Ю́рий Алексе́евич Гага́рин, Jurij Aleksejevič Gagarin Russian pronunciation: [ˈjurʲɪj ɐlʲɪˈksʲeɪvʲɪtɕ gɐˈgarʲɪn]; 9 March 1934 - 27 March 1968), Hero of the Soviet Union, was a Soviet cosmonaut. On 12 April 1961, he became the first human in space and the first to orbit the Earth. He received medals from around the world for his pioneering tour in outer space.

as has been said before, it takes a lot of courage to sail off someplace that no human has ever been before and look at things that no man has ever seen before. However, Yuri Gagarin flew solo out into space in a ship to a place where no human being had ever been before.Columbus sailed east into nothingness, not knowing what was there. However, it was still water underneath his ship and wind blowing in the sails. There was still oxygen, there were still fish, it was still earth, even if a part of the earth that had not yet been seen by Europe at the time.

Mr. Gagarin, however, went someplace no other human before him had ever gone (although many, many had dreamed of going there). He did something that no one before him had ever done, gone someplace unlike any other place a human had ever been. No gravity, no oxygen, no life. No one had ever been in the conditions that Mr. Gagarin experience when he left the atmosphere, and only a small handful of men since have ever seen and experienced what he saw and he experienced.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'm going to throw a bit of a curveball here in this very, VERY Amero-centric draft. (did I spell that right?)

I saw that Neil Armstrong was picked earlier this round and i was considering him after the big-time explorers (Magellen, Polo, & Columbus)...

However, there were two thoughts that I had about people who definitely should be considered at least equivalent to Armstrong if not in higher regard to Armstrong. Those men being the first man to leave the planet earth and fly into outer space and the first man to orbit the planet earth from in space.

So I looked these men up and I was surprised to find that it was actually the same man. That man is my pick at 4.19.

4.19 Yuri Gagarin, explorer

DC Thunder is gonna be P.O.ed with you.

 

[Fennis]

4.19 Yuri Gagarin, explorer

LB is killin' it.