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World's Greatest Draft (3 Viewers)

:rofl: Major, major stretch again. Wiki lists 16 people in league with Princip in the assassination, I would think the planner/organizer/author of the idea to kill FF had more culpability than that of a mere footsoldier. Does one guy out of 16 get the credit as #1 villain because he got lucky? Sixteen other guys were all in league to commit this act and the one guy that got lucky gets credit for 2 World Wars?! If you're going to go that far in assigning blame on one man for not just one but two world wars then let's at least give it to the right one. How about the driver, who took a wrong turn thus enabling Princip to get his shot, or Princip's father for conceiving him. Wait, the maker of the automobile Ferdinand was in needs some credit, as should the gunmaker and thus in turn the creator of gunpowder. All of thses people directly or indirectly caused WWI and WWII.
Damn.
 
Strauss belongs with Bach, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky & Wagner in my top 5.
I presume you are referring to #2 through #6, having conceded the top spot to Mozart? :hifive:

timschochet - take me off auto skip, please.

I don't think we will get through 13 picks on a Sunday. I'm going to bed now, have a 3 hour mid-morning flight, then going straight to the office. Presuming I have access around 2:30-3:00 - which would be 8:30-9:00 a.m. EST - I hope to be able to post my own picks tomorrow.

As a backup plan, I will PM a list to Fennis, Krista4 and Ozymandius.

 
timschochet said:
Another Assassin an elite villain.
FUBAR said:
Another Assassin - elite? He played an important role in history, but if we're talking truly elite villains, IMO they have to be more than a one shot performer. It would be like calling David Tyree an elite WR.
timschochet said:
I LOVE the comparison between Another Assassin and Tyree. What a wonderful argument. Yet, given whom he assassinated, I think Another Assassin does have to be regarded in the elite category anyway.
FUBAR said:
elite history maker maybe, elite villain? Manson would eat him for lunch.

ETA: actually, he's not even an elite history maker.
FUBAR makes a decent argument in regards to the assassin as the other Assassin changed history with his one shot. He was also a part of a larger plan where he became "lucky" to his his shot as the rest of the plan was foiled due to the other chickening out... similar to Princip. Where I do not agree overall is the part of "who" he shot compared to the aftermath of said action. Both of the near futures after the assassinations were dreadful, one for the death that happened, one for the personal effect on a country. But, in my opinion, the effects of the Princip shot were much more dreadful than the other assassin in question. Both changers of history, one on a country level, one on a world level. Who is worse? Who is to say? On a worldly level, Princip takes the cake as an elite villain for the effects of his shot on the world.Hitler affected the world perception but did his villain attributes affect the world on a massive level? Arguably, no.

Stalin affected the world perception but did his villain attributes affect the world on a massive level? Arguably, no.

Princip affected the world perception but did his villain attributes affect the world on a massive level? Without a doubt, yes.

 
Strauss belongs with Bach, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky & Wagner in my top 5.
I presume you are referring to #2 through #6, having conceded the top spot to Mozart? :hifive:
I like a few others here, think Mozart is vastly overrated.I'm sure he'll rank high in the judges voting...
He'll do well in the judges voting.He'll do well in the popular voting.et al
Or to put it another way JML, he requires less rationalization than...some...other...picks. :suds:
 
Handel is another good pick, and it only continues to illustrate my point about Irving Berlin. It's not a matter of then vs. now, it's a matter of musical sophistication. All of us like Irving Berlin, (or should like him) but take a look at the list of classical composers chosen so far in this draft: which one would you slot below Berlin? Answer: none of them. This is why I'm pretty sure that, unless someone drafts a composer of popular songs similar to Berlin, he's going to end up #20 in this draft.
You really are a snob.
If Tim is a snob, then what does that make me? I'm the guy Tim calls a snob. So am I a snob's snob? An elitist? :hifive: You read the part where I admitted to catching the clap from a dancer at hash/shroom party, right? I don't think elitists can get the clap. It's ontologically impossible. So if I'm not an elitist, then Tim is not a snob. See? There's a half-a@s logic here.

*I fully admit I'm filling space because I find the assassination arguments highly annoying and skip-worthy.

 
If Tim is a snob, then what does that make me? I'm the guy Tim calls a snob. So am I a snob's snob? An elitist? :lmao:
You're beyond a snob. I won't let any of these peons into my country club, because they're all beneath me. However, you won't let me into your country club.
 
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MisfitBlondes said:
I'm in full agreement that some of these "arguments" are making this thread unbearable. There's discussion opportunities being missed because some drafters insist on defending their selections ad nauseum. :lmao:
In the absence of picks being made what do you suggest?
 
Given all the other composers that have been taken so far, Strauss as a top 5 composer is...an interesting point of view.

 
I'm on my phone so I can't do a write up, not much introduction should be needed though.

The Rolling Stones- Musical Performers
Arseanal, you are really having a fine draft so far.Just remember we said the same thing about Larry for a long time, then the self-destruction started.

Keep it rolling, man, you have a great shot at taking a top 3 seed for sure.
what self destruction?

Every pick I have made has been a great one so far...
You really are fond of yourself.
 
Sorry, I was out earlier. I think we are in the 11th round and explorers seemed to be running thin so I figured this guy was a pretty well known guy

11.5 Francisco Pizarro

Francisco Pizarro González, 1st Marqués de los Atabillos (c. 1471 or 1476 – 26 June 1541) was a Spanish conquistador, conqueror of the Incan Empire and founder of Lima, the modern-day capital of Peru. Pizarro was born in Trujillo, Extremadura, Spain. Sources differ in the birth year they assign to him: 1471, 1475–1478, or unknown. He was an illegitimate son of XXXX (1446-1522) who as colonel of infantry served in the Italian campaigns under XXX, and in Navarre, with some distinction. His mother was XXXX a woman of slender means from Trujillo, daughter of XXXX, of the family called Los Roperos, and wife XXXX from Trujillo. His mother married late in life and had a son XXXX, married to XXXX, who from the beginning was at the Conquest of Perú, where he then lived, always at his brother's side, who held him always as one of his most trustful men.[1] Through his father, Francisco was second cousin to Hernán Cortés, the famed conquistador of Mexico.
I took out the names although none of them would have been picked
 
If Tim is a snob, then what does that make me? I'm the guy Tim calls a snob. So am I a snob's snob? An elitist? :sadbanana:
You're beyond a snob. I won't let any of these peons into my country club, because they're all beneath me. However, you won't let me into your country club.
Pfft, country clubs are plebian affairs.:flashes Mason gang sign:

See that? Didn't know what it was, did you?

AND YOU NEVER WILL.

 
FBG Status Check: Was Larry highly thought of before this thread?

I'm just wondering if I'm watching a rerun or a tragedy.

TIA!

 
If Tim is a snob, then what does that make me? I'm the guy Tim calls a snob. So am I a snob's snob? An elitist? :goodposting:
You're beyond a snob. I won't let any of these peons into my country club, because they're all beneath me. However, you won't let me into your country club.
Pfft, country clubs are plebian affairs.:flashes Mason gang sign:

See that? Didn't know what it was, did you?

AND YOU NEVER WILL.
Kramer entersKRAMER: Hey.

JERRY: Hey.

ELAINE: Hey!

KRAMER: Alright, so there I am at Lorenzo's - loading up my slice of the fixin's bar.. garlic, (imitates the shaking of garlic onto a pizza) and what-not.. mmm,

mmm.. and I see this guy over at the pizza boxes giving me the stink-eye. (Imitates the 'stink-eye') So I give hime the crook-eye back, (Imitates the 'crook-eye') you

know.. Then, I notice that he's not alone! I'm taking on the entire Van Buren Boys!

JERRY: The Van Buren Boys? There's a street gang named after President Martin Van Buren?

KRAMER: Oh yeah, and they're just as mean as he was! So, I make a move to the door, you know, (makes a noise) they block it! So, I lunged for the bathroom.

(demonstrates) I grab the knob - Occupado! Then they back me up agains the cartoon map of Italy, and all of the sudden, they just stop.

ELAINE: What? What happened?

KRAMER: Because I'm still holding the garlic shaker.. Yeah.. like this (grabs Jerry's peper shaker, and demonstrates) I'm only showing eight fingers.

JERRY: Well, what does that mean?

KRAMER: That's their secret sign! See, Van Buren, he was teh eighth President.. (Holds up 8 fingers) They thought I was a former Van B. Boy!


 
I'm on my phone so I can't do a write up, not much introduction should be needed though.

The Rolling Stones- Musical Performers
Arseanal, you are really having a fine draft so far.Just remember we said the same thing about Larry for a long time, then the self-destruction started.

Keep it rolling, man, you have a great shot at taking a top 3 seed for sure.
what self destruction?

Every pick I have made has been a great one so far...
Your picks have been great. What has undermined them has been your arguing for them afterward. It's like the story of Mark Twain going to church to hear about missions in Africa. After ten minutes, he was willing to give $20. After twenty minutes, he was willing to give $10. After half an hour, he was willing to give $1. When the speaker finally finished and they passed around the collection plate, he took $5 out of the plate.
 
FBG Status Check: Was Larry highly thought of before this thread?

I'm just wondering if I'm watching a rerun or a tragedy.

TIA!
He once argued strenuously that dragons actually existed during the time of dinosaurs. That was epic.Though I must say I don't get the hate for the Mary pick. I think it's brilliant.

 
FBG Status Check: Was Larry highly thought of before this thread?

I'm just wondering if I'm watching a rerun or a tragedy.

TIA!
LB has a long, weird & entertaining draft history. He took Angelina Jolie & Hulk Hogan in the GAD & spent about 19 pgs of that thread rabidly defending various aspects of junk culture. He's actually starting to grow on many of us. If he would just occasionally stipulate that he has the cultural depth of a blackhead & not cling to his notions like a pitbull to a chewtoy, he would be an asset to any draft.
 
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Sorry, I was out earlier. I think we are in the 11th round and explorers seemed to be running thin so I figured this guy was a pretty well known guy

11.5 Francisco Pizarro

Francisco Pizarro González, 1st Marqués de los Atabillos (c. 1471 or 1476 – 26 June 1541) was a Spanish conquistador, conqueror of the Incan Empire and founder of Lima, the modern-day capital of Peru. Pizarro was born in Trujillo, Extremadura, Spain. Sources differ in the birth year they assign to him: 1471, 1475–1478, or unknown. He was an illegitimate son of XXXX (1446-1522) who as colonel of infantry served in the Italian campaigns under XXX, and in Navarre, with some distinction. His mother was XXXX a woman of slender means from Trujillo, daughter of XXXX, of the family called Los Roperos, and wife XXXX from Trujillo. His mother married late in life and had a son XXXX, married to XXXX, who from the beginning was at the Conquest of Perú, where he then lived, always at his brother's side, who held him always as one of his most trustful men.[1] Through his father, Francisco was second cousin to Hernán Cortés, the famed conquistador of Mexico.
I took out the names although none of them would have been picked
I don't know what category you want this guy in.
 
Sorry, I was out earlier. I think we are in the 11th round and explorers seemed to be running thin so I figured this guy was a pretty well known guy

11.5 Francisco Pizarro

Francisco Pizarro González, 1st Marqués de los Atabillos (c. 1471 or 1476 – 26 June 1541) was a Spanish conquistador, conqueror of the Incan Empire and founder of Lima, the modern-day capital of Peru. Pizarro was born in Trujillo, Extremadura, Spain. Sources differ in the birth year they assign to him: 1471, 1475–1478, or unknown. He was an illegitimate son of XXXX (1446-1522) who as colonel of infantry served in the Italian campaigns under XXX, and in Navarre, with some distinction. His mother was XXXX a woman of slender means from Trujillo, daughter of XXXX, of the family called Los Roperos, and wife XXXX from Trujillo. His mother married late in life and had a son XXXX, married to XXXX, who from the beginning was at the Conquest of Perú, where he then lived, always at his brother's side, who held him always as one of his most trustful men.[1] Through his father, Francisco was second cousin to Hernán Cortés, the famed conquistador of Mexico.
I took out the names although none of them would have been picked
I don't know what category you want this guy in.
Honestly Tim? Do a little reading pal.
 
FBG Status Check: Was Larry highly thought of before this thread?

I'm just wondering if I'm watching a rerun or a tragedy.

TIA!
He once argued strenuously that dragons actually existed during the time of dinosaurs. That was epic.Though I must say I don't get the hate for the Mary pick. I think it's brilliant.
:lmao: :no: :towelwave: I do agree that the Mary pick is brilliant. In general, anyone who appears over and over in food products is a sure lock top 5 celebrity. If I were the judge, this would be one of my criteria (I'm only semi-serious about this).

Monroe, Elvis, Jesus and Mary are the only people who appear in potato chips and fruit salad. They're the giants.

 
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Sorry, I was out earlier. I think we are in the 11th round and explorers seemed to be running thin so I figured this guy was a pretty well known guy

11.5 Francisco Pizarro

Francisco Pizarro González, 1st Marqués de los Atabillos (c. 1471 or 1476 – 26 June 1541) was a Spanish conquistador, conqueror of the Incan Empire and founder of Lima, the modern-day capital of Peru. Pizarro was born in Trujillo, Extremadura, Spain. Sources differ in the birth year they assign to him: 1471, 1475–1478, or unknown. He was an illegitimate son of XXXX (1446-1522) who as colonel of infantry served in the Italian campaigns under XXX, and in Navarre, with some distinction. His mother was XXXX a woman of slender means from Trujillo, daughter of XXXX, of the family called Los Roperos, and wife XXXX from Trujillo. His mother married late in life and had a son XXXX, married to XXXX, who from the beginning was at the Conquest of Perú, where he then lived, always at his brother's side, who held him always as one of his most trustful men.[1] Through his father, Francisco was second cousin to Hernán Cortés, the famed conquistador of Mexico.
I took out the names although none of them would have been picked
I don't know what category you want this guy in.
Honestly Tim? Do a little reading pal.
Oops. Sorry. trying to watch the Lakers while I type.
 
FBG Status Check: Was Larry highly thought of before this thread?

I'm just wondering if I'm watching a rerun or a tragedy.

TIA!
LB has a long, weird & entertaining draft history. He took Angelina Jolie & Hulk Hogan in the GAD & spent about 19 pgs of that thread rabidly defending various aspects of junk culture. He's actually starting to grow on many of us. If he would just occasionally stipulate that he has the cultural depth of a blackhead & not cling to his notions like a pitbull to a chewtoy, he would be an asset to any draft.
I can see this. I don't dislike Larry at all. He can be very entertaining. I do dislike when his arguments enter their 10th post. But he's the spice in our taco. Or maybe the brown toilet paste the spice produces. I need to work on this metaphor.
 
I'm on my phone so I can't do a write up, not much introduction should be needed though.

The Rolling Stones- Musical Performers
Arseanal, you are really having a fine draft so far.Just remember we said the same thing about Larry for a long time, then the self-destruction started.

Keep it rolling, man, you have a great shot at taking a top 3 seed for sure.
:goodposting: That made me laugh.
 
I'm on my phone so I can't do a write up, not much introduction should be needed though.

The Rolling Stones- Musical Performers
Arseanal, you are really having a fine draft so far.Just remember we said the same thing about Larry for a long time, then the self-destruction started.

Keep it rolling, man, you have a great shot at taking a top 3 seed for sure.
:loco: That made me laugh.
Wiki entry :lol:

 
Hitler affected the world perception but did his villain attributes affect the world on a massive level? Arguably, no.Stalin affected the world perception but did his villain attributes affect the world on a massive level? Arguably, no.Princip affected the world perception but did his villain attributes affect the world on a massive level? Without a doubt, yes.
Nice sig material. You're out in left field there Mario.
 
Hitler affected the world perception but did his villain attributes affect the world on a massive level? Arguably, no.Stalin affected the world perception but did his villain attributes affect the world on a massive level? Arguably, no.Princip affected the world perception but did his villain attributes affect the world on a massive level? Without a doubt, yes.
Nice sig material. You're out in left field there Mario.
Yes, but they found a copy of Sun Tzu in Princip's back pocket.
 
thatguy said:
larry_boy_44 said:
BobbyLayne said:
Arsenal of Doom said:
I'm on my phone so I can't do a write up, not much introduction should be needed though.

The Rolling Stones- Musical Performers
Arseanal, you are really having a fine draft so far.Just remember we said the same thing about Larry for a long time, then the self-destruction started.

Keep it rolling, man, you have a great shot at taking a top 3 seed for sure.
what self destruction?

Every pick I have made has been a great one so far...
You really are fond of yourself.
nah, I'm, very capable of admitting my faults... I just haven't made any yet in this draft, all of my picks have been solid...If you disagree I'd love to hear which of my picks you think were bad and why...

 
Ozymandias said:
larry_boy_44 said:
BobbyLayne said:
Arsenal of Doom said:
I'm on my phone so I can't do a write up, not much introduction should be needed though.

The Rolling Stones- Musical Performers
Arseanal, you are really having a fine draft so far.Just remember we said the same thing about Larry for a long time, then the self-destruction started.

Keep it rolling, man, you have a great shot at taking a top 3 seed for sure.
what self destruction?

Every pick I have made has been a great one so far...
Your picks have been great. What has undermined them has been your arguing for them afterward. It's like the story of Mark Twain going to church to hear about missions in Africa. After ten minutes, he was willing to give $20. After twenty minutes, he was willing to give $10. After half an hour, he was willing to give $1. When the speaker finally finished and they passed around the collection plate, he took $5 out of the plate.
:confused: I'm bored and there's nothing else going on...

if someone else would talk about their picks or... well... do anything... I wouldn't do it as much...

 
Thorn said:
flysack said:
FBG Status Check: Was Larry highly thought of before this thread?

I'm just wondering if I'm watching a rerun or a tragedy.

TIA!
He once argued strenuously that dragons actually existed during the time of dinosaurs. That was epic.Though I must say I don't get the hate for the Mary pick. I think it's brilliant.
ok, a few things:1. that's not exactly what I was saying (and on I am not going to get into what I was trying to say)

2. THAT WAS LIKE SIX FREAKING YEARS AGO!!

3. I was, at the same time, stating my opinion and trying to relay the opinion of a semi-crazy "Christian Science" seminar that was happening at my church (upon request of others)... not everything attributed to me during that time was what I actually thought...

 
Funcooker said:
flysack said:
FBG Status Check: Was Larry highly thought of before this thread?

I'm just wondering if I'm watching a rerun or a tragedy.

TIA!
LB has a long, weird & entertaining draft history. He took Angelina Jolie & Hulk Hogan in the GAD & spent about 19 pgs of that thread rabidly defending various aspects of junk culture. He's actually starting to grow on many of us. If he would just occasionally stipulate that he has the cultural depth of a blackhead & not cling to his notions like a pitbull to a chewtoy, he would be an asset to any draft.
:confused: more like I enjoy arguing about anything (even absurd silly stuff) way too much and I really really need to get a life...

 
thatguy said:
larry_boy_44 said:
BobbyLayne said:
Arsenal of Doom said:
I'm on my phone so I can't do a write up, not much introduction should be needed though.

The Rolling Stones- Musical Performers
Arseanal, you are really having a fine draft so far.Just remember we said the same thing about Larry for a long time, then the self-destruction started.

Keep it rolling, man, you have a great shot at taking a top 3 seed for sure.
what self destruction?

Every pick I have made has been a great one so far...
You really are fond of yourself.
nah, I'm, very capable of admitting my faults... I just haven't made any yet in this draft, all of my picks have been solid...If you disagree I'd love to hear which of my picks you think were bad and why...
solid != greatYou've had some great picks, sure. But to say every one of your picks has been great is a huge stretch. And regardless, you're still tooting your own horn. So yes, I think you're fond of yourself.

 
So I take it Yankee isn't picking any time soon? :confused:

Going to go out for a few Sunday night BEvERageS. :banned: Will check back before I go to bed.

 
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Ozymandias said:
FUBAR said:
Mario Kart said:
Hitler affected the world perception but did his villain attributes affect the world on a massive level? Arguably, no.Stalin affected the world perception but did his villain attributes affect the world on a massive level? Arguably, no.Princip affected the world perception but did his villain attributes affect the world on a massive level? Without a doubt, yes.
Nice sig material. You're out in left field there Mario.
Yes, but they found a copy of Sun Tzu in Princip's back pocket.
:lmao:
 
I'm going to select an American poet, and we've just not taken enough Americans in this draft. He is highly regarded for his realistic depictions of rural life and his command of American colloquial speech. His work frequently employed themes from the early 1900s rural life in New England, using the setting to examine complex social and philosophical themes. A popular and often-quoted poet, he was honored frequently during his lifetime, receiving four Pulitzer Prizes for Poetry.

I select Robert Frost , the great American poet. Though his work is principally associated with the life and landscape of New England, and though he was a poet of traditional verse forms and metrics who remained steadfastly aloof from the poetic movements and fashions of his time, Frost is anything but a merely regional or minor poet. The author of searching and often dark meditations on universal themes, he is a quintessentially modern poet in his adherence to language as it is actually spoken, in the psychological complexity of his portraits, and in the degree to which his work is infused with layers of ambiguity and irony.

In a 1970 review of The Poetry of Robert Frost, the poet Daniel Hoffman describes Frost's early work as "the Puritan ethic turned astonishingly lyrical and enabled to say out loud the sources of its own delight in the world," and comments on Frost's career as The American Bard: "He became a national celebrity, our nearly official Poet Laureate, and a great performer in the tradition of that earlier master of the literary vernacular, Mark Twain."

About Frost, President John F. Kennedy said, "He has bequeathed his nation a body of imperishable verse from which Americans will forever gain joy and understanding."

 
And since it's taken a few pages in the draft, Princip isn't in his best category as a villain. I think he rates higher in the rebel category.

 

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