Ozymandias
Footballguy
Nah, we'll get it done by the end of the year.Who is on the clock?
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World's Greatest Draft (3 Viewers)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Which year is that?
Ozymandias
Footballguy
The Mayans said 2012.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Seems about right.
Thorn
Footballguy
I think this is where we're at:Round Fifteen
1. Mario Kart Henry Durant
2. Larry Boy 44 Cao Cao
3. Arsenal of Doom Phidias
4. FUBAR Soren Kierkegaard
5. Acer FC Led Zeppelin
6. Yankee23 Fan Blaise Pascal
7. Thorn Wayne Gretzky
8. DC Thunder Jules Verne
9. Doug B - auto skip
10. Mad Sweeney - is up
11. Big Rocks - is on deck
12. higgins - is in the hole
13. John Madden's Lunchbox
14. Usual21
15. thatguy
16. Andy Dufresne
17. Herbert The Hippo
18. Bobbylayne
19. Mister CIA
20. Abrantes
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
FFS I though Doug B was on autoskip or did he take himself off of it?
Would like to make my 15th rounder today at some stage
Would like to make my 15th rounder today at some stage
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
I had my college art professor call me a Philistine, in front of the entire class, because I dared to disagree with him on some "artist's" throwing of paint onto a canvas.Good times.
The Draft Robot
Footballguy
Have to disagree here. Gretzky was great but I have to go with Bobby Orr as the greatest hockey player of all time. NO ONE in the history of the sport dominated on BOTH offense and defense like Orr did..........P.S. I am writing this for Herbert The Hippo.......
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Thorn
Footballguy
Did.Herbert.Get.A.Timeout.And.If.So.For.How.Long.
HERBERT THE HIPPO
REAL Ultimate Power
No, just too lazy to delete and write it again.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Is anyone going to pick?
AcerFC
Footballguy
Sure, but I am up in like 30 picks. If you make an exception I will pick the rest of my team now and then if no one wants anyone I take then I keep them
Thorn
Footballguy
If I understand the clock rules, mad sweeney is OTC until 11am ET. Either that or everyone is still reeling from my Gretzky pick.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Does the clock not start until 10:00am EST?This is getting easier and easier for Tim to update when he only has to do about 4 picks a day.
By the way didn’t he used to post in this thread?
If I have this straight
Mad Sweeney will time out at 11:00 EST
Big Rocks will time out at 12:00 EST
Higgins will time out at 1:00pm EST
I get to pick at 1:00pm then?
Cool. I’ll be back then.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Better make it then, cause his clock has expired and big Rocks can pick (or wait his hour too)
flysack
Footballguy
Swooped in with 1 minute to spare!
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Sorry to take my whole hour with a proxy guys. I should've PMed it to more than just Flysack. Thanks for getting my pick in in the nick FS!! It was a rush jon last night and I had to sleep in today to offset my sleep schedule in order to work until 3ish tonight. Network TV is really fun...
I don't have much to say about Rousseau because I have little depth in philosophy. I was hoping for one of those "better than mine" writeups from Flysack as part of my PMing strategy. He's liked a lot of my picks so far so maybe he can help me out here even more than he already has.
I know that Rousseau has a lot of crossover into the literary world especially with the use of first person (which I dislike greatly so a book has to be extra good), was Freudian before Freud, and was very influential to the French Revolution. I believe he's a great value pick here.
15.10 Jean-Jacques Rousseau Philosopher
I don't have much to say about Rousseau because I have little depth in philosophy. I was hoping for one of those "better than mine" writeups from Flysack as part of my PMing strategy. He's liked a lot of my picks so far so maybe he can help me out here even more than he already has.
I know that Rousseau has a lot of crossover into the literary world especially with the use of first person (which I dislike greatly so a book has to be extra good), was Freudian before Freud, and was very influential to the French Revolution. I believe he's a great value pick here.
15.10 Jean-Jacques Rousseau Philosopher
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Tim, please swap Vasco da Gama to Explorer and Cousteau to Wildcard.
timschochet
Footballguy
Hey guys, I know I haven't been around much in the last couple days, but what's with the sudden slowdown in picks? We were moving at a pretty good pace here before.
Rosseau is a great pick, although I would have thought he would be taken as an intellectual. He is the exact type of guy I established the intellectual category for, because his concern was less with the larger matter of human existence, and more specifically with how we govern. Rosseau is easily as influential to human society as Locke and Adam Smith, both of whom were taken much earlier in this draft.
Rosseau is a great pick, although I would have thought he would be taken as an intellectual. He is the exact type of guy I established the intellectual category for, because his concern was less with the larger matter of human existence, and more specifically with how we govern. Rosseau is easily as influential to human society as Locke and Adam Smith, both of whom were taken much earlier in this draft.
Thorn
Footballguy
I think if people can get (back in) the habit of sending a PM to the next drafter, that would help a lot.
dparker713
Footballguy
Gretzky is one of the greatest PKers of all time. And the difference between Gretzky's and Orr's defense is no where near as large as the difference between Gretzky's and Orr's offense. 50 goals, 39 games.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Simon Weisentahl made a huge contribution to humanity. As did many other people in medicine, law, science, etc. But whether this makes him a great humanitarian, is debatable, because he is so only indirectly. He brought the sword of justice to many of the murderers of the Holocaust. And in the sense, that those who were surviving victims were given some solace that their oppressors did not escape unscathed, he brought them justice. But it still leaves a question in my mind if he qualifies as a humanitarian.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Picks like William Wallace and Oliver Cromwell are fine for us with our British heritage. But is anyone from Thailland or Guatamala really affected by these guys? I think that, unfortunately, these sorts of picks have to be downgraded below those who clearly had more global influence.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Some will laugh, some may sneer, but this guy is one of the greatest sportsman of all time.
To dominate a sport such as Gretzky is one thing, to absolutely annihilate your nearest competitor stats wise is another.
He was dominant than Pele was at Soccer
He was more dominant than Gretzky at Hockey
He was more dominant than XXXX at Basketball
And more dominant than any Baseballer, Footballer or almost any other sportsman you care to name.
Think the Olympics 100m and the margin of victory between 1st and 2nd is 40 yards
Think of a Baseballer with a career batting average of 0.400
Think of a Basketballer averaging 45 points a game for his career.
This man is not only Australia’s greatest ever sportsman, he Australia’s greatest ever person
After the Second World War he came back at the age of 38 to play for his country and although he had clearly lost some ability he was still dominant over all others who faced him.
If he hadn't lost 7 years of the prime of his career to the Second World War his final figures could have been even more frightening.
Sir Donald Bradman - Athlete
To dominate a sport such as Gretzky is one thing, to absolutely annihilate your nearest competitor stats wise is another.
He was dominant than Pele was at Soccer
He was more dominant than Gretzky at Hockey
He was more dominant than XXXX at Basketball
And more dominant than any Baseballer, Footballer or almost any other sportsman you care to name.
Think the Olympics 100m and the margin of victory between 1st and 2nd is 40 yards
Think of a Baseballer with a career batting average of 0.400
Think of a Basketballer averaging 45 points a game for his career.
This man is not only Australia’s greatest ever sportsman, he Australia’s greatest ever person
After the Second World War he came back at the age of 38 to play for his country and although he had clearly lost some ability he was still dominant over all others who faced him.
If he hadn't lost 7 years of the prime of his career to the Second World War his final figures could have been even more frightening.
Sir Donald Bradman - Athlete
How the Don compares staistically with other cricketers
How Bradmans dominance reflects against other sportsmen
Flame away
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The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Great pick. I dropped that name to someone a while back as a guy who deserved to be picked. Cricket is very popular worldwide and his dominance in it makes him a fine choice.
krista4
Footballguy
I think it's an excellent pick. Then again, I like cricket. :(
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Just curious, how does an American get into cricket really? It gets no publicity here, is not televised, etc. I am guessing you saw it played while out of the country somewhere and liked it?
Ozymandias
Footballguy
I think Don Bradman is a great pick. He is probably the only man who made cricket faster than growing grass, or watching paint dry. And the way he would drive a googly to silly mid-off was masterful. No one ever did it better.
krista4
Footballguy
Oh, it's much worse than all that. I got into it by watching this movie. Have followed it since then.Just curious, how does an American get into cricket really? It gets no publicity here, is not televised, etc. I am guessing you saw it played while out of the country somewhere and liked it?I think it's an excellent pick. Then again, I like cricket.
the moops
Footballguy
It is always on the television at a local Indian restaurant I go to. I find it fascinating to watch.Just curious, how does an American get into cricket really? It gets no publicity here, is not televised, etc. I am guessing you saw it played while out of the country somewhere and liked it?I think it's an excellent pick. Then again, I like cricket.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
There's probably a good reason why we're not going 25 rounds. That WOULD take until 2012.
Usual21
Footballguy
15.14 - Jeremy Bentham - Philosopher
Jeremy Bentham (15 February 1748–6 June 1832) was an English jurist, philosopher, and legal and social reformer. He was the brother of ******. He was a political radical, and a leading theorist in Anglo-American philosophy of law. He is best known for his advocacy of utilitarianism, for the concept of animal rights, and his opposition to the idea of natural rights, with his oft-quoted statement that the idea of such rights is "nonsense upon stilts." He also influenced the development of welfarism. He is probably best known in popular society as the originator of the concept of the panopticon.
He became known as one of the most influential of the utilitarians, through his own work and that of his students. These included his secretary and collaborator on the utilitarian school of philosophy, ******; ****'s son *******; and several political leaders including ******, who later became a founder of socialism. He is also considered the godfather of University College London.
Bentham's position included arguments in favour of individual and economic freedom, the separation of church and state, freedom of expression, equal rights for women, the end of slavery, the abolition of physical punishment (including that of children), the right to divorce, free trade, usury and the decriminalization of homosexual acts. He also made two distinct attempts during his life to critique the death penalty.
Jeremy Bentham (15 February 1748–6 June 1832) was an English jurist, philosopher, and legal and social reformer. He was the brother of ******. He was a political radical, and a leading theorist in Anglo-American philosophy of law. He is best known for his advocacy of utilitarianism, for the concept of animal rights, and his opposition to the idea of natural rights, with his oft-quoted statement that the idea of such rights is "nonsense upon stilts." He also influenced the development of welfarism. He is probably best known in popular society as the originator of the concept of the panopticon.
He became known as one of the most influential of the utilitarians, through his own work and that of his students. These included his secretary and collaborator on the utilitarian school of philosophy, ******; ****'s son *******; and several political leaders including ******, who later became a founder of socialism. He is also considered the godfather of University College London.
Bentham's position included arguments in favour of individual and economic freedom, the separation of church and state, freedom of expression, equal rights for women, the end of slavery, the abolition of physical punishment (including that of children), the right to divorce, free trade, usury and the decriminalization of homosexual acts. He also made two distinct attempts during his life to critique the death penalty.
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Thorn
Footballguy
And yes, you're up.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Go ahead and skip me. I'll be back after lunch.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Ozy - check your PMs please. Want to switch around what I sent you earlier. TIA.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
What are you, the Energizer Bunny? How the heck are you posting from 35000 ft over the Atlantic?
thatguy
Footballguy
With all this controversy over celebrity, it it with great hesitation that I finally select mine. However, I think this woman fits whatever criteria our judges our liable to set forth when judging the category, whether it be fame during one's lifetime, or fame achieved posthumously. One thing is for certain, this woman's legacy is still remembered and celebrated to this day, and will likely continue to be celebrated far into the future.
Eva Perón (Evita) - Celebrity
María Eva Duarte de Perón (7 May 1919 – 26 July 1952) was the second wife of President #### (1895–1974) and served as the First Lady of Argentina from 1946 until her death in 1952. She is often referred to as simply Eva Perón, or by the affectionate Spanish language diminutive Evita, which literally translates into English as "Little Eva".
She was born out of wedlock in rural Argentina in 1919. In 1934, at the age of 15, she made her way to the nation's capital of Buenos Aires, where she pursued a career as a stage, radio, and film actress. Eva met #### in 1944 at a charity event in San Juan, and the two were married the following year. In 1946, Juan Perón was elected President of Argentina. Over the course of the next six years, Eva Perón became powerful within the Pro-Peronist trade unions, essentially for speaking on behalf of labor rights. She also ran the Ministries of Labor and Health, founded and ran the charitable Eva Perón Foundation, championed women's suffrage in Argentina, and founded and ran the nation's first large-scale female political party, the Female Peronist Party.
In 1951, Eva Perón accepted the Peronist nomination for the office of Vice President of Argentina. In this bid, she received great support from the Peronist political base, low-income and working class Argentines who were referred to as descamisados or "shirtless ones". However, opposition from the nation's military and elite, coupled with her declining health, ultimately forced her to withdraw her candidacy. In 1952 shortly before her death from cancer at the age of 33, Eva Perón was given the official title of "Spiritual Leader of the Nation" by the Argentine Congress.
Eva Perón has become a part of international popular culture , most famously as the subject of the musical Evita. Christina Alvarez Rodriguez claims that Eva has never left the collective conscience of Argentines. Cristina Fernandez, the first female elected President of Argentina, claims that women of her generation owe a debt to Eva for "her example of passion and combativeness".
Re-election and Spiritual Leader of the Nation
On 4 June 1952, Evita rode with #### in parade through Buenos Aires in celebration of his re-election as President of Argentina. (This was the first election in which Argentine women had been allowed to vote. Evita had organized women voters into the first truly powerful female political party in the country's history.) Evita was by this point so ill that she was unable to stand without support. Underneath her oversized fur coat was a frame made of plaster and wire that allowed her to stand. She took a triple dose of pain medication before the parade, and took another two doses when she returned home.
In an official ceremony a few days after Juan Perón's second inauguration, Evita was given the official title of "Spiritual Leader of the Nation".
Death
Despite having undergone a hysterectomy by the American surgeon ####, Evita's cancer returned rapidly. She developed lung metastasis and was the first Argentine to undergo chemotherapy (a novel treatment at that time). Despite all available treatment, she became emaciated, weighing only 36 kg (about 79 lb.) by June 1952. Evita died at the age of 33, at 8:25 p.m. on 26 July 1952. The news was immediately broadcast throughout the country, and Argentina went into mourning: all activity in Argentina stopped: movies stopped playing, restaurants were closed and patrons were shown to the door. A radio broadcast interrupted the broadcasting schedule, with the announcer reading, "It is my sad duty to inform you that today at 8:25 p.m. Eva Perón, Spiritual Leader of the Nation, entered immortality". Eva Perón was granted an official state funeral.
Mourning
Upon Eva Perón's death, the government suspended all official activities for two days, with all flags being flown at half-mast for ten days. It soon became apparent, however, that these measures fell short of reflecting popular grief. The crowd outside of the official presidential residence had grown dense, congesting the streets for ten blocks in each direction. Later, while Evita's body was being moved, eight people were crushed to death in the throngs. In the following 24 hours, over 2000 people would be treated in city hospitals for injuries sustained in the rush to be near Evita as her body was being transported from the presidential residence to the Ministry of Labour building. The streets of Buenos Aires overflowed with flowers that were stacked in huge piles, and within one day of Evita's death, all flower shops in Buenos Aires had run out of flowers. Despite the fact that Eva Perón never held an official political office, she was eventually given an official funeral usually reserved for a head of state.
International popular culture
By the late 20th century, Eva Perón had become the subject of numerous articles, books, stage plays, and musicals, ranging from the biography The Woman with the Whip to a 1981 TV movie called "Evita Peron" with Faye Dunaway in the title role. The most successful rendering of Eva Perón's life has been the musical production Evita. The musical began as a concept album co-produced by #### and Andrew ####, with #### in the title role. ####would later be cast in the title role when the concept album was adapted into a musical stage production in London's West End. In 1980, #### won the Tony Award for Best Leading Actress in a Musical for her performance as the title character. #### claims that to date "the musical stage production has been performed on every continent except Antarctica and has generated over $2 billion in revenue".
As early as 1978, the musical was considered as the basis for a movie. After a nearly 20-year production delay, Madonna was cast in the title role for the film version and won the Golden Globe Award for "Best Actress in a Musical or Comedy". In response to the American film, and in an alleged attempt to offer a more politically accurate depiction of Evita's life, an Argentine film company released Eva Perón: The True Story. The Argentine production starred actress Esther Goris in the title role. This movie was the 1996 Argentine submission for the Oscar in the category of "Best Foreign Film".
#### writes that Evita is the perfect popular culture icon for our times because her career foreshadowed what, by the late 20th century, had become common. During Evita's time it was considered scandalous for a former entertainer to take part in public political life. Her detractors in Argentina had often accused Evita of turning public political life into show business. But by the late 20th century, #### claims, the public had become engrossed in the cult of celebrity and public political life had become insignificant. In this regard, Evita was perhaps ahead of her time. #### also writes that Evita's story is appealing to our celebrity-obsessed age because her story confirms one of Hollywood's oldest clichés, the rags to riches story. Reflecting on Eva Perón's popularity more than half a century after her death, ####writes that, "Evita's life has evidently just begun."
Eva Perón (Evita) - Celebrity
María Eva Duarte de Perón (7 May 1919 – 26 July 1952) was the second wife of President #### (1895–1974) and served as the First Lady of Argentina from 1946 until her death in 1952. She is often referred to as simply Eva Perón, or by the affectionate Spanish language diminutive Evita, which literally translates into English as "Little Eva".
She was born out of wedlock in rural Argentina in 1919. In 1934, at the age of 15, she made her way to the nation's capital of Buenos Aires, where she pursued a career as a stage, radio, and film actress. Eva met #### in 1944 at a charity event in San Juan, and the two were married the following year. In 1946, Juan Perón was elected President of Argentina. Over the course of the next six years, Eva Perón became powerful within the Pro-Peronist trade unions, essentially for speaking on behalf of labor rights. She also ran the Ministries of Labor and Health, founded and ran the charitable Eva Perón Foundation, championed women's suffrage in Argentina, and founded and ran the nation's first large-scale female political party, the Female Peronist Party.
In 1951, Eva Perón accepted the Peronist nomination for the office of Vice President of Argentina. In this bid, she received great support from the Peronist political base, low-income and working class Argentines who were referred to as descamisados or "shirtless ones". However, opposition from the nation's military and elite, coupled with her declining health, ultimately forced her to withdraw her candidacy. In 1952 shortly before her death from cancer at the age of 33, Eva Perón was given the official title of "Spiritual Leader of the Nation" by the Argentine Congress.
Eva Perón has become a part of international popular culture , most famously as the subject of the musical Evita. Christina Alvarez Rodriguez claims that Eva has never left the collective conscience of Argentines. Cristina Fernandez, the first female elected President of Argentina, claims that women of her generation owe a debt to Eva for "her example of passion and combativeness".
Re-election and Spiritual Leader of the Nation
On 4 June 1952, Evita rode with #### in parade through Buenos Aires in celebration of his re-election as President of Argentina. (This was the first election in which Argentine women had been allowed to vote. Evita had organized women voters into the first truly powerful female political party in the country's history.) Evita was by this point so ill that she was unable to stand without support. Underneath her oversized fur coat was a frame made of plaster and wire that allowed her to stand. She took a triple dose of pain medication before the parade, and took another two doses when she returned home.
In an official ceremony a few days after Juan Perón's second inauguration, Evita was given the official title of "Spiritual Leader of the Nation".
Death
Despite having undergone a hysterectomy by the American surgeon ####, Evita's cancer returned rapidly. She developed lung metastasis and was the first Argentine to undergo chemotherapy (a novel treatment at that time). Despite all available treatment, she became emaciated, weighing only 36 kg (about 79 lb.) by June 1952. Evita died at the age of 33, at 8:25 p.m. on 26 July 1952. The news was immediately broadcast throughout the country, and Argentina went into mourning: all activity in Argentina stopped: movies stopped playing, restaurants were closed and patrons were shown to the door. A radio broadcast interrupted the broadcasting schedule, with the announcer reading, "It is my sad duty to inform you that today at 8:25 p.m. Eva Perón, Spiritual Leader of the Nation, entered immortality". Eva Perón was granted an official state funeral.
Mourning
Upon Eva Perón's death, the government suspended all official activities for two days, with all flags being flown at half-mast for ten days. It soon became apparent, however, that these measures fell short of reflecting popular grief. The crowd outside of the official presidential residence had grown dense, congesting the streets for ten blocks in each direction. Later, while Evita's body was being moved, eight people were crushed to death in the throngs. In the following 24 hours, over 2000 people would be treated in city hospitals for injuries sustained in the rush to be near Evita as her body was being transported from the presidential residence to the Ministry of Labour building. The streets of Buenos Aires overflowed with flowers that were stacked in huge piles, and within one day of Evita's death, all flower shops in Buenos Aires had run out of flowers. Despite the fact that Eva Perón never held an official political office, she was eventually given an official funeral usually reserved for a head of state.
International popular culture
By the late 20th century, Eva Perón had become the subject of numerous articles, books, stage plays, and musicals, ranging from the biography The Woman with the Whip to a 1981 TV movie called "Evita Peron" with Faye Dunaway in the title role. The most successful rendering of Eva Perón's life has been the musical production Evita. The musical began as a concept album co-produced by #### and Andrew ####, with #### in the title role. ####would later be cast in the title role when the concept album was adapted into a musical stage production in London's West End. In 1980, #### won the Tony Award for Best Leading Actress in a Musical for her performance as the title character. #### claims that to date "the musical stage production has been performed on every continent except Antarctica and has generated over $2 billion in revenue".
As early as 1978, the musical was considered as the basis for a movie. After a nearly 20-year production delay, Madonna was cast in the title role for the film version and won the Golden Globe Award for "Best Actress in a Musical or Comedy". In response to the American film, and in an alleged attempt to offer a more politically accurate depiction of Evita's life, an Argentine film company released Eva Perón: The True Story. The Argentine production starred actress Esther Goris in the title role. This movie was the 1996 Argentine submission for the Oscar in the category of "Best Foreign Film".
#### writes that Evita is the perfect popular culture icon for our times because her career foreshadowed what, by the late 20th century, had become common. During Evita's time it was considered scandalous for a former entertainer to take part in public political life. Her detractors in Argentina had often accused Evita of turning public political life into show business. But by the late 20th century, #### claims, the public had become engrossed in the cult of celebrity and public political life had become insignificant. In this regard, Evita was perhaps ahead of her time. #### also writes that Evita's story is appealing to our celebrity-obsessed age because her story confirms one of Hollywood's oldest clichés, the rags to riches story. Reflecting on Eva Perón's popularity more than half a century after her death, ####writes that, "Evita's life has evidently just begun."
BobbyLayne
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