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Escobar is sitting between Maradona and me as he cuts monster rails for the three of us.In putting my team together, I'm imagining what it would be like to sit down for a meal with these folks.Bergman and Proust are going on the other end of table, next to each other.
Proust Your films are only a few hours long. My novels are thousands of pages.Bergman Yes, but my films seem as long as your novels.
Escobar is sitting between Maradona and me as he cuts monster rails for the three of us.In putting my team together, I'm imagining what it would be like to sit down for a meal with these folks.Bergman and Proust are going on the other end of table, next to each other.
Mohammad sitting next to Pope John Paul II, with Santa Claus battling Pavarotti for the last turkey leg... it has potential.
WE'VE LANDED ON THE MOON!The sun will rise in the east tomorrow.
Luther and Calvin probably have better arguments for influence since they were at the start of the reformation, Wesley was at the end...but I like Wesley's theology better...Wesley > Calvin & Luther
That's the problem with your argument though. You readily admit that both Calvin and Luther were more influential, yet you put Wesley above them because you don't like their ideologies. There are many cases where personal preference will lead to me to like or pull for an interior person, but I can still realize and admit that said person is inferior.Luther and Calvin probably have better arguments for influence since they were at the start of the reformation, Wesley was at the end...but I like Wesley's theology better...Wesley > Calvin & Luther
actually in this sense I'd probably rank Calvin and Luther ahead of Wesley...My comment was merely a statement that I like Wesley much more than either of the other two...That's the problem with your argument though. You readily admit that both Calvin and Luther were more influential, yet you put Wesley above them because you don't like their ideologies. There are many cases where personal preference will lead to me to like or pull for an interior person, but I can still realize and admit that said person is inferior.Luther and Calvin probably have better arguments for influence since they were at the start of the reformation, Wesley was at the end...but I like Wesley's theology better...Wesley > Calvin & Luther
although, to argue the contrary to popular opinion opinion... Wesley doesn't seem to have the big negatives like Luther and Calvin do (of course Wesley didn't have to build an army to stop the Catholic Church from re-converting those areas by force either... but still)
I was never trying to win this thing. I'm a draft junkie and needed a fix. But these drafts are way too serious (NTTAWWT). I need Karma Police to launch the next Movie draft already. Or maybe I'll start a Cartoon Character draft...
Actually your team is one of the best, with all sorts of interesting characters.
Word. I'm pickin' up what you're puttin' down now Larry.actually in this sense I'd probably rank Calvin and Luther ahead of Wesley...My comment was merely a statement that I like Wesley much more than either of the other two...That's the problem with your argument though. You readily admit that both Calvin and Luther were more influential, yet you put Wesley above them because you don't like their ideologies. There are many cases where personal preference will lead to me to like or pull for an interior person, but I can still realize and admit that said person is inferior.Luther and Calvin probably have better arguments for influence since they were at the start of the reformation, Wesley was at the end...but I like Wesley's theology better...Wesley > Calvin & Luther
What about my team, you like it?
As I stated from the get go, my intention has never been to win this thing, unlike in the GAD. But rather to pick guys that I either respected greatly or found interesting. I haven't veered from that yet to the best of my knowledge and I'm loving my team even more than my GAD team.
Greatest American Draft was my first; that was a lot of fun.This one is starting to drag - I think back-to-back for more than half the drafters (more if you include judges who are drafting or drafters who are judging).Def need a break when this is done.
Agreed. I'm definitely not having as much fun in this one. The discussion in general was just so good in the GAD, it's hard to live up to. That said, I just like the diversity of my team a lot more in this draft. And I'm still learning a ####ton about history.
I like your team a lot.And before other people start posting, I like ALL your teams a lot.What about my team, you like it?
I'm telling you, "Greatest Fictional Character" draft...any person who has a story of spurious factual basis or who is completely made up (read: religious figures, mythical characters, movies, books, alter egos, etc.)... anyone who's story is either 100% fictional or who is likely fictional to a point...and we have similar categories to this draft (with a few taken out and a few added (and a few extra villain categories 'cuz fictional villains are awesome)
I would do this only without the religious characters at all - I'm tired of that roller coaster.
I'm definitely in for the Fictional Character Draft. I was actually hoping we'd do that one before the WGD.Let's start planning it.
I like it except I'm going to stay out if religious figures are included. I'm just not going to head down this road again and won't be involved in a fictional character draft where someone will draft Jesus.
I'd be ok with that, too...we'd just have to state that, no matter how fictional you might think they are, religious figures can't be picked...
It's easy - basically the same categories as these two drafts. I would argue that the character should at least be as close to "human" as possible as well. Frankly, the draft would lose something to me if we could select an Autobot or something like that. There have been enough legends, movies, stories and whatnot to fill these same categories will human like fictional people.Frankly, after the last conversation we had on that I put together a list in certain categories, and I have to say that the discussions I envision with some of the picks should be hysterical.
I guess the issue is this:if we take Jesus out... we have to take Zeus and Hercules and Jupiter and Thor (the Norse God, not the Marvel character) out, too...I think as long as we state beforehand that we mean no offense and make no statement to the actual factual basis of any of the picks lives or deeds who are picked in this draft, that we can make it work with them...but I would be ok with removing fictional characters (or I guess we could just remove figures from certain religions)
raises a good point. Are Greek Gods allowed but not Old Testament? IMO, no matter what happens, the New Testament has to be disallowed.
Forget that. Let me choose Snarf if I want to!Also, some categories would have to change. Maybe I'm not thinking broadly enough, but categories like painter, poet, artist, etc. will be lacking. Whereas a couple villain slots, cartoons, humor, fighting, "super-powers" or non-SP would be better ways to categorize some of these.
You should add certain genre specific categories as well ... Greatest Mystery Detective; Greatest Sci-fi Robot; Greatest Damsel in Distress (for all you closeted romance novel readers, yeah I'm talking about you Arseanal). Also, probably an 'Everyman' category, or Average Joe, or whatever you want to call him. A lot of great literature out there about with protagonists who were no one special.
Um, okay. :
I see you went searching for the one who wasn't spotlighted, because I did not give his name, Or, by not mentioning his name, did I spotlight him because he wasn't mentioned, and thus draw attention to him? If I had spotlighted him by name, would that have meant he wasn't spotlighted, because he was really one name amongst many? Did I give the name away by not giving the name?For anyone who's been following this thread the last couple of days, it should come as no surprise who I'm about to pick. Next to Pele this guy is probably the second most renowned soccer player on an international stage. He has scored two of the most famous goals in soccer history - the Hand of God Goal & The Goal of the Century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal_of_the_Century - in the same game. Yes, he was a coke head, but this only makes him human and does not take away from what he did on the field, and besides it's likely he was getting his yayo from my Villain, which is pretty cool. On an internet poll, he was voted the FIFA Player of the Century.... yes, ahead of Pele.
Diego Maradona - Athlete
Diego Armando Maradona (born 30 October 1960 in Lanús, Buenos Aires) is a former Argentine football player, and current coach of the Argentine national side. He came top in an internet vote for the FIFA Player of the Century award, and shared the award with Pelé.
Over the course of his professional club career Maradona played for Argentinos Juniors, Boca Juniors, FC Barcelona, and, most distinguishedly, Napoli. In his international career, playing for Argentina, he earned 91 caps and scored 34 goals. He played in four FIFA World Cup tournaments, including the 1986 World Cup where he captained Argentina and led them to their victory over West Germany in the final, winning the Golden Ball award as the tournament's best player. In that same tournament's quarter-final round he scored two remarkable goals in a 2-1 victory over England which instantly cemented his fame. The first goal was an unpenalized handball known as the "Hand of God", while the second goal was a spectacular 60-metre weave through six England players, commonly referred to as "The Goal of the Century".
For various reasons, Maradona is considered one of the sport's most controversial and newsworthy figures. He was suspended from football for 15 months in 1991 after failing a doping test for cocaine in Italy, and he was sent home from the 1994 World Cup in the USA for using ephedrine.
After retiring from playing on his 37th birthday in 1997, he increasingly suffered ill health and weight gain, hardly helped by ongoing cocaine abuse. In 2005 a stomach stapling operation helped control his weight gain. After overcoming his cocaine addiction, he became a popular TV host in Argentina.
Although he had little previous managerial experience, he became head coach of the Argentina national football team in November 2008.
Diego Armando Maradona won the 1986 World Cup almost single-handedly and took Argentina to the final four years later. He also took unfancied Napoli to its only two Italian titles. Maradona was controversially voted best player of all time in an internet poll held by FIFA, much to the chagrin of Pelé and his fans, who contended that an internet poll was bound to attract relatively young voters. People that would have seen Maradona play, but not Pelé.
Truth be told, the title of greatest ever player was probably a bit too much credit. However, no one would surely deny Maradona was the best ever dribbler of the bal. He proved as much, when he scored what was arguably the greatest ever World Cup goal in 1986. Maradona picked up the ball on the halfway line and promptly proceeded to leave half the England team for dead before slotting the ball into the net.
I have an interview for a better job than my current one, but which is essentially the same thing, only more of it. Also massive job security. Also more money. Also they seem willing to throw a couple of Colombian hookers into the deal as a signing bonus. No word on my request for mounds of cocaine. I estimate my chances at 33%, though you never know with these things.
I'd make the above changes, corresponding with OC's recomendations, although I can see dropping robot in exchange for another WC slot.
You've done a great job IMO. Honestly, how much time have you put in here? I might be willing to run the fictional draft, but I can't guarantee I'll be around every day.
exactly how many fictional writers, musicians, and statesmen/leaders are there you think?I think 1 statesmen/leaders category is fine... musicians and writers are unnecessary (and hard to fill)...also, if we're doing fiction, I really think that there needs to be multiple villain categories or multiple types of villains, as villainy is the best part of fiction!Also, we should definitely make some sort of definitive statement about what kind of fiction we can draft from...Movies?Literature?Comic Books?Video Games?Random non-deity Mythology?are fantasy and sci-fi going to be allowed?do we want to limit how many characters from one media that people can draft (i.e. make it so someone can't have a team entirely made up of video game characters of literary characters) or is that too confusing with all the crossovers into other media?
Yeah, it's all because of you. If you'd been following the draft, you'd have known he was on my list long before you started spotlighting the rest.Um, okay. :I see you went searching for the one who wasn't spotlighted, because I did not give his name, Or, by not mentioning his name, did I spotlight him because he wasn't mentioned, and thus draw attention to him? If I had spotlighted him by name, would that have meant he wasn't spotlighted, because he was really one name amongst many? Did I give the name away by not giving the name?For anyone who's been following this thread the last couple of days, it should come as no surprise who I'm about to pick. Next to Pele this guy is probably the second most renowned soccer player on an international stage. He has scored two of the most famous goals in soccer history - the Hand of God Goal & The Goal of the Century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal_of_the_Century - in the same game. Yes, he was a coke head, but this only makes him human and does not take away from what he did on the field, and besides it's likely he was getting his yayo from my Villain, which is pretty cool. On an internet poll, he was voted the FIFA Player of the Century.... yes, ahead of Pele.
Diego Maradona - Athlete
Diego Armando Maradona (born 30 October 1960 in Lanús, Buenos Aires) is a former Argentine football player, and current coach of the Argentine national side. He came top in an internet vote for the FIFA Player of the Century award, and shared the award with Pelé.
Over the course of his professional club career Maradona played for Argentinos Juniors, Boca Juniors, FC Barcelona, and, most distinguishedly, Napoli. In his international career, playing for Argentina, he earned 91 caps and scored 34 goals. He played in four FIFA World Cup tournaments, including the 1986 World Cup where he captained Argentina and led them to their victory over West Germany in the final, winning the Golden Ball award as the tournament's best player. In that same tournament's quarter-final round he scored two remarkable goals in a 2-1 victory over England which instantly cemented his fame. The first goal was an unpenalized handball known as the "Hand of God", while the second goal was a spectacular 60-metre weave through six England players, commonly referred to as "The Goal of the Century".
For various reasons, Maradona is considered one of the sport's most controversial and newsworthy figures. He was suspended from football for 15 months in 1991 after failing a doping test for cocaine in Italy, and he was sent home from the 1994 World Cup in the USA for using ephedrine.
After retiring from playing on his 37th birthday in 1997, he increasingly suffered ill health and weight gain, hardly helped by ongoing cocaine abuse. In 2005 a stomach stapling operation helped control his weight gain. After overcoming his cocaine addiction, he became a popular TV host in Argentina.
Although he had little previous managerial experience, he became head coach of the Argentina national football team in November 2008.
Diego Armando Maradona won the 1986 World Cup almost single-handedly and took Argentina to the final four years later. He also took unfancied Napoli to its only two Italian titles. Maradona was controversially voted best player of all time in an internet poll held by FIFA, much to the chagrin of Pelé and his fans, who contended that an internet poll was bound to attract relatively young voters. People that would have seen Maradona play, but not Pelé.
Truth be told, the title of greatest ever player was probably a bit too much credit. However, no one would surely deny Maradona was the best ever dribbler of the bal. He proved as much, when he scored what was arguably the greatest ever World Cup goal in 1986. Maradona picked up the ball on the halfway line and promptly proceeded to leave half the England team for dead before slotting the ball into the net.
I can think of several for the categories I listed. Lawyer could be another.My idea of what this draft would be is pseudo- real people, not video game characters. I know having Star Trek and Star Wars allowed would create minor problems there, but to me the fun of the draft would be selecting characters that are more real, if that makes sense.Without spotlighting, to me, drafting James Kirk or even Captain Queeg is far more entertaining then drafting Spiderman or Doc Oc. Although, with recent movie history those particular characters have more a realism to them now.I don't know if I can explain it right, or if everyone would agree with me. But that draft would be more fun, to me, if the draft pool had characters like Indiana Jones and Matlock instead of Jupiter or the guy from GTA III
I understand where you are coming from and agree to a point... I'm just not sure how we can possibly make the rules in a way where we keep those kinds of characters out of the draft...We can't say "movie/literature/tv show" characters only... because X-Men, Spiderman, Superman, Hercules/Xena, etc...so we have to create a middle ground where we allow those more out there characters, but yet keep ourselves from being overrun by them...I mean, you say you don't want Jupiter or Mario or Spiderman... but what about Gandalf or Starbuck (new version) or the Tin Man?I'm open to any sort of distinction we make, and any kind of limitations put upon drafting too heavily from one medium as long as they make sense and are evenly applied...BTW I think a draft that has Matlock, Spiderman, Mario, Captain Kirk, Gandalf, and Scrooge is the GREATEST draft ever and it won't even be close... and I think part of what makes it so awesome is the simple fact that we all are going to have such different ideas of who is the greatest...
