Worst Drafting Teams of the Decade? (1 Viewer)

[Bob Magaw]

i nominate the rams... i guess with the lions record in recent years, they might show up high on a list like this... any other teams come to mind (OAK, etc)?

below is by a poster at a rams homer site i frequent...

the commentary can be skipped, though it is kind of funny (if redundant... understandably says UGH! a lot ), in a painful kind of way...

this decade long list just goes 5 rounds deep (but not a lot of late round gems in this span - amazing they had london fletcher and let him get away... and he was a UFA!!)...

i shudder when i look at the sheer, utter carnage after the remains of some of these drafts... very few of these players are still on the roster (many of the rest are backup caliber, if they are even in the league)... ironically, and a sign of more bungled front office management compounding and adding insult to injury to the heinous draft record... a few of the rare competent picks, like pickett and chillar, were allowed to leave (to GB)...

i would say thanks for the memories (detritus doesn't roll off the tongue as well) to zygmunt/shaw & martz/linehan, but much of this was too traumatic, and blacked out...

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I'm only going 5 rounds deep with my true feelings at the time of the selections.... I'm a draft junkie every year since I was a young lad.

2009

1 Jason Smith Baylor.......... ....I was not super mad but I wanted Sanchez or Crabtree way more!

2 James Laurinaitis Ohio State.. I was very happy with the selection! Finally the Jacoby Shepard trend was broken!!!

3 Bradley Fletcher Iowa............ I was not happy with the pick because I thought he was a reach at the time.

4 Dorell Scott Clemson............. I was fine with the pick after reading his bio.

5 Brooks Foster North Carolina... Injury prone WR a head scratcher for me? Still dont like the pick when we had WR injury issues going into the draft???.

2008

1 Chris Long Virginia.......... I will admit he was my first choice I can't lie. Matt Ryan was my 2nd choice ughhh!

2 Donnie Avery Houston..... I was pretty mad at the time. I thought he was a reach, though he had a decent rookie year. Another 2nd round reach by the Rams.

3 John Greco Toledo...........I was ok with the pick. He has shown me nothing for a 3rd rounder. After I read about him more I was happy. ooops wrong again.

4 Justin King Penn State ... I was very happy with the pick thought he was going to be a steal. I was very wrong ughhh!

4 Keenan Burton Kentucky. I thought he was going to be a steal if he could stay healthy. Burton is much slower than I predicted.

5 Roy Schuening Oregon State.. I liked the choice thinking he would develope into a starter in 2 years based on his bio.. wrong again!

2007

1 Adam Carriker Nebraska...... I was happy with the pick because we got Ty Hill the year before so CB D.Revis was not a need for me at the time.

2 Brian Leonard Rutgers.......... I thought another 2nd round reach by the Rams ughhh! Thoughts of Jacoby Shepard danced in my head.

3 Jonathan Wade Tennessee... I was so freaking upset after the Leonard reach that they followed up with a college track star WR/converted DB ughhh!

5 Dustin Fry Clemson.............. I was disgusted with this whole draft I called in sick on Monday..

5 Clifton Ryan Michigan State... I didnt have any feelings about Ryan was a pathetic draft in my mind at the time even though he's shown some flashes.

2006

1 Tye Hill Clemson................. I was very angry and wanted CUTLER!

2 Joe Klopfenstein Colorado.... I thought OMG another 2nd round blunder Jacoby Shepard pick..

3 Claude Wroten Louisiana State... I thought he had upside so I didnt throw a fit but I dont like boom/bust upside picks in the 3rd round.

3 Jon Alston Stanford.................. I never liked the pick I thought he was a reach. A LB from Stanford ughhh!

3 Dominique Byrd USC............... I dont like drafting TE's in the 3rd round so I was not at all excited.

4 Victor Adeyanju Indiana........... I was ok with the pick after reading his bio.

5 Marques Hagans Virginia ........ I never heard of him so I was not happy once again.

2005

1 Alex Barron Florida State........ I thought we needed an OT very bad so I was happy with the pick..

2 Ronald Bartell Howard............ I thought another Jacoby Shepard 2nd round reach!

3 Oshiomogho Atogwe Stanford. I lived in California at the time so I knew about OJ and was happy with the pick.

3 Richie Incognito Nebraska..... I was happy with the pick even though he had charactor issues with bar fights.

4 Jerome Carter Florida State... I was very upset with the pick.

4 Claude Terrell New Mexico.... I was ok with the pick after reading his bio..

5 Jerome Collins Notre Dame... I did not like the pick at all.

2004

1 Steven Jackson Oregon State... I loved the pick because I saw him play at Oregon St and knew Faulk had lots of miles.

3 Tony Hargrove Georgia Tech.... I did not like the pick because he was considered a project with upside. I dont like boom/bust upside picks with 3rd rounders.

4 Brandon Chillar UCLA............ I was ok with the pick never got excited.

5 Jason Shivers Arizona State... I didnt like the pick and thought after Jackson the draft was a bust.

2003

1 Jimmy Kennedy Penn State... I was upset when Seattle took Marcus Trufant but I will admit he was my second choice after Trufant was gone.

2 Pisa Tinoisamoa Hawaii......... I was confused about the pick but not upset.

3 Kevin Curtis Utah State.......... I liked the pick even though he was not on my radar at the time.

4 Shaun McDonald Arizona State.. I did not like the pick thought he was a reach.

4 DeJuan Groce Nebraska......... I did not like the pick.

5 Dan Curley Eastern Washington.. Did not like the pick.

5 Shane Walton Notre Dame......... Did not like the pick.

5 Kevin Garrett Southern Methodist..I was ok with the pick but just ok with it.

2002

1 Robert Thomas UCLA..........I was mad at the pick.. I wanted WR Josh Reed or DE Kalimba Edwards at the time. Just being honest.

2 Travis Fisher Central Florida.. I was throwing a fit! I thought Jacoby Shepard all over again ughhh!

3 Lamar Gordon North Dakota State.. I didnt like the pick.. Thought he was a huge reach for the 3rd round.

3 Eric Crouch Nebraska....... A stupid lame @#$%& me off pick!

4 Travis Scott Arizona State... After Crouch was selected I knew this draft was going to be a bust!

5 Courtland Bullard Ohio State... Another horrible pick for me.

2001

1 Damione Lewis Miami (FL)..... I wanted DT Marcus Stroud but I was not upset with the pick because he was my 2nd choice.

1 Adam Archuleta Arizona State.. I loved the pick thought he was going to be special at the time.

1 Ryan Pickett Ohio State........ I was not very happy at the time we already took a DT D.Lewis.. I wanted TE Todd Heap or DE Kyle Vanden Bosch at the time.

2 Tommy Polley Florida State... I was ok with the pick. He was on my radar and I saw him play some for FL St.

3 Brian Allen Florida State ....... I was not happy at all because we already took his teamate LB in the 2nd round ughhh!

4 Milton Wynn Washington State.. I thought what a wasted pick! never heard of him at the time.

4 Brandon Manumaleuna Arizona... I was so/so with the pick but not happy at the time.

5 Jerametrius Butler Kansas State.. I was ok with the pick because he was on my radar at the time.

2000

1 Trung Canidate Arizona.............. I was screaming REACH!! I wanted DE Darren Howard. WR D.Northcutt or DE John Engelberger at the time. Being honest.

2 Jacoby Shepherd Oklahoma State... THE BEGINNING OF THE 2nd Round Reach TREND for the Rams. UGHHHHHH!!!!!!

3 John St. Clair Virginia.................I was not happy with the pick..

4 Kaulana Noa Hawaii............... I thought he could of been had in the 5th or 6th.

5 Brian Young Texas-El Paso.... I had no problem with the pick but I cant remember him on my radar at the time.

So there you have it. Those were my honest feelings about all the drafts right after each pick.

 

[SSOG]

Bad, but nowhere near as bad as this:

2009 - Cleveland Browns

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 21 Alex Mack C California

2 36 Brian Robiskie WR Ohio State

2 50 Mohamed Massaquoi WR Georgia

2 52 David Veikune DE Hawaii

4 104 Kaluka Maiava LB USC

6 177 Don Carey CB Norfolk State

6 191 Coye Francies DB San Jose State

6 195 James Davis RB Clemson

2008 - Cleveland Browns

Rd Sel # Player Position School

4 104 Beau Bell LB Nevada-Las Vegas

4 111 Martin Rucker TE Missouri

6 190 Ahtyba Rubin DT Iowa State

6 191 Paul Hubbard WR Wisconsin

7 231 Alex Hall LB St. Augustine's

2007 - Cleveland Browns

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 3 Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin

1 22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame

2 53 Eric Wright CB Nevada-Las Vegas

5 140 Brandon McDonald DB Memphis

6 200 Melila Purcell DE Hawaii

7 213 Chase Pittman DE Louisiana State

7 234 Syndric Steptoe WR Arizona

2006 - Cleveland Browns

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 13 Kamerion Wimbley OLB Florida State

2 34 D'Qwell Jackson ILB Maryland

3 78 Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma

4 110 Leon Williams LB Miami (Fla.)

4 112 Isaac Sowells G Indiana

5 145 Jerome Harrison RB Washington State

5 152 DeMario Minter CB Georgia

6 180 Lawrence Vickers FB Colorado

6 181 Baba Oshinowo DT Stanford

7 222 Justin Hamilton DB Virginia Tech

2005 - Cleveland Browns

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan

2 34 Brodney Pool DB Oklahoma

3 67 Charlie Frye QB Akron

4 103 Antonio Perkins DB Oklahoma

5 139 David McMillan LB Kansas

6 176 Nick Speegle LB New Mexico

6 203 Andrew Hoffman DT Virginia

7 217 Jon Dunn T Virginia Tech

2004 - Cleveland Browns

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 6 Kellen Winslow TE Miami (Fla.)

2 59 Sean Jones SAF Georgia

4 106 Luke McCown QB Louisiana Tech

5 161 Amon Gordon DE Stanford

6 176 Kirk Chambers T Stanford

7 208 Adimchinobe Echemandu RB California

2003 - Cleveland Browns

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 21 Jeff Faine C Notre Dame

2 52 Chaun Thompson LB West Texas A&M

3 84 Chris Crocker DB Marshall

4 115 Lee Suggs RB Virginia Tech

5 142 Ryan Pontbriand C Rice

5 152 Michael Lehan DB Minnesota

6 195 Antonio Garay DE Boston College

2002 - Cleveland Browns

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 16 William Green RB Boston College

2 47 Andre Davis WR Virginia Tech

3 76 Melvin Fowler C Maryland

4 101 Kevin Bentley LB Northwestern

4 111 Ben Taylor LB Virginia Tech

4 122 Darnell Sanders TE Ohio State

5 141 Andra Davis LB Florida

7 227 Joaquin Gonzalez T Miami (Fla.)

2001 - Cleveland Browns

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 3 Gerard Warren DT Florida

2 33 Quincy Morgan WR Kansas State

3 65 James Jackson RB Miami (Fla.)

4 97 Anthony Henry DB South Florida

5 134 Jeremiah Pharms -- Washington

6 165 Michael Jameson CB Texas A&M

7 203 Paul Zukauskas G Boston College

7 245 Andre King WR Miami (Fla.)

2000 - Cleveland Browns

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 1 Courtney Brown DE Penn State

2 32 Dennis Northcutt WR Arizona

3 63 Travis Prentice RB Miami (Ohio)

3 79 JaJuan Dawson WR Tulane

4 95 Lewis Sanders DB Maryland

4 110 Aaron Shea TE Michigan

5 130 Anthony Malbrough DB Texas Tech

5 146 Lamar Chapman DB Kansas State

6 183 Spergon Wynn QB Texas State

6 206 Brad Bedell T Colorado

7 207 Manuia Savea -- Arizona

7 209 Eric Chandler -- Jackson State

7 225 Rashidi Barnes DB Colorado

1999 - Cleveland Browns

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 1 Tim Couch QB Kentucky

2 32 Kevin Johnson WR Syracuse

2 45 Rahim Abdullah OLB Clemson

3 62 Daylon McCutcheon CB USC

3 76 Marquis Smith DB California

4 124 Wali Rainer MLB Virginia

5 148 Darrin Chiaverini WR Colorado

6 174 Marcus Spriggs DT Troy State

6 187 Kendall Ogle LB Maryland

6 191 James Dearth TE Tarleton State

7 207 Madre Hill RB Arkansas

 

[Bruno2]

Ok I'll play along... We all know how bad Al and the Raiders have been with their 1st round picks, but in all fairness they have hit on some mid to late round picks.

2009

1.Darrius Heyward-Bey-WR

2.Mike Mitchell-S

3.Matt Shaughnessy-DE

4.Louis Murphy-WR

4b.Slade Norris-LB

6a.Stryker Sulak-DE

6b.Brandon Myers-TE

2008

1.Darren McFadden-RB

4a.Tyvon Branch-DB

4b.Armon Shields-WR

6.Trevor Scott-DE

7.Chaz Schilens-WR

2007

1.JaMarcus Russell-QB

2.Zach Miller-TE

3a.Quentin Moses-DE

3b.Mario Henderson-OL

3c.Johnnie Lee Higgins-WR

4a.Michael Bush-RB

4b.John Bowie-CB

5a.Jay Richardson-DE

5b.Eric Frampton-S

6.Oren O'Neal-FB

7.Johnathan Holland-WR

2006

1.Michael Huff-S

2.Thomas Howard-LB

3.Paul McQuistan-OL

4.Darnell Bing-S

6.Kevin Boothe-OL

7a.Chris Morris-C

7b.Kevin McMahan-WR

2005

1.Fabian Washington-CB

2.Stanford Routt-CB

3a.Andrew Walter-QB

3b.Kirk Morrison-LB

6a.Anttaj Hawthorne-DT

6b.Ryan Riddle-LB

6c.Pete McMahon-OL

2004

1.Robert Gallery-OL

2.Jake Grove-OL

3.Stuart Schweigert-S

4.Carlos Francis-WR

5.Johnnie Morant-WR

6.Shawn Johnson-DE

6b.Cody Spencer-LB

7.Courtney Anderson-TE

2003

1a.Nnamdi Asomugha-CB

1b.Tyler Brayton-DE

2.Teyo Johnson-TE

3a.Sam Williams-DE

3b.Justin Fargas-RB

4.Shurron Pierson-LB

5.Doug Gabriel-WR

6.Dustin Rykert-OL

7a.Sideeq Shabazz-S

7b.Ryan Hoag-WR

2002

1a.Phillip Buchanan-CB

1b.Napoleon Harris-LB

2a.Langston Walker-OL

2b.Doug Jolley-TE

5.Kenyon Coleman-DE

6a.Keyon Nash-DB

6b.Larry Ned-RB

7.Ronald Curry-WR

2001

1.Derrick Gibson-S

2.Marques Tuiasosopo-QB

3.DeLawrence Grant-DE

5.Raymond Perryman-S

6.Chris Cooper-DE

7a.Chris Combs-RB

7b.Ken-Yon Rambo-WR

2000

1.Sebastian Janikowski-K

2.Jerry Porter-WR

4.Junior Ioane-DT

5.Shane Lechler-P

7a.Mondriel Fulcher-TE

7b.Clifton Black-DB

1999

1.Matt Stinchcomb-OL

2.Tony Bryant-DE

4.Dameane Douglas-WR

5a.Eric Barton-LB

5b.Roderick Coleman-LB

6.Daren Yancey-DT

7.JoJuan Armour-LB

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Hey Bob, here are the Lions selections. I believe there's only 1 or 2 players that the Lions draftd in the Matt Millen era even on the team. What makes the Lions the worst IMO are all of the consistently high picks and they keep blowing them over and over.

There's no doubt though that looking at all of these teams and their poor picks, you have to do well in the draft or you have nothing.

Detroit Lions

Round Overall Player Pos. College

1a. 1 Stafford, Matthew QB Georgia

1b. 20 Pettigrew, Brandon (from Dal) TE Oklahoma State

2. 33 Delmas, Louis S Western Michigan

3a. 65 Choice to NYJ

3b. 76 Levy, DeAndre (from NO thru NYJ) LB Wisconsin

3c. 82 Williams, Derrick (from Dal) WR Penn State

4a. 101 Choice to Dal

4b. 115 Hill, Sammie (from Was thru NYJ) DT Stillman

5. 137 Choice to Bal thru Sea, Phi and NE

6a. 174 Choice to Den

6b. 192 Brown, Aaron (from Dal) RB Texas Christian

7a. 210 Choice to Atl thru Dal

7b. 228 Murtha, Lydon T Nebraska

7c. 235 Follett, Zack LB California

7d. 255 Gronkowski, Dan TE Maryland

2008

Round Overall Player Pos. College

1 17 Cherilus, Gosder (from Min through KC) T Boston College

2 45 Dizon, Jordon LB Colorado

3a. 64 Smith, Kevin(from Mia) RB Central Florida

3b. 87 Fluellen, Andre(from Cle) DT Florida State

3c. 92 Avril, Cliff(from Dal) DE Purdue

5a. 136 Moore, Kenneth(from Mia through KC) WR/PR Wake Forest

5b. 146 Felton, Jerome(from NO) FB Furman

7a. 216 Cohen, Landon DT Ohio

7b. 218 Campbell, Caleb(from NO) LB Army

2007

Round Overall Player Pos. College

1 2 Johnson, Calvin WR Georgia Tech

2 34 Choice to Buf

2 43 Stanton, Drew(from Buf) QB Michigan State

2 58 Alama-Francis, Ikaika(from NO) DE Hawaii

2 61 Alexander, Gerald(from Bal) S Boise State

3 66 Choice to NO

3 74 Choice to Bal

4 101 Choice to Jax thru Bal

4 105 Davis, A.J.(Choice from Arz thru Oak) CB NC State

4 117 Ramirez, Manny G Texas Tech

5 139 Choice to StL

5 145 Choice to NO

5 154 Choice to StL

5 158 Baldwin, Johnny(from Den) LB Alabama A&M

5 176 Choice to Min thru Den

5 212 Choice to Dal thru NYJ

6 255 Robinson, Ramzee CB Alabama

2006

Round Overall Player Pos. College

1 9 Sims, Ernie LB Florida State

2 40 Bullocks, Daniel S Nebraska

3 74 Calhoun, Brian RB Wisconsin

4 Choice to NE

5 141 Scott, Jonathan T Texas

6 179 McCann, Dee CB West Virginia

7a. 217 Matua, Fred G Southern California

7b. 247 Cannon, Anthony LB Tulane

2005

Round Overall Player Pos. College

1 10 Williams, Mike WR Southern California

2a. 37 Cody, Shaun(From Ten) DT Southern California

2b. Choice to Ten

3 72 Wilson, Stanley CB Stanford

4 Choice to Ten

5 145 Orlovsky, Dan(From NE thru Arz) QB Connecticut

6a. 184 Swancutt, Bill DE Oregon State

6b. 206 Goddard, Johnathan(From NE) LB Marshall

7 Choice to SF

2004

Round Overall Player Pos. College

1 7 Williams, Roy WR Texas

1 30 Jones, Kevin RB Virginia Tech

2 37 Lehman, Teddy LB Oklahoma

3 73 Smith, Keith CB McNeese State

5 140 Lewis, Alex LB Wisconsin

6 172 Butler, Kelly T Purdue

2003

Round Overall Player Pos. College

1 2 Rogers, Charles WR Michigan State

2 34 Bailey, Boss LB Georgia

3 66 Redding, Cory DE Texas

4 99 Pinner, Artose RB Kentucky

5a. 137 Holt, Terrence S N.C. State

5b. 144 Davis, James LB West Virginia

6 175 Kircus, David WR Grand Valley State

7a. 216 Johnson, Ben T Wisconsin

7b. 220 Adams, Blue CB Cincinnati

2002

Round Overall Player Pos. College

1 3 Harrington, Joey QB Oregon

2 35 Edwards, Kalimba DE S. Carolina

3 68 Goodman, André CB S. Carolina

4©. 134 Taylor, Jonathan DE Montana State

5 138 Owens, John TE Notre Dame

6 175 Cash, Chris CB USC

7a. 214 Staley, Luke RB Brigham Young

7b©. 253 Murphy, Matt TE Maryland

7c©. 259 Rogers, Victor T Colorado

2001

1 18 Backus, Jeff T Michigan

2a. 50 Raiola, Dominic C Nebraska

2b. 61 Rogers, Shaun DT Texas

5a. 148 Anderson, Scotty WR Grambling State

5b. 149 McMahon, Mike QB Rutgers

6 173 Glenn, Jason LB Texas A&M

2000

Round Overall Player Pos. College

1 20 McDougle, Stockar T Oklahoma

2 50 Green, Barrett LB West Virginia

3 81 Droughns, Reuben RB Oregon

4 Choice to Philadelphia

5 145 Franz, Todd CB Tulsa

6 181 Reese, Quinton DE Auburn

7 253 Boone, Alfonso DT Mt. San Antonio

 

[Anthony Borbely]

From 2002 through 2006, Ernie Sims is the only draft pick that is still on the Lions. I believe they had top 10 picks in all of those drafts. Calvin Johnson is really the only significant talent that Millen drafted in his 8 drafts. Last year, Mayhew had a great draft and it produced more good players than the 8 Millen drafts combined.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

From 2002 through 2006, Ernie Sims is the only draft pick that is still on the Lions. I believe they had top 10 picks in all of those drafts. Calvin Johnson is really the only significant talent that Millen drafted in his 8 drafts. Last year, Mayhew had a great draft and it produced more good players than the 8 Millen drafts combined.

Hey Anthony,I'll even say that I think the Roy Williams draft was a good one. My reasoning is they drafted Roy Williams in the 1st, they got some decent years out of him, a slightly above average wide receiver and then they traded him for a 1st and 3rd.So, for that draft pick, they got an extra 3rd for it plus they got to use him as a decent player for a few years. So to me, that actual pick was good for the Lions even though he's not on the team.

 

[Donnybrook]

To compare all the teams you can check them out here: http://drafthistory.com/teams_by_year.html

The team that seem the least impressive to me is the TB Bucs.

 

[David Yudkin]

Number of players drafted (2000 - 2009) that were later selected to the Pro Bowl (on any team):

10 - NYJ, SD

9 - BAL, IND, NE

8 - ARI, DAL, GB, PHI

7 - BUF, CAR, DEN, NO, NYG, SEA

6 - CHI, TEN, HOU, MIN, PIT, SF

5 - CIN, WAS

4 - ATL, CLE, JAX

3 - KC, MIA

2 - DET, OAK

1 - STL, TB

 

[Bruno2]

Number of players drafted (2000 - 2009) that were later selected to the Pro Bowl (on any team):10 - NYJ, SD9 - BAL, IND, NE8 - ARI, DAL, GB, PHI7 - BUF, CAR, DEN, NO, NYG, SEA6 - CHI, TEN, HOU, MIN, PIT, SF5 - CIN, WAS4 - ATL, CLE, JAX3 - KC, MIA2 - DET, OAK1 - STL, TB

One of those picks for the Raiders is perennial Pro-Bowl punter Shane Lechler, one of the best punters, if not the best, of the past decade. Pretty sad...At least Al Davis hasn't lost his eye for punting talent.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Number of players drafted (2000 - 2009) that were later selected to the Pro Bowl (on any team):10 - NYJ, SD9 - BAL, IND, NE8 - ARI, DAL, GB, PHI7 - BUF, CAR, DEN, NO, NYG, SEA6 - CHI, TEN, HOU, MIN, PIT, SF5 - CIN, WAS4 - ATL, CLE, JAX3 - KC, MIA2 - DET, OAK1 - STL, TB

nice list, david...& thanx for the team draft comparison link upthread...aside from pro bowl, it would be interesting to see comparisons of teams by measures of...players still on roster... poor record could also indicate poor scouting & failure to identify internal talent... poor coaching & inability to develop prospects... and poor front office work to bungle the cap...players on other rosters, but not starting caliber...players out of the league...by any measure... the rams have been really, really, really bad...i forgot about TB, but i guess you don't draft #3 for nothing...STL, DET & OAK were predictable... i almost put CLE, but thought they have had some good picks in recent years, like joe thomas, d'qwell jackson, kellen winslow... braylon edwards gets mixed reviews, but the rams should be so lucky to have a WR as talented...KC should have been obvious...ATL & MIA seemed down and out a few years ago, and i guess must have drafted poorly to hit the skids at that time...i guess JAX has blown a lot of picks other than MJD, and going forther back to stroud/hendo... daryl smith has been good, not great... rashean mathis was pro bowl caliber... garrard has done OK where they got him... harvey and groves blew up in their faces... last years draft looks good, so maybe they get back on track (new GM)...interesting (to me), that in david's list, even though a pro bowl appearance that might have occurred in 2000 for a since long retired player would have got on the list... ALL nine teams in the top three tiers made the playoffs last season. polian, ozzie and belichick are counted among the shrewdest draft mavens in the league, & not surprisingly, they are all their in the second tier...i wonder if it is an advantage to pick later (many years, especially recently, that describes IND, BAL & NE)... belichick is famous for his philosophy of trading down into the 2nd round (prospects grade about same between 20-40, sometimes 10-40, and they cost a lot less)...the rams have picked #2 in '08 & '09, and may not have gotten elite players in chris long & jason smith... the jury is still very much out on both of them... long finally flashed in the seond half of the season last year... it was disappointing to see smith line up at RT, with barron at LT... passing on both ryan and sanchez has practically compelled them to take bradford, who hopefully will be the franchise QB they need, but would cause them to pass on rare prospect suh... they will have to committ a huge amount of money to these three players (though not sure how much that matters in a possible post-salary cap landscape?)...anyways, the rams were blowing 1st round picks on kennedy, carriker, tye hill, and teams like BAL were NAILING lower 1st rounders, and landing ray lewis, ed reed, todd heap, etc (overcame some whiffs on boller & travis taylor)...it is funny to me that SD had maybe the worst pick ever in leaf... and nimbly recovered not once, but TWICE! when brees got injured, they got rivers... this is a team that understands the importance of QB...they also benefited from downswings leading to #1 picks, which they leveraged into the manning & vick trades... belichick is a master of manipulating the draft... of course, it helps to have a coveted players those years, which rams haven't benefited from.

 

[Iron_Far]

Number of players drafted (2000 - 2009) that were later selected to the Pro Bowl (on any team):

10 - NYJ, SD

9 - BAL, IND, NE

8 - ARI, DAL, GB, PHI

7 - BUF, CAR, DEN, NO, NYG, SEA

6 - CHI, TEN, HOU, MIN, PIT, SF

5 - CIN, WAS

4 - ATL, CLE, JAX

3 - KC, MIA

2 - DET, OAK

1 - STL, TB

nice list, david...& thanx for the team draft comparison link upthread...

aside from pro bowl, it would be interesting to see comparisons of teams by measures of...

players still on roster... poor record could also indicate poor scouting & failure to identify internal talent... poor coaching & inability to develop prospects... and poor front office work to bungle the cap...

players on other rosters, but not starting caliber...

players out of the league...

by any measure... the rams have been really, really, really bad...

i forgot about TB, but i guess you don't draft #3 for nothing...

STL, DET & OAK were predictable... i almost put CLE, but thought they have had some good picks in recent years, like joe thomas, d'qwell jackson, kellen winslow... braylon edwards gets mixed reviews, but the rams should be so lucky to have a WR as talented...

KC should have been obvious...

ATL & MIA seemed down and out a few years ago, and i guess must have drafted poorly to hit the skids at that time...

i guess JAX has blown a lot of picks other than MJD, and going forther back to stroud/hendo... daryl smith has been good, not great... rashean mathis was pro bowl caliber... garrard has done OK where they got him... harvey and groves blew up in their faces... last years draft looks good, so maybe they get back on track (new GM)...

interesting (to me), that in david's list, even though a pro bowl appearance that might have occurred in 2000 for a since long retired player would have got on the list... ALL nine teams in the top three tiers made the playoffs last season. polian, ozzie and belichick are counted among the shrewdest draft mavens in the league, & not surprisingly, they are all their in the second tier...

i wonder if it is an advantage to pick later (many years, especially recently, that describes IND, BAL & NE)... belichick is famous for his philosophy of trading down into the 2nd round (prospects grade about same between 20-40, sometimes 10-40, and they cost a lot less)...

the rams have picked #2 in '08 & '09, and may not have gotten elite players in chris long & jason smith... the jury is still very much out on both of them... long finally flashed in the seond half of the season last year... it was disappointing to see smith line up at RT, with barron at LT... passing on both ryan and sanchez has practically compelled them to take bradford, who hopefully will be the franchise QB they need, but would cause them to pass on rare prospect suh... they will have to committ a huge amount of money to these three players (though not sure how much that matters in a possible post-salary cap landscape?)...

anyways, the rams were blowing 1st round picks on kennedy, carriker, tye hill, and teams like BAL were NAILING lower 1st rounders, and landing ray lewis, ed reed, todd heap, etc (overcame some whiffs on boller & travis taylor)...

it is funny to me that SD had many the worst pick ever in leaf... and nimbly recovered not once, but TWICE! when brees got injured, they got rivers... this is a team that understands the importance of QB...

they also benefited from downswings leading to #1 picks, which they leveraged into the manning & vick trades... belichick is a master of manipulating the draft... of course, it helps to have a coveted players those years, which rams haven't benefited from.

O'rly?2008 1 1 10 10 Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee

2 2 31 62 Terrence Wheatley DB Colorado

3 3 15 78 Shawn Crable LB Michigan

4 3 31 94 Kevin O'Connell QB San Diego State

5 4 30 129 Jonathan Wilhite DB Auburn

6 5 18 153 Matt Slater WR UCLA

7 6 31 197 Bo Ruud LB Nebraska

2007 1 1 24 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (FL)

2 4 28 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (FL)

3 5 34 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State

4 6 6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist

5 6 28 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame

6 6 34 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut St.

7 6 35 209 Corey Hilliard T Oklahoma State

8 7 1 211 Oscar Lua LB USC

9 7 37 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa

2006 1 1 21 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota

2 2 4 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida

3 3 22 86 Dave Thomas TE Texas

4 4 9 106 Garrett Mills TE Tulsa

5 4 21 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis

6 5 3 136 Ryan O'Callaghan G California

7 6 22 191 Jeremy Mincey DE Florida

8 6 36 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame

9 6 37 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska

10 7 21 229 Willie Andrews DB Baylor

2005 1 1 32 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State

2 3 20 84 Ellis Hobbs DB Iowa State

3 3 36 100 Nick Kaczur G Toledo

4 4 32 133 James Sanders DB Fresno State

5 5 34 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas

6 7 16 230 Matt Cassel QB USC

7 7 41 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn

2004 1 1 21 21 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL)

2 1 32 32 Ben Watson TE Georgia

3 2 31 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State

4 3 32 95 Guss Scott DB Florida

5 4 17 113 Dexter Reid DB North Carolina

6 4 32 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas

7 5 32 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State

8 7 32 233 Christian Morton DB Illinois

The three drafts from 2006 to 2008, I believe he only "hit" on Mayo? Sure, he's done great manipulating other teams into giving up picks; but look at what he has to show for those picks...

 

[Bob Magaw]

Number of players drafted (2000 - 2009) that were later selected to the Pro Bowl (on any team):

10 - NYJ, SD

9 - BAL, IND, NE

8 - ARI, DAL, GB, PHI

7 - BUF, CAR, DEN, NO, NYG, SEA

6 - CHI, TEN, HOU, MIN, PIT, SF

5 - CIN, WAS

4 - ATL, CLE, JAX

3 - KC, MIA

2 - DET, OAK

1 - STL, TB

nice list, david...& thanx for the team draft comparison link upthread...

aside from pro bowl, it would be interesting to see comparisons of teams by measures of...

players still on roster... poor record could also indicate poor scouting & failure to identify internal talent... poor coaching & inability to develop prospects... and poor front office work to bungle the cap...

players on other rosters, but not starting caliber...

players out of the league...

by any measure... the rams have been really, really, really bad...

i forgot about TB, but i guess you don't draft #3 for nothing...

STL, DET & OAK were predictable... i almost put CLE, but thought they have had some good picks in recent years, like joe thomas, d'qwell jackson, kellen winslow... braylon edwards gets mixed reviews, but the rams should be so lucky to have a WR as talented...

KC should have been obvious...

ATL & MIA seemed down and out a few years ago, and i guess must have drafted poorly to hit the skids at that time...

i guess JAX has blown a lot of picks other than MJD, and going forther back to stroud/hendo... daryl smith has been good, not great... rashean mathis was pro bowl caliber... garrard has done OK where they got him... harvey and groves blew up in their faces... last years draft looks good, so maybe they get back on track (new GM)...

interesting (to me), that in david's list, even though a pro bowl appearance that might have occurred in 2000 for a since long retired player would have got on the list... ALL nine teams in the top three tiers made the playoffs last season. polian, ozzie and belichick are counted among the shrewdest draft mavens in the league, & not surprisingly, they are all their in the second tier...

i wonder if it is an advantage to pick later (many years, especially recently, that describes IND, BAL & NE)... belichick is famous for his philosophy of trading down into the 2nd round (prospects grade about same between 20-40, sometimes 10-40, and they cost a lot less)...

the rams have picked #2 in '08 & '09, and may not have gotten elite players in chris long & jason smith... the jury is still very much out on both of them... long finally flashed in the seond half of the season last year... it was disappointing to see smith line up at RT, with barron at LT... passing on both ryan and sanchez has practically compelled them to take bradford, who hopefully will be the franchise QB they need, but would cause them to pass on rare prospect suh... they will have to committ a huge amount of money to these three players (though not sure how much that matters in a possible post-salary cap landscape?)...

anyways, the rams were blowing 1st round picks on kennedy, carriker, tye hill, and teams like BAL were NAILING lower 1st rounders, and landing ray lewis, ed reed, todd heap, etc (overcame some whiffs on boller & travis taylor)...

it is funny to me that SD had many the worst pick ever in leaf... and nimbly recovered not once, but TWICE! when brees got injured, they got rivers... this is a team that understands the importance of QB...

they also benefited from downswings leading to #1 picks, which they leveraged into the manning & vick trades... belichick is a master of manipulating the draft... of course, it helps to have a coveted players those years, which rams haven't benefited from.

O'rly?2008 1 1 10 10 Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee

2 2 31 62 Terrence Wheatley DB Colorado

3 3 15 78 Shawn Crable LB Michigan

4 3 31 94 Kevin O'Connell QB San Diego State

5 4 30 129 Jonathan Wilhite DB Auburn

6 5 18 153 Matt Slater WR UCLA

7 6 31 197 Bo Ruud LB Nebraska

2007 1 1 24 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (FL)

2 4 28 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (FL)

3 5 34 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State

4 6 6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist

5 6 28 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame

6 6 34 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut St.

7 6 35 209 Corey Hilliard T Oklahoma State

8 7 1 211 Oscar Lua LB USC

9 7 37 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa

2006 1 1 21 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota

2 2 4 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida

3 3 22 86 Dave Thomas TE Texas

4 4 9 106 Garrett Mills TE Tulsa

5 4 21 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis

6 5 3 136 Ryan O'Callaghan G California

7 6 22 191 Jeremy Mincey DE Florida

8 6 36 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame

9 6 37 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska

10 7 21 229 Willie Andrews DB Baylor

2005 1 1 32 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State

2 3 20 84 Ellis Hobbs DB Iowa State

3 3 36 100 Nick Kaczur G Toledo

4 4 32 133 James Sanders DB Fresno State

5 5 34 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas

6 7 16 230 Matt Cassel QB USC

7 7 41 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn

2004 1 1 21 21 Vince Wilfork DT Miami (FL)

2 1 32 32 Ben Watson TE Georgia

3 2 31 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State

4 3 32 95 Guss Scott DB Florida

5 4 17 113 Dexter Reid DB North Carolina

6 4 32 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas

7 5 32 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State

8 7 32 233 Christian Morton DB Illinois

The three drafts from 2006 to 2008, I believe he only "hit" on Mayo? Sure, he's done great manipulating other teams into giving up picks; but look at what he has to show for those picks...

touche...

nice rejoinder... belichick probably is trading on his rep from prior drafts (in my case)...

 

[David Yudkin]

Total games played using PFR data for guys drafted 2000-2009 . . .

SF 3882

TEN 3862

SEA 3740

NYJ 3502

JAX 3489

BAL 3481

CHI 3470

BUF 3465

ARI 3447

STL 3388

NYG 3387

SD 3384

IND 3375

CIN 3367

CAR 3317

GB 3315

CLE 3212

OAK 3179

DAL 3049

PHI 3031

PIT 3022

NE 3009

NO 2979

DEN 2924

ATL 2910

DET 2895

MIN 2892

KC 2810

TB 2652

MIA 2570

HOU 2312

WAS 2057

Washington seemed to always trade their picks away, which would explain why they rank so low.