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[Da Guru]

Believe it or not the two teams playing for the ToiletBowl this week in my 14 team league have more total points than a team playing for the title.

The team playing for the title has the least points scored against it by more than 150 points.

This lineup could win it all.

QB- Pennington/ Brad Johnson

RB- Henry

RB-James

WR-Holt/Evans/Copper/ Bruce

TE- Stevens

K- Longwell

Out of 14 teams this lineup was the 13th worst in our league last week..only 1 team scored less..you guessed it the team he was playing in the semis..LJ and Bulger did not do sqat and the guy lost by 2 points.

 

[nerangers]

Believe it or not the two teams playing for the ToiletBowl this week in my 14 team league have more total points than a team playing for the title.The team playing for the title has the least points scored against it by more than 150 points.This lineup could win it all.QB- Pennington/ Brad JohnsonRB- HenryRB-JamesWR-Holt/Evans/Copper/ BruceTE- StevensK- LongwellOut of 14 team this lineup was the 13th worst in our league last week..only 1 team score less..you guessed it the team he was playing in the semis..LJ and Bulger did not do sqat and the guy lost by 2 points.

Hey, that is how head to head goes...if the points were so important, than you should just play off total points. I am in the toilet bowl this week. I had the second highest points in the league...and just missed the playoffs. Week 15 was aweful for my players (Palmer, TJ, SSmith, MBooker, Parker, Green, Davis, Miami). I always thought a combination of points and wins would be interesting to play. In a 14 team league, each week the top seven teams would get a win, and the bottom seven would get a loss. Or have every team play each other each week.

 

[Mario Kart]

H2H is the only way to go. The real NFL team that scores a lot of points does not always win their game either.

 

[Tom Servo]

H2H is the only way to go. The real NFL team that scores a lot of points does not always win their game either.

Sorry about your luck, Guru.

 

[Da Guru]

H2H is the only way to go. The real NFL team that scores a lot of points does not always win their game either.

Sorry about your luck, Guru.

I got knocked out last week. Just an observer now.

 

[Islander]

H2H is the only way to go. The real NFL team that scores a lot of points does not always win their game either.

Very bad analogy. In the NFL, if you score a lot of points and lose, it's because your defense played bad - so you deserve the loss. In FF, if you score a lot of points and lose, it's because you were unlucky to play the highest scoring team that week (let's say you finish 2nd best team out of 12 and lose). This is pure luck due to the schedule. The 11th best team might win.I only play in all-matchup leagues. So if you finish 2nd out of 12, you get 10 wins 1 loss in that week. The luck element goes WAY down in those leagues.H2H is NOT the only way to go. It is very short-sighted to say so.

 

[snogger]

Do both.

We have a championship Trophy & Money for the H2H winner and a Championship Trophy & Money for the Overall points champion.

Last year one person got both. This year the Overall points leader just got knocked out of the championship game.

 

[PatsWillWin]

don't do H2H.

i really don't get how people can complain about the "best team" not winning. it's freaking H2H. it's largely luck.

this thread is vaguely reminiscent of the guy yesterday who wanted to get rid of advancing the ball on turnovers because it made it tougher for the "better team" to win.

 

[Gargoylez]

We have two ways of winning.

Regular season. That pays out 1st, 2nd, 3rd and most points. Then we have the playoffs. Based on points. most points is first, 8th most points is 8th.

This way if a team is say 3rd in overall points but had back luck and was only 5-8 or something, they still would be INTO the league, and have a decent playoff spot. It rewards the teams that are actually good and it doesn't glorify the lucky team.

Example:

We had a team go 8-5. That was good enough for 4th place over-all. He was 10th in scoring, and missed the playoffs. He had a shot at 3rd place too. So it is a good way for ALOT of the teams to stay in the season.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

H2H is the only way to go. The real NFL team that scores a lot of points does not always win their game either.

Sorry about your luck, Guru.

I got knocked out last week. Just an observer now.

I got knocked out last week with Vick, LT, MBIII and MJD. And the team that knocked me out scored 100 points less this week.Sometimes its better to be lucky.

 

[SuperJohn96]

I would never do H2H in a big money league, but my local league with just friends and for a small pot is H2H and I wouldn't have it any other way.

H2H is just way more fun, there's no denying that.

 

[thayman]

I love H2H. I've also found IDP to minimize alot of the luck factor week in and week out.

 

[Warhogs]

I play H2H and that is just how it goes. I don't feel the best team needs to win the championship every year. Does the best team for the entire season win the Superbowl eah year? No. You either accept this as part of the system or change the system. I personally have no problem if a team that was not the best all year wins the league championship.

 

[PsychoMan]

Discussing something similar here.

 

[Cenobite]

Do both.We have a championship Trophy & Money for the H2H winner and a Championship Trophy & Money for the Overall points champion. Last year one person got both. This year the Overall points leader just got knocked out of the championship game.

So do we. More $$$ is paid out to the overall champ as it should be since H2H match-ups involve more luck. Comparing H2H to the NFL is disingenuous because in the NFL you are not allowed to pick-up players from other NFL teams on a weekly basis like the FF ww. Those that had DJ Hackett and R. Curry in PPR leagues did better than CJ and Holt which is an anomoly. Overall points is the true measure of a winner.

 

[PatsFan23]

In my league we play 2 games each week. One game H2H against another owner and one against the league avg. This seems to even out those weeks in which you have a good week but go up against a team that went off.

The only downside is that if your team sucks you usually go 0-2 and end up being out of it pretty quickly.

This year it seemed to work out well since 10 of the 12 teams were competing for playoff spots right till the end.

 

[urbanhack]

Believe it or not the two teams playing for the ToiletBowl this week in my 14 team league have more total points than a team playing for the title.The team playing for the title has the least points scored against it by more than 150 points.This lineup could win it all.QB- Pennington/ Brad JohnsonRB- HenryRB-JamesWR-Holt/Evans/Copper/ BruceTE- StevensK- LongwellOut of 14 teams this lineup was the 13th worst in our league last week..only 1 team scored less..you guessed it the team he was playing in the semis..LJ and Bulger did not do sqat and the guy lost by 2 points.

 

[Lowen1]

Believe it or not the two teams playing for the ToiletBowl this week in my 14 team league have more total points than a team playing for the title.The team playing for the title has the least points scored against it by more than 150 points.This lineup could win it all.QB- Pennington/ Brad JohnsonRB- HenryRB-JamesWR-Holt/Evans/Copper/ BruceTE- StevensK- LongwellOut of 14 teams this lineup was the 13th worst in our league last week..only 1 team scored less..you guessed it the team he was playing in the semis..LJ and Bulger did not do sqat and the guy lost by 2 points.

that never gets old

 

[Unlucky]

How many out of 14 teams made the playoffs? Did this awful team get in as the #8 seed or something?

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Do both.We have a championship Trophy & Money for the H2H winner and a Championship Trophy & Money for the Overall points champion. Last year one person got both. This year the Overall points leader just got knocked out of the championship game.

One of my leagues does the same. And as it so happens, in 4 of the past 5 years, the H2H and Total Points champ were the same. And it looks like that will be the case this year, as one team has LT, Brees, Gore, Jones-Drew, Wayne, and C. Johnson. He's running away with the TP title and plays for the H2H championship this week.

 

[JohnnyU]

Part of the beauty of FF, is that a team that's not the best team can win it all. If it's good enough for the NFL, it's good enough for FF. Not everything about FF has to be laid out where only the best teams win it each year. Adding that element of uncertainty is good for FF.

 

[nortobc]

We have a combination of both record and total points to choose the playoff teams. I am in a 14 team league and 6 teams make the playoffs. The 2 teams w/ the best record get a first round bye. The next 2 teams w/ the best record play in the 1st round along with the top 2 scoring teams out of the rest of the league. This way, it is almost impossible to not make the playoffs if you are a top 4 or 5 scoring team. 1 or 2 low scoring teams might make the playoffs via record, but that still leaves at least 4 spots for the top scoring teams.

 

[cstu]

Lost in 3 out of the 4 leagues where I had the bye and was in the top 3 in points. There were a lot of players who underperformed this week.

 

[maddawg2020]

I would never do H2H in a big money league, but my local league with just friends and for a small pot is H2H and I wouldn't have it any other way.

H2H is just way more fun, there's no denying that.

I agree with this! H2H is so much more fun with guys u know but in big money leagues u want to eliminate luck because... well, uh.... because.... there's big money at stake! LOL

one way to eliminate the luck factor is double-headers. one game is H2H and the second game is against the enitre league. basically u have a H2H schedule like normal but then the top half of the league also get a second win. I did this in one league a few years ago and it worked out great. weeks 1-13, you have 26 total games. if you win ur H2H match-up u get one win but come in 6th place in scoring that week in a 10-team league, then u don't get the other win. if you're 2nd highest in scoring that week but ur H2H is against the top scorer then at least you're 1-1 rather than 0-1.

another easy way to solve this is give out cash prizes for total points AND H2H.

 

[Koya]

H2H league with two divisions here. I have been screaming for years for the league to have a wild card for the final two playoff spots, but they insist on seperating the divisions.

Until next year....

Why?

Because my team and its GLORIOUS 5-8 record is going to the Super Bowl.

Pretty pathetic. Now, I did make it because in my sad sack divsion there were three teams with 5-8 and I had the most points of any of them (and in fact, more points scored than the winner of our division), but even so, for a team not only under .500 but THAT far under to make the playoff is pathetic.

That said, I will take my 600 in winnings so far and a chance for 1500 more and look forward to the change in structure next year.

 

[Strawman]

The team playing for the title has the least points scored against it by more than 150 points.

What can you do? They play good defense.

 

[J R]

H2H is the only way to go. The real NFL team that scores a lot of points does not always win their game either.

Very bad analogy. In the NFL, if you score a lot of points and lose, it's because your defense played bad - so you deserve the loss. In FF, if you score a lot of points and lose, it's because you were unlucky to play the highest scoring team that week (let's say you finish 2nd best team out of 12 and lose). This is pure luck due to the schedule. The 11th best team might win.I only play in all-matchup leagues. So if you finish 2nd out of 12, you get 10 wins 1 loss in that week. The luck element goes WAY down in those leagues.H2H is NOT the only way to go. It is very short-sighted to say so.

It might just be a poorly worded analogy. Assuming that eventually the points against will even out, then H2H rewards consistent scoring (like Success Rate for RBs), not the highest scoring (like yards per carry as in the Tatum Bell threads).

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

I played in a 12 team, two division league this year. The winner of each division got in as well as the two remaining teams with the most total points. I thought it was a great format.

If you're a fan of six teams making the playoffs, division winners could get a bye, runners up get in and play the two remaining teams with the most points.

 

[Da Guru]

How many out of 14 teams made the playoffs? Did this awful team get in as the #8 seed or something?

No , believe or not this team won its division. A average week in our league is around 60 points in a NPPR league. A good week 70-90.This guy won 5 games with 45 points or less. He won this week with 39

 

[Mario Kart]

H2H is the only way to go. The real NFL team that scores a lot of points does not always win their game either.

Very bad analogy. In the NFL, if you score a lot of points and lose, it's because your defense played bad - so you deserve the loss. In FF, if you score a lot of points and lose, it's because you were unlucky to play the highest scoring team that week (let's say you finish 2nd best team out of 12 and lose). This is pure luck due to the schedule. The 11th best team might win.I only play in all-matchup leagues. So if you finish 2nd out of 12, you get 10 wins 1 loss in that week. The luck element goes WAY down in those leagues.H2H is NOT the only way to go. It is very short-sighted to say so.

Not a bad analogy at all. Maybe it is not understood though.

 

[BroadwayG]

You should set up owner polls for each game to determine victors, rather than using player statistics. This will completely eliminate all such travesties.

 

[Cliffwalsh]

CBS Sportsline offers a power ranking which consists of a head to head record, a record against all other teams in the league per week, and total points. The three categories are equally weighted. My league uses a head to head- had we used the power ranking, two of the four playoff teams would have been different.

 

[notoriousbob]

How many out of 14 teams made the playoffs? Did this awful team get in as the #8 seed or something?

No , believe or not this team won its division. A average week in our league is around 60 points in a NPPR league. A good week 70-90.This guy won 5 games with 45 points or less. He won this week with 39

Chalk it up to a miracle season. It is possible the 14 team format has spread the league too thin making each team more dependent on a core group and not having the option of playing matchups much (or having to play more risky matchups that don't pan out). It sounds like dumb luck though. Nothing you can do about it.

 

[renesauz]

A 6 - 8 guy made the superbowl in our league when his division was MISERABLE. Funny thing was, he had the LOWEST total points in the 12 team league, and was mediocre in points against...he was just incredibly lucky.

We're making the following changes for next year:

- a qualifier: playoff teams MUST have at least a .500 record. (will take a wildcard from another division if no division team qualifies, highest available total points if none do)

- switch from three divisions to 4, and add 1 more wildcard team (5 teams make playoffs), regular season goes from 14 to 13 weeks, playoffs from 2 to 3 weeks.

- moving to dual system. H2H W/L, as well as total points W/L. (Top 6 scores each week get a win, bottom six a loss). With 26 games, that should prevent the truly pathetic teams from getting in, as well as insure that the super-unlucky still have a chance if they consistantly score in the top half.

 

[renesauz]

A 6 - 8 guy made the superbowl in our league when his division was MISERABLE. Funny thing was, he had the LOWEST total points in the 12 team league, and was mediocre in points against...he was just incredibly lucky.

We're making the following changes for next year:

- a qualifier: playoff teams MUST have at least a .500 record. (will take a wildcard from another division if no division team qualifies, highest available total points if none do)

- switch from three divisions to 4, and add 1 more wildcard team (5 teams make playoffs), regular season goes from 14 to 13 weeks, playoffs from 2 to 3 weeks.

- moving to dual system. H2H W/L, as well as total points W/L. (Top 6 scores each week get a win, bottom six a loss). With 26 games, that should prevent the truly pathetic teams from getting in, as well as insure that the super-unlucky still have a chance if they consistantly score in the top half.

 

[stbugs]

We have two ways of winning.Regular season. That pays out 1st, 2nd, 3rd and most points. Then we have the playoffs. Based on points. most points is first, 8th most points is 8th.This way if a team is say 3rd in overall points but had back luck and was only 5-8 or something, they still would be INTO the league, and have a decent playoff spot. It rewards the teams that are actually good and it doesn't glorify the lucky team.Example:We had a team go 8-5. That was good enough for 4th place over-all. He was 10th in scoring, and missed the playoffs. He had a shot at 3rd place too. So it is a good way for ALOT of the teams to stay in the season.

What is the point of H2H in your league? I understand giving prizes for the regular season for most points (we do that - I got 3rd, so I got $$$ even though I just got eliminated in the playoffs), but what is the point in seeding the playoffs by most points as well.If an 8-5 team didn't make the playoffs, then doing H2H in your league is pretty much a waste. In our league, teams make the playoffs and are seeded by H2H record, which is why we give the regular season $$$ to the most points, so you don't have a guy finish 5-8 with the 3rd most points and get no $$$.

 

[Urlacher54]

I did a quick scan and found nothing so if this was mentioned, I apologize.

In order to make the regular season more meaningful, we have instituted a home field advantage in the playoffs. 10 team league, 8 teams make the playoffs. 8 at 1, 7 at 2, and so on. We reseed each round. CBSsportsline allows you to adjust scoring before the matchup. We use a high scoring system so the amount we give each team would be meaningless to you, but it works out to roughly:

1 gets an additional 20% of the average week in our league added to his score

2 gets an additional 15%

3 gets an additional 10%

4 gets an additional 5%

This gives more weight to the regular season, plus it prevents alot of weak teams barely scraping by in the playoffs. They have to have a really good week to beat the higher seed, yet it is not impossible. This year, the 8 seed beat the 1 seed, but all the other higher seeds advanced, and only the 3 seed actually ended up needing the home field advantage.

In the second round, the highest seed left gets a 10% home field advantage over the lowest seed, and the other home team gets 5%. This year, I needed my home field as a 2 seed against the 7 seed. If we didn't have it, I would have lost, despite outscoring the 7 seed by a huge amount all year.

Superbowl has no home field advantage since there is none in the NFL.

Again, the percentages are rough estimates because our average week is about 2200 points. This has worked great for us, and it makes the regular season more meaningful.

 

[stevegamer]

H2H is the only way to go. The real NFL team that scores a lot of points does not always win their game either.

Very bad analogy. In the NFL, if you score a lot of points and lose, it's because your defense played bad - so you deserve the loss. In FF, if you score a lot of points and lose, it's because you were unlucky to play the highest scoring team that week (let's say you finish 2nd best team out of 12 and lose). This is pure luck due to the schedule. The 11th best team might win.I only play in all-matchup leagues. So if you finish 2nd out of 12, you get 10 wins 1 loss in that week. The luck element goes WAY down in those leagues.

H2H is NOT the only way to go. It is very short-sighted to say so.

It might just be a poorly worded analogy. Assuming that eventually the points against will even out, then H2H rewards consistent scoring (like Success Rate for RBs), not the highest scoring (like yards per carry as in the Tatum Bell threads).

They won't even out - and it's crazy to assume they will.I'm in a league which gives equal weight to W-L record and scoring per wee, each can score you 2 league points per week. W-T-L in head-to-head is 2-1-0 LP's and scoring is 2-1-0 top 4, middle 4, bottom 4. Works pretty well to balance great scoring team with horrible matchup versus great matchup with horrible scoring.