Worst top-10 drafted? (1 Viewer)

[switz]

A friend and I were watching the Skins game, and noticed Mike Williams and Levi Jones playing for the Redskins. The conversation turned to what a bust they were, and especially how Buffalo blew it taking Mike Williams over Bryant McKinnie. Then we started thinking about that draft in general.

1. Houston David Carr QB Fresno State

2. Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina

3. Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon

4. Buffalo Mike Williams OT Texas

5. San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas

6. Kansas City Ryan Sims DT North Carolina

7. Minnesota Bryant McKinnie OT Miami (Fla)

8. Dallas Roy Williams SS Oklahoma

9. Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee

10. Cincinnati Levi Jones OT Arizona State

Is that the worst top-10 ever? Only 3 Pro-Bowlers in the bunch I believe (Peppers, McKinnie, Henderson). Some HUGE busts in Carr, Harrington, Jammer, Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Ryan Sims...

What's your worst top-10 NFL draft?

 

[rvmblack]

Jammer isn't a HUGE bust. He's not a shut down, dominant corner, but hes better than most.

 

[switz]

Jammer isn't a HUGE bust. He's not a shut down, dominant corner, but hes better than most.

He's not a top-5 draft pick DB, he's a 3rd round DB. That's BUST.

 

[JJP]

Now, with just about 3 full seasons under the belt, we can look at the 2007 NFL draft. I would grade it about a D+, and thats only because Adrian Peterson was in the top 10. I know Calvin Johnson is popular on this forum, but the guy hasn't lived up to his potential. But there's far bigger busts than him:

1. JaMarcus Russell- Oakland

2. Calvin Johnson- Detroit

3. Joe Thomas- Cleveland

4. Gaines Adams- Tampa Bay

5. Levi Brown- Arizona

6. LaRon Landry- Washington

7. Adrian Peterson- Minnesota

8. Jamaal Anderson- Atlanta

9. Ted Ginn- Miami

10. Amobi Okoye- Houston

 

[rvmblack]

Jammer isn't a HUGE bust. He's not a shut down, dominant corner, but hes better than most.

He's not a top-5 draft pick DB, he's a 3rd round DB. That's BUST.

You just said HUGE bust. Jammer is not a HUGE bust. He's a solid player. I'm sure you look at the corners drafted in that draft, and maybe you'll find 4 better than him

 

[Chaka]

Jammer isn't a bust by any stretch. He's not Revis or Asmougah but very few are.

 

[Buffaloes]

Jammer's not a bust and I can't stand the Chargers.

 

[Avery]

A friend and I were watching the Skins game, and noticed Mike Williams and Levi Jones playing for the Redskins. The conversation turned to what a bust they were, and especially how Buffalo blew it taking Mike Williams over Bryant McKinnie. Then we started thinking about that draft in general.

1. Houston David Carr QB Fresno State

2. Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina

3. Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon

4. Buffalo Mike Williams OT Texas

5. San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas

6. Kansas City Ryan Sims DT North Carolina

7. Minnesota Bryant McKinnie OT Miami (Fla)

8. Dallas Roy Williams SS Oklahoma

9. Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee

10. Cincinnati Levi Jones OT Arizona State

Is that the worst top-10 ever? Only 3 Pro-Bowlers in the bunch I believe (Peppers, McKinnie, Henderson). Some HUGE busts in Carr, Harrington, Jammer, Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Ryan Sims...

What's your worst top-10 NFL draft?

Williams went to the Pro bowl 5 times.

Clear evidence that the Pro Bowl in no way equates to talent.

 

[Chaka]

A friend and I were watching the Skins game, and noticed Mike Williams and Levi Jones playing for the Redskins. The conversation turned to what a bust they were, and especially how Buffalo blew it taking Mike Williams over Bryant McKinnie. Then we started thinking about that draft in general.

1. Houston David Carr QB Fresno State

2. Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina

3. Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon

4. Buffalo Mike Williams OT Texas

5. San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas

6. Kansas City Ryan Sims DT North Carolina

7. Minnesota Bryant McKinnie OT Miami (Fla)

8. Dallas Roy Williams SS Oklahoma

9. Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee

10. Cincinnati Levi Jones OT Arizona State

Is that the worst top-10 ever? Only 3 Pro-Bowlers in the bunch I believe (Peppers, McKinnie, Henderson). Some HUGE busts in Carr, Harrington, Jammer, Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Ryan Sims...

What's your worst top-10 NFL draft?

Williams went to the Pro bowl 5 times.

Clear evidence that the Pro Bowl in no way equates to talent.

Williams has had a very good career. Another one who is not even remotely a bust.

 

[sports_fan]

2005 Top Ten:

1. Alex Smith

2. Ronnie Brown

3. Braylon Edwards

4. Cedric Benson

5. Carnell Williams

6. Adam Jones

7. Troy Williamson

8. Antrel Rolle

9. Carlos Rodgers

10. Mike Williams

Ronnie Brown and Braylon Edwards are the only two Pro Bowlers. Brown is great but can't stay healthy (same for Cadillac) and Edwards is extremely inconsistent. The reemergence of Alex Smith and Benson makes this list look a lot better, but it's still pretty crappy for a top 10.

 

[Don Quixote]

1992?

1 Indianapolis Colts Steve Emtman DT Washington

2 Indianapolis Colts Quentin Coryatt LB Texas A&M

3 Los Angeles Rams Sean Gilbert DE Pittsburgh

4 Washington Redskins Desmond Howard WR Michigan

5 Green Bay Packers Terrell Buckley DB Florida State

6 Cincinnati Bengals David Klingler QB Houston

7 Miami Dolphins Troy Vincent DB Wisconsin

8 Atlanta Falcons Bob Whitfield T Stanford

9 Cleveland Browns Tommy Vardell RB Stanford

10 Seattle Seahawks Ray Roberts T Virginia

 

[JJP]

2005 Top Ten:

1. Alex Smith

2. Ronnie Brown

3. Braylon Edwards

4. Cedric Benson

5. Carnell Williams

6. Adam Jones

7. Troy Williamson

8. Antrel Rolle

9. Carlos Rodgers

10. Mike Williams

Ronnie Brown and Braylon Edwards are the only two Pro Bowlers. Brown is great but can't stay healthy (same for Cadillac) and Edwards is extremely inconsistent. The reemergence of Alex Smith and Benson makes this list look a lot better, but it's still pretty crappy for a top 10.

I was just going to post this. This is worse than 2002 or the 2007 draft I posted earlier, although it can clearly be argued that both those drafts were poor, at least at the top. Interesting that between numbers 11-15, the 2005 draft did have 3 Pro Bowl players. The top was just disappointing. But then after the 3 Pro Bowlers, it was back to more busts like Erasmus James and Matt Jones.

 

[Avery]

A friend and I were watching the Skins game, and noticed Mike Williams and Levi Jones playing for the Redskins. The conversation turned to what a bust they were, and especially how Buffalo blew it taking Mike Williams over Bryant McKinnie. Then we started thinking about that draft in general.

1. Houston David Carr QB Fresno State

2. Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina

3. Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon

4. Buffalo Mike Williams OT Texas

5. San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas

6. Kansas City Ryan Sims DT North Carolina

7. Minnesota Bryant McKinnie OT Miami (Fla)

8. Dallas Roy Williams SS Oklahoma

9. Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee

10. Cincinnati Levi Jones OT Arizona State

Is that the worst top-10 ever? Only 3 Pro-Bowlers in the bunch I believe (Peppers, McKinnie, Henderson). Some HUGE busts in Carr, Harrington, Jammer, Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Ryan Sims...

What's your worst top-10 NFL draft?

Williams went to the Pro bowl 5 times.

Clear evidence that the Pro Bowl in no way equates to talent.

The guy was fine for 4 years then let the media get in his head. It happens.Was running around 80-90 tackles and 5-6 turnovers for his first three pro bowl seasons including one all-pro appearance. He just lost all confidence when he felt like the NFL was out to get him, or something.

Yeah, his career is over now, but he was productive enough to justify his draft spot there.

The media made him suck balls in coverage?

 

[Sleeping King]

1996

1. Keyshawn Johnson

2. Kevin Hardy

3. Simeon Rice

4. Jonathan Ogden

5. Cedric Jones

6. Lawrence Phillips

7. Terry Glenn

8. Tim Biakabutuka

9. Rickey Dudley

10. Willie Anderson

 

[Don Quixote]

19961. Keyshawn Johnson2. Kevin Hardy3. Simeon Rice4. Jonathan Ogden5. Cedric Jones6. Lawrence Phillips7. Terry Glenn8. Tim Biakabutuka9. Rickey Dudley10. Willie Anderson

A couple of busts in there, but six former Pro Bowlers in the Top 10 is not a bad draft.

 

[sports_fan]

19961. Keyshawn Johnson2. Kevin Hardy3. Simeon Rice4. Jonathan Ogden5. Cedric Jones6. Lawrence Phillips7. Terry Glenn8. Tim Biakabutuka9. Rickey Dudley10. Willie Anderson

While there are several busts, a Hall of Fame tackle and two solid WRs save this list. When you have a player as dominant as Ogden included in the list, I don't think you can call it a bust overall. But that raises the question: Does one outstanding player save a top ten?

 

[Chaka]

19961. Keyshawn Johnson2. Kevin Hardy3. Simeon Rice4. Jonathan Ogden5. Cedric Jones6. Lawrence Phillips7. Terry Glenn8. Tim Biakabutuka9. Rickey Dudley10. Willie Anderson

While there are several busts, a Hall of Fame tackle and two solid WRs save this list. When you have a player as dominant as Ogden included in the list, I don't think you can call it a bust overall. But that raises the question: Does one outstanding player save a top ten?

Willie Anderson was an outstanding tackle too. Simeon Rice averaged 12 sacks/year for 10 seasons.

 

[Don Quixote]

19961. Keyshawn Johnson2. Kevin Hardy3. Simeon Rice4. Jonathan Ogden5. Cedric Jones6. Lawrence Phillips7. Terry Glenn8. Tim Biakabutuka9. Rickey Dudley10. Willie Anderson

While there are several busts, a Hall of Fame tackle and two solid WRs save this list. When you have a player as dominant as Ogden included in the list, I don't think you can call it a bust overall. But that raises the question: Does one outstanding player save a top ten?

Willie Anderson was an outstanding tackle too. Simeon Rice averaged 12 sacks/year for 10 seasons.

Kevin Hardy was one of the better LBs in the late 90s too. Knee injuries cut his career short.

 

[Utter Chaos]

1996

1. Keyshawn Johnson

2. Kevin Hardy

3. Simeon Rice

4. Jonathan Ogden

5. Cedric Jones

6. Lawrence Phillips

7. Terry Glenn

8. Tim Biakabutuka

9. Rickey Dudley

10. Willie Anderson

This is about as solid as it comes. Just because Lawrence Phillips and no stud QB is on the list doesn't make it a bad draft.

FIXED!

 

[Chaka]

19961. Keyshawn Johnson2. Kevin Hardy3. Simeon Rice4. Jonathan Ogden5. Cedric Jones6. Lawrence Phillips7. Terry Glenn8. Tim Biakabutuka9. Rickey Dudley10. Willie Anderson

While there are several busts, a Hall of Fame tackle and two solid WRs save this list. When you have a player as dominant as Ogden included in the list, I don't think you can call it a bust overall. But that raises the question: Does one outstanding player save a top ten?

Willie Anderson was an outstanding tackle too. Simeon Rice averaged 12 sacks/year for 10 seasons.

Kevin Hardy was one of the better LBs in the late 90s too. Knee injuries cut his career short.

True, Hardy was definitely solid.Those two were devastating at Illinois, plenty of OCs lost sleep scheming to stop that tandem.

 

[ckl81]

A friend and I were watching the Skins game, and noticed Mike Williams and Levi Jones playing for the Redskins. The conversation turned to what a bust they were, and especially how Buffalo blew it taking Mike Williams over Bryant McKinnie. Then we started thinking about that draft in general.1. Houston David Carr QB Fresno State2. Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina3. Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon4. Buffalo Mike Williams OT Texas5. San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas6. Kansas City Ryan Sims DT North Carolina7. Minnesota Bryant McKinnie OT Miami (Fla)8. Dallas Roy Williams SS Oklahoma9. Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee10. Cincinnati Levi Jones OT Arizona StateIs that the worst top-10 ever? Only 3 Pro-Bowlers in the bunch I believe (Peppers, McKinnie, Henderson). Some HUGE busts in Carr, Harrington, Jammer, Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Ryan Sims...What's your worst top-10 NFL draft?

Either you don't know football, or you don't watch the Chargers. Jammer may not have been worth of a top 5 pick (and he was pretty frustrating to watch his first few years in the league), but he is now an above average #1 corner in the NFL, that's definitely NOT a HUGE bust.

 

[switz]

A friend and I were watching the Skins game, and noticed Mike Williams and Levi Jones playing for the Redskins. The conversation turned to what a bust they were, and especially how Buffalo blew it taking Mike Williams over Bryant McKinnie. Then we started thinking about that draft in general.1. Houston David Carr QB Fresno State2. Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina3. Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon4. Buffalo Mike Williams OT Texas5. San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas6. Kansas City Ryan Sims DT North Carolina7. Minnesota Bryant McKinnie OT Miami (Fla)8. Dallas Roy Williams SS Oklahoma9. Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee10. Cincinnati Levi Jones OT Arizona StateIs that the worst top-10 ever? Only 3 Pro-Bowlers in the bunch I believe (Peppers, McKinnie, Henderson). Some HUGE busts in Carr, Harrington, Jammer, Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Ryan Sims...What's your worst top-10 NFL draft?

Either you don't know football, or you don't watch the Chargers. Jammer may not have been worth of a top 5 pick (and he was pretty frustrating to watch his first few years in the league), but he is now an above average #1 corner in the NFL, that's definitely NOT a HUGE bust.

Ok, take Jammer off the bust list, and put him as a player that hasn't lived up to his draft slot. You can do the same with Roy Williams if you wish.But neither of those players turned out to be the player the team expected at that spot.

 

[Mikey16x]

Call me crazy... but the NFL draft is gamble in itself. Sure, theoretically when you make a top 10 pick, your assuming that you'll get immediate production and a standout NFL player... but honestly... how many draft picks 1-10 every year actually make a seamless transition into the NFL? I'd say if you get 5 players out of the 10 that make a somewhat impact in the NFL, your ahead of the game and not too shabby.

Look at some talent around the league that get picked absolutely no where near the top 10...

Brady, Colston, Wes Welker, MJD and so on.

The 1-10 list is also saying that there were no errors while drafting. Your basically saying every player had gone where in fact they were supposed to, take DHB on the Raiders... no matter his purpose in the NFL, whether he finds his niche in special teams, situational player, deep threat... he will always be considered a bust.. but it's not his fault... it was Raiders fault. The real question is, how many of the guys were projected at the number that they were chosen.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

19961. Keyshawn Johnson2. Kevin Hardy3. Simeon Rice4. Jonathan Ogden5. Cedric Jones6. Lawrence Phillips7. Terry Glenn8. Tim Biakabutuka9. Rickey Dudley10. Willie Anderson

While there are several busts, a Hall of Fame tackle and two solid WRs save this list. When you have a player as dominant as Ogden included in the list, I don't think you can call it a bust overall. But that raises the question: Does one outstanding player save a top ten?

Willie Anderson was an outstanding tackle too. Simeon Rice averaged 12 sacks/year for 10 seasons.

Kevin Hardy was one of the better LBs in the late 90s too. Knee injuries cut his career short.

True, Hardy was definitely solid.Those two were devastating at Illinois, plenty of OCs lost sleep scheming to stop that tandem.

This wouldn't be at the top of the best drafts ever list, but it would be in the top half.

 

[rvmblack]

90 percent of the posts in this thread are of people who just don't watch football

 

[JJP]

90 percent of the posts in this thread are of people who just don't watch football

Would you consider the top 10 picks of 2002, 2005 or 2007 strong? Or even average, relative to other drafts?

 

[Chaka]

Are people still using the "You must not watch football" shtick? I thought Otis wore the knees out on that one.

 

[rvmblack]

Are people still using the "You must not watch football" shtick? I thought Otis wore the knees out on that one.

Have you read the comments on this thread?

 

[gregjcross]

I watch the draft very closely. Of the top 10 picks over the last twenty or so years, seems at least 40% become high caliber players quickly, 30% are good players not great ones and about 30% busts for whatever reason (and about 5% are incendiary busts like Ryan Leaf or Charles Rogers). You would like to see it as only 10% bust rate overall, but NFL GMs seem to make the same mistakes over and over, taking guys like OLB Vernon Gholston or DE Aundray Bruce even though it is well documented that they take plays off in college and are not mature nor motivated enough. There will always be busts, because the leap from college can be a big one.

 

[daveR]

1992?

1 Indianapolis Colts Steve Emtman DT Washington

2 Indianapolis Colts Quentin Coryatt LB Texas A&M

3 Los Angeles Rams Sean Gilbert DE Pittsburgh

4 Washington Redskins Desmond Howard WR Michigan

5 Green Bay Packers Terrell Buckley DB Florida State

6 Cincinnati Bengals David Klingler QB Houston

7 Miami Dolphins Troy Vincent DB Wisconsin

8 Atlanta Falcons Bob Whitfield T Stanford

9 Cleveland Browns Tommy Vardell RB Stanford

10 Seattle Seahawks Ray Roberts T Virginia

Hey, it got them Peyton Manning eventually.

For the short while these two were healthy, they did pretty well.

 

[Chaka]

Are people still using the "You must not watch football" shtick? I thought Otis wore the knees out on that one.

Have you read the comments on this thread?

I know I read this one:

90 percent of the posts in this thread are of people who just don't watch football

Are you referring to the first 90% or the second 90%?

 

[az_prof]

Almost all of these lists have a high bust rate when you consider how much they collectively were paid. To me, this proves that even more so than fantasy drafts there is a large error rate in the NFL draft and it is insane how much they pay rookies. When the NFL redoes the collective bargaining contract I hope they come up with a solution where rookies get a specified amount based on draft position (and much lower than currently) but that more money is then made available through raising salary cap for veteran FA's who have earned their money.

Also, if I have a draft pick in the top ten I would ALWAYS try to trade down for more picks unless the player there really was the best on our draft board and really did match our team need. Otherwise, deal for more picks.

 

[Mark87]

I'd be interested to see if there are more busts in the NFL draft than in the NBA Draft, for example

 

[CMU37484]

2005 Top Ten:

1. Alex Smith

2. Ronnie Brown

3. Braylon Edwards

4. Cedric Benson

5. Carnell Williams

6. Adam Jones

7. Troy Williamson

8. Antrel Rolle

9. Carlos Rodgers

10. Mike Williams

Ronnie Brown and Braylon Edwards are the only two Pro Bowlers. Brown is great but can't stay healthy (same for Cadillac) and Edwards is extremely inconsistent. The reemergence of Alex Smith and Benson makes this list look a lot better, but it's still pretty crappy for a top 10.

 

[poopdawg]

Jammer isn't a HUGE bust. He's not a shut down, dominant corner, but hes better than most.

He's not a top-5 draft pick DB, he's a 3rd round DB. That's BUST.

Not even close. The guys not a superstar but certainly not a bust. Way off on this one.

 

[Harjiran]

1992?1 Indianapolis Colts Steve Emtman DT Washington 2 Indianapolis Colts Quentin Coryatt LB Texas A&M 3 Los Angeles Rams Sean Gilbert DE Pittsburgh 4 Washington Redskins Desmond Howard WR Michigan 5 Green Bay Packers Terrell Buckley DB Florida State 6 Cincinnati Bengals David Klingler QB Houston 7 Miami Dolphins Troy Vincent DB Wisconsin 8 Atlanta Falcons Bob Whitfield T Stanford 9 Cleveland Browns Tommy Vardell RB Stanford 10 Seattle Seahawks Ray Roberts T Virginia

This.

 

[Don Quixote]

1992?

1 Indianapolis Colts Steve Emtman DT Washington

2 Indianapolis Colts Quentin Coryatt LB Texas A&M

3 Los Angeles Rams Sean Gilbert DE Pittsburgh

4 Washington Redskins Desmond Howard WR Michigan

5 Green Bay Packers Terrell Buckley DB Florida State

6 Cincinnati Bengals David Klingler QB Houston

7 Miami Dolphins Troy Vincent DB Wisconsin

8 Atlanta Falcons Bob Whitfield T Stanford

9 Cleveland Browns Tommy Vardell RB Stanford

10 Seattle Seahawks Ray Roberts T Virginia

Hey, it got them Peyton Manning eventually.

For the short while these two were healthy, they did pretty well.

I know Emtman's career was derailed by injuries, but I thought Coryatt was just a bust.