Would any of these Democrats have a chance at the nomination for Presidential candidate? (1 Viewer)

[rustycolts]

I know Murphy couldn't run , plus she isn't seeking reelection. What about the others?
Joe Manchin, Senator from W. Virgina ( 2010-

• Chair of the Senate Energy Committee (2021–), and Ranking Member of Senate Energy Committee (2019–2021)[37][38]
• Kyrsten Sinema, Senator from Arizona (2019–)[39][38][better source needed]

United States RepresentativesEdit​

• Sanford Bishop, United States Representative from Georgia's 2nd congressional district (1993–).[40]
• Jim Cooper, member of the United States House of Representatives from Tennessee's 5th congressional district (2003–) and Tennessee's 4th congressional district (1983–1995).[41]
• Jim Costa, member of the United States House of Representatives from California's 16th congressional district (2013–) and California's 20th congressional district (2005–2013), member of the California Senate from the 16th district (1995–2002), and member of the California State Assembly from the 30th district (1978–1994).[42]
• Henry Cuellar, member of the United States House of Representatives from Texas's 28th congressional district (2005–), 102nd Texas Secretary of State (2001), and member of the Texas House of Representatives (1987–2001).[43]
• Josh Gottheimer, member of the United States House of Representatives from New Jersey's 5th congressional district (2017–), attorney, and writer.[44]
• Stephanie Murphy, member of the United States House of Representatives from Florida's 7th congressional district (2017–).[45]
• Kurt Schrader, member of the United States House of Representatives from Oregon's 5th congressional district (2009–), member of the Oregon Senate from the 20th district (2003–2008), and member of the Oregon House of Representatives from the 23rd district (1997–2003).[46]
• David Scott, member of the United States House of Representatives from Georgia's 13th congressional district (2003–), Chair of the House Agriculture Committee (2021–), member of the Georgia State Senate from the 36th district (1983–2003), and member of the Georgia House of Representatives (1975–1983)

 

[sho nuff]

Are the top two just being thrown in because they have bucked the majority of the party a few times? Seems the types conservatives will claim they like being nominated...then they all vote for whoever the GOP nominates.

I think Cooper is not seeking re-election (mainly due to what has been done to the districts around Nashville...its awful). Don't see him taking the year or so to then make a run for POTUS. Nor do I see him overall as having the personality/persona needed to get there. A very good representative and a good man from my interactions with him.

I honestly don't know much about the others you mentioned but will look more into them.

 

[rustycolts]

I'm looking for a Dem candidate I could support in case Trump is the Republican nominee. Yes I did vote for Trump twice.

The thing is along with the economy, inflation and crime, divisiveness in the country is a big issue for me.

I also would say that even though she is a useful idiot and a Russian asset Tulsi would get my vote over Trump. Also as much as I like DeSantis she would also get my vote over him.

I just believe she would fight the MIC ( That Eisenhower warned us against )and keep us out of foreign conflicts. Maybe she could add a few more years to the 15 that we haven't been in a conflict somewhere in the world our whole history . This is just as important to me as just about anything else.

Yes I'm an isolationist bring our troops home from everywhere. No one will convince me otherwise.

 

[rustycolts]

Are the top two just being thrown in because they have bucked the majority of the party a few times? Seems the types conservatives will claim they like being nominated...then they all vote for whoever the GOP nominates.

I think Cooper is not seeking re-election (mainly due to what has been done to the districts around Nashville...its awful). Don't see him taking the year or so to then make a run for POTUS. Nor do I see him overall as having the personality/persona needed to get there. A very good representative and a good man from my interactions with him.

I honestly don't know much about the others you mentioned but will look more into them.

Blue dogs in the house of reps. First two are the only 2 dem Senators that I think are remotely moderate.

I'm really seeking info here.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I'm looking for a Dem candidate I could support in case Trump is the Republican nominee. Yes I did vote for Trump twice.

The thing is along with the economy, inflation and crime, divisiveness in the country is a big issue for me.

I also would say that even though she is a useful idiot and a Russian asset Tulsi would get my vote over Trump. Also as much as I like DeSantis she would also get my vote over him.

I just believe she would fight the MIC ( That Eisenhower warned us against )and keep us out of foreign conflicts. Maybe she could add a few more years to the 15 that we haven't been in a conflict somewhere in the world our whole history . This is just as important to me as just about anything else.

Yes I'm an isolationist bring our troops home from everywhere. No one will convince me otherwise.

Nobody you’d vote for would have a chance.

 

[Boston]

Are the top two just being thrown in because they have bucked the majority of the party a few times? Seems the types conservatives will claim they like being nominated...then they all vote for whoever the GOP nominates.

Exactly...just like Romney and McCain were and Cheney would be.

 

[sho nuff]

Are the top two just being thrown in because they have bucked the majority of the party a few times? Seems the types conservatives will claim they like being nominated...then they all vote for whoever the GOP nominates.

Exactly...just like Romney and McCain were and Cheney would be.

I did vote for McCain. Considered Romney but voted 3rd party that year.
And I absolutely would support Cheney over Biden or Harris and several other Dems at this point.

 

[rustycolts]

I'm looking for a Dem candidate I could support in case Trump is the Republican nominee. Yes I did vote for Trump twice.

The thing is along with the economy, inflation and crime, divisiveness in the country is a big issue for me.

I also would say that even though she is a useful idiot and a Russian asset Tulsi would get my vote over Trump. Also as much as I like DeSantis she would also get my vote over him.

I just believe she would fight the MIC ( That Eisenhower warned us against )and keep us out of foreign conflicts. Maybe she could add a few more years to the 15 that we haven't been in a conflict somewhere in the world our whole history . This is just as important to me as just about anything else.

Yes I'm an isolationist bring our troops home from everywhere. No one will convince me otherwise.

Nobody you’d vote for would have a chance.

Yea that's what I figured. There are no Scoop Jackson's and Eugene McCarthys anymore.

 

[Boston]

Are the top two just being thrown in because they have bucked the majority of the party a few times? Seems the types conservatives will claim they like being nominated...then they all vote for whoever the GOP nominates.

Exactly...just like Romney and McCain were and Cheney would be.

I did vote for McCain. Considered Romney but voted 3rd party that year.
And I absolutely would support Cheney over Biden or Harris and several other Dems at this point.

Out of curiosity what policies did you support from McCain over Obama?

 

[joffer]

Klobuchar was probably the most moderate candidate in 2020

 

[sho nuff]

Are the top two just being thrown in because they have bucked the majority of the party a few times? Seems the types conservatives will claim they like being nominated...then they all vote for whoever the GOP nominates.

Exactly...just like Romney and McCain were and Cheney would be.

I did vote for McCain. Considered Romney but voted 3rd party that year.
And I absolutely would support Cheney over Biden or Harris and several other Dems at this point.

Out of curiosity what policies did you support from McCain over Obama?

McCain...Free Trade, overall he was pragmatic in his thoughts overall on tax cuts (now, he moved over the years more towards support of tax cuts vs spending...but he was well reasoned in all of that...), his thoughts on defense spending, His overall approach on spending as one who was more fiscally conservative than others. His eventual thoughts on stem cell research, his thoughts on LGBT issues at the time were the more liberal of most in the GOP (while still not perfect).
And I just was not thinking Obama was ready at that time. For Obama's reelection...I went back and forth between Romney, Obama, and 3rd party and ultimately voted 3rd party.

 

[The General]

I know that Krysten Sinema has no chance. Manchin I think would have very long odds.

The rest I have never heard of so can't offer even a guess.

Out of curiosity why is it the Dems that have to have candidate that goes along with Republican ideas?

 

[timschochet]

I don’t think so Rusty. Klobuchar is your closest bet.

I have a similar problem- though not the same. I’m quite willing to vote for a liberal, like Biden, but I am NOT willing to vote for a socialist.

 

[rustycolts]

I know that Krysten Sinema has no chance. Manchin I think would have very long odds.

The rest I have never heard of so can't offer even a guess.

Out of curiosity why is it the Dems that have to have candidate that goes along with Republican ideas?

Not Republican ideas. Moderate ideas. Most importantly non intervention ideas. I'm sick and tired of our kids being killed in conflicts we have no business in.

 

[rustycolts]

I know that Krysten Sinema has no chance. Manchin I think would have very long odds.

The rest I have never heard of so can't offer even a guess.

Out of curiosity why is it the Dems that have to have candidate that goes along with Republican ideas?

Not Republican ideas. Moderate ideas. Most importantly nonintervention ideas. I'm sick and tired of our kids being killed in conflicts we have no business in.

don’t think so Rusty. Klobuchar is your closest bet.

Yes but I didn't really care for the way she went after Kavanagh. I don't remember her calling for the defunding of Police so that's a plus.

 

[The General]

I know that Krysten Sinema has no chance. Manchin I think would have very long odds.

The rest I have never heard of so can't offer even a guess.

Out of curiosity why is it the Dems that have to have candidate that goes along with Republican ideas?

Not Republican ideas. Moderate ideas. Most importantly non intervention ideas. I'm sick and tired of our kids being killed in conflicts we have no business in.

I would like to see some moderates on both sides gain some traction. For their part I’d like to see Republicans not select election denier screamers and stunt pullers. We are as much to blame I suppose as the nuts get headlines that we click on.

I don’t know about about most of these people but I would guess no further involvement in wars will be a popular platform so for that issue you should have a lot to choose from.

Moderate Dems that I am aware of (or those who I believe hold moderate positions on many issues) are:

Mayor Pete
Klobacher
Tim Ryan from Ohio
Michark Bennet and Hickenlooper from Colorado
Martin Heinrich from New Mexico (this dude looks like a Prez if we were casting a movie)
Jon Tester from Montana

I’d be happy to see any of these people get more of the stage.

 

[rustycolts]

Also to be clear if it was between Biden and Trump. I'd vote Trump lesser of two evils and all. Biden is the most divisive president in my lifetime.

 

[rustycolts]

Believe it or not I have voted for Dems for President before. Carter and Clinton 2nd term.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Also to be clear if it was between Biden and Trump. I'd vote Trump lesser of two evils and all. Biden is the most divisive president in my lifetime.

I can't go this far, but I hear what you are saying - the last two have been divisive, and it's natural to be against the one we believe is speaking ill of us.

 

[Captain Cranks]

Yea that's what I figured. There are no Scoop Jackson's and Eugene McCarthys anymore.

It's the same for me except coming from the opposite side. I'd genuinely be interested in a fiscally conservative, socially liberal candidate put up by the Republicans. John Kasich was my guy in '16 and Ron Paul in '12. Unfortunately, the Republican base isn't interested in such a person.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Also, @rustycolts - a side I use and poke around with is isidewith.com I am pretty sure you can also look into what candidates feel about each of the topics/questions in the survey. ie you could look into candidates that align with your seeking non-intervention ideas.

 

[sho nuff]

Also to be clear if it was between Biden and Trump. I'd vote Trump lesser of two evils and all. Biden is the most divisive president in my lifetime.

Im sorry, this is just hard to really grasp. Id put way ahead of Biden as far as division. And he isn't close to the next guy.
Id say Biden is the lesser of two evils. Trump is everything bad that Biden is...with the added divisiveness, added thinking he is above the law...just flat out dangerous.

 

[The General]

Yea that's what I figured. There are no Scoop Jackson's and Eugene McCarthys anymore.

It's the same for me except coming from the opposite side. I'd genuinely be interested in a fiscally conservative, socially liberal candidate put up by the Republicans. John Kasich was my guy in '16 and Ron Paul in '12. Unfortunately, the Republican base isn't interested in such a person.

Yep. Hopefully this knockoff version of Trump, looking at you Ron Desantis, either changes his shtick or someone else becomes the flavor of the month.

 

[rustycolts]

I appreciate the non snark I really am looking forward to learning about some moderate politicians from both sides. I really hope @BladeRunner is correct about Trump. He seems like a pretty smart guy so there is a good possibility he is correct.

Other than DeSantis (I wasn't always a fan of his. It's a long personal story) I like Tulsi and I know this will bring groans from a lot of you guys but Rand Paul is another favorite of mine. Due to his non intervention views.

 

[Joe Mammy]

Other than DeSantis (I wasn't always a fan of his. It's a long personal story) I like Tulsi and I know this will bring groans from a lot of you guys but Rand Paul is another favorite of mine. Due to his non intervention views.

Would you let Rand Paul work on your eyes? You admitted Tulsi is a Russian agent and you like her? DeSantis? GAG me with an ileostomy bag!

Oh, my. GROAN.

Probably enjoy tipping a can, a bowl and a fishing line with you but politics should not come up. LOL!

 

[Captain Cranks]

Yep. Hopefully this knockoff version of Trump, looking at you Ron Desantis, either changes his shtick or someone else becomes the flavor of the month.

This appears to be the kind of politics the base wants, regardless of whether it's Trump, Desantis, or whoever else. Tough on immigration, faux Christianity, take it to the libs. It may take several cycles of drubbings of this type of candidate before the base reconsiders. I know this moderate will never vote for that garbage.

 

[squistion]

Geez! Why would the Democrats support two Democrat senators who are consistently opposed to advancing the Democratic agenda like Manchin and Sinema for the party's nomination? Seriously it makes no sense at all...none.

 

[rustycolts]

Tulsi is a Russian agent and you like her? DeSantis? GAG me with an ileostomy bag!

I'm a very sarcastic guy, Tulsi is as far from those things as possible. I was very surprised by some people who I feel are very intelligent fell for that nonsense.

 

[rustycolts]

Probably enjoy tipping a can, a bowl and a fishing line with you but politics should not come up. LOL!

Anytime brother. Got some great fishing holes and I know a lot of good guides. Do a lot more Toking than I do drinking these days. Thanks to my wifes MM card.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Probably enjoy tipping a can, a bowl and a fishing line with you but politics should not come up. LOL!

Anytime brother. Got some great fishing holes and I know a lot of good guides. Do a lot more Toking than I do drinking these days. Thanks to my wifes MM card.

Oh ****- something we can agree on and have in common!

 

[rustycolts]

Also, @rustycolts - a side I use and poke around with is isidewith.com I am pretty sure you can also look into what candidates feel about each of the topics/questions in the survey. ie you could look into candidates that align with your seeking non-intervention ideas.

Pretty interesting here are my results. Some are a little surprising but not much .

My 2026 Ballot

iSideWith shows which candidates you side with based on the political issues selected most important to you. Try it now!

www.isidewith.com

I was really surprised by how little I agreed with Tulsi on 67%.

And for being a terrorist and fascist I only agreed with Trump 69%. So maybe I am just a semi fascist .

 

[KarmaPolice]

Also, @rustycolts - a side I use and poke around with is isidewith.com I am pretty sure you can also look into what candidates feel about each of the topics/questions in the survey. ie you could look into candidates that align with your seeking non-intervention ideas.

Pretty intersection here are my results.

My 2026 Ballot

iSideWith shows which candidates you side with based on the political issues selected most important to you. Try it now!

www.isidewith.com

I like seeing the 3rd party candidates there. I've done it a few times, and usually also mostly get 3rd party.

 

[rustycolts]

Misigoy is who I'm trying to get my fellow Floridians to vote for. I call him Mormon with a man bun.

 

[rustycolts]

Geez! Why would the Democrats support two Democrat senators who are consistently opposed to advancing the Democratic agenda like Manchin and Sinema for the party's nomination? Seriously it makes no sense at all...none.

squistion I'm not talking about who Democrats would support. I'm talking about a Democrat a non Democrat like myself could support.

 

[squistion]

Geez! Why would the Democrats support two Democrat senators who are consistently opposed to advancing the Democratic agenda like Manchin and Sinema for the party's nomination? Seriously it makes no sense at all...none.

squistion I'm not talking about who Democrats would support. I'm talking about a Democrat a non Democrat like myself could support.

If that is the case, then it wasn't clear in your OP, as you didn't ask if any had a chance at the nomination that non-Democrats would support.

Perhaps you should correct the OP and thread title to avoid any further confusion.

 

[rustycolts]

Geez! Why would the Democrats support two Democrat senators who are consistently opposed to advancing the Democratic agenda like Manchin and Sinema for the party's nomination? Seriously it makes no sense at all...none.

squistion I'm not talking about who Democrats would support. I'm talking about a Democrat a non Democrat like myself could support.

If that is the case, then it wasn't clear in your OP, as you didn't ask if any had a chance at the nomination that non-Democrats would support.

Perhaps you should correct the OP and thread title to avoid any further confusion.

I'll try to do better squistion I thought it was plain I was searching for a moderate Democrat I could support. Seems there are a handful in the House and possibly 2 in the Senate. I will say most didn't seem confused by what I was trying to say but what do I know. I am old and confused.

 

[flapgreen]

The handlers in the Biden Administration are fighting with all they have to provoke and start a war with Russia. I remember just a few short years ago how the delusional people were foaming at the mouth about Trump starting a nuclear war every other day. Now just a short time later, they're silent on the actual one being provoked right in front of their face because they are unable to separate themselves from a political party they worship. Their entire identities are tied up in politics. Believing it was all a lie would require an entire paradigm shift that they are unwilling to make. They'd much rather go down with the ship screaming something about Trump or the hot topic of the day that admit they were bamboozled. State of the world we live in now.

 

[flapgreen]

Geez! Why would the Democrats support two Democrat senators who are consistently opposed to advancing the Democratic agenda like Manchin and Sinema for the party's nomination? Seriously it makes no sense at all...none.

Everyone must think the same way! How could they not?! What's wrong with them?!

 

[sho nuff]

The handlers in the Biden Administration are fighting with all they have to provoke and start a war with Russia. I remember just a few short years ago how the delusional people were foaming at the mouth about Trump starting a nuclear war every other day. Now just a short time later, they're silent on the actual one being provoked right in front of their face because they are unable to separate themselves from a political party they worship. Their entire identities are tied up in politics. Believing it was all a lie would require an entire paradigm shift that they are unwilling to make. They'd much rather go down with the ship screaming something about Trump or the hot topic of the day that admit they were bamboozled. State of the world we live in now.

Well no, I don’t believe he is provoking war. And that has what to do with this topic?

 

[The Commish]

Geez! Why would the Democrats support two Democrat senators who are consistently opposed to advancing the Democratic agenda like Manchin and Sinema for the party's nomination? Seriously it makes no sense at all...none.

squistion I'm not talking about who Democrats would support. I'm talking about a Democrat a non Democrat like myself could support.

If that is the case, then it wasn't clear in your OP, as you didn't ask if any had a chance at the nomination that non-Democrats would support.

Perhaps you should correct the OP and thread title to avoid any further confusion.

OR....you can see the obvious context of a conservative asking about democrats that he could likely vote for. Im not sure there was a single other person who was confused by his ask.

 

[The General]

The handlers in the Biden Administration are fighting with all they have to provoke and start a war with Russia.

How so?

 

[lazyike]

I know that Krysten Sinema has no chance. Manchin I think would have very long odds.

The rest I have never heard of so can't offer even a guess.

Out of curiosity why is it the Dems that have to have candidate that goes along with Republican ideas?

Not Republican ideas. Moderate ideas. Most importantly non intervention ideas. I'm sick and tired of our kids being killed in conflicts we have no business in.

I would like to see some moderates on both sides gain some traction. For their part I’d like to see Republicans not select election denier screamers and stunt pullers. We are as much to blame I suppose as the nuts get headlines that we click on.

I don’t know about about most of these people but I would guess no further involvement in wars will be a popular platform so for that issue you should have a lot to choose from.

Moderate Dems that I am aware of (or those who I believe hold moderate positions on many issues) are:

Mayor Pete
Klobacher
Tim Ryan from Ohio
Michark Bennet and Hickenlooper from Colorado
Martin Heinrich from New Mexico (this dude looks like a Prez if we were casting a movie)
Jon Tester from Montana

I’d be happy to see any of these people get more of the stage.

Tester and Klobuchar would make a great ticket. My guess is Tester has no desire for anything higher than his Senate job.

 

[squistion]

Geez! Why would the Democrats support two Democrat senators who are consistently opposed to advancing the Democratic agenda like Manchin and Sinema for the party's nomination? Seriously it makes no sense at all...none.

squistion I'm not talking about who Democrats would support. I'm talking about a Democrat a non Democrat like myself could support.

If that is the case, then it wasn't clear in your OP, as you didn't ask if any had a chance at the nomination that non-Democrats would support.

Perhaps you should correct the OP and thread title to avoid any further confusion.

OR....you can see the obvious context of a conservative asking about democrats that he could likely vote for. Im not sure there was a single other person who was confused by his ask.

You have shown nothing but contempt for my posts for as long as I can remember. I asked you to stop quoting me and that worked for a while, but here we are again.

 

[waiver wire]

Geez! Why would the Democrats support two Democrat senators who are consistently opposed to advancing the Democratic agenda like Manchin and Sinema for the party's nomination? Seriously it makes no sense at all...none.

squistion I'm not talking about who Democrats would support. I'm talking about a Democrat a non Democrat like myself could support.

If that is the case, then it wasn't clear in your OP, as you didn't ask if any had a chance at the nomination that non-Democrats would support.

Perhaps you should correct the OP and thread title to avoid any further confusion.

OR....you can see the obvious context of a conservative asking about democrats that he could likely vote for. Im not sure there was a single other person who was confused by his ask.

You have shown nothing but contempt for my posts for as long as I can remember. I asked you to stop quoting me and that worked for a while, but here we are again.

just another one you should put on ignore or scroll by and dont answer
this way the thread doesnt get sidetracked again

 

[rustycolts]

Geez! Why would the Democrats support two Democrat senators who are consistently opposed to advancing the Democratic agenda like Manchin and Sinema for the party's nomination? Seriously it makes no sense at all...none.

squistion I'm not talking about who Democrats would support. I'm talking about a Democrat a non Democrat like myself could support.

If that is the case, then it wasn't clear in your OP, as you didn't ask if any had a chance at the nomination that non-Democrats would support.

Perhaps you should correct the OP and thread title to avoid any further confusion.

OR....you can see the obvious context of a conservative asking about democrats that he could likely vote for. Im not sure there was a single other person who was confused by his ask.

I know that Krysten Sinema has no chance. Manchin I think would have very long odds.

The rest I have never heard of so can't offer even a guess.

Out of curiosity why is it the Dems that have to have candidate that goes along with Republican ideas?

Not Republican ideas. Moderate ideas. Most importantly non intervention ideas. I'm sick and tired of our kids being killed in conflicts we have no business in.

I would like to see some moderates on both sides gain some traction. For their part I’d like to see Republicans not select election denier screamers and stunt pullers. We are as much to blame I suppose as the nuts get headlines that we click on.

I don’t know about about most of these people but I would guess no further involvement in wars will be a popular platform so for that issue you should have a lot to choose from.

Moderate Dems that I am aware of (or those who I believe hold moderate positions on many issues) are:

Mayor Pete
Klobacher
Tim Ryan from Ohio
Michark Bennet and Hickenlooper from Colorado
Martin Heinrich from New Mexico (this dude looks like a Prez if we were casting a movie)
Jon Tester from Montana

I’d be happy to see any of these people get more of the stage.

I'll do some research on those guys.

 

[rustycolts]

Also to be clear if it was between Biden and Trump. I'd vote Trump lesser of two evils and all. Biden is the most divisive president in my lifetime.

Im sorry, this is just hard to really grasp. Id put way ahead of Biden as far as division. And he isn't close to the next guy.
Id say Biden is the lesser of two evils. Trump is everything bad that Biden is...with the added divisiveness, added thinking he is above the law...just flat out dangerous.

Sho I know your basically a good guy. How can you not be you like to fish. However IMO you are wrong about who is the most divisive. I know you guys all said Biden didn't mean me when he Characterized half the country as fascists and terrorists. That's how I took it and so did many others. As a vet that was the biggest insult he could throw my way. Maybe he should have thought how some might take his speech. So yea I'd say he is the most divisive President in my lifetime.

 

[Genxersrule]

The handlers in the Biden Administration are fighting with all they have to provoke and start a war with Russia. I remember just a few short years ago how the delusional people were foaming at the mouth about Trump starting a nuclear war every other day. Now just a short time later, they're silent on the actual one being provoked right in front of their face because they are unable to separate themselves from a political party they worship. Their entire identities are tied up in politics. Believing it was all a lie would require an entire paradigm shift that they are unwilling to make. They'd much rather go down with the ship screaming something about Trump or the hot topic of the day that admit they were bamboozled. State of the world we live in now.

Biden's handlers forced Putin to invade Ukraine?

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'm looking for a Dem candidate I could support in case Trump is the Republican nominee. Yes I did vote for Trump twice.

The thing is along with the economy, inflation and crime, divisiveness in the country is a big issue for me.

I also would say that even though she is a useful idiot and a Russian asset Tulsi would get my vote over Trump. Also as much as I like DeSantis she would also get my vote over him.

I just believe she would fight the MIC ( That Eisenhower warned us against )and keep us out of foreign conflicts. Maybe she could add a few more years to the 15 that we haven't been in a conflict somewhere in the world our whole history . This is just as important to me as just about anything else.

Yes I'm an isolationist bring our troops home from everywhere. No one will convince me otherwise.

You could have the Pope run as a Republican Presidential nominee and the other side would be divisive. Biden tried to do the "uniter" thing and less than 2 years into his administration said "F it", my party is losing ground let's just run on a platform that will attack the other side. So now you have MAGA this and MAGA that and ULTRA MAGA rhetoric.

 

[Genxersrule]

Also to be clear if it was between Biden and Trump. I'd vote Trump lesser of two evils and all. Biden is the most divisive president in my lifetime.

Im sorry, this is just hard to really grasp. Id put way ahead of Biden as far as division. And he isn't close to the next guy.
Id say Biden is the lesser of two evils. Trump is everything bad that Biden is...with the added divisiveness, added thinking he is above the law...just flat out dangerous.

Sho I know your basically a good guy. How can you not be you like to fish. However IMO you are wrong about who is the most divisive. I know you guys all said Biden didn't mean me when he Characterized half the country as fascists and terrorists. That's how I took it and so did many others. As a vet that was the biggest insult he could throw my way. Maybe he should have thought how some might take his speech. So yea I'd say he is the most divisive President in my lifetime

Did he characterize half the country as fascists and terrorists? He said multiple times he's not referring to all republicans, only the extreme MAGA republicans. It seems like you're just looking for a reason to be outraged. You want divisive? Read a transcript of Trump's state of union addresses, he trashes democrats in every one and doesn't even try to appeal to anyone but his base.

 

[Boston]

Also to be clear if it was between Biden and Trump. I'd vote Trump lesser of two evils and all. Biden is the most divisive president in my lifetime.

Im sorry, this is just hard to really grasp. Id put way ahead of Biden as far as division. And he isn't close to the next guy.
Id say Biden is the lesser of two evils. Trump is everything bad that Biden is...with the added divisiveness, added thinking he is above the law...just flat out dangerous.

Sho I know your basically a good guy. How can you not be you like to fish. However IMO you are wrong about who is the most divisive. I know you guys all said Biden didn't mean me when he Characterized half the country as fascists and terrorists. That's how I took it and so did many others. As a vet that was the biggest insult he could throw my way. Maybe he should have thought how some might take his speech. So yea I'd say he is the most divisive President in my lifetime

Did he characterize half the country as fascists and terrorists? He said multiple times he's not referring to all republicans, only the extreme MAGA republicans. It seems like you're just looking for a reason to be outraged. You want divisive? Read a transcript of Trump's state of union addresses, he trashes democrats in every one and doesn't even try to appeal to anyone but his base.

It probably would have been better if he just went old school and called them deplorables or bitter clingers.