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Would Branch Still Be a Patriot (1 Viewer)

If Brady Threatened To Hold Out?

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David Yudkin

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I brought this up in a conversation with someone today. If we jump back to a few weeks ago, with Brady wanting to win and apparently on the verge of losing his #1 WR, if Tom threatened his own holdout if Branch was not re-signed would that have made any difference?

If you think about it, Brady makes so much money that the fines he would accrue would be drops in the ocean. CLEARLY the Pats would not do much without Brady at QB.

Have there been other cases where a player held out in order to get another player back? What sort of rules are there in taking a stand and going to bat for someone else?

So bottom line, if Brady made such a threat (and sounded convincing), would Branch have been re-signed and how quickly?

 
Interesting hypothetical...

I don't think there's any doubt the Pats would have to cave in at that point. They'd be nothing without Brady, and their fan base would go nuts if they played hard-ball with him.

 
Chad Pennington's not Tom Brady. Just to state the obvious.

:rolleyes:

I don't believe Coles was being a ##### and bashing the Jets every chance he got, but I could be wrong.

Mr. D

 
I voted no.

Branch was at least as responsible as the Patriots for not coming back - he just wanted to go elsewhere, the Patriots made him a fair offer. So Brady holding out to force the Patriots to "re-sign" Branch doesn't seem to make any sense.

Basically I can't think of a scenario under which this would ever actually happen.

 
Have there been other cases where a player held out in order to get another player back? What sort of rules are there in taking a stand and going to bat for someone else?
I don't think there are any rules against it, but I think it's unprecedented. Maybe offers to take pay cuts. I know Elway was playing for deferred money at the end. But, just on principle, was he worth it? You've got to look at the facts, and the fact is the Pats offered Branch a contract that gave him, even by Chayuts definition, a package that was a very nice contract, and top 20 WR money. Is Branch a top 20 WRin the NFL? I think so. That's where he was. Is he top 5, where Seattle is paying him? I don't think so. We'll find out. He has donned his last ring, I will say that. Seattles chance was last year. They will miss Hutch far more than anybody realizes. Spending that money on a WR will not solve the problem. Their 6 division games are not cake walks this year. All 3 teams can beat them. They were lucky to get by the Redskins last year to get there. I'll say it. Last year was a flukey year. I think Seattle is a fringe playoff team this year, even with Branch. It's only one game, but it's one game where the weather wasn't a factor, and the defending conference champs put up 9 points. Deion Branch is a very good player. He will not bring down a team. But, make no mistake, he's not the buy that is going to put a team over the top. Wasting $7.3 million of cap space over the next 3 years on him isn't the answer. He would have been a nice piece of the team in NE, but he didn't want to play there. That's the bottom line. Pay him that, and the business model is done, and NE never wins another championship. It's a successful model. You can criticize it, but it's success remains unrivaled in the cap era.In the end, I don't think it would have mattered. Branch was gone. He wanted too much money. Nothing would have held him there. Brady making that stand? Maybe that keeps him there. But, Brady never makes that stand, so it's a mute point.
 
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I voted yes, Branch would still be a Patriot. While Bellichick seems stupid enough to try starting his $13 million in unspent cap space at WR, there's no way he'd be stupid enough to start Matt Cassel at QB if he could at all avoid it.

For all the talk about the "Patriot Way" and how the Pats don't renegotiate existing contracts, everyone conveniently leaves out that the Patriots really had no compunction against renegotiating with Richard Seymour. That "Patriot Way" goes right out the window if it means their studs start missing games.

 
No. I think Deion was tired of New England and wanted new scenery.
Why does everyone keep saying this? Does anyone have a link? The only thing I ever heard on the situation was that Deion wanted money. I never heard anyone say that he cared who ponied up for him, only that someone did. If New England had offered him Reggie Wayne money, does anyone really believe he wouldn't still be in New England?Also, any comparisons between Branch's contract and the largest contracts in the NFL is crazy. The Salary Cap jumped so much this offseason that EVERYONE is going to be getting a lot more money. I think it's wrong to look at contracts in terms of total dollar value, I think it's better to look at those contracts in terms of how much of the cap they take up. A $36 million dollar contract under a $100 million cap is a heck of a lot less than a $36 million contract under an $80 million cap.
 
I voted yes, Branch would still be a Patriot. While Bellichick seems stupid enough to try starting his $13 million in unspent cap space at WR, there's no way he'd be stupid enough to start Matt Cassel at QB if he could at all avoid it.For all the talk about the "Patriot Way" and how the Pats don't renegotiate existing contracts, everyone conveniently leaves out that the Patriots really had no compunction against renegotiating with Richard Seymour. That "Patriot Way" goes right out the window if it means their studs start missing games.
The "Patriot way" is allocating your resources the best way possible. Paying elite talent top money is ok, as they are elite players and will be worth the investment. See Brady and Seymore as examples of players that are elite at their position. The Patriot way is also about not paying average players more money then they are worth. Branch is a better then average player that was asking for elite money. Seattle is going to start to ask themselves in a few years if they are getting their moneys worth out of Branch and I am willing to bet they will not be. Then
 
Seattles chance was last year. They will miss Hutch far more than anybody realizes. Spending that money on a WR will not solve the problem. Their 6 division games are not cake walks this year. All 3 teams can beat them. They were lucky to get by the Redskins last year to get there. I'll say it. Last year was a flukey year. I think Seattle is a fringe playoff team this year, even with Branch. It's only one game, but it's one game where the weather wasn't a factor, and the defending conference champs put up 9 points.
1) This is the best team that the Seahawks have ever fielded. Anyone who can't see that is kidding themselves. They are going to continue to dominate the NFC West and you can pencil them down for another undefeated home record this year.2) Flukey year? They beat every single team in the NFC East, DESTROYED the Panthers and then went on to give the Steelers everything that they could handle in the Super Bowl. 2) Lucky to get by the Redskins? The only team that was lucky in that game was the Redskins. Shaun Alexander went down with a concussion in the first quarter and they still couldn't beat the Seahawks. And in case your memory needs refreshing, the Seahawks defense absolutely dominated the Skins. 3) They didn't "spend that money" on a WR, they spent that money on Julian Peterson who is an absolute stud. The Seahawks very much have the makings of a championship defense and they showed that last sunday in Detroit. 4) Yes, the offense struggled mightily against Detroit, but the same thing happened to them in week 1 last year against the Jags. And that was with Steve "Greatest Guard of all time" Hutchinson in the lineup. The Seahawks rebounded then, and they'll rebound this year. On a side note, I have a feeling that Shaun Rogers and James Hall will dominate every o-line that they face this year.
 
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I voted yes, Branch would still be a Patriot. While Bellichick seems stupid enough to try starting his $13 million in unspent cap space at WR, there's no way he'd be stupid enough to start Matt Cassel at QB if he could at all avoid it.For all the talk about the "Patriot Way" and how the Pats don't renegotiate existing contracts, everyone conveniently leaves out that the Patriots really had no compunction against renegotiating with Richard Seymour. That "Patriot Way" goes right out the window if it means their studs start missing games.
The "Patriot way" is allocating your resources the best way possible. Paying elite talent top money is ok, as they are elite players and will be worth the investment. See Brady and Seymore as examples of players that are elite at their position. The Patriot way is also about not paying average players more money then they are worth. Branch is a better then average player that was asking for elite money. Seattle is going to start to ask themselves in a few years if they are getting their moneys worth out of Branch and I am willing to bet they will not be.
I am not suggesting the following WILL happen, but for ha-ha's . . .If SEA goes on to win the SB this year and another in a couple years while NE is bounced in the first round of the playoffs this season and in the next few years does not win a SB, then does SEA management look like geniuses while NE looks like dummies?What I think is humorous is that SEA is labeled as "playing to win now" by adding Branch. Does that mean NE is playing to win LATER because they traded him? Of all teams, I think NE is always playing to "win now" but chose to jettison Branch. Can we view this as the Pats playing for next year?One certainly can argue that they did not go all out to field a great team this year. They lost Branch, Givens, Vinatieri, McGinnest, and other role players from last season and replaced them with essentially their draft picks but very few free agents. They are also millions and millions of dollars under the cap. They are a SB contender . . . why not go all out to make a run? Even if not "all out," maybe partway?I'm not saying that the Pats are not a good team, but they certainly have chosen not to bring a lot of proven talent in and let key cogs walk. Whether they were worth keeping is another argument, but N.E. did not really take the money they saved by not re-signing those players and invest it in others. For the most part, they basically are still sitting on a huge cap surplus. They brought in Caldwell and Gabriel and some other small fish, but no one on the surface that looks like a top shelf or even above average talent. Maybe the new signees will do something, but for now it looks like the old guys and the draft picks are the ones being asked to contribute this year.Given that the Pats typically have spent up to the cap, I have no idea what they plan to do with the money. Last I saw, they were $13 million under the cap and not having to pay Branch will add back another million. The Pats are not strapped for cash in any way, shape, or form, and even if they manage to roll over the surplus into next year's cap, they still have shown they are not keen on spending money. Other than Colvin, who have they spend much money on in terms of attracting name free agents?IMO, NE was in position to make another serious run at the SB this year but have done very little to improve the team AT ALL since the draft. They are still a good team but have some depth issues (and starting issues at WR). Had they gone out and spent the double digit millions they are under the cap, IMO they would be one of the top 3 teams in the AFC but now are basically a top 6-8 team that will likely make the playoffs due to the division they are in and the benefit of an easy schedule.I still think NE can go out and post a dozen wins, but I don't think they are a top tier team. Coaching can only take you so far, and IMO the LB depth is an issue, they are still potentially soft against the run, and the secondary is above average but nothing to write home about. The OL could be solid but didn't show much pass protection wise against the Bills. And the WR options at this point are probably the worst or close to it in the league. Obviously QB, RB, and TE are strengths, but they still have a bunch of ??? that a true SB contender probably wouldn't have.I've seen the Pats win with injuries and succeed in improbable situations, but if they suffer key injuries again I don't see the cavalry coming in to save them.As Brady said, the playoffs don't start in September and they have a long way to refine things until them, but on paper I think this Patriots team is a notch or two below what they've been fielding the past 5 years.
 
I voted yes, Branch would still be a Patriot. While Bellichick seems stupid enough to try starting his $13 million in unspent cap space at WR, there's no way he'd be stupid enough to start Matt Cassel at QB if he could at all avoid it.For all the talk about the "Patriot Way" and how the Pats don't renegotiate existing contracts, everyone conveniently leaves out that the Patriots really had no compunction against renegotiating with Richard Seymour. That "Patriot Way" goes right out the window if it means their studs start missing games.
The "Patriot way" is allocating your resources the best way possible. Paying elite talent top money is ok, as they are elite players and will be worth the investment. See Brady and Seymore as examples of players that are elite at their position. The Patriot way is also about not paying average players more money then they are worth. Branch is a better then average player that was asking for elite money. Seattle is going to start to ask themselves in a few years if they are getting their moneys worth out of Branch and I am willing to bet they will not be. Then
The Patriot Way is allocating your resources the best way possible? Is that $13 million in cap space better allocated on ABSOLUTELY NOTHING than it is on Deion Branch? Does thin air do more to help the Patriots win than Deion Branch would? I would think that spending that money on something, ANYTHING, would be a better allocation of resources than spending it on absolutely nothing. Do you disagree?
 

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