Would you make the trade for Osuna? (1 Viewer)

[dutch]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/trading-roberto-osuna-houston-astros-show-no-conscience-134758777.html

This article by Jeff Passan gives a no hold barred indictment of Jeff Lunhow and the Astros organization for taking on Robert Osuna who, talented as he may be, allegedly...beat the ever loving heck out of his girlfriend, beat her to the point that he effed up her face so bad the police were horrified by the images.

Are there some things so wrong in your opinion as to make a player untouchable even if they face and complete legal or professional punishment?  It opens a can of worms for sure but I do think individual incidents can be parsed by degree, type and severity and can be personally litigated on an organizational level to determine on a case by case basis.  For me, I find Osuna's alleged brutality so awful as to render him toxic and would have a hard time finding a way to justifying bringing him on.  As for the Atro's, they instituted a zero tolerance policy with regards to doemstic violens and already have a precedence with a player they jettisoned so I can't see how this move on their part is anything but blatant hypocricy.

 

[Chemical X]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/trading-roberto-osuna-houston-astros-show-no-conscience-134758777.html

This article by Jeff Passan gives a no hold barred indictment of Jeff Lunhow and the Astros organization for taking on Robert Osuna who, talented as he may be, allegedly...beat the ever loving heck out of his girlfriend, beat her to the point that he effed up her face so bad the police were horrified by the images.

Are there some things so wrong in your opinion as to make a player untouchable even if they face and complete legal or professional punishment?  It opens a can of worms for sure but I do think individual incidents can be parsed by degree, type and severity and can be personally litigated on an organizational level to determine on a case by case basis.  For me, I find Osuna's alleged brutality so awful as to render him toxic and would have a hard time finding a way to justifying bringing him on.  As for the Atro's, they instituted a zero tolerance policy with regards to doemstic violens and already have a precedence with a player they jettisoned so I can't see how this move on their part is anything but blatant hypocricy.

I think sports teams are afraid of having a no tolerance policy, especially in the NFL, when so many players seem in trouble.  Where does your team draw the line?  Domestic violence, DUI, gun charge, drug suspension, other?  My Mets have recently employed reyes, familia, colon, krod, mejia.  Jets had Vick and now have Donoghue, Robby Anderson, Isaiah Crowell and multiple others.  Knicks had Cleanthony Early shot at 4a at a strip club. 

If you don't sign or trade for these guys, you know someone else will......

 

[dutch]

Oh yeah, I get the idea that being a moral policeman is challenging especially in todays age of social media and instant news but I also think if you apply a policy dictated by weighing individual cases instead of blanket coverage you can reasonably justify some instances over others even within the same realm of wrong doing.  Case in point, one DUI with no harm or injury I can see keeping a player around but in the Leonard Little case not only did he commit a fatal DUI after which he continued to play for the Rams, he followed up by getting arrested again for another dui and that would been instant drop for me.

The Osuna case seems so egregious on it's merits but what makes the trade really head scartching is the Astros supposedly having a zero tolerance policy in place which they've already applied in one instance.  Either you stand behind your policy or you throw it away and come clean with everyone that you are only in it to win at any cost.

""Quite frankly,” Luhnow said, “I believe that you can have a zero-tolerance policy and also have an opportunity to give people second chances when they have made mistakes in the past in other organizations. That’s kind of how we put those two things together.”

Quite frankly, that is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.

Luhnow essentially said the Astros’ willingness to look past a man allegedly abusing a woman depends on his employer. If it is one of 29 other baseball teams, the Astros will welcome him. If he already plays for the Astros, the player is persona non grata. Luhnow invoked the 2016 case of Danry Vasquez, a former Houston prospect who was released after he viciously beat his girlfriend in a stairwell at a Double-A stadium. This was a proper decision by the Astros, and when the video of the incident came out four months ago, two Astros pitchers tweeted their feelings about it.