Would you work in the World Trade Center? (1 Viewer)

[kentric]

You probably shouldn't ever swim in an ocean or river again.

Or get on a plane.

Or drive a car.

Or go to sleep (people die in bed all the time you know).

Or...

Good comparison.

I agree, choosing to do these things is way more risky than working in the World Trade Center.

I accept the risk on things I have to do. (Pick up milk from the store; sleep at night.)I mitigate the risk on things I choose to do. (Don't swim in riptides, or stray too far from shore, or splash about with seal fat in my pockets)

Where there is risk, and no way to mitigate it, and I'm free to choose? Why bother with the headache? (I do not skydive, and have no interest in doing so. I do not fault those who choose to partake. Ditto WTC jobs.)

If someone wants to work there, that is fine and nothing wrong with it, but I personally wouldn't be comfortable. They are also having a lot of difficulty bringing in tenants and are projected to be just over 50% rented when it opens... Agree or disagree with the aforementioned, but terrorism def plays a role in the difficulty of finding tenants.

Does it? Prices for higher floors are actually more so that would seem to refute your point. I imagine price is the biggest hindrance especially with finance companies facing more constraints and shipping jobs to lower cost of living places.Personally, I wouldn't be too concerned. Hijacking a plane isn't really possible anymore and the building is structurally designed to resist most anything. A structural engineer who was designing it said they were getting random loads and forces from a firm that deals with explosives and the like.

They just cut pricing by 10% and haven't had any takers since.

Do you have rates of local, new class A buildings for comparison ($/sq ft)? I'd be interested in how they compare. Just saying they had a 10% cut could not mean anything of substance if they're asking for 30% above market.

 

[sporthenry]

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303903304579586270070420060

This article from a few months ago said the 10% cut to $69 was still $20 more than other deals going for around $50 downtown. Also mentions, as Shiek mentioned, that the initial WTCs had difficulties with tenants.

 

[Rayderr]

You probably shouldn't ever swim in an ocean or river again.

Or get on a plane.

Or drive a car.

Or go to sleep (people die in bed all the time you know).

Or...

Good comparison.

I agree, choosing to do these things is way more risky than working in the World Trade Center.

I accept the risk on things I have to do. (Pick up milk from the store; sleep at night.)I mitigate the risk on things I choose to do. (Don't swim in riptides, or stray too far from shore, or splash about with seal fat in my pockets)

Where there is risk, and no way to mitigate it, and I'm free to choose? Why bother with the headache? (I do not skydive, and have no interest in doing so. I do not fault those who choose to partake. Ditto WTC jobs.)

If someone wants to work there, that is fine and nothing wrong with it, but I personally wouldn't be comfortable. They are also having a lot of difficulty bringing in tenants and are projected to be just over 50% rented when it opens... Agree or disagree with the aforementioned, but terrorism def plays a role in the difficulty of finding tenants.

Does it? Prices for higher floors are actually more so that would seem to refute your point. I imagine price is the biggest hindrance especially with finance companies facing more constraints and shipping jobs to lower cost of living places.Personally, I wouldn't be too concerned. Hijacking a plane isn't really possible anymore and the building is structurally designed to resist most anything. A structural engineer who was designing it said they were getting random loads and forces from a firm that deals with explosives and the like.

They just cut pricing by 10% and haven't had any takers since.

What is that price in relation to other properties? Are other properties more expensive?

And let's not forget the economy is still kinda in the tank. Businesses aren't going to move there unless it makes financial sense, and businesses aren't growing fast enough to warrant that much of sudden increase in office space in NYC.

 

[fantasycurse42]

You probably shouldn't ever swim in an ocean or river again.

Or get on a plane.

Or drive a car.

Or go to sleep (people die in bed all the time you know).

Or...

Good comparison.

I agree, choosing to do these things is way more risky than working in the World Trade Center.

I accept the risk on things I have to do. (Pick up milk from the store; sleep at night.)I mitigate the risk on things I choose to do. (Don't swim in riptides, or stray too far from shore, or splash about with seal fat in my pockets)

Where there is risk, and no way to mitigate it, and I'm free to choose? Why bother with the headache? (I do not skydive, and have no interest in doing so. I do not fault those who choose to partake. Ditto WTC jobs.)

If someone wants to work there, that is fine and nothing wrong with it, but I personally wouldn't be comfortable. They are also having a lot of difficulty bringing in tenants and are projected to be just over 50% rented when it opens... Agree or disagree with the aforementioned, but terrorism def plays a role in the difficulty of finding tenants.

Does it? Prices for higher floors are actually more so that would seem to refute your point. I imagine price is the biggest hindrance especially with finance companies facing more constraints and shipping jobs to lower cost of living places.Personally, I wouldn't be too concerned. Hijacking a plane isn't really possible anymore and the building is structurally designed to resist most anything. A structural engineer who was designing it said they were getting random loads and forces from a firm that deals with explosives and the like.

They just cut pricing by 10% and haven't had any takers since.

What is that price in relation to other properties? Are other properties more expensive?

If this was pre-9/11 this would be done quickly. As of now, the only major company in the building is Conde Nast. With the tax incentives to be a tenant, it works out to $60 a foot for tenants below the 64th floor, which is slightly above the $50's others are paying in the area.

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303903304579586270070420060

This article from a few months ago said the 10% cut to $69 was still $20 more than other deals going for around $50 downtown. Also mentions, as Shiek mentioned, that the initial WTCs had difficulties with tenants.

This leaves out the tax incentives companies are getting for being tenants which brings net down to about $60, compared to the low $50's.

So far they only have one major taker, Conde Nast.

 

[fantasycurse42]

For all of the #### a lot of people talk about NYC, this is something that is awesome.

http://i.imgur.com/oepotPf.jpg

This is pleasant to look at out of your window. I can only imagine tropical or coastal places have such enjoyable scenery too. This puts me in a good mood on slow days like today just looking out the window.

 

[TheIronSheik]

For all of the #### a lot of people talk about NYC, this is something that is awesome.

http://i.imgur.com/oepotPf.jpg

This is pleasant to look at out of your window. I can only imagine tropical or coastal places have such enjoyable scenery too. This puts me in a good mood on slow days like today just looking out the window.

I am not a city person. Hate crowded places. No disrespect to NYC. Just not for me. The weekend I was up there, I felt like I was in prison. Ride the subway for 40 minutes and I'm still in the city. People every where. No where to be alone. Even up on the 17th floor of my buddy's apartment, if you looked out the window, there were at least 100 people who were looking back at you.

When we crossed the bridge out of Manhattan, I felt like a huge weight had been lifted off of my shoulders. I am definitely a country boy, through and through. I have cowboy boots that I wear to work to help prove it.

 

[Freelove]

For all of the #### a lot of people talk about NYC, this is something that is awesome.

http://i.imgur.com/oepotPf.jpg

This is pleasant to look at out of your window. I can only imagine tropical or coastal places have such enjoyable scenery too. This puts me in a good mood on slow days like today just looking out the window.

Imagine the sheer, mind-bending quantities of sewage, man.

 

[McGarnicle]

I would gladly work on the top floor. Love that part of NYC, and that would be the best view around. I'd want to live downtown too.

 

[NutterButter]

I wouldn't mainly b/c i see no reason to take the added risk. There's plenty of places to work in NYC. No reason to work in the most likely target.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

 

[lod01]

20% isn't cutting it to work in that sewer.

 

[Koya]

Raise wouldn't be necessary. If my job were to be there it would have no bearing on my choice - though I'd be proud to work there, honestly.

#### the terrorists.

The one thing that might keep me from doing it is the commute.

 

[Freelove]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

 

[NutterButter]

I'd expect more like 40% between working in NJ suburbs vs NYC. I got up closer to 50% for few years before it came back down and I headed back to the burbs.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.

Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

 

[sporthenry]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.

Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

So by your last sentence, you're being disrespectful? Or just purposely obtuse?

 

[McGarnicle]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Please nobody take this bait. Don't even respond.

 

[tonydead]

Please nobody take this bait. Don't even respond.

I'd work there. Isn't it about the same question as flying? I do know some people who have refused to fly since.

 

[Freelove]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.

Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

It doesn't matter. Wrong audience, wrong time. No guilt trip.

 

[sporthenry]

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303903304579586270070420060

This article from a few months ago said the 10% cut to $69 was still $20 more than other deals going for around $50 downtown. Also mentions, as Shiek mentioned, that the initial WTCs had difficulties with tenants.

This leaves out the tax incentives companies are getting for being tenants which brings net down to about $60, compared to the low $50's.

So far they only have one major taker, Conde Nast.

So firms still have to pay more for the space? I haven't read anywhere where this has to do with the threat of terrorism. As the article states, they've had trouble in the past before 9/11. They rely on a lot of governmental agencies. The economy is still relatively weak and firms are cutting costs across the board which usually means lower rent and salaries, which in turn mean jobs leaving. And on top of all this, you can get a place down the street for 10-15% cheaper?

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303903304579586270070420060

This article from a few months ago said the 10% cut to $69 was still $20 more than other deals going for around $50 downtown. Also mentions, as Shiek mentioned, that the initial WTCs had difficulties with tenants.

This leaves out the tax incentives companies are getting for being tenants which brings net down to about $60, compared to the low $50's.

So far they only have one major taker, Conde Nast.

So firms still have to pay more for the space? I haven't read anywhere where this has to do with the threat of terrorism. As the article states, they've had trouble in the past before 9/11. They rely on a lot of governmental agencies. The economy is still relatively weak and firms are cutting costs across the board which usually means lower rent and salaries, which in turn mean jobs leaving. And on top of all this, you can get a place down the street for 10-15% cheaper?

If you don't think the fear of terrorism, or attracting candidates to a company based off of their fear of terrorism isn't having an impact here, you are welcome to that opinion...

I wholeheartedly disagree.

 

[msommer]

Don't they say that planes never hit the same place twice?

Or is that artillery?

Or lightning?

I get confused...

 

[D-Day]

I'd take the job manning the anti air gun.

 

[FUBAR]

20% doesn't nearly cover cost of living adjustment, and I wouldn't want to live in NY... but regarding the point of your question - why not?

The building is prob the number 1 terrorist target in the world. They are having a tough time finding tenants.

It was a target twice in 8 years and on the second try they took it down and killed 3,000 people, I personally wouldn't feel comfortable working there.

understand that people are reluctant to work there, but we do more dangerous things every day.

 

[FUBAR]

BTW, the chance to have a 75 floor view from the WTC and a pay raise? sign me up now.

Climbing the stairs would be a good workout.

 

[NCCommish]

I don't feel like doing the research, but didn't they have trouble filling the original WTC when it first opened, too? It'll get filled.

it took over ten years to fill the space originally.

 

[EYLive]

Yes and yes.

I used to work in a building where our reception area was on the 60th floor. You can just about see the curvature of the earth from up there. 75+ floors is kind of a waste when it comes to a view since everything below would be tiny.

 

[EYLive]

BTW, the chance to have a 75 floor view from the WTC and a pay raise? sign me up now.

Climbing the stairs would be a good workout.

Full fire drills would destroy your quads though.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

It doesn't matter. Wrong audience, wrong time. No guilt trip.

Not starting any damn debate. I answered the question and explained why I answered it that way and then you started your crap

 

[Freelove]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

It doesn't matter. Wrong audience, wrong time. No guilt trip.

Not starting any damn debate. I answered the question and explained why I answered it that way and then you started your crap

Ok. GL.

 

[FUBAR]

BTW, the chance to have a 75 floor view from the WTC and a pay raise? sign me up now.

Climbing the stairs would be a good workout.

Full fire drills would destroy your quads though.

Can we put in a water slide?

 

[MC Gas Money]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

It doesn't matter. Wrong audience, wrong time. No guilt trip.

Not starting any damn debate. I answered the question and explained why I answered it that way and then you started your crap

Ok. GL.

Not everyone with a different opinion than you is trying to start a debate or trying to convince you of anything, so you dont get to have the gall to think you can scold another person like a child because you dont agree.

By doing that you started the arguement, not me

 

[FUBAR]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

It doesn't matter. Wrong audience, wrong time. No guilt trip.

Not starting any damn debate. I answered the question and explained why I answered it that way and then you started your crap

Ok. GL.

Not everyone with a different opinion than you is trying to start a debate or trying to convince you of anything, so you dont get to have the gall to think you can scold another person like a child because you dont agree.

By doing that you started the arguement, not me

would you both shut up?

 

[Freelove]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

It doesn't matter. Wrong audience, wrong time. No guilt trip.

Not starting any damn debate. I answered the question and explained why I answered it that way and then you started your crap

Ok. GL.

Not everyone with a different opinion than you is trying to start a debate or trying to convince you of anything, so you dont get to have the gall to think you can scold another person like a child because you dont agree.

By doing that you started the arguement, not me

I never said I disagreed with you. Merely looking out for you, since you seem to wonder why people are up in arms against you. You'd be surprised at some of the fringe #### I believe and/or blame **** Cheney for.

Still, GL. In life, remember who your supporters are.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

It doesn't matter. Wrong audience, wrong time. No guilt trip.

Not starting any damn debate. I answered the question and explained why I answered it that way and then you started your crap

Ok. GL.

Not everyone with a different opinion than you is trying to start a debate or trying to convince you of anything, so you dont get to have the gall to think you can scold another person like a child because you dont agree.

By doing that you started the arguement, not me

I like how you have the ability to let things go, and essentially allow them to die down.

 

[Tchula]

No because it is in New York.

 

[RUSF18]

I'd take the job if, on my first day, I was able to throw a certain someone off the roof.

 

[EYLive]

He ALMOST makes me miss LHUCKS.

 

[Freelove]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

It doesn't matter. Wrong audience, wrong time. No guilt trip.

Not starting any damn debate. I answered the question and explained why I answered it that way and then you started your crap

Ok. GL.

Not everyone with a different opinion than you is trying to start a debate or trying to convince you of anything, so you dont get to have the gall to think you can scold another person like a child because you dont agree.

By doing that you started the arguement, not me

would you both shut up?

Not effing likely.

Problem for you, cupcake?

 

[McGarnicle]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

It doesn't matter. Wrong audience, wrong time. No guilt trip.

Not starting any damn debate. I answered the question and explained why I answered it that way and then you started your crap

Yeah, you're not a troll and honestly believe our gov't blew up the WTC. Get lost.

 

[NCCommish]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

So silly.

 

[FUBAR]

Sure. The government isnt going to blow up the same target again. People only fall for that once.

It's this sort of thing that lets your sympathy tap run dry. Even if it were true, so not the time.

This is my 100% honest answer. I wouldnt be afraid to be in the building. Dont try to lay some guilt trip on me for what I believe (know) happened there and it is in no way disrespectful.Not wanting to know the truth of the event is what is truly disrespectful.

It doesn't matter. Wrong audience, wrong time. No guilt trip.

Not starting any damn debate. I answered the question and explained why I answered it that way and then you started your crap

Ok. GL.

Not everyone with a different opinion than you is trying to start a debate or trying to convince you of anything, so you dont get to have the gall to think you can scold another person like a child because you dont agree.By doing that you started the arguement, not me

would you both shut up?

Not effing likely. Problem for you, cupcake?

Yeah, I'll have to test the ignore function, croissant.

 

[dparker713]

Biggest issue for me would be the extra elevator time - it adds up. But, yes and yes.

 

[Apple Jack]

Biggest issue for me would be the extra elevator time - it adds up. But, yes and yes.

EZ Pass elevators to the rescue.

 

[EYLive]

Biggest issue for me would be the extra elevator time - it adds up. But, yes and yes.

Ears popping would be annoying too.

 

[TLEF316]

Don't think I could do it. That building scares me. They might as well put a bullseye on it.

I'm not usually someone who gets worried over "stuff that might happen" but that building just makes me so nervous.

 

[fantasycurse42]

It is a sick complex http://i.imgur.com/3VN44Xr.jpg

They're still putting more up too.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Open and operating starting today

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Conde-Nast-First-Employees-Move-Into-One-World-Trade-Center--281251291.html