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So we are in the 1st year of a dynasty league and this guy (who has Portis and LT2....he made a bunch of draft day trades to get top 2 of 3 picks in the draft) got Steve Smith from the other guy (who is having a horrible year) for his top 3 draft picks next year (which will be below 8 or 9 at least every round since this guy will go to the playoffs and the2nd year dynasty league draft is not serpentine)

All of the other owners seem to be up in arms on this. Are we correct to have a beef here given Smith is a young stud, so the guy losing him in a dynasty league is not giving up an old playmaker with less potential. What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.

Thoughts?

 
If I showed you some of the trade offered to me in my dynasty league you would not believe they were serious.

Nothing is surprising to me anymore when a team is out of the playoffs and wants to build for next year.

That being said the trade in your post was horrible.

 
What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.Thoughts?
THIS PART doesn't matter at all. He doesn't have to.
:goodposting: . Sounds like you're upset that one of the top teams made a shrewd move to improve. Also, it's hard to say whether or not this was a fair deal in a dynasty league but I don't think it's outrageous.
 
If I showed you some of the trade offered to me in my dynasty league you would not believe they were serious.Nothing is surprising to me anymore when a team is out of the playoffs and wants to build for next year.That being said the trade in your post was horrible.
Being offered is one thing and actually accepting it is another. I get terrible offers all the time. But for a 1st year dynasty league, this trade could easily ruin the entire league and is a classic eg of why many dynasty leagues fail. I am of the proponent (and I told the Commish) that there should be no trading of future year draft picks allowed. Only draft picks during drafts should be allowed to be traded.
 
What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.Thoughts?
THIS PART doesn't matter at all. He doesn't have to.
Agreed 100% he does not have to. But then, it does make the rest of the league members wonder if there is collusion involved here. Look, if he had made a post on the league site that Smith is available since I want to rebuild and I will trade him for the best offer I get in next 3 days, and if the best offer he got was the one in the 1st post, that is fair IMO. Also, if he has caveats like he will not trade him within his division, I can understand that too. But what transpired here is not just a one sided trade but does beg the question on whether it is collusion.
 
If I showed you some of the trade offered to me in my dynasty league you would not believe they were serious.Nothing is surprising to me anymore when a team is out of the playoffs and wants to build for next year.That being said the trade in your post was horrible.
Being offered is one thing and actually accepting it is another. I get terrible offers all the time. But for a 1st year dynasty league, this trade could easily ruin the entire league and is a classic eg of why many dynasty leagues fail. I am of the proponent (and I told the Commish) that there should be no trading of future year draft picks allowed. Only draft picks during drafts should be allowed to be traded.
I thought it was pretty standard to be able to trade picks away, mostly one year in advance, some leagues even go 2 or 3 years down the line. Not sure how this trade would ruin a league...
 
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If I showed you some of the trade offered to me in my dynasty league you would not believe they were serious.Nothing is surprising to me anymore when a team is out of the playoffs and wants to build for next year.That being said the trade in your post was horrible.
Being offered is one thing and actually accepting it is another. I get terrible offers all the time. But for a 1st year dynasty league, this trade could easily ruin the entire league and is a classic eg of why many dynasty leagues fail. I am of the proponent (and I told the Commish) that there should be no trading of future year draft picks allowed. Only draft picks during drafts should be allowed to be traded.
I thought it was pretty standard to be able to trade picks away, mostly one year in advance, some leagues even go 2 or 3 years down the line. Not sure how this trade would ruin a league...
Because at least 4 owners are extremely disgruntled because of this, and now you have one extremely powerful team (LT, Portis and Steve Smith in a PPR league...yikes) and one extremely horrible team for the near future of at least this and next year (the team that traded Smith away). A recipe for teams either quitting quickly or more teams now looking at such collusion acitivity after realizing that is the only way to compete. It is completely understandable if someone gave away a stud knowing they were getting a draft pick that would give them a Reggie Bush. But here, you do not have that since no one knows about the draft next year yet. Also, the 3 picks this guy gets will all be end of each round (maybe even last pick every round).
 
What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.Thoughts?
THIS PART doesn't matter at all. He doesn't have to.
Agreed 100% he does not have to. But then, it does make the rest of the league members wonder if there is collusion involved here. Look, if he had made a post on the league site that Smith is available since I want to rebuild and I will trade him for the best offer I get in next 3 days, and if the best offer he got was the one in the 1st post, that is fair IMO. Also, if he has caveats like he will not trade him within his division, I can understand that too. But what transpired here is not just a one sided trade but does beg the question on whether it is collusion.
How many guys are you allowed to keep in this league?
 
The guy with all the picks trades them to move up to the first overall pick and takes ____________ (whover the best RB coming out is.) Then does it look like a bad move?

What does the roster of the team that traded Smith look like?

 
What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.Thoughts?
THIS PART doesn't matter at all. He doesn't have to.
Agreed 100% he does not have to. But then, it does make the rest of the league members wonder if there is collusion involved here. Look, if he had made a post on the league site that Smith is available since I want to rebuild and I will trade him for the best offer I get in next 3 days, and if the best offer he got was the one in the 1st post, that is fair IMO. Also, if he has caveats like he will not trade him within his division, I can understand that too. But what transpired here is not just a one sided trade but does beg the question on whether it is collusion.
How many guys are you allowed to keep in this league?
You have to dump only 3 players per team (you can dump more but you can keep 19 out of your 22 players for next year). Also there is no restriction on positions or anything like that. So, I plan to dump 3 out of the following players at end of year - Anthony Thomas (I have McGahee so he is just handcuff right now); Seahawks defense; David Akers; Ashley Lelie; Arnaz Battle; Eric Parker, Rod Smith, maybe Losman if he gets dumped etc (as you can see nothing great there)
 
The guy with all the picks trades them to move up to the first overall pick and takes ____________ (whover the best RB coming out is.) Then does it look like a bad move?

What does the roster of the team that traded Smith look like?
Rest assured, with DWill and Maroney, I doubt he goes for best RB (nmaybe goes for Calvin Johnson wiht #1 overall if he is lucky to trade up...)QB Byron Leftwich JAC 97.00 UDP 3 6

QB Brad Johnson MIN 79.35 UDP 3 6

QB Daunte Culpepper MIA 59.45 UDP 3 8

QB Kyle Boller BAL 25.00 UDP 3 7

RB Willie Parker PIT 94.90 UDP 3 4

RB Julius Jones DAL 76.00 UDP 3 3

RB Laurence Maroney NEP 68.80 UDP 3 6

RB DeAngelo Williams CAR 31.10 UDP 3 9

RB Mike Bell DEN 29.30 UDP 3 4

RB Vernand Morency GBP 26.60 UDP 3 6

RB Cedric Cobbs DEN 0.00 UDP 3 4

WR Steve Smith CAR 109.30 UDP 3 9

WR Marques Colston NOS 92.40 UDP 3 7

WR Reggie Wayne IND 90.40 UDP 3 6

WR Bryant Johnson ARI 60.10 UDP 3 9

WR Doug Gabriel NEP 50.40 UDP 3 6

WR Hank Baskett PHI 35.20 UDP 3 9

TE Chris Cooley WAS 57.10 UDP 3 8

TE Joe Klopfenstein STL 24.80 UDP 3 7

TE Vernon Davis SFO 14.70 UDP 3 7

PK Neil Rackers ARI 55.90 UDP 3 9

DT Philadelphia Eagles PHI 62.00 UDP 3 9

 
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So we are in the 1st year of a dynasty league and this guy (who has Portis and LT2....he made a bunch of draft day trades to get top 2 of 3 picks in the draft) got Steve Smith from the other guy (who is having a horrible year) for his top 3 draft picks next year (which will be below 8 or 9 at least every round since this guy will go to the playoffs and the2nd year dynasty league draft is not serpentine)All of the other owners seem to be up in arms on this. Are we correct to have a beef here given Smith is a young stud, so the guy losing him in a dynasty league is not giving up an old playmaker with less potential. What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.Thoughts?
Asking other owners?My god, stop crying. It's embarrassing. I love when people cry about trades, why didn't you offer your top 3 picks for SS? When a guy is having a horrible year, first thing you do is inquire about his studs. Seems like common sense to me.You guys were lazy, missed the boat, now you're crying. This belongs on the league board, not FBGs. Really needs to be a Man Law about crying over FF.
 
The guy with all the picks trades them to move up to the first overall pick and takes ____________ (whover the best RB coming out is.) Then does it look like a bad move?

What does the roster of the team that traded Smith look like?
Rest assured, with DWill and Maroney, I doubt he goes for best RB (nmaybe goes for Calvin Johnson wiht #1 overall if he is lucky to trade up...)QB Byron Leftwich JAC 97.00 UDP 3 6

QB Brad Johnson MIN 79.35 UDP 3 6

QB Daunte Culpepper MIA 59.45 UDP 3 8

QB Kyle Boller BAL 25.00 UDP 3 7

RB Willie Parker PIT 94.90 UDP 3 4

RB Julius Jones DAL 76.00 UDP 3 3

RB Laurence Maroney NEP 68.80 UDP 3 6

RB DeAngelo Williams CAR 31.10 UDP 3 9

RB Mike Bell DEN 29.30 UDP 3 4

RB Vernand Morency GBP 26.60 UDP 3 6

RB Cedric Cobbs DEN 0.00 UDP 3 4

WR Steve Smith CAR 109.30 UDP 3 9

WR Marques Colston NOS 92.40 UDP 3 7

WR Reggie Wayne IND 90.40 UDP 3 6

WR Bryant Johnson ARI 60.10 UDP 3 9

WR Doug Gabriel NEP 50.40 UDP 3 6

WR Hank Baskett PHI 35.20 UDP 3 9

TE Chris Cooley WAS 57.10 UDP 3 8

TE Joe Klopfenstein STL 24.80 UDP 3 7

TE Vernon Davis SFO 14.70 UDP 3 7

PK Neil Rackers ARI 55.90 UDP 3 9

DT Philadelphia Eagles PHI 62.00 UDP 3 9
Eh. He probably should of asked for a QB out of the deal as well but overall nothing to get that worked up about.
 
Because at least 4 owners are extremely disgruntled because of this,
Then at least 4 owners should have been working the phones a bit harder.
We would have if we even knew he was on the blocks :ph34r:What is funny is that now this owner (who gave up Smith) says that if this trade gets rejected, he will not trade Smith to any other owners. Which made me question whether there was collusion involved here since why would he not re-try with someone else (or even same partner) if he got a better deal? After all he was only doing it to make his team better for next year right????
 
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So we are in the 1st year of a dynasty league and this guy (who has Portis and LT2....he made a bunch of draft day trades to get top 2 of 3 picks in the draft) got Steve Smith from the other guy (who is having a horrible year) for his top 3 draft picks next year (which will be below 8 or 9 at least every round since this guy will go to the playoffs and the2nd year dynasty league draft is not serpentine)

All of the other owners seem to be up in arms on this. Are we correct to have a beef here given Smith is a young stud, so the guy losing him in a dynasty league is not giving up an old playmaker with less potential. What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.

Thoughts?
So, if he asked everyone who would give up their first three picks in exchange for Smith, and five guys said yes, and he picked the one he wanted, you'd have no problem with it? Sounds like you and the other owners are just upset that you didn't get the deal. Part of the art of trading is in how you advertise. In some cases it's best to throw out a blanket offer to the league, in others it's best to work the phones/email one-on-one. You can't force an owner to trade the way you'd like him to.

As for the fairness of the deal itself, isn't it possible the 2nd owner liked the idea of having 6 picks in the first 3 rounds enough to part with Smith? His decision.

 
What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.

Thoughts?
THIS PART doesn't matter at all. He doesn't have to.
Agreed 100% he does not have to. But then, it does make the rest of the league members wonder if there is collusion involved here. Look, if he had made a post on the league site that Smith is available since I want to rebuild and I will trade him for the best offer I get in next 3 days, and if the best offer he got was the one in the 1st post, that is fair IMO. Also, if he has caveats like he will not trade him within his division, I can understand that too. But what transpired here is not just a one sided trade but does beg the question on whether it is collusion.
How many guys are you allowed to keep in this league?
You have to dump only 3 players per team (you can dump more but you can keep 19 out of your 22 players for next year). Also there is no restriction on positions or anything like that. So, I plan to dump 3 out of the following players at end of year - Anthony Thomas (I have McGahee so he is just handcuff right now); Seahawks defense; David Akers; Ashley Lelie; Arnaz Battle; Eric Parker, Rod Smith, maybe Losman if he gets dumped etc (as you can see nothing great there)
Then you're not in a dynasty league.
 
Because at least 4 owners are extremely disgruntled because of this,
Then at least 4 owners should have been working the phones a bit harder.
We would have if we even knew he was on the blocks :ph34r: What is funny is that now this owner (who gave up Smith) says that if this trade gets rejected, he will not trade Smith to any other owners. Which made me question whether there was collusion involved here since why would he not re-try with someone else (or even same partner) if he got a better deal? After all he was only doing it to make his team better for next year right????
Maybe he's been listening to the rumblings of the rest of the league and would rather just avoid the controversy than make a trade that he feels would improve his team.
 
What is funny is that now this owner (who gave up Smith) says that if this trade gets rejected, he will not trade Smith to any other owners. Which made me question whether there was collusion involved here since why would he not re-try with someone else (or even same partner) if he got a better deal? After all he was only doing it to make his team better for next year right????
Maybe it's just because you all got so pissy about it.
 
We would have if we even knew he was on the blocks :ph34r:
If you had asked him you would have known.
What is funny is that now this owner (who gave up Smith) says that if this trade gets rejected, he will not trade Smith to any other owners. Which made me question whether there was collusion involved here since why would he not re-try with someone else (or even same partner) if he got a better deal? After all he was only doing it to make his team better for next year right????
No, I could see this. I have had situations where no matter what I would not make a trade with an owner (or group of owners) because I disliked the way they played. Personal grudges can be powerful incentive.Basically he is saying "If you Nazi this trade, then I am taking my ball and going home, nobody gets him!"Childish maybe, but if you guys veto the trade the next logical step is to hold a vote and FORCE him to trade SS to someone, right?
 
Because at least 4 owners are extremely disgruntled because of this,
Then at least 4 owners should have been working the phones a bit harder.
We would have if we even knew he was on the blocks :ph34r:What is funny is that now this owner (who gave up Smith) says that if this trade gets rejected, he will not trade Smith to any other owners. Which made me question whether there was collusion involved here since why would he not re-try with someone else (or even same partner) if he got a better deal? After all he was only doing it to make his team better for next year right????
Or perhaps his thinking is that if the trade is vetoed you can all go screw yourselves. Why should he offer up a good WR to a bunch of blokes who did nothing to try and acquire him, bleated when he was moved and now expect him to be served up on a plate.It's a DYNASTY league. You should ALWAYS be working the trade angles.[/rant]
 
So we are in the 1st year of a dynasty league and this guy (who has Portis and LT2....he made a bunch of draft day trades to get top 2 of 3 picks in the draft) got Steve Smith from the other guy (who is having a horrible year) for his top 3 draft picks next year (which will be below 8 or 9 at least every round since this guy will go to the playoffs and the2nd year dynasty league draft is not serpentine)

All of the other owners seem to be up in arms on this. Are we correct to have a beef here given Smith is a young stud, so the guy losing him in a dynasty league is not giving up an old playmaker with less potential. What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.

Thoughts?
So, if he asked everyone who would give up their first three picks in exchange for Smith, and five guys said yes, and he picked the one he wanted, you'd have no problem with it? Sounds like you and the other owners are just upset that you didn't get the deal. Part of the art of trading is in how you advertise. In some cases it's best to throw out a blanket offer to the league, in others it's best to work the phones/email one-on-one. You can't force an owner to trade the way you'd like him to.

As for the fairness of the deal itself, isn't it possible the 2nd owner liked the idea of having 6 picks in the first 3 rounds enough to part with Smith? His decision.
exactly trades happen all the time where people say, damn I would have given up more for that guy than he got. And yea If I got trade rejected because of a bunch of whinny owners I would not trade him to anybody else either.
 
So we are in the 1st year of a dynasty league and this guy (who has Portis and LT2....he made a bunch of draft day trades to get top 2 of 3 picks in the draft) got Steve Smith from the other guy (who is having a horrible year) for his top 3 draft picks next year (which will be below 8 or 9 at least every round since this guy will go to the playoffs and the2nd year dynasty league draft is not serpentine)

All of the other owners seem to be up in arms on this. Are we correct to have a beef here given Smith is a young stud, so the guy losing him in a dynasty league is not giving up an old playmaker with less potential. What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.

Thoughts?
So, if he asked everyone who would give up their first three picks in exchange for Smith, and five guys said yes, and he picked the one he wanted, you'd have no problem with it? Sounds like you and the other owners are just upset that you didn't get the deal. Part of the art of trading is in how you advertise. In some cases it's best to throw out a blanket offer to the league, in others it's best to work the phones/email one-on-one. You can't force an owner to trade the way you'd like him to.

As for the fairness of the deal itself, isn't it possible the 2nd owner liked the idea of having 6 picks in the first 3 rounds enough to part with Smith? His decision.
But look at the crap he will have to pick from for those 3 rounds. There are maybe 10 stud picks from the rookie pool every year AT MOST (Cutler, Leinart, Young, Maroney, Bush, Vernon Davis, DWill, Addai this past year) and even out of those 50% fail. The remaining players in the draft pool will be 3 rejects from every team with rosters of 22 players each (you know handcuffs like Anthony Thomas or Mike Jenkins or defenses or kickers or players that retire like Tiki B or Brett Favre). What is going to get that will be a guarantee like Smith??? Hell I bet you will be hardpressed to find 3 players from pick #11, 22 and 33 (assuming the guy getting Smith finishes 2nd this year) that COMBINED can beat Smith's production. Now, when you add that the guy with SMith can also play 2 more players I cannot believe this is not considered one sided in any way shape or form. Steve Smith is not old, he is not retiring and he will be a stud for at least next 5 years barring injuries.
 
But look at the crap he will have to pick from for those 3 rounds. There are maybe 10 stud picks from the rookie pool every year AT MOST (Cutler, Leinart, Young, Maroney, Bush, Vernon Davis, DWill, Addai this past year) and even out of those 50% fail. The remaining players in the draft pool will be 3 rejects from every team with rosters of 22 players each (you know handcuffs like Anthony Thomas or Mike Jenkins or defenses or kickers or players that retire like Tiki B or Brett Favre). What is going to get that will be a guarantee like Smith??? Hell I bet you will be hardpressed to find 3 players from pick #11, 22 and 33 (assuming the guy getting Smith finishes 2nd this year) that COMBINED can beat Smith's production. Now, when you add that the guy with SMith can also play 2 more players I cannot believe this is not considered one sided in any way shape or form. Steve Smith is not old, he is not retiring and he will be a stud for at least next 5 years barring injuries.
OK, so you wouldn't have done the deal because you don't think it's a good risk. Maybe I wouldn't either, but he did apparently.
 
So we are in the 1st year of a dynasty league and this guy (who has Portis and LT2....he made a bunch of draft day trades to get top 2 of 3 picks in the draft) got Steve Smith from the other guy (who is having a horrible year) for his top 3 draft picks next year (which will be below 8 or 9 at least every round since this guy will go to the playoffs and the2nd year dynasty league draft is not serpentine)

All of the other owners seem to be up in arms on this. Are we correct to have a beef here given Smith is a young stud, so the guy losing him in a dynasty league is not giving up an old playmaker with less potential. What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.

Thoughts?
So, if he asked everyone who would give up their first three picks in exchange for Smith, and five guys said yes, and he picked the one he wanted, you'd have no problem with it? Sounds like you and the other owners are just upset that you didn't get the deal. Part of the art of trading is in how you advertise. In some cases it's best to throw out a blanket offer to the league, in others it's best to work the phones/email one-on-one. You can't force an owner to trade the way you'd like him to.

As for the fairness of the deal itself, isn't it possible the 2nd owner liked the idea of having 6 picks in the first 3 rounds enough to part with Smith? His decision.
But look at the crap he will have to pick from for those 3 rounds. There are maybe 10 stud picks from the rookie pool every year AT MOST (Cutler, Leinart, Young, Maroney, Bush, Vernon Davis, DWill, Addai this past year) and even out of those 50% fail. The remaining players in the draft pool will be 3 rejects from every team with rosters of 22 players each (you know handcuffs like Anthony Thomas or Mike Jenkins or defenses or kickers or players that retire like Tiki B or Brett Favre). What is going to get that will be a guarantee like Smith??? Hell I bet you will be hardpressed to find 3 players from pick #11, 22 and 33 (assuming the guy getting Smith finishes 2nd this year) that COMBINED can beat Smith's production. Now, when you add that the guy with SMith can also play 2 more players I cannot believe this is not considered one sided in any way shape or form. Steve Smith is not old, he is not retiring and he will be a stud for at least next 5 years barring injuries.
You've just given a very compelling argument as to why YOU should have went after Smith......
 
So we are in the 1st year of a dynasty league and this guy (who has Portis and LT2....he made a bunch of draft day trades to get top 2 of 3 picks in the draft) got Steve Smith from the other guy (who is having a horrible year) for his top 3 draft picks next year (which will be below 8 or 9 at least every round since this guy will go to the playoffs and the2nd year dynasty league draft is not serpentine)

All of the other owners seem to be up in arms on this. Are we correct to have a beef here given Smith is a young stud, so the guy losing him in a dynasty league is not giving up an old playmaker with less potential. What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.

Thoughts?
So, if he asked everyone who would give up their first three picks in exchange for Smith, and five guys said yes, and he picked the one he wanted, you'd have no problem with it? Sounds like you and the other owners are just upset that you didn't get the deal. Part of the art of trading is in how you advertise. In some cases it's best to throw out a blanket offer to the league, in others it's best to work the phones/email one-on-one. You can't force an owner to trade the way you'd like him to.

As for the fairness of the deal itself, isn't it possible the 2nd owner liked the idea of having 6 picks in the first 3 rounds enough to part with Smith? His decision.
But look at the crap he will have to pick from for those 3 rounds. There are maybe 10 stud picks from the rookie pool every year AT MOST (Cutler, Leinart, Young, Maroney, Bush, Vernon Davis, DWill, Addai this past year) and even out of those 50% fail. The remaining players in the draft pool will be 3 rejects from every team with rosters of 22 players each (you know handcuffs like Anthony Thomas or Mike Jenkins or defenses or kickers or players that retire like Tiki B or Brett Favre). What is going to get that will be a guarantee like Smith??? Hell I bet you will be hardpressed to find 3 players from pick #11, 22 and 33 (assuming the guy getting Smith finishes 2nd this year) that COMBINED can beat Smith's production. Now, when you add that the guy with SMith can also play 2 more players I cannot believe this is not considered one sided in any way shape or form. Steve Smith is not old, he is not retiring and he will be a stud for at least next 5 years barring injuries.
You've just given a very compelling argument as to why YOU should have went after Smith......
I guess that is why so many people go around asking for stud players for crap and the rest of us wonder why these morons bother asking us for such unfair deals?
 
We have the following rule to deal with this in my dynasty league, the idea being that's ok to fire sale, but you have to give the league notice first. The idea being that if everyone knows the players are available, but chooses not to go after them, then it's their own fault if the league balance is disrupted in someone else's favor.

Fire SalesSome teams when they are out of contention close to the trade deadline begin looking to the next year and trade aging, high-performing veterans for younger players or picks. However, such actions (sometimes termed ‘Fire Sales’) can be a cause of great contention for some people because of how the movement of star players close to the playoffs can alter a league. However, there is validity in such moves as the short term change is merely one part of balancing the league in the longer term.In order to limit this potential strife, teams wishing to engage in trades that may be deemed a Fire sale may be required by the commissioners to inform the entire league that some of their players are available for trade before any transactions are agreed to. Not only is this in the best self-interest of the team wishing to trade its players away as they will likely get a higher price, it will help avoid problems as everyone is on an equal footing to try to take advantage of the shifting opportunities in the league. Owners should take the responsibility to help avoid this kind of situation by checking with the commissioners if there is any doubt that a desire to trade players may be viewed as a fire sale.While it isn’t easy to give an exact definition of what a Fire sale is and isn’t, the more of the following fit, the more likely it is to be judged as one. * Trading team is unlikely to make the championship bracket. * Team being traded to can still make the championship bracket or has already locked up a spot in it. * Trade will result in a worse starting line up for the remainder of the current season for the team. * Trade involves giving up aging veteran players who are performing near the top of their position for draft picks, younger players and/or larger numbers of players who are giving lesser performances at present.
While this isn't the stereotype of a firesale since it isn't an aging player, given the extreme discount the guy seems to be giving to obtain draft picks I would look into it and see what the owner's intent was in making the trade.I think it's a good rule to have... but it wouldn't surprise me in this case if the owner giving away Smith just doesn't understand the value of rookie picks and how fast they can decline.
 
So we are in the 1st year of a dynasty league and this guy (who has Portis and LT2....he made a bunch of draft day trades to get top 2 of 3 picks in the draft) got Steve Smith from the other guy (who is having a horrible year) for his top 3 draft picks next year (which will be below 8 or 9 at least every round since this guy will go to the playoffs and the2nd year dynasty league draft is not serpentine)

All of the other owners seem to be up in arms on this. Are we correct to have a beef here given Smith is a young stud, so the guy losing him in a dynasty league is not giving up an old playmaker with less potential. What makes it even more frustrating is that this guy traded away Smith without asking any other owners what they would be willing to give up.

Thoughts?
So, if he asked everyone who would give up their first three picks in exchange for Smith, and five guys said yes, and he picked the one he wanted, you'd have no problem with it? Sounds like you and the other owners are just upset that you didn't get the deal. Part of the art of trading is in how you advertise. In some cases it's best to throw out a blanket offer to the league, in others it's best to work the phones/email one-on-one. You can't force an owner to trade the way you'd like him to.

As for the fairness of the deal itself, isn't it possible the 2nd owner liked the idea of having 6 picks in the first 3 rounds enough to part with Smith? His decision.
exactly trades happen all the time where people say, damn I would have given up more for that guy than he got. And yea If I got trade rejected because of a bunch of whinny owners I would not trade him to anybody else either.
But that does make me or many others question whether it was collusion (you know money exchanging hands) to begin with. When you make a lop sided trade without checking the value with NO ONE ELSE in the league, then when it is rejected you say I do not care now if you give me 10 times the value of the previous deal, I am not trading him to anyone else in the league, then the other owners in the league are JUSTIFIED to view you as someone who tried to cheat/collude .... fair enough???? Again, I said it before, but if he took a lesser deal because he preferred to trade Smith away outside his division or if he had some other factor/reason for doing it, I can still understand. But in the absence of any other factors, I and other owners are justified in viewing this as collusion.
 
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It sounds to me like the LT/Portis/Smith owner is a shark in a league full of guppies. Now the guppies don't want to play with him. :fishy:

I would like to hear the trade that got him LT and Portis. :thumbup:

 
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You can solve all your "OMFGOZRS STEVE SMITH FOR THAT?!" feelings, by educating yourself. Best article on FBGs. Trades don't have to be equal. They have to be equal enough. "I would have given more" issues are also addressed in the article.

UNFAIR TRADE PRACTICES ACTBy Bill Davies and Bill DeSimoneAll rise! Court is now in session. Presiding over the 2004 Footballguys.com Commissioner's Court will be the dishonorable Chief Injustice Bill "The Commissioner" Davies and Associate Injustice Bill "DeCommish" DeSimone.TODAY'S DOCKET: State of Our FFL League v. Draconian VulturesTHE CHARGE: Theft of a valuable fantasy player at a price too lowThe issue of an unfair trade rears its ugly head more than any other rules-related matter we face. This can be done by an owner that only trades once a year or one that trades every week. The key, as Commissioner, is rather than focusing on the lack of balance between traded talents, look at the motivations, needs and circumstances of the owners making the trade. Look also at the motivations of the owner complaining about the trade. And when you get to the point of making your ultimate decision, don't ask if the trade is "fair." As if it is "fair enough."Before we get to the matter of whether or not a trade should be deemed as "fair enough," you should review your league rules related to trades. Most often, leagues have wholly inadequate verbiage. Since the 1990s, most leagues include the word "collusion" or some form of it in their rules. They task the Commissioner or the league with constantly looking out for the collusive trade and then act upon it. Many league rules simply state that unfair trades will not occur - as if that statement alone will prevent them from happening. They then go on to explain that a vote will be taken or a ruling will be made. What they should state, but almost never do, is the process. This is where Commissioners and leagues get themselves into major disputes. Everyone's ideas of what should be considered are different. Everyone's opinion of the value of the traded players (or picks) is different. However, you'll save a lot of headaches if you ensure stability in the process.Your rules ought to be rewritten to include four things. First, explain what types of trades will be perceived to be potentially vulnerable to a veto. This will give the other owners an idea of the things you are looking for. Second, explain the process for reporting (or complaining) that a trade ought to be reviewed for being too unbalanced. Third, explain the process of investigation and/or items to be reviewed in making your determination if a trade ought to be vetoed. Fourth, explain the process for ruling on the matter and what remedies are available in the event that a trade is vetoed.WHAT TYPES OF TRADES COULD BE REVIEWABLE?The first type is those that are patently absurd - Jason Witten for Daunte Culpepper and LaDainian Tomlinson. In this matter, there are no statistical, ranking or other materials that could reasonably consider this to be a fair trade. We'll call this the Reasonable Person test. Don't get too quick to use this. It should be very rarely used and only in the most extreme and obvious cases. The second type is a trade that defies logic. An example would be a trade where one owner trades his only starting QB Peyton Manning, for a 7th WR. The case of collusion could be made stronger if the owner trading Manning was out of playoff contention and the team getting Manning just lost their starting QB to injury.Third, look at team records. Any time one team is something like 8-2 and they are trading with a tam that is 1-9, the league has a responsibility to review the details of the trade a little more closely.Fourth, does the trade make a team too strong? There are several requests a week to review trades like this. Be aware that this is NOT a valid reason to review a trade. Inherent in every trade is that both teams are trying to become better. Becoming the best is not a crime. It is what we should all strive for.Fifth, does the trade make a team too weak? For the same reasons as above, the answer is that it does not matter. This is also not a reason for reviewing a trade.Sixth, did these two teams trade the exact same player(s) in a recent trade? Most rules are written to prevent player borrowing - the act of trading for a player for a limited amount of use and then trading the player back to the original owner. And finally, in what ways are the trading partners related? Are they family? Boyfriend and girlfriend? Boss and employee? Best friends? Is it possible that this relationship was manipulated to the detriment of one of the owners or the league?REQUESTING THAT A TRADE BE REVIEWEDIt is advised that your league set up a time window for reviewing trades. This window should be fairly short - certainly less than a week. If the Commissioner or a team owner files a complaint to the league office, an investigation of some sort should ensue. The first step of any investigation should be a phone call to the affected parties explaining there was a complaint and to get their side of the story first. The Commissioner should always attempt to make contact first with the party that is perceived to have received less in the trade than the other party. Reviewing trades ought to remain a private matter until a full-blown public investigation is necessary. Perhaps during the initial interview the Commissioner can establish that the trade is acceptable. If it is, the Commissioner ought to notify the complaining owner that an investigation was done and based on the facts described, you believe this is an acceptable trade.If you, as Commissioner, are unsatisfied that there is not even a hint of collusive behavior, then you have a responsibility to order and conduct an investigation.CONDUCTING A REVIEWA review should be thorough and painful for everyone involved. Vetoing a trade should almost never be done and should require a great deal of effort and consideration, if used. Here is a set of items you should consider in your investigation:USE CONTRACT LAW AS A BASIS: At their core, trades are based on a principle of contract law - consideration is traded for consideration. There is no inherent need for that consideration to have equal value to both parties, only "enough" value for both parties to enter into the trade.WHAT WOULD BE THE EFFECT OF A VETOED TRADE: This is perhaps the most important question. Would it tear apart friendships? Would it make the upcoming draft tense because the trade involved the first overall pick? As we've said, vetoing trades is a very serious move that has serious ramifications. All of those ramifications should be considered before a final decision is made.WHAT ARE THE TEAMS' NEEDS?: A trade often helps both teams fill a need. Based on need and surplus, the trade may not seem fair on the surface. However, if both teams got what they needed and improved their starting lineups, it would be very difficult to veto such a trade.WHAT ARE THE TEAMS' RECORDS: This can be an indicator that there is a hint of collusion. When a 1-7 team trades Daunte Culpepper to a 6-2 team for Jason Witten, there's a hint that there may be collusion. You can address some of this in writing, like setting a trade deadline a few weeks before the end of the regular season or exclude any team from trading once they are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs (except in keeper leagues where eliminated teams may trade with next year in mind).IS YOURS A KEEPER LEAGUE?: If it is, and a younger player with a lesser reputation is traded for an older player with a great reputation, it is harder to call the trade unfair. The motivations of each owner may be too great.WHAT ARE THE TEAMS' RELATIONSHIPS WITH ONE ANOTHER: Does one team have a reputation as being the other's farm team? Is one owner the 8 year old son of the benefactor of a lopsided trade?IS ONE OWNER SIMPLY NOT GETTING ENOUGH OUT OF THE TRADE: A common complaint is "I would have given him so much more…" Well, the simply fact of the matter is that you didn't. Just because one owner could have received more in a trade from another owner does not make it unfair. Each owner has (or should have) equal opportunity to trade with any other owner. Don't forget that because both parties are getting something in each trade, usually both parties feel they got the better end of the deal. It's how and why trades happen. That's why it is a lot of work to veto trades and it should be. It should keep at least one owner up nights if the issue comes up. It takes more than one trade to win a Fantasy Bowl title. But it can take one poor use of a veto to ruin what would otherwise be a good league. MAKING YOUR RULINGAfter considering all of the factors above, it's time for you to make a ruling. Whatever it is, make it fast and with authority and conviction. Let everyone know you carefully considered all of these factors. You gave the trading teams all of the benefits of doubt. And in the end, you either determined that the trade was unfair enough or not unfair enough.If you decide that the trade was too unfair and needs to be undone, then you should approach both trading owners and explain that you have fully reviewed their trade and are about to announce to the league that it is going to be vetoed. You'd appreciate their considering to back out of the trade themselves, saving the league the headache and embarrassment of a veto. Give them a 12- to 24-hour window to undo the trade on their own or you are going to veto it.In most cases, if you determine the trade ought to be vetoed, your ruling should include the punishment of returning the players to their original team with a terse explanation that the trade was reversed because it threatened the competitive balance of the league. If you feel you have strong evidence that collusion exists, you may also wish to add additional penalties or fines. But that should be extremely rare - sort of an Armageddon move.Your rules should also permit an owner to seek relief or an appeal in the event that they think your ruling is unjust. If your ruling is challenged by one or both of the trading partners, it is your job to share with your league the findings of your review. Explain to them what you've learned and why it leads you to the conclusion that reversing the trade is the right thing to do. Then, conduct a league vote. A majority of owners needs to disagree with your ruling in order for it to be overturned. And don't forget this part - the trading parties get to vote on their own behalf. (All too often, rules prevent owners from voting on matters directly related to them which is patently absurd.)If you handle the challenged trade with a thorough and complete review, you'll avoid most trouble. You won't reverse many, if any, trades, but you'll have a happier, more secure league. You can use your findings to either appease the complaining party that a reversal is not appropriate or you'll be able to approach the trading parties with your rationale behind your decision. In any event, it will be a full and complete review and a decision ground in fact and reason. And sometimes that, in and of itself, is an improvement.If, after all of these considerations, you would still like a ruling from the Commissioner's Court, you may send an e-mail to askthecommish@footballguys.com.
 
We have the following rule to deal with this in my dynasty league, the idea being that's ok to fire sale, but you have to give the league notice first. The idea being that if everyone knows the players are available, but chooses not to go after them, then it's their own fault if the league balance is disrupted in someone else's favor.

Fire SalesSome teams when they are out of contention close to the trade deadline begin looking to the next year and trade aging, high-performing veterans for younger players or picks. However, such actions (sometimes termed ‘Fire Sales’) can be a cause of great contention for some people because of how the movement of star players close to the playoffs can alter a league. However, there is validity in such moves as the short term change is merely one part of balancing the league in the longer term.In order to limit this potential strife, teams wishing to engage in trades that may be deemed a Fire sale may be required by the commissioners to inform the entire league that some of their players are available for trade before any transactions are agreed to. Not only is this in the best self-interest of the team wishing to trade its players away as they will likely get a higher price, it will help avoid problems as everyone is on an equal footing to try to take advantage of the shifting opportunities in the league. Owners should take the responsibility to help avoid this kind of situation by checking with the commissioners if there is any doubt that a desire to trade players may be viewed as a fire sale.While it isn’t easy to give an exact definition of what a Fire sale is and isn’t, the more of the following fit, the more likely it is to be judged as one. * Trading team is unlikely to make the championship bracket. * Team being traded to can still make the championship bracket or has already locked up a spot in it. * Trade will result in a worse starting line up for the remainder of the current season for the team. * Trade involves giving up aging veteran players who are performing near the top of their position for draft picks, younger players and/or larger numbers of players who are giving lesser performances at present.
While this isn't the stereotype of a firesale since it isn't an aging player, given the extreme discount the guy seems to be giving to obtain draft picks I would look into it and see what the owner's intent was in making the trade.I think it's a good rule to have... but it wouldn't surprise me in this case if the owner giving away Smith just doesn't understand the value of rookie picks and how fast they can decline.
Good rule....I wish we had it
 
You can solve all your "OMFGOZRS STEVE SMITH FOR THAT?!" feelings, by educating yourself. Best article on FBGs. Trades don't have to be equal. They have to be equal enough. "I would have given more" issues are also addressed in the article.

UNFAIR TRADE PRACTICES ACT

By Bill Davies and Bill DeSimone

All rise! Court is now in session. Presiding over the 2004 Footballguys.com Commissioner's Court will be the dishonorable Chief Injustice Bill "The Commissioner" Davies and Associate Injustice Bill "DeCommish" DeSimone.

TODAY'S DOCKET: State of Our FFL League v. Draconian Vultures

THE CHARGE: Theft of a valuable fantasy player at a price too low

The issue of an unfair trade rears its ugly head more than any other rules-related matter we face. This can be done by an owner that only trades once a year or one that trades every week. The key, as Commissioner, is rather than focusing on the lack of balance between traded talents, look at the motivations, needs and circumstances of the owners making the trade. Look also at the motivations of the owner complaining about the trade. And when you get to the point of making your ultimate decision, don't ask if the trade is "fair." As if it is "fair enough."

Before we get to the matter of whether or not a trade should be deemed as "fair enough," you should review your league rules related to trades. Most often, leagues have wholly inadequate verbiage. Since the 1990s, most leagues include the word "collusion" or some form of it in their rules. They task the Commissioner or the league with constantly looking out for the collusive trade and then act upon it. Many league rules simply state that unfair trades will not occur - as if that statement alone will prevent them from happening. They then go on to explain that a vote will be taken or a ruling will be made. What they should state, but almost never do, is the process. This is where Commissioners and leagues get themselves into major disputes. Everyone's ideas of what should be considered are different. Everyone's opinion of the value of the traded players (or picks) is different. However, you'll save a lot of headaches if you ensure stability in the process.

Your rules ought to be rewritten to include four things. First, explain what types of trades will be perceived to be potentially vulnerable to a veto. This will give the other owners an idea of the things you are looking for. Second, explain the process for reporting (or complaining) that a trade ought to be reviewed for being too unbalanced. Third, explain the process of investigation and/or items to be reviewed in making your determination if a trade ought to be vetoed. Fourth, explain the process for ruling on the matter and what remedies are available in the event that a trade is vetoed.

WHAT TYPES OF TRADES COULD BE REVIEWABLE?

The first type is those that are patently absurd - Jason Witten for Daunte Culpepper and LaDainian Tomlinson. In this matter, there are no statistical, ranking or other materials that could reasonably consider this to be a fair trade. We'll call this the Reasonable Person test. Don't get too quick to use this. It should be very rarely used and only in the most extreme and obvious cases.

The second type is a trade that defies logic. An example would be a trade where one owner trades his only starting QB Peyton Manning, for a 7th WR. The case of collusion could be made stronger if the owner trading Manning was out of playoff contention and the team getting Manning just lost their starting QB to injury.

Third, look at team records. Any time one team is something like 8-2 and they are trading with a tam that is 1-9, the league has a responsibility to review the details of the trade a little more closely.

Fourth, does the trade make a team too strong? There are several requests a week to review trades like this. Be aware that this is NOT a valid reason to review a trade. Inherent in every trade is that both teams are trying to become better. Becoming the best is not a crime. It is what we should all strive for.

Fifth, does the trade make a team too weak? For the same reasons as above, the answer is that it does not matter. This is also not a reason for reviewing a trade.

Sixth, did these two teams trade the exact same player(s) in a recent trade? Most rules are written to prevent player borrowing - the act of trading for a player for a limited amount of use and then trading the player back to the original owner.

And finally, in what ways are the trading partners related? Are they family? Boyfriend and girlfriend? Boss and employee? Best friends? Is it possible that this relationship was manipulated to the detriment of one of the owners or the league?

REQUESTING THAT A TRADE BE REVIEWED

It is advised that your league set up a time window for reviewing trades. This window should be fairly short - certainly less than a week. If the Commissioner or a team owner files a complaint to the league office, an investigation of some sort should ensue. The first step of any investigation should be a phone call to the affected parties explaining there was a complaint and to get their side of the story first. The Commissioner should always attempt to make contact first with the party that is perceived to have received less in the trade than the other party.

Reviewing trades ought to remain a private matter until a full-blown public investigation is necessary. Perhaps during the initial interview the Commissioner can establish that the trade is acceptable. If it is, the Commissioner ought to notify the complaining owner that an investigation was done and based on the facts described, you believe this is an acceptable trade.

If you, as Commissioner, are unsatisfied that there is not even a hint of collusive behavior, then you have a responsibility to order and conduct an investigation.

CONDUCTING A REVIEW

A review should be thorough and painful for everyone involved. Vetoing a trade should almost never be done and should require a great deal of effort and consideration, if used. Here is a set of items you should consider in your investigation:

USE CONTRACT LAW AS A BASIS: At their core, trades are based on a principle of contract law - consideration is traded for consideration. There is no inherent need for that consideration to have equal value to both parties, only "enough" value for both parties to enter into the trade.

WHAT WOULD BE THE EFFECT OF A VETOED TRADE: This is perhaps the most important question. Would it tear apart friendships? Would it make the upcoming draft tense because the trade involved the first overall pick? As we've said, vetoing trades is a very serious move that has serious ramifications. All of those ramifications should be considered before a final decision is made.

WHAT ARE THE TEAMS' NEEDS?: A trade often helps both teams fill a need. Based on need and surplus, the trade may not seem fair on the surface. However, if both teams got what they needed and improved their starting lineups, it would be very difficult to veto such a trade.

WHAT ARE THE TEAMS' RECORDS: This can be an indicator that there is a hint of collusion. When a 1-7 team trades Daunte Culpepper to a 6-2 team for Jason Witten, there's a hint that there may be collusion. You can address some of this in writing, like setting a trade deadline a few weeks before the end of the regular season or exclude any team from trading once they are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs (except in keeper leagues where eliminated teams may trade with next year in mind).

IS YOURS A KEEPER LEAGUE?: If it is, and a younger player with a lesser reputation is traded for an older player with a great reputation, it is harder to call the trade unfair. The motivations of each owner may be too great.

WHAT ARE THE TEAMS' RELATIONSHIPS WITH ONE ANOTHER: Does one team have a reputation as being the other's farm team? Is one owner the 8 year old son of the benefactor of a lopsided trade?

IS ONE OWNER SIMPLY NOT GETTING ENOUGH OUT OF THE TRADE: A common complaint is "I would have given him so much more…" Well, the simply fact of the matter is that you didn't. Just because one owner could have received more in a trade from another owner does not make it unfair. Each owner has (or should have) equal opportunity to trade with any other owner.

Don't forget that because both parties are getting something in each trade, usually both parties feel they got the better end of the deal. It's how and why trades happen. That's why it is a lot of work to veto trades and it should be. It should keep at least one owner up nights if the issue comes up. It takes more than one trade to win a Fantasy Bowl title. But it can take one poor use of a veto to ruin what would otherwise be a good league.

MAKING YOUR RULING

After considering all of the factors above, it's time for you to make a ruling. Whatever it is, make it fast and with authority and conviction. Let everyone know you carefully considered all of these factors. You gave the trading teams all of the benefits of doubt. And in the end, you either determined that the trade was unfair enough or not unfair enough.

If you decide that the trade was too unfair and needs to be undone, then you should approach both trading owners and explain that you have fully reviewed their trade and are about to announce to the league that it is going to be vetoed. You'd appreciate their considering to back out of the trade themselves, saving the league the headache and embarrassment of a veto. Give them a 12- to 24-hour window to undo the trade on their own or you are going to veto it.

In most cases, if you determine the trade ought to be vetoed, your ruling should include the punishment of returning the players to their original team with a terse explanation that the trade was reversed because it threatened the competitive balance of the league. If you feel you have strong evidence that collusion exists, you may also wish to add additional penalties or fines. But that should be extremely rare - sort of an Armageddon move.

Your rules should also permit an owner to seek relief or an appeal in the event that they think your ruling is unjust. If your ruling is challenged by one or both of the trading partners, it is your job to share with your league the findings of your review. Explain to them what you've learned and why it leads you to the conclusion that reversing the trade is the right thing to do. Then, conduct a league vote. A majority of owners needs to disagree with your ruling in order for it to be overturned. And don't forget this part - the trading parties get to vote on their own behalf. (All too often, rules prevent owners from voting on matters directly related to them which is patently absurd.)

If you handle the challenged trade with a thorough and complete review, you'll avoid most trouble. You won't reverse many, if any, trades, but you'll have a happier, more secure league. You can use your findings to either appease the complaining party that a reversal is not appropriate or you'll be able to approach the trading parties with your rationale behind your decision. In any event, it will be a full and complete review and a decision ground in fact and reason. And sometimes that, in and of itself, is an improvement.

If, after all of these considerations, you would still like a ruling from the Commissioner's Court, you may send an e-mail to askthecommish@footballguys.com.
Third, look at team records. Any time one team is something like 8-2 and they are trading with a tam that is 1-9, the league has a responsibility to review the details of the trade a little more closely.Thanks for proving my point

 
Third, look at team records. Any time one team is something like 8-2 and they are trading with a tam that is 1-9, the league has a responsibility to review the details of the trade a little more closely.

Thanks for proving my point
That is a rule of thumb for throwback leagues. A 1-9 team trading with an 8-2 team in a keeper league is common and the reasons are obvious to most of us.
 
Third, look at team records. Any time one team is something like 8-2 and they are trading with a tam that is 1-9, the league has a responsibility to review the details of the trade a little more closely.

Thanks for proving my point
That is a rule of thumb for throwback leagues. A 1-9 team trading with an 8-2 team in a keeper league is common and the reasons are obvious to most of us.
the league has a responsibility to review the details of the trade a little more closely.
 
So if you and "all of the other owners" are so upset and convinced that this is collusion, why not just veto it and be done with it?

You came here and asked for thoughts, but you seem very set in your opinion. Were you really checking to see if this was an issue you should be concerned about? ... or were you really just here to find support for your complaint so you could run back and say "lots of other people that play fantasy football think this deal is bad too"? Sorry if you didn't get what you were looking for.

 
So if you and "all of the other owners" are so upset and convinced that this is collusion, why not just veto it and be done with it? You came here and asked for thoughts, but you seem very set in your opinion. Were you really checking to see if this was an issue you should be concerned about? ... or were you really just here to find support for your complaint so you could run back and say "lots of other people that play fantasy football think this deal is bad too"? Sorry if you didn't get what you were looking for.
My motivation was to simply start a conversation to see what happens elsewhere... all about sharing ideas and learning (the Firesale rule is something I learned that we can use in some of the leagues I run for eg). Nothing more. If I am not mistaken, the Commish decides in our league if this trade goes through or not.Thanks for your thoughts on this :thumbup:
 
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The trade actually sucks, but I like his team and would buy it from him.He has a nice corp of young RBs, plus Wayne.
All the more reason not to trade Smith away. Can you imagine if he landed with a top 2 or 3 pick in the draft (currently he is last in league so he could) and got Calvin Johnson too?Calvin J, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Maroney, D Will, Willie Parker, Julius Jones, Vernon DavisCould be a dynasty for a while if he could ever get a QBBC to work....
 
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The trade actually sucks, but I like his team and would buy it from him.He has a nice corp of young RBs, plus Wayne.
All the more reason not to trade Smith away. Can you imagine if he landed with a top 2 or 3 pick in the draft (currently he is last in league so he could) and got Calvin Johnson too?Calvin J, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Maroney, D Will, Willie Parker, Julius Jones, Vernon DavisCould be a dynasty for a while if he could ever get a QBBC to work....
thats your opinion of his team. maybe he doesn't see it that way? he may want to hoard picks and feel that he can draft 3 players worth more than smith...
 
Its not that bad really. I wouldnt trade Smith but all owners value picks different. Myself, i dont like them,i like sure talent not over valued potential

 
What is funny is that now this owner (who gave up Smith) says that if this trade gets rejected, he will not trade Smith to any other owners. Which made me question whether there was collusion involved here since why would he not re-try with someone else (or even same partner) if he got a better deal? After all he was only doing it to make his team better for next year right????
I wouldn't either. You guys want to screw with his trade? I'd say piss off just like him. WAS there collusion involved? Why don't you trust this guy to do with his team what he thinks is best? This is a dynasty league, you have no idea how that trade will look over the next 4 years.
 
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