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WR Antonio Brown, FA (4 Viewers)

Cobbler1 said:
Certainly possible. Either way the NFL isn’t going to let him play with an inferior helmet and expose themselves to taking more blame for it.
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Why couldn't he just sign a waiver, saying something to the effect of "I take full responsibility for wearing this ####ty old helmet, and no blame for my future shenanigans will fall on the NFL"?

 
That you are aware of. He has played football for at least 13 years.

I personally think this has become a mental health issue. I hope he gets right. This is turning into TO the sequel.

 
simey said:
Why? He has had one concussion since being in the NFL. and none in college.  It also usually takes years before CTE becomes noticeable.
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I think most studies have concluded that the accumulation of dozens of sub concussive hits per game every game contributes more to CTE than actual concussions. Fully admit that I’m basing this off my recollection of a few articles I’ve seen over the years so I won’t claim 100% knowledge of this. And of course you don’t need CTE to act bonkers. Look at my exes!

 
GroveDiesel said:
I think my favorite part may be Brown painting his old Steelers helmet with an imitation of the Raiders helmet and thinking that he could somehow get away with it like some Looney Tunes shenanigans.
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Boy do I wish Dallas got him over Oakland but watching this on Hard Knocks is gonna be fun. 

 
seahawk 17 said:
That you are aware of. He has played football for at least 13 years.

I personally think this has become a mental health issue. I hope he gets right. This is turning into TO the sequel.
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TO was entertaining though. This is just downright I'm scared for this guys well being at this point he might do something to hurt himself or someone else. 

 
3nOut said:
Can't the NFL just have a waiver form players can sign acknowledging the dangers of older helmets? The NFL shared their concerns. It should be on the players.
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No. The nfl knows it’s dangerous therefore it’s a liability issue. 

 
fred_1_15301 said:
Best move your team didn't make.  Leave it to a franchise as dysfunctional as the Raiders to make the move.
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I'm sure you're ecstatic how much you got back from them for this clown show. You're better off with Juju anyway and I'll eat crow for saying JuJu wouldn't be great. I had Nelson Agholar bad at football biased when JuJu came out plus the lack of successful skill guys from USC in the past decade. 

 
Capella said:
No. The nfl knows it’s dangerous therefore it’s a liability issue. 
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That's my point. Signing a waiver means you are taking the liability on yourself and removing all responsibilities from the NFL. Meaning he or anyone from his family wouldn't be able to sue the NFL.

That said, how are helmets enforced in hockey? Do players sign agreement to do so when they enter the league? 

 
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3nOut said:
That's my point. Signing a waiver means you are taking the liability on yourself and removing all responsibilities from the NFL. Meaning he or anyone from his family wouldn't be able to sue the NFL
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You can’t just assign away your liability in situations like this. The nfl has acknowledged testing that has shown these helmets to be more dangerous to wear. They can’t let somebody go out there with it on. 

 
Capella said:
You can’t just assign away your liability in situations like this. The nfl has acknowledged testing that has shown these helmets to be more dangerous to wear. They can’t let somebody go out there with it on. 
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Do you have kids? Have you ever taken them to a trampoline or bouncy-house establishment? They all require you to sign a waiver because they are aware of the inherent dangers. In order to play, you have to sign. If you sign you cannot hold them liable if any injuries occur.

 
3nOut said:
Do you have kids? Have you ever taken them to a trampoline or bouncy-house establishment? They all require you to sign a waiver because they are aware of the inherent dangers. In order to play, you have to sign. If you sign you cannot hold them liable if any injuries occur.
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For better or worse, our courts have decided that lawyers can sue for all sorts of things that waivers have been signed for.  You are not actually able, under the law, to sign away these rights.  Since you brought up trampoline parks, I suggest you google "trampoline park lawsuit."  There are a lot of them.  And I can't imagine they didn't all require signed waivers.

Here's the relevant sections from a lawyer's website who handles these cases:

Often times, trampoline parks require participants to sign a liability waiver. While the language of these waivers varies by park, they generally relinquish trampoline parks of all liability for injuries or damages that visitors experience while at the park. Signing a waiver does make filing a trampoline park injury lawsuit more difficult, but does not completely prevent individuals from taking legal action against the parks.

An Indemnity clause — the section of a liability waiver releasing you of your right to sue a trampoline park for injuries that occur at the park — does not bar you from taking legal action to receive compensation for a trampoline park injury.

Courts often find that liability waivers of this nature do not hold validity because they grant too broad of a liability relinquishment.

Trampoline parks use liability waivers as a deterrent from visitors filing a trampoline park injury lawsuit, but they by no means completely disallow individuals to do so. The ability to file a trampoline park injury lawsuit, regardless of a liability waiver, depends on the specifics of the incident. If an individual signed a liability waiver, they should consult a trampoline park injury lawyer to discuss whether the waiver holds any actual bearing in the eyes of the court.
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We do not, despite the illusion, live in a completely free country.  The lawyers will always have their way.  :P

 
3nOut said:
Do you have kids? Have you ever taken them to a trampoline or bouncy-house establishment? They all require you to sign a waiver because they are aware of the inherent dangers. In order to play, you have to sign. If you sign you cannot hold them liable if any injuries occur.
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If you go bungie jumping, sign a waiver, and die then your family is likely to sue and the court is very likely to ignore the waiver.

The NFL isn't going to let him just sign away his liability via a waiver because if something happens there is a pretty decent chance that waiver won't be worth squat.

 
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GroveDiesel said:
I think my favorite part may be Brown painting his old Steelers helmet with an imitation of the Raiders helmet and thinking that he could somehow get away with it like some Looney Tunes shenanigans.
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Would've been sweet with ACME written along the sides in magic marker.

 
I like Antonio a little bit more knowing that he tried getting away with painting the helmet himself.  I hope him getting caught with it is on Hard Knocks.

 
How much of Browns signing bonus can the Raiders go after if he refuses to comply ?

I think there is real possibility that Brown will not give in and forces the Raiders to start fining him.

 
I’m surprised the NFL is even letting an independent arbitrator decide. It should be a hard no. I guess it’s in the CBA that all grievances have to be heard. I also can’t imagine AB bringing much more to the discussion than shouting IT’S MY HELMET AND I WANT TO WEAR IT I’M AB repeatedly.

 
Cobbler1 said:
I’m surprised the NFL is even letting an independent arbitrator decide. It should be a hard no. I guess it’s in the CBA that all grievances have to be heard. I also can’t imagine AB bringing much more to the discussion than shouting IT’S MY HELMET AND I WANT TO WEAR IT I’M AB repeatedly.
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I just lost my coffee.

 
3nOut said:
Do you have kids? Have you ever taken them to a trampoline or bouncy-house establishment? They all require you to sign a waiver because they are aware of the inherent dangers. In order to play, you have to sign. If you sign you cannot hold them liable if any injuries occur.
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Those waivers are mostly unenforceable. If your kid gets seriously hurt in many cases you could still bring suit and even win.

 
3nOut said:
Do you have kids? Have you ever taken them to a trampoline or bouncy-house establishment? They all require you to sign a waiver because they are aware of the inherent dangers. In order to play, you have to sign. If you sign you cannot hold them liable if any injuries occur.
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Yes and I also know the topic. Trust me, those waivers are worthless. 

 
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Capella said:
Yes and I also know the topic. Trust me, those waivers are worthless. 
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Agreed. Signing is a waiver only makes it more difficult to file a grievance/claim/whatever you want to call it, but any lawyer will you there is typically a way around it.

 
3nOut said:
Do you have kids? Have you ever taken them to a trampoline or bouncy-house establishment? They all require you to sign a waiver because they are aware of the inherent dangers. In order to play, you have to sign. If you sign you cannot hold them liable if any injuries occur.
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As someone who managed a rock climbing gym with a similar waiver, we still got sued all the time and often paid out through settlements. Waivers are protection but they hardly absolve you of all responsibility. I'd argue the most effective thing a waiver does is give the general public the perception that they can't sue. 

 
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And I believe it is mandated as part of the CBA (I could be wrong). There is no way the NFL is going to let players sign little amendments or side agreements to get around it. If AB gets to do this, then every player can pick and choose what portion they wish to follow. 

 
What most refer to as a waiver is probably a “release of liability” 

As I understand it, with a release, the liability is merely transferred. e.g. a skydiving business will have jumpers sign a release of liability which lets them off the hook, but in the event of disaster a grieving family can work with their insurance company, where that liability had been transferred. 

A true waiver “waives” liability altogether - and as some have mentioned, it’s difficult to enforce those anyway. 

- not an attorney

 
One of the biggest issues with any release he signs is that they are governed by state law. And states are all over the place on whether and how they are enforced.

 
Cobbler1 said:
I think most studies have concluded that the accumulation of dozens of sub concussive hits per game every game contributes more to CTE than actual concussions. Fully admit that I’m basing this off my recollection of a few articles I’ve seen over the years so I won’t claim 100% knowledge of this. And of course you don’t need CTE to act bonkers. Look at my exes!
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This is true, but it's lineman that take those hits, not WRs

 
renesauz said:
This is true, but it's lineman that take those hits, not WRs
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Well they take more for sure. And against guys 50% bigger than wrs take on regularly. But between fighting off jams, run blocking, being tackled or hit or landing a few times a game wrs are getting blows to the head at dozens of times per game too. 

 
Daniel Kaplan of The Athletic reports Antonio Brown plans on holding the NFL liable if he suffers a head injury while wearing a league-approved helmet.

Brown's camp warned the NFL of potential legal ramifications during a two-hour grievance hearing Friday in Philadelphia. The league is expected to make a ruling this week. AB has been in limbo the past couple weeks while recovering from a foot injury suffered in a cryotherapy mishap in France, though most suspect his recent absence has more to do Brown's helmet crusade. Despite the distraction it's caused, coach Jon Gruden said the team is still behind Brown as he seeks clarity on the matter. "He has a strong feeling about what he's worn on his head and we're supporting him," said Gruden. Between his foot injury and refusal to comply with the league's new helmet standards, Brown is looking like an easy fade at his current second-round ADP.
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... how does he expect to win that?

 
So......1 point PPR, I was offered Amari Cooper straight up for AB. Could keep going forward too. 

Thoughts on if I should accept or decline??

Any reason(s) why or why not would be helpful, i.e. age, projected output in 2019, ability to play this year.

 
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