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It’s not going to happen.As a Brandon Aiyuk dynasty owner and an Arthur Smith hater I would be devastated. Though I’m sure Aiyuk would look great drawing defenders to scheme open Cordarrelle Patterson and MyCole Pruitt.x.com
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Nightmare fuel. Thanks manAs a Brandon Aiyuk dynasty owner and an Arthur Smith hater I would be devastated. Though I’m sure Aiyuk would look great drawing defenders to scheme open Cordarrelle Patterson and MyCole Pruitt.x.com
Riiiight. Him and Pickens would be a top 5 duo, and with a solid TE and some young depth behind them like Roman Wilson, and a duo at RB that is a perfect mix and match, that offense could be really good. OL upgraded to a top 10 unit(at worst). Would just need one of the 2 QBs to step up. Patterson and Pruitt are special teams players.As a Brandon Aiyuk dynasty owner and an Arthur Smith hater I would be devastated. Though I’m sure Aiyuk would look great drawing defenders to scheme open Cordarrelle Patterson and MyCole Pruitt.x.com
Arthur Smith loves him some special teams players though. Brought some of his guys over from the Falcons (Patterson and Pruitt plus Jefferson and Miller). Smith takes a spread the wealth approach on offense, even at the expense of his premium position players. I don't have much faith in Russell Wilson in the journeyman phase of his career nor Justin Fields, but on the bright side they can't be worse than Kenny Pickett. I admire the optimism, and somewhat envy it (as a Pats fan who's only mildly hopeful for 2024). This is less about the Steelers as a whole and more about me not trusting their OC (which, I mean, I get it, anything after Matt Canada will look like an upgrade).Riiiight. Him and Pickens would be a top 5 duo, and with a solid TE and some young depth behind them like Roman Wilson, and a duo at RB that is a perfect mix and match, that offense could be really good. OL upgraded to a top 10 unit(at worst). Would just need one of the 2 QBs to step up. Patterson and Pruitt are special teams players.As a Brandon Aiyuk dynasty owner and an Arthur Smith hater I would be devastated. Though I’m sure Aiyuk would look great drawing defenders to scheme open Cordarrelle Patterson and MyCole Pruitt.x.com
I dont think it happens, a 1st rd pick and then ~$28M for a top 20 WR is silly in you are a GM.
Real teams, in the AFC North, dont want to see it happen.
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I mean it's his career I'd say it is his lane. And noone gives a crap about the Wonderlic.
Schefter getting a little dramatic.
If he was that disgruntled he wouldn’t be meeting with the 49ers.
They’re reportedly like 4M apart. They’ll get it done.
Probably bc they feel the overpaid the last WR that had a career year and hasn't come close to the numbers he put up in his contract year. Its not like Aiyuk has been setting the world on fire his entire career, but he wants to be paid like a top 10 guy, which he ...is not.Schefter getting a little dramatic.
If he was that disgruntled he wouldn’t be meeting with the 49ers.
They’re reportedly like 4M apart. They’ll get it done.
I don't understand what the issue is here. Aiyuk isn't setting the market like Bosa was last year so these negotiations shouldn't be that difficult. There are plenty of recent WR contract comps for both sides to use.
In my opinion, he is. His overall skill level is masked by the low WR pass volume offense he's in. He's getting 9 targets instead of 6 in any of the more pass happy offenses in the league and going off the board at the 1/2 turn. He's not in the Jefferson/Chase/Lamb tier but he's in the next bunch of guys in terms of his skill level.Probably bc they feel the overpaid the last WR that had a career year and hasn't come close to the numbers he put up in his contract year. Its not like Aiyuk has been setting the world on fire his entire career, but he wants to be paid like a top 10 guy, which he ...is not.Schefter getting a little dramatic.
If he was that disgruntled he wouldn’t be meeting with the 49ers.
They’re reportedly like 4M apart. They’ll get it done.
I don't understand what the issue is here. Aiyuk isn't setting the market like Bosa was last year so these negotiations shouldn't be that difficult. There are plenty of recent WR contract comps for both sides to use.
I don’t understand why “player seeking new contract meets with team” is being spun as a negative.Schefter getting a little dramatic.
If he was that disgruntled he wouldn’t be meeting with the 49ers.
They’re reportedly like 4M apart. They’ll get it done.
I don't understand what the issue is here. Aiyuk isn't setting the market like Bosa was last year so these negotiations shouldn't be that difficult. There are plenty of recent WR contract comps for both sides to use.
“In court” is typically part of that sentence.
Probably bc they feel the overpaid the last WR that had a career year and hasn't come close to the numbers he put up in his contract year. Its not like Aiyuk has been setting the world on fire his entire career, but he wants to be paid like a top 10 guy, which he ...is not.Schefter getting a little dramatic.
If he was that disgruntled he wouldn’t be meeting with the 49ers.
They’re reportedly like 4M apart. They’ll get it done.
I don't understand what the issue is here. Aiyuk isn't setting the market like Bosa was last year so these negotiations shouldn't be that difficult. There are plenty of recent WR contract comps for both sides to use.
I think the bolded is precisely a leverage argument for why the 49ers "can't" pay him top 5/10 $$$. Bc they aren't getting the bang for their buck for the offensive system they are running. Hence why they EASILY renegotiated CMC recently, bc he is the engine that drives that offense.In my opinion, he is. His overall skill level is masked by the low WR pass volume offense he's in. He's getting 9 targets instead of 6 in any of the more pass happy offenses in the league and going off the board at the 1/2 turn. He's not in the Jefferson/Chase/Lamb tier but he's in the next bunch of guys in terms of his skill level.Probably bc they feel the overpaid the last WR that had a career year and hasn't come close to the numbers he put up in his contract year. Its not like Aiyuk has been setting the world on fire his entire career, but he wants to be paid like a top 10 guy, which he ...is not.Schefter getting a little dramatic.
If he was that disgruntled he wouldn’t be meeting with the 49ers.
They’re reportedly like 4M apart. They’ll get it done.
I don't understand what the issue is here. Aiyuk isn't setting the market like Bosa was last year so these negotiations shouldn't be that difficult. There are plenty of recent WR contract comps for both sides to use.
Starting outside X that can win against press and man coverage on every route makes everyone else's job a lot easier. Persall must be the backup plan because they know they can't afford what Aiyuk is worth.I think the bolded is precisely a leverage argument for why the 49ers "can't" pay him top 5/10 $$$. Bc they aren't getting the bang for their buck for the offensive system they are running. Hence why they EASILY renegotiated CMC recently, bc he is the engine that drives that offense.In my opinion, he is. His overall skill level is masked by the low WR pass volume offense he's in. He's getting 9 targets instead of 6 in any of the more pass happy offenses in the league and going off the board at the 1/2 turn. He's not in the Jefferson/Chase/Lamb tier but he's in the next bunch of guys in terms of his skill level.Probably bc they feel the overpaid the last WR that had a career year and hasn't come close to the numbers he put up in his contract year. Its not like Aiyuk has been setting the world on fire his entire career, but he wants to be paid like a top 10 guy, which he ...is not.Schefter getting a little dramatic.
If he was that disgruntled he wouldn’t be meeting with the 49ers.
They’re reportedly like 4M apart. They’ll get it done.
I don't understand what the issue is here. Aiyuk isn't setting the market like Bosa was last year so these negotiations shouldn't be that difficult. There are plenty of recent WR contract comps for both sides to use.
Devonta Smith has more catches, yards and touchdowns over the past 3 seasons than Brandon Aiyuk. BA's contract should be just right around there. And Devonta is a better player, but if we want to split atoms that is fine. But sure BA had a better year *last year*Probably bc they feel the overpaid the last WR that had a career year and hasn't come close to the numbers he put up in his contract year. Its not like Aiyuk has been setting the world on fire his entire career, but he wants to be paid like a top 10 guy, which he ...is not.Schefter getting a little dramatic.
If he was that disgruntled he wouldn’t be meeting with the 49ers.
They’re reportedly like 4M apart. They’ll get it done.
I don't understand what the issue is here. Aiyuk isn't setting the market like Bosa was last year so these negotiations shouldn't be that difficult. There are plenty of recent WR contract comps for both sides to use.
I disagree, his performance last year puts him in the top 10 of WRs. He's just had back to back 1000 yards seasons and made 2nd team All-Pro last season after having 75-1342-7. The floor for his contract negotiations is DeVonta Smith who just signed a 3/$75M ($51M guaranteed) who Aiyuk has outperformed, but I'd put him closer, but not quite above, AJ Brown who just signed a 3/$96M ($84M guaranteed). I'd say something around 3/$90M ($75M+ guaranteed) is his market value.
Put aside if Devonta or Aiyuk is better and a lot of people are shaking their heads that Devonta agreed to that contract. It got to a point he was asked if he regrets it already and he just said somethign about he worries about his pay and not others but I think at this point most people recognize he chose longer term security but came up way short on capitalizing his value. That should in no way be Aiyuks bar or goal to enter into that kind of deal and per Mike Silvers reporting from a few weeks ago he's alreayd been offered more then that, and rightfully said no.Devonta Smith has more catches, yards and touchdowns over the past 3 seasons than Brandon Aiyuk. BA's contract should be just right around there. And Devonta is a better player, but if we want to split atoms that is fine. But sure BA had a better year *last year*Probably bc they feel the overpaid the last WR that had a career year and hasn't come close to the numbers he put up in his contract year. Its not like Aiyuk has been setting the world on fire his entire career, but he wants to be paid like a top 10 guy, which he ...is not.Schefter getting a little dramatic.
If he was that disgruntled he wouldn’t be meeting with the 49ers.
They’re reportedly like 4M apart. They’ll get it done.
I don't understand what the issue is here. Aiyuk isn't setting the market like Bosa was last year so these negotiations shouldn't be that difficult. There are plenty of recent WR contract comps for both sides to use.
I disagree, his performance last year puts him in the top 10 of WRs. He's just had back to back 1000 yards seasons and made 2nd team All-Pro last season after having 75-1342-7. The floor for his contract negotiations is DeVonta Smith who just signed a 3/$75M ($51M guaranteed) who Aiyuk has outperformed, but I'd put him closer, but not quite above, AJ Brown who just signed a 3/$96M ($84M guaranteed). I'd say something around 3/$90M ($75M+ guaranteed) is his market value.
Personally, I hope the 49ers either pay him $30M+ per year or trade him though.
I feel ya. Some guys are just built differently than others. I've beaten the horse dead enough on the "Gm's should sign players earlier rather than later to get a better deal for the team" so, from what I have learned most believe players should hold out for every single last penny, and that is fine. I'm not sure about it. BA is up for a new contract and if he thinks he is worth more than Saint Brown, Waddle, Devonta, etc and b/c he is next in line and the market "always goes up" I don't have any issue with it.Put aside if Devonta or Aiyuk is better and a lot of people are shaking their heads that Devonta agreed to that contract. It got to a point he was asked if he regrets it already and he just said somethign about he worries about his pay and not others but I think at this point most people recognize he chose longer term security but came up way short on capitalizing his value. That should in no way be Aiyuks bar or goal to enter into that kind of deal and per Mike Silvers reporting from a few weeks ago he's alreayd been offered more then that, and rightfully said no.Devonta Smith has more catches, yards and touchdowns over the past 3 seasons than Brandon Aiyuk. BA's contract should be just right around there. And Devonta is a better player, but if we want to split atoms that is fine. But sure BA had a better year *last year*Probably bc they feel the overpaid the last WR that had a career year and hasn't come close to the numbers he put up in his contract year. Its not like Aiyuk has been setting the world on fire his entire career, but he wants to be paid like a top 10 guy, which he ...is not.Schefter getting a little dramatic.
If he was that disgruntled he wouldn’t be meeting with the 49ers.
They’re reportedly like 4M apart. They’ll get it done.
I don't understand what the issue is here. Aiyuk isn't setting the market like Bosa was last year so these negotiations shouldn't be that difficult. There are plenty of recent WR contract comps for both sides to use.
I disagree, his performance last year puts him in the top 10 of WRs. He's just had back to back 1000 yards seasons and made 2nd team All-Pro last season after having 75-1342-7. The floor for his contract negotiations is DeVonta Smith who just signed a 3/$75M ($51M guaranteed) who Aiyuk has outperformed, but I'd put him closer, but not quite above, AJ Brown who just signed a 3/$96M ($84M guaranteed). I'd say something around 3/$90M ($75M+ guaranteed) is his market value.
Personally, I hope the 49ers either pay him $30M+ per year or trade him though.
Devonta made one of the worst decisions I can recall a player making in FA in last few years IMO. He took a below market deal to be a second banana with a QB who is not even a great passers. I know you are an Eagles fan, Devonta likes it there and maybe he wins a SB and enjoys all that glory but I really hate he's put himself in that situation and again that should not be Aiyuks goal.
Off the top of my head, me, Joe Banner, Randy Mueller, a few beat writers I follow including whichever one asked him if he already regrets taking that deal. And I'd assume most of his dynasty owners. Great deal for the Eagles. To be clear the people shaking their heads is because he took the long term security but failed to maximize his overall pay and then saw his own team pay another WR on the team way more then him.
Kind of said it already but I will again. I think he's better then to put himself in a position where the team values another WR on the team $7M more a year then him. Just think he's better then that. I feel like he's a bona fide #1 WR who will spend the entirety of the prime of his career being paid and treated like the #2 WR on his own team. And with a QB who I still think has limitations as a passer. I would have liked to see him have more "dog" in him. To think of himself as his team #1 and want to be paid and treated that way. He accepted being the second banana on his own team, and by most account has already taken a contract that looks under valued. You can throw around long term security but he'd have had that and more pay, and a higher standing in his teams pecking order, if he had not agreed to an extension so early. Secondly his legacy. If he wins a SB, sure that help a lot but his stats will likely never be huge, decent but not huge, people will continue to debate if he's just a good #2 and not a #1 and because he's wrapped up till his age 30 season these are answers we may never know.
Fair enough. To be clear, AJ Brown signed his extension first, then Devonta signed his after that. Not everyone wants to be the "bona fide #1 top dog/no one else gets targets" kinda guy. Probably has more to do with who he is and where he came from (Alabama where he was never truly the only guy) and the fact he is a team player, seems to really have a brotherhood with that other WR on his team, and maybe likes the fact that the team wins games, something he has done most of the entirety of his football career. He's got a National Championship, the game winning catch in that game as well as the first WR to win a Heisman since...just 2 other guys Tim Brown and Desmond Howard. The talking heads will be talking heads what can you do. If Joe Banner could still hack it, he'd probably be IN the NFL instead of writing ABOUT the NFL.
No sir, AJB agreed to his second extension about 10 days after Devonta.
I don’t know. If another team really valued him that highly I think he would have drawn stronger trade interest at the draft. I think he’s great but he’s not a game breaker and that’s what guys at the top end of the range are getting paid to do.
He was/is not a FA. Big difference versus paying him $28-30m vs paying him that AND giving up something like a mid first.
I understand that, but teams are willing to part with draft compensation and big contracts for the top receivers (eg, AJB). If a bunch of teams felt strongly enough about Aiyuk to be fighting to sign him to a $30m/year deal, I think (and it's speculation, admittedly) at least one of them would have been willing to pony up some premium draft compensation too.
It's not quite an equal comp. Top of the pay on an AJB extension when he got traded is not what it is now should be accounted for as well as how strong the rookie class was. For instance teams would have needed to consider drafting a Brian Thomas JR and paying him $3.5M for 4 years and controlling his 5th year or paying about $26-27 on top of that to lock up Aiyuk for 2-3 years. I just don't see how you can see a team choosing not to do that as an indication of what Aiyuk would earn on the open market.
I'm positing the trade interest in Aiyuk (or lack thereof) is at least loosely correlated with how much other teams value him as a player, and thus how much they'd be willing to pay him as a free agent. I have a thorough understanding of why those two markets may not be perfectly correlated. If you don't think that trade interest is conceivably relevant to forecasting market value, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
We don't even know what was offered or refused for starters, to go along with the other stuff I mentioned, so yes to the bolded.
He's not negotiating though, just voicing an opinion. You maybe could argue that impacts the negotiations but I doubt it. Sorta besides the point but Lamar Jackson also negotiated his contract and seemed to do fine.
Elite like Flacco?
Wouldn’t go that far. Ol Joe is the GOAT. Sorry TB12 and the New England TB12 too.
I don't really care to do the leg work on it again; but all those stats are very team dependent. I think if you look at metrics which are solely dependent upon the player and less/not impacted by actual usage, Aiyuk comes into the elite conversation. YPRR, YPR, +20 yard receptions, First downs, separation scores, route running success, etc. etc. Aiyuk winds up in the top 10, if not the top 5, of nearly all of those statistics. That's why I do consider him elite; just under utilized in the SF offense. But they are winning playing that way, so I won't fault them for it. Also why I said in my post, I can understand them not wanting to pay him a huge contract. Not because he's not worth it, but because he just may not be worth it to them specifically as their organization doesn't need all that from him. Different players and skill sets, but with regards to talent vs situation and usage, I see Aiyuk in SF like Diggs in Minn. If he went to a dozen other teams in the league he would easily be a top 5 scoring fantasy player year over year based on his talents IMO.
Are there many people out there that believe Ricky Pearsall is a replacement for Aiyuk?
