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WR CeeDee Lamb, DAL (2 Viewers)
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As a guy who owns both, I agree...
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Deciding on Lamb in the lineup and if I want to take out Jeanty, Pickens, Odunze or MccConkey.
I'm confused by this. I would think if you owned both, you'd want both to play. Its not like Pickens is getting 100% of the receiving production without Lamb. Lamb+Pickens is likely better than Pickens+rando.
Maybe it's the idea of let Pickens cook while Lamb isn't 100% and keep him out until he is so that Lamb will be back to full speed. The risk being that if Lamb is back at less than 100% it drags down performance of both guys to the point you don't have an elite option.
You're right, I would likely have to start both. Would the two together be better than my other options (Waddle, MHJr, Jamo)? Maybe. But I like having an elite guy there like Pickens has been.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah you run the risk of going from having 1 top 5 WR in Pickens to 2 WR3 types if a still hobbled Lamb eats into George’s targets.
I guess I just don't see that scenario happening. Dallas offense is too good. If Lamb and Pickens have WR3 weeks, its because Javonte Williams and Jake Ferguson had 4 TDs or something.
I get not wanting Lamb back, if you have Pickens. But having both, I just don't get not wanting the guy you took in the 1st round out there. I think there are absolutely gonna be weeks where both guys are top-12, and I think this could be one of them.
Its not about not wanting Lamb back out there.......it's about not wanting a hobbled Lamb underperforming out there.
Insein
Footballguy
CD Lamb said he will play Week 7 with no limitations.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Right back to being an elite WR1. There aren't many WRs I am taking over Lamb ROS considering how good Dak looks. Puka has his usual health scares, JJ issues at QB, although Flacco loved Chase last week I don't know how long he will hold up/keep putting up good performances, etc.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
who gets Surtain this week? him or Pickens?
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Hopefully Pickens lol. IIRC doesn't Lamb move around a lot and sometimes in the slot? Does Surtain typically follow teams WR1 or moreso just one side of the field?
eighsse2
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they do move Lamb around a lot. But I don't know about Surtain.
I got this wrong Eagles week, where I thought Surtain wouldn't follow AJ, but with a little more evidence, I think we can make a guess this week.
Denver has played 3 games this season, where a team had multiple big time WR threats. Chargers, Bengals, and Eagles.
Chargers-he covered Johnston
Bengals-he covered Chase
Eagles-he covered AJ
The Chargers one is the one that throws me from thinking Surtain just covers Lamb. In all 3 cases he covered the more "downfield threat" and none of those guys play in the slot as much as Lamb does. I guess I think Surtain probably rotates and sees some of both Lamb and Pickens. I wouldn't let Surtain affect any lineup decisions this week, not that anyone is likely sitting Lamb or Pickens this week.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Quiet day by Lamb's standards. Still ended with 10 targets.
What happened? Was Dak that bad or Denver D that good? Was Surtain on Lamb a lot?
What happened? Was Dak that bad or Denver D that good? Was Surtain on Lamb a lot?
Surtain was on Pickens almost every snap but also missed most of the game.
Lamb did draw 2 endzone pass interference penalties (people starting Javonte Williams were happy) so they were targeting him in important spots.
Dak didn't have a good day, and Denver's D played pretty well. Pass rush was winning consistently.
Surtain barely played
Boston
Footballguy
CeeDee Lamb, George Pickens missed curfew while at a casino Sunday night
Cowboys coach Brian Schottenheimer benched CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens for the first series in Monday night's game in Las Vegas.
www.nbcsports.com
Jefferson is worse but lamb is up there
BTJ owners would like a word with you.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
WR2 in Dallas now. Pretty easy to see.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Week after week this guy is ranked top five and Pickens is always behind him. I bet you that changes going forward.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Turd
Right through his hands.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Got awful quiet in here - cat got y’all’s tongue now that Lamb had a beastly day?
eighsse2
Footballguy
Pickens did still out-target him by a wide margin. But Lamb was more successful on those fewer targets. Hopefully Dak gets back locked onto Lamb down the stretch.
zamboni
Footballguy
Lamb has never had a high quality second option beside him like Pickett. Assuming the Cowboys lock Pickett up, we may have to lower Lamb’s ceiling a bit both the rest of this way and maybe into 2026. CeeDee will still get his but the days of consistent 10-12+ targets may be reduced significantly.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
13-9?
eighsse2
Footballguy
That's the one. 44%.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Yeah these guys you get late like that are what win championships. I got Pickens in round 6 (52) (and J.Williams (Det) the next round at 69.)
He made up for losing Nabors.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Amari Cooper?
zamboni
Footballguy
Fair - Cooper was the guy in Lamb’s rookie year, Lamb emerged as the top dog in year 2 with Cooper still there, and really exploded in year 3 when Cooper was gone.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Does Pickens lower Lamb's ceiling? Sure. Pickens is a better WR. The only reason that wasn't the consensus early in the season is that Pickens was held hostage in Pittsburgh while Lamb was feasting with Dak.
There was a little bit of luck involved for Pickens with Lamb's injury, though. It allowed Pickens to shine, but it would've happened eventually, anyway. Lamb can still be a good FF WR, but he's simply not the player Pickens is.
There was a little bit of luck involved for Pickens with Lamb's injury, though. It allowed Pickens to shine, but it would've happened eventually, anyway. Lamb can still be a good FF WR, but he's simply not the player Pickens is.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Talk about an over reaction to half a season.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Eyeballs. CeeDee doesn't do anything better than George. There was a time CeeDee was a much better route runner, but Pickens has made huge strides as Romo pointed out yesterday. The difference in their hands, contested catch ability, and raw athletic talent isn't close.
That said, I've posted on this several times and I wouldn't necessarily assume Pickens will be a better FF WR. He could draw most of the opposing D's focus like yesterday, which will make Lamb more efficient. However, Spags is one of the best and the vast majority of teams won't be able to affect Pickens so much.
In all likelihood, Pickens is going to be the better long-term FF WR, but there's a slight chance Lamb will score about the same.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
You said a lot here with really saying nothing. Ceedee is the vastly superior route runner. No doubt Pickens is good and has been unlocked in the Dallas offense.
Your eyes make you a prisoner of the moment, because every time Jared Goff would have a bad game you would say Hendon Hooker needs a chance because he would be better than Goff. He is now literally a free agent for anyone to sign and no one wants him. Sometimes good players have bad games, sometimes average players have phenomenal seasons.
Football Jones
Footballguy
The ol' Hooker reference, haha. Without getting into it too much here, I said I never would've signed Goff to the big extension because he's not the type of QB who's going to win a title. If it was Hooker or Rooker or Looker or whoever they drafted in day-2, I would've given them a shot and continued to look at QB in the draft (Nix, etc.). Easy enough.
Now that Hook is out of the way, Lamb is a vastly superior route runner? I don't think so. You sound like a Lamb owner, lol. Let's assume we give the edge to Lamb in route running, he's not even close in the other areas. Things change fast in the NFL. It just goes to show how important situation is. You find out just how important when players are on the same team.
Pickens is a better WR and that's not something that's negotiable. What is somewhat negotiable is which one is the better FF WR.
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eighsse2
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
Are you saying Lamb is a better WR?
Football Jones
Footballguy
I'm curious...who thinks Lamb is a better WR?
