WR Chris Olave, NO (5 Viewers)

[Ilov80s]

Speeding ticket is not even the issue here. He hasn’t had that dog in him since the start of the season. He is what he is. Eventually Saints will start giving his opportunities to other payers who are more hungrier.

There isn’t an issue with him as much as has been led to believe. Carr seems to be more of the issue. Carr doesn’t seem to be on the same paige with both Thomas and Olave. Shaheed looks to be the only one in sync with Carr at the moment, and he seems to be getting limited opportunities.

Good thing is that it's an issue until it isn't. One big week is all it takes. Some may think that big week won't happen I tend to believe it will. Im just hoping he gets in a wr2 groove come week 11 to finish out.

The problem for some Olave managers now is that this big week might come with him on their bench.

I for one can’t refuse to sit him at this point. I was thinking an it when I first read a few weeks ago about his body language. Then I started paying more attention when I read a beat writers article refuting the claims he was not giving much effort. As a Saints fan, I’ve tried to give Carr the benefit of the doubt, but he seems to be the major issue.

So for conversation purposes who are u now starting over him?

No one. He’s stayed in my lineup. I guess you misread what I said. I have him in all 3 of my redraft leagues, but I am a Saints fan. As long as the targets are there, I don’t think I can sit him as they are all ppr.

My bad and I agree with your response. Unless it's like an 8 man league it just seems like everyone is either gonna be happy or go down with the ship. Ha ha

Mostly, but possible you got lucky with a WW guy like Puka or got later values like Jordan Addison, Jakobi Meyers, Nico Collins or Christian Kirk.

 

[Shawnky]

Speeding ticket is not even the issue here. He hasn’t had that dog in him since the start of the season. He is what he is. Eventually Saints will start giving his opportunities to other payers who are more hungrier.

There isn’t an issue with him as much as has been led to believe. Carr seems to be more of the issue. Carr doesn’t seem to be on the same paige with both Thomas and Olave. Shaheed looks to be the only one in sync with Carr at the moment, and he seems to be getting limited opportunities.

Good thing is that it's an issue until it isn't. One big week is all it takes. Some may think that big week won't happen I tend to believe it will. Im just hoping he gets in a wr2 groove come week 11 to finish out.

The problem for some Olave managers now is that this big week might come with him on their bench.

I for one can’t refuse to sit him at this point. I was thinking an it when I first read a few weeks ago about his body language. Then I started paying more attention when I read a beat writers article refuting the claims he was not giving much effort. As a Saints fan, I’ve tried to give Carr the benefit of the doubt, but he seems to be the major issue.

So for conversation purposes who are u now starting over him?

No one. He’s stayed in my lineup. I guess you misread what I said. I have him in all 3 of my redraft leagues, but I am a Saints fan. As long as the targets are there, I don’t think I can sit him as they are all ppr.

Don't think that's a misread ... "can't refuse to sit him" would mean you've accepted that you need to sit him.

OOPS......well I guess i didn't type it in the manner I meant. Thanks.

 

[Ilov80s]

Also is Olave doing that bad or were expectations too high? Last year he averaged 13.3 PPR PPG. This year he is at 12.7. So he's pretty much delivering what he did last season.

 

[Shawnky]

Speeding ticket is not even the issue here. He hasn’t had that dog in him since the start of the season. He is what he is. Eventually Saints will start giving his opportunities to other payers who are more hungrier.

There isn’t an issue with him as much as has been led to believe. Carr seems to be more of the issue. Carr doesn’t seem to be on the same paige with both Thomas and Olave. Shaheed looks to be the only one in sync with Carr at the moment, and he seems to be getting limited opportunities.

Good thing is that it's an issue until it isn't. One big week is all it takes. Some may think that big week won't happen I tend to believe it will. Im just hoping he gets in a wr2 groove come week 11 to finish out.

The problem for some Olave managers now is that this big week might come with him on their bench.

I for one can’t refuse to sit him at this point. I was thinking an it when I first read a few weeks ago about his body language. Then I started paying more attention when I read a beat writers article refuting the claims he was not giving much effort. As a Saints fan, I’ve tried to give Carr the benefit of the doubt, but he seems to be the major issue.

So for conversation purposes who are u now starting over him?

No one. He’s stayed in my lineup. I guess you misread what I said. I have him in all 3 of my redraft leagues, but I am a Saints fan. As long as the targets are there, I don’t think I can sit him as they are all ppr.

My bad and I agree with your response. Unless it's like an 8 man league it just seems like everyone is either gonna be happy or go down with the ship. Ha ha

No. As the poster above showed, I didn't type it correctly. Sorry for my lack of presenting my proper argument. I can't bring myself to sit him based on what I pointed out. And they are are all 12 team leagues with him being my WR2 in all. I have Diggs in 1 and Chase in the other 2 as my WR1.

 

[Shawnky]

Also is Olave doing that bad or were expectations too high? Last year he averaged 13.3 PPR PPG. This year he is at 12.7. So he's pretty much delivering what he did last season.

I think everyone expected more based on last year being his rookie year.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Also is Olave doing that bad or were expectations too high? Last year he averaged 13.3 PPR PPG. This year he is at 12.7. So he's pretty much delivering what he did last season.

I think everyone expected more based on last year being his rookie year.

WR27 a year ago. It's quite common for rookie starters to make a year two jump / improvement, and he wasn't . Olave is WR36 this year.

edit

His Labor Day ECR (expert consensus ranking) was WR11, his ADP was WR12 - both in full PPR.

80s if you reply "well that was too high" Imma come over to your house, ring your doorbell, and punch you right in the kisser in front of your wife and dog.

 

[Ilov80s]

Also is Olave doing that bad or were expectations too high? Last year he averaged 13.3 PPR PPG. This year he is at 12.7. So he's pretty much delivering what he did last season.

I think everyone expected more based on last year being his rookie year.

For sure but some players don't improve. They just are who they are. Maybe's that the case with Olave- especially being a seasoned senior. It seems like a knock on him was that he's maybe not the high upside guy like Wilson. Maybe it's just another year of poor QB play hurting him?

 

[Doug B]

WR27 a year ago. It's quite common for rookie starters to make a year two jump / improvement, and he wasn't . Olave is WR36 this year.

Anyone else remember in the 1990s, often a rookie wideout would have a nice season out the box and then fade hard in year two?

Eddie Kenison for the Rams is one top-of-the-head example, but there were more.

 

[Doug B]

As a Saints fan, I’ve tried to give Carr the benefit of the doubt, but he seems to be the major issue.

I see signs that the offensive line and Carr are both righting the ship. Carr's been taking way too much blame IMHO, some periods of poor play notwithstanding.

 

[Shawnky]

As a Saints fan, I’ve tried to give Carr the benefit of the doubt, but he seems to be the major issue.

I see signs that the offensive line and Carr are both righting the ship. Carr's been taking way too much blame IMHO, some periods of poor play notwithstanding.

I completely agree. Penning obviously has been a bust up to this point. Peat has to be gone and wasn't worth the contract. Hopefully Ruiz continues to progress on last season since he just got that new contract.

 

[Doug B]

Peat has to be gone and wasn't worth the contract.

Peat has been the starting left tackle the last two games. He's been holding down the fort so far.

(For non-Saints fans: Peat entered the 2023 season as the backup at both LG and LT. He had previously started at LG for several seasons)

 

[Shawnky]

WR27 a year ago. It's quite common for rookie starters to make a year two jump / improvement, and he wasn't . Olave is WR36 this year.

Anyone else remember in the 1990s, often a rookie wideout would have a nice season out the box and then fade hard in year two?

Eddie Kenison for the Rams is one top-of-the-head example, but there were more.

I remember Mark Clayton specifically in the 2000s. I think both he and Kennison went to LSU. I traded for Clayton in my first dynasty league after his rookie year and remember being extremely disappointed.

 

[Shawnky]

Peat has to be gone and wasn't worth the contract.

Peat has been the starting left tackle the last two games. He's been holding down the fort so far.

(For non-Saints fans: Peat entered the 2023 season as the backup at both LG and LT. He had previously started at LG for several seasons)

Yeah, but he has been disappointing still. And he's always hurt. I still think it's time to move on.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Eddie Kennison vibes

Great rookie year, didn’t hit FF relevance again until Y6, didn’t exceed his rookie year until Y8/Y9 by which he time he was undervalued bc he had disappointed for years.

 

[FarFromHome]

It's funny how we analyze things as fantasy nerds. Even funnier, is that if he doesn't take that one off his face and walks into the end zone the tone is completely different. I still believe.

 

[travdogg]

WR27 a year ago. It's quite common for rookie starters to make a year two jump / improvement, and he wasn't . Olave is WR36 this year.

Anyone else remember in the 1990s, often a rookie wideout would have a nice season out the box and then fade hard in year two?

Eddie Kenison for the Rams is one top-of-the-head example, but there were more.

I remember Mark Clayton specifically in the 2000s. I think both he and Kennison went to LSU. I traded for Clayton in my first dynasty league after his rookie year and remember being extremely disappointed.

That was Michael Clayton.

 

[BobbyLayne]

WR27 a year ago. It's quite common for rookie starters to make a year two jump / improvement, and he wasn't . Olave is WR36 this year.

Anyone else remember in the 1990s, often a rookie wideout would have a nice season out the box and then fade hard in year two?

Eddie Kenison for the Rams is one top-of-the-head example, but there were more.

missed this earlier

his rookie year was 1996

Eddie Kennison vibes

Great rookie year, didn’t hit FF relevance again until Y6, didn’t exceed his rookie year until Y8/Y9 by which he time he was undervalued bc he had disappointed for years.

I had Eddie in 2005, he was on the way to backing up his 2004 season (WR21, WR12 on a PPG basis) with a WR18 campaign. I forget the details but I tried to include him in 2 for 2 trade and the other owner had a visceral reaction. Like stole his girl mad.

I was like dude, whatever just chill, let's work out another combo. Before we did he sent me a long email explaining the many times Eddie had effed him over when he needed a decent floor game.

 

[Judge Smails]

Is there a more hated WR in the NFL right now?

Wat?

 

[Shawnky]

WR27 a year ago. It's quite common for rookie starters to make a year two jump / improvement, and he wasn't . Olave is WR36 this year.

Anyone else remember in the 1990s, often a rookie wideout would have a nice season out the box and then fade hard in year two?

Eddie Kenison for the Rams is one top-of-the-head example, but there were more.

I remember Mark Clayton specifically in the 2000s. I think both he and Kennison went to LSU. I traded for Clayton in my first dynasty league after his rookie year and remember being extremely disappointed.

That was Michael Clayton.

Thought I had corrected that properly. I know the difference between the 2.

 

[FarFromHome]

8 targets. 6 catches. 1 TD. Not exactly stretching the field, but still putting up points. Only two 100 yard receiving games. I think at Minnesota is his 3rd.

 

[BobbyLayne]

dude out here blocking as the Saints run 3 RB rushes & get a false start on 4th and 1 with Taysom in at QB

down by 21

A.T. Perry having a better day

zero (0) targets

 

[ZADO]

dude out here blocking as the Saints run 3 RB rushes & get a false start on 4th and 1 with Taysom in at QB

down by 21

A.T. Perry having a better day

zero (0) targets

We need a MAD emoji

 

[Todem]

It’s been a disastrous Sophomore season to say the least.

 

[scottybo]

dude out here blocking as the Saints run 3 RB rushes & get a false start on 4th and 1 with Taysom in at QB

down by 21

A.T. Perry having a better day

zero (0) targets

We need a MAD emoji

and are excellent choices that already exist.

 

[BobbyLayne]

my win probability has dropped from 82% at 1:15pm to 53% at 3pm

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50% at 3:02

lovely

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43% at 3:03

I'm going for a walk

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37% by the time I got my shoes on at 3:04

 

[heckmanm]

THERE HE IS!!

 

[Blick]

my win probability has dropped from 82% at 1:15pm to 53% at 3pm

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50% at 3:02

lovely

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43% at 3:03

I'm going for a walk

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37% by the time I got my shoes on at 3:04

Now do Chase.

 

[BobbyLayne]

J Winston comes in AND WHADDYAKNOW Olave with a 20 yarder Olave with a TD

 

[Desert_Power]

Should have benched this bum Carr long ago. Thanks Jamies

 

[BobbyLayne]

my win probability has dropped from 82% at 1:15pm to 53% at 3pm

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50% at 3:02

lovely

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43% at 3:03

I'm going for a walk

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37% by the time I got my shoes on at 3:04

Now do Chase.

I have him too, how do you think I got into this mess

back up to 50%

 

[Blick]

my win probability has dropped from 82% at 1:15pm to 53% at 3pm

---

50% at 3:02

lovely

---

43% at 3:03

I'm going for a walk

---

37% by the time I got my shoes on at 3:04

Now do Chase.

I have him too, how do you think I got into this mess

back up to 50%

Thank you

 

[heckmanm]

my win probability has dropped from 82% at 1:15pm to 53% at 3pm

---

50% at 3:02

lovely

---

43% at 3:03

I'm going for a walk

---

37% by the time I got my shoes on at 3:04

Now do Chase.

He did!

 

[BobbyLayne]

my win probability has dropped from 82% at 1:15pm to 53% at 3pm

---

50% at 3:02

lovely

---

43% at 3:03

I'm going for a walk

---

37% by the time I got my shoes on at 3:04

Now do Chase.

I have him too, how do you think I got into this mess

back up to 50%

Thank you

75% baby

 

[BobbyLayne]

I have Burrow too that was glorious

Olave got a 3rd down target (incomplete0

AFTER two incompletions to Taysom

Allen needs to go

 

[Desert_Power]

my win probability has dropped from 82% at 1:15pm to 53% at 3pm

---

50% at 3:02

lovely

---

43% at 3:03

I'm going for a walk

---

37% by the time I got my shoes on at 3:04

Now do Chase.

I have him too, how do you think I got into this mess

back up to 50%

Thank you

75% baby

Epic

 

[BobbyLayne]

my win probability has dropped from 82% at 1:15pm to 53% at 3pm

---

50% at 3:02

lovely

---

43% at 3:03

I'm going for a walk

---

37% by the time I got my shoes on at 3:04

Now do Chase.

I have him too, how do you think I got into this mess

back up to 50%

Thank you

75% baby

Epic

best part is it's a PPR bonus league (extra 3 points for TDs over 40)

need a napkin to scratch out how many points that one play netted me lol

 

[Todem]

And just like that…..boom

 

[scottybo]

I'm not glad Carr was injured, but I'm glad he's no longer in the game for the purpose of Olave's stats being good.

 

[Judge Smails]

Should have been over 100 too. Big catch called back

 

[FarFromHome]

As an Olave owner, a Monday announcement that Winston is the starter would be glorious. Carr never takes chances while Winston almost takes too man. Ha ha

 

[BobbyLayne]

As an Olave owner, a Monday announcement that Winston is the starter would be glorious. Carr never takes chances while Winston almost takes too man. Ha ha

YOLO Dennis Allen

 

[FarFromHome]

As an Olave owner, a Monday announcement that Winston is the starter would be glorious. Carr never takes chances while Winston almost takes too man. Ha ha

YOLO Dennis Allen

Hilarious. Last week my 17 year old daughter actually had to explain to old man dad what yolo was. I know what you meant!!!! Ha ha

 

[BobbyLayne]

As an Olave owner, a Monday announcement that Winston is the starter would be glorious. Carr never takes chances while Winston almost takes too man. Ha ha

YOLO Dennis Allen

Hilarious. Last week my 17 year old daughter actually had to explain to old man dad what yolo was. I know what you meant!!!! Ha ha

I have a 15 y,o. keeping me hip

no cap

 

[ShamrockPride]

Took one half to prove that Olave is not the problem.

 

[rockaction]

Took one half to prove that Olave is not the problem.

And seven minutes to dispel the notion that Jameis should be a starting quarterback in the NFL.

But your point is taken.

 

[BobbyLayne]

my win probability has dropped from 82% at 1:15pm to 53% at 3pm

---

50% at 3:02

lovely

---

43% at 3:03

I'm going for a walk

---

37% by the time I got my shoes on at 3:04

Now do Chase.

I have him too, how do you think I got into this mess

back up to 50%

Thank you

75% baby

Epic

best part is it's a PPR bonus league (extra 3 points for TDs over 40)

need a napkin to scratch out how many points that one play netted me lol

SIDETRACK

	Burrow	Chase
reception		1.00
64 yards	2.56	6.40
touchdown	4.00	6.00
40+ Yard Completion	1.00
40+ Yard Reception		1.00
40+ Yard Passing Touchdown	2.00
40+ Yard Receiving Touchdown		2.00
TOTAL​	9.56	16.40
25.96​

3:00 53% win probability
3:03 50%
3:04 43%

3:09 Olave 20 yard reception from Winston + 14 yard TD from Winston 50%

3:18 Burrow-to-Chase 64 yard TD 75% win probability

/sidetrack

 

[crushedspirit]

We know Winston is a turnover machine, but one can easily see that Olave is simply not the biggest issue with Carr at the controls.

 

[Judge Smails]

Took one half to prove that Olave is not the problem.

Would have been well over 100 yards for half if that one big catch wasn't called back. Zero targets in the first half for a WR like Olave is grounds for people losing their job

 

[FarFromHome]

This isn't a Carr hate post but rather a why I like Winston as an Olave owner.

1. He loves to bomb it
2. He loves to turn the ball over which always has his team playing from behind.

 

[eagles 123]

All aboard JW train.