WR Cooper Kupp, SEA (6 Viewers)

[jm192]

I don't feel confident he stays healthy.
I don't feel confident the volume is where it needs to be for him to get back into the top 12.

FBG has him at 14th in PPR rankings. That's way too rich for me.
Fantasypros has him at WR19 in PPR rankings.

I'm probably closer to WR24 or 25.

If he was 31 and didn't have Puka taking targets, I could get more on board with maybe him having another massive season. As it stands, I Think he's going to be closer to 85 for 1100 than 120 for 1500

85 for 1100 and 8ish tds would be a top 12 wr.

The 85 for 1100 assumes a full season. I don't have a lot confidence he does that.
8 TD's COULD happen. But he's had more than 6 TD's twice in his career. You can certainly argue what his TD's would have been if not for injury--but you're still having to embrace the injury side of the debate.

But as far as "He could be top 12." Sure. But if you're saying 1100 and 8 gets me there: I think there are a lot of guys that can get there with less age/injury concerns. Devonta Smith has averaged 88 for 1130 and 7 TD's over the last 2 years. Amari Cooper has averaged 1200 and 7 over the last 2 years; is a year younger, doesn't have another star pass catcher, and hasn't missed nearly the time Kupp has.

So, if we're saying Kupp "Could" get back into the top 12. Sure. Lots of people could finish top 12.
Do I feel confident in it for Kupp? Not really.

His injury concerns are baked into his price. That is why he is going in the 3rd and 4th round of drafts and not the 1st or 2nd.

Can you clearly explain to me what you think Kupp does stat wise and finish wise?

1. On one hand, you say he has a path to finishing top 12.
2. I offer up projections for 85 for 1100--and you say with enough TD's, that could be top 12.
3. I offer up guys like Smith and Amari Cooper who are already giving you those numbers with less injury risk
4. You tell me that Kupp would be going in the 1st or 2nd round if not for the injury concern.

So at first you're saying he COULD still be a top 12 finisher. Then you're saying he's really a 1st or 2nd rounder, which suggests you are VERY confident he'll finish top 12. It would seem to me if you think he's a 1st or 2nd round talent--you're expecting ~1300-1400 yards, no? But I don't expect that. Do you think he's going for another massive season at age 31 with Puka taking targets? I think he's a very talented player. But he certainly benefited from little target competition on the roster.

His 17 game pace last year: 84, 1044, 7.

I said upstream, I'd guess 85 for 1100. I'd go 6 or 7 TD's assuming a full season. That's Amari Cooper production. That's Devonta Smith production. So I think the 3rd or 4th round price tag is probably in line with the expected production. I don't think there's actually some big discount.

Again, You say "Cooper Kupp has a path to being top 12" Yeah. But so does Amari. So does Devonta. So does Waddle.

I don't get it. Where did I say those guys couldn't finish as a top 12 wr? Those guys have issues too. Last year Kupp played hurt, the two years before when he was healthy he averaged over 100 yards and close to a td per game. Neither of those guys have the ceiling Kupp has.

In one post you're saying "Kupp has a path to top 12." In another, you're talking like his upside is the same as it's always been, which would be WR1 overall.

I guess we disagree about Kupp's ceiling. I think he was that guy before he turned 30 and before he had Puka to eat into his volume.

I don't think he's going to "return to form" in 2024. He was getting absolutely insane volume during his dominant run. He's not going to get that in 2024.

I think when you said 1100 and 8--that's pretty optomistic for a 31 year old Kupp that has to contend with Puka. I certainly think Devonte has that ceilling. I certainly think Amari has that ceiling. I think Waddle has that ceiling.

 

[msudaisy26]

I don't feel confident he stays healthy.
I don't feel confident the volume is where it needs to be for him to get back into the top 12.

FBG has him at 14th in PPR rankings. That's way too rich for me.
Fantasypros has him at WR19 in PPR rankings.

I'm probably closer to WR24 or 25.

If he was 31 and didn't have Puka taking targets, I could get more on board with maybe him having another massive season. As it stands, I Think he's going to be closer to 85 for 1100 than 120 for 1500

85 for 1100 and 8ish tds would be a top 12 wr.

The 85 for 1100 assumes a full season. I don't have a lot confidence he does that.
8 TD's COULD happen. But he's had more than 6 TD's twice in his career. You can certainly argue what his TD's would have been if not for injury--but you're still having to embrace the injury side of the debate.

But as far as "He could be top 12." Sure. But if you're saying 1100 and 8 gets me there: I think there are a lot of guys that can get there with less age/injury concerns. Devonta Smith has averaged 88 for 1130 and 7 TD's over the last 2 years. Amari Cooper has averaged 1200 and 7 over the last 2 years; is a year younger, doesn't have another star pass catcher, and hasn't missed nearly the time Kupp has.

So, if we're saying Kupp "Could" get back into the top 12. Sure. Lots of people could finish top 12.
Do I feel confident in it for Kupp? Not really.

His injury concerns are baked into his price. That is why he is going in the 3rd and 4th round of drafts and not the 1st or 2nd.

Can you clearly explain to me what you think Kupp does stat wise and finish wise?

1. On one hand, you say he has a path to finishing top 12.
2. I offer up projections for 85 for 1100--and you say with enough TD's, that could be top 12.
3. I offer up guys like Smith and Amari Cooper who are already giving you those numbers with less injury risk
4. You tell me that Kupp would be going in the 1st or 2nd round if not for the injury concern.

So at first you're saying he COULD still be a top 12 finisher. Then you're saying he's really a 1st or 2nd rounder, which suggests you are VERY confident he'll finish top 12. It would seem to me if you think he's a 1st or 2nd round talent--you're expecting ~1300-1400 yards, no? But I don't expect that. Do you think he's going for another massive season at age 31 with Puka taking targets? I think he's a very talented player. But he certainly benefited from little target competition on the roster.

His 17 game pace last year: 84, 1044, 7.

I said upstream, I'd guess 85 for 1100. I'd go 6 or 7 TD's assuming a full season. That's Amari Cooper production. That's Devonta Smith production. So I think the 3rd or 4th round price tag is probably in line with the expected production. I don't think there's actually some big discount.

Again, You say "Cooper Kupp has a path to being top 12" Yeah. But so does Amari. So does Devonta. So does Waddle.

I don't get it. Where did I say those guys couldn't finish as a top 12 wr? Those guys have issues too. Last year Kupp played hurt, the two years before when he was healthy he averaged over 100 yards and close to a td per game. Neither of those guys have the ceiling Kupp has.

In one post you're saying "Kupp has a path to top 12." In another, you're talking like his upside is the same as it's always been, which would be WR1 overall.

I guess we disagree about Kupp's ceiling. I think he was that guy before he turned 30 and before he had Puka to eat into his volume.

I don't think he's going to "return to form" in 2024. He was getting absolutely insane volume during his dominant run. He's not going to get that in 2024.

I think when you said 1100 and 8--that's pretty optomistic for a 31 year old Kupp that has to contend with Puka. I certainly think Devonte has that ceilling. I certainly think Amari has that ceiling. I think Waddle has that ceiling.

31 and another receiver to compete with isn't a death sentence for a wr. Tyreek is 30, Davante Adams had great receiver years, Marvin Harrison Sr has done it, Randy Moss, Mike Evans last year.

There is a path for Kupp to be a top 12 wr and it isn't that far fetched, where his ADP should scared you.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I think it's worth noting that the target split between Puka/Kupp was close to 50/50 when both were on the field.

Puka was most certainly the better player in 2023...but I think it's fair to give Kupp the benefit of the doubt insofar as not seeing him decline yet because of age. The last time we saw a healthy Kupp was in mid-2022 and he was playing at a JJetta level.

I think the Rams are counting on Kupp to be a major factor for them and could legitimately see a 1a/1b scenario unfold.

 

[jm192]

I don't feel confident he stays healthy.
I don't feel confident the volume is where it needs to be for him to get back into the top 12.

FBG has him at 14th in PPR rankings. That's way too rich for me.
Fantasypros has him at WR19 in PPR rankings.

I'm probably closer to WR24 or 25.

If he was 31 and didn't have Puka taking targets, I could get more on board with maybe him having another massive season. As it stands, I Think he's going to be closer to 85 for 1100 than 120 for 1500

85 for 1100 and 8ish tds would be a top 12 wr.

The 85 for 1100 assumes a full season. I don't have a lot confidence he does that.
8 TD's COULD happen. But he's had more than 6 TD's twice in his career. You can certainly argue what his TD's would have been if not for injury--but you're still having to embrace the injury side of the debate.

But as far as "He could be top 12." Sure. But if you're saying 1100 and 8 gets me there: I think there are a lot of guys that can get there with less age/injury concerns. Devonta Smith has averaged 88 for 1130 and 7 TD's over the last 2 years. Amari Cooper has averaged 1200 and 7 over the last 2 years; is a year younger, doesn't have another star pass catcher, and hasn't missed nearly the time Kupp has.

So, if we're saying Kupp "Could" get back into the top 12. Sure. Lots of people could finish top 12.
Do I feel confident in it for Kupp? Not really.

His injury concerns are baked into his price. That is why he is going in the 3rd and 4th round of drafts and not the 1st or 2nd.

Can you clearly explain to me what you think Kupp does stat wise and finish wise?

1. On one hand, you say he has a path to finishing top 12.
2. I offer up projections for 85 for 1100--and you say with enough TD's, that could be top 12.
3. I offer up guys like Smith and Amari Cooper who are already giving you those numbers with less injury risk
4. You tell me that Kupp would be going in the 1st or 2nd round if not for the injury concern.

So at first you're saying he COULD still be a top 12 finisher. Then you're saying he's really a 1st or 2nd rounder, which suggests you are VERY confident he'll finish top 12. It would seem to me if you think he's a 1st or 2nd round talent--you're expecting ~1300-1400 yards, no? But I don't expect that. Do you think he's going for another massive season at age 31 with Puka taking targets? I think he's a very talented player. But he certainly benefited from little target competition on the roster.

His 17 game pace last year: 84, 1044, 7.

I said upstream, I'd guess 85 for 1100. I'd go 6 or 7 TD's assuming a full season. That's Amari Cooper production. That's Devonta Smith production. So I think the 3rd or 4th round price tag is probably in line with the expected production. I don't think there's actually some big discount.

Again, You say "Cooper Kupp has a path to being top 12" Yeah. But so does Amari. So does Devonta. So does Waddle.

I don't get it. Where did I say those guys couldn't finish as a top 12 wr? Those guys have issues too. Last year Kupp played hurt, the two years before when he was healthy he averaged over 100 yards and close to a td per game. Neither of those guys have the ceiling Kupp has.

In one post you're saying "Kupp has a path to top 12." In another, you're talking like his upside is the same as it's always been, which would be WR1 overall.

I guess we disagree about Kupp's ceiling. I think he was that guy before he turned 30 and before he had Puka to eat into his volume.

I don't think he's going to "return to form" in 2024. He was getting absolutely insane volume during his dominant run. He's not going to get that in 2024.

I think when you said 1100 and 8--that's pretty optomistic for a 31 year old Kupp that has to contend with Puka. I certainly think Devonte has that ceilling. I certainly think Amari has that ceiling. I think Waddle has that ceiling.

31 and another receiver to compete with isn't a death sentence for a wr. Tyreek is 30, Davante Adams had great receiver years, Marvin Harrison Sr has done it, Randy Moss, Mike Evans last year.

There is a path for Kupp to be a top 12 wr and it isn't that far fetched, where his ADP should scared you.

I think we're almost at a staw man point with this.


You kind of start off saying he COULD be top 12. And I agree he COULD be. I don't think it's likely. But it could happen. I don't think it's more likely than Smith, Amari Cooper, Waddle.

You keep putting up the idea that Kupp has this insane upside. 100 yards per game. His upside is better than all of those other guys. Then when I say it's not--you revert to the "He has a path top 12." He does. But so do most of the guys going around him.

So if we can keep our arguments straight for a minute.

I think Kupp has top 12 in the range of outcomes. I just don't think it's likely.
I think Smith has it in his range of outcomes. And I would bet more on Smith to do it. I would bet more on Amari Cooper and Waddle to do it.

I DO NOT think Cooper Kup has 100 yards and a TD per game upside sharing the pie with Puka.

I didn't say it was a death sentence. I said it would cap his upside and prevent him from being WR1. Yes other WR's play with really good receivers. I would argue Puka is the Tyreke Hill, Davante Adams, Mike Evans, etc. in these scenarios. But if you want to consider Puka the #2--he's certainly better than the other #2's being discussed. You referenced the 100 yards and TD per game. You ignore that Kupp did that with so little target competition. There is no path to 190 targets like he had in 2021.

 

[jm192]

I think it's worth noting that the target split between Puka/Kupp was close to 50/50 when both were on the field.

Puka was most certainly the better player in 2023...but I think it's fair to give Kupp the benefit of the doubt insofar as not seeing him decline yet because of age. The last time we saw a healthy Kupp was in mid-2022 and he was playing at a JJetta level.

I think the Rams are counting on Kupp to be a major factor for them and could legitimately see a 1a/1b scenario unfold.

Again, we really have to define what the argument is.

Because 1 minute I'm being told there's a path to top 12, the next I'm being told his upside is higher than everyone going around him, and the last time we saw him healthy he was playing like Jefferson and averaging 100 yards per game.

I agree the Rams are counting on Kupp to be a major factor.

I would disagree if anyone is trying to imply that they plan for Kupp to be used the way he was in 2021. I would disagree if you think he's going to finish in the top 5 WR's.

You guys keep saying the last time we saw him healthy--which again, we can't just ignore the fact that he's had so many injuries. But 2, he didn't have Puka taking targets the last time he was fully healthy.

It's not just a question of talent. It's talent+opportunity. Even if he's 100% the same guy, his targets won't be.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I think it's worth noting that the target split between Puka/Kupp was close to 50/50 when both were on the field.

Puka was most certainly the better player in 2023...but I think it's fair to give Kupp the benefit of the doubt insofar as not seeing him decline yet because of age. The last time we saw a healthy Kupp was in mid-2022 and he was playing at a JJetta level.

I think the Rams are counting on Kupp to be a major factor for them and could legitimately see a 1a/1b scenario unfold.

Again, we really have to define what the argument is.

Because 1 minute I'm being told there's a path to top 12, the next I'm being told his upside is higher than everyone going around him, and the last time we saw him healthy he was playing like Jefferson and averaging 100 yards per game.

I agree the Rams are counting on Kupp to be a major factor.

I would disagree if anyone is trying to imply that they plan for Kupp to be used the way he was in 2021. I would disagree if you think he's going to finish in the top 5 WR's.

You guys keep saying the last time we saw him healthy--which again, we can't just ignore the fact that he's had so many injuries. But 2, he didn't have Puka taking targets the last time he was fully healthy.

It's not just a question of talent. It's talent+opportunity. Even if he's 100% the same guy, his targets won't be.

I mean, 2021 is special by any standard for any WR;100 yards and 2 TD's better than CD in 2023. While CD is WR1 generally, I don't know how many folks are counting on 1850/14 again.

Ultimately...

• Kupp was compromised last year. To be fair at 31, there's potential that physical decline has begun.
• Kupp's game has been based on more subtle aspects of playing WR (route running, QB chemistry, hands) which have longer shelf life.
• Prior to 2023, the Kupp/Stafford connection generated a 76.1% catch rate, but Kupp's career rate is still 71%. in 2023, that dropped to 62.1% (Puka was 66%).
• A compromised Kupp still generated a 24.2% target rate last year. If we assume 575-600 pass attempts in 2024 and the same target rate, that's in the 140 target range.

The question will be more about whether Kupp can return to previous levels of efficiency. Also, as great as Puka's rookie year was, an area he'll need to improve on is red zone as he had only 2 RZ TD's...an area that Stafford has complete trust in Kupp with.

 

[Ray_T]

Puka and Kupp have a path to being top 12 wrs this year. The Rams lost Donald and their defense could be bad

this is key.

best combo is a team with a good (or great) pass offense and a bad defense.

if the team is losing in the 4th quarter, the team will be throwing the ball a lot. and with Puka and Kupp needing to be fed, this bodes well for their numbers.

Stafford will put up better offensive numbers, but likely also a few extra INT because close to the end of the game you are forcing throws because you need to move the ball quickly. that sometimes results in interceptions.

 

[bluemanfoo]

Puka and Kupp have a path to being top 12 wrs this year. The Rams lost Donald and their defense could be bad

this is key.

best combo is a team with a good (or great) pass offense and a bad defense.

if the team is losing in the 4th quarter, the team will be throwing the ball a lot. and with Puka and Kupp needing to be fed, this bodes well for their numbers.

Stafford will put up better offensive numbers, but likely also a few extra INT because close to the end of the game you are forcing throws because you need to move the ball quickly. that sometimes results in interceptions.

Yes, playing from behind is ideal for fantasy WR production. Regarding a WR, I don't care if their QB throws picks, as long as the QB keeps chucking the ball downfield. In 2019, Jameis set an NFL record for picks with 30, but also led the league in passing yards and set a personal high for passing TDs with 33. Godwin had a career year with 1333 yard, 9 TDs, despite missing the last two games. The bext year, TB signed Brady who is obviously a much better QB, but was significantly worse for Godwin stats, because Brady didn't relentlessly throw downfield like Jameis. Stafford has a great arm, and he's going to keep throwing the ball even after an INT or two.

 

[H8fulHuck]

Kupp in the 3rd round makes me happy. Last season he had a bunch of clunkers 6 games with less than 70 yards and no TD, but also had 4 games over 100 yards. Finished 4 of the last 5 games with a TD. Considering he wasn't fully healthy, I'm in on the vet bouncing back. Very intelligent player who has incredible chemistry with his QB.

After Kupp came back week 5, Puka also had 4 games over 100 yards and 5 clunkers himself (less than 70 yards no TD.) Understand why Puka is getting drafted in the 1st round thinking year 2, more chemistry and growth. Much to be excited about. Just don't be surprised if they both have a good season and the old man scores more points.

 

[JohnnyU]

Better have Demarcus Robinson on speed dial.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think it's worth noting that the target split between Puka/Kupp was close to 50/50 when both were on the field.

Puka was most certainly the better player in 2023...but I think it's fair to give Kupp the benefit of the doubt insofar as not seeing him decline yet because of age. The last time we saw a healthy Kupp was in mid-2022 and he was playing at a JJetta level.

I think the Rams are counting on Kupp to be a major factor for them and could legitimately see a 1a/1b scenario unfold.

When you go up and down the Rams roster, the 2-3 guys that stick out and will tip the scales to help them win games, It's gotta be Nacua-Kupp-Kyren and then Staff getting them the ball in space so they can make plays but they don't have a ton of weapons sitting around
Also it might be noted that Higbee is on the PUP, the rest of the TEs on this team seem like hot garbage and not going to pull in a lot of targets should they see action

Not everyone feels the way I do but I don't think their Defense is going to be able to hold teams to less than 20 that often with Donald retired.
I like 1a/1b and I feel like if the Rams thought Kupp could not return to his normal self, think they would have made a move at WR with more impact.
When has Kupp had an impact WR like Nacua lined up across or outside of him while he is int he slot, that is going to be difficult for defenses to lock down.

Decent offensive minded head coach with a Super Bowl ring never hurts

 

[Gally]

I don't think their Defense is going to be able to hold teams to less than 20 that often with Donald retired.

Nobody can replace Donald for sure but they have solid interior DT. Kobie Turner had a phenomenal rookie season (albeit with Donald in place) but he showed a lot of promise and got to the QB a lot from the interior. Byron Yount and Hoecht are solid DE's as well. They also spend a 2nd rounder on Fiske that should compliment Turner nicely.

All that to say they aren't devoid of talent just because Donald retired. I wouldn't write them off quite yet.

 

[Ray_T]

Puka and Kupp have a path to being top 12 wrs this year. The Rams lost Donald and their defense could be bad

this is key.

best combo is a team with a good (or great) pass offense and a bad defense.

if the team is losing in the 4th quarter, the team will be throwing the ball a lot. and with Puka and Kupp needing to be fed, this bodes well for their numbers.

Stafford will put up better offensive numbers, but likely also a few extra INT because close to the end of the game you are forcing throws because you need to move the ball quickly. that sometimes results in interceptions.

Yes, playing from behind is ideal for fantasy WR production. Regarding a WR, I don't care if their QB throws picks, as long as the QB keeps chucking the ball downfield. In 2019, Jameis set an NFL record for picks with 30, but also led the league in passing yards and set a personal high for passing TDs with 33. Godwin had a career year with 1333 yard, 9 TDs, despite missing the last two games. The bext year, TB signed Brady who is obviously a much better QB, but was significantly worse for Godwin stats, because Brady didn't relentlessly throw downfield like Jameis. Stafford has a great arm, and he's going to keep throwing the ball even after an INT or two.

100%. if the QB throws a pick, that affects the scoring of the QB. not the WR.
so a high powered offense on a team with a bad defense is fantasy gold for the WR. Less so for the QB if he throws a few picks late in the game trying to mount a comeback. its situational. some QB will be fine, some not so much.
but we are talking WR and in that situation I love it. sign me up!

 

[Ray_T]

I don't think their Defense is going to be able to hold teams to less than 20 that often with Donald retired.

Nobody can replace Donald for sure but they have solid interior DT. Kobie Turner had a phenomenal rookie season (albeit with Donald in place) but he showed a lot of promise and got to the QB a lot from the interior. Byron Yount and Hoecht are solid DE's as well. They also spend a 2nd rounder on Fiske that should compliment Turner nicely.

All that to say they aren't devoid of talent just because Donald retired. I wouldn't write them off quite yet.

Devoid? No. but not elite.

the departure of Donald means the offense can double team someone else or the defense needs to be a bit more creative in the playcalling.

Mcvay is a good coach. he will compensate for some of this, but not all of it. I expect at least a gentle drop in defensive stats. Possibly moderate.

 

[kutta]

Seems like the guy to target is Stafford.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Seems like the guy to target is Stafford.

I had him as my backup in several leagues last year and will happily do so again.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Seems like the guy to target is Stafford.

He has 2 targets better than anyone on the other L.A. team. Yet he is being drafted behind that guy.

 

[bluemanfoo]

Seems like the guy to target is Stafford.

Yes. I always wait on QB. And prefer dual threats or guys that are mobile, but Stafford is a great late round fallback if the QB fliers I want are sniped from me.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Seems like the guy to target is Stafford.

He has 2 targets better than anyone on the other L.A. team. Yet he is being drafted behind that guy.

I wonder if that will change after the news of Herbert's foot injury.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Seems like the guy to target is Stafford.

He has 2 targets better than anyone on the other L.A. team. Yet he is being drafted behind that guy.

Quiet on the set, please!

 

[travdogg]

Seems like the guy to target is Stafford.

Problem is he doesn't run, like 60+% of the production could be split by just 2 guys, and the Rams are extremely run heavy inside the 10. So you are looking at an admittedly cheaper, but also riskier, version of Tua or Goff.

No problem taking him over Herbert, but tough to really see top-10 upside, without Sean McVay completely changing his inside the 10 playcalling, which feels unlikely given how successful it is.

Kupp feels like a guy who is a nice value right now but will be hard to stomach in a couple weeks when enough people/media start ranking him as a top-15 WR. On the flip side, maybe it will push Puka down into a more tenable spot in round 2.

 

[bluemanfoo]

Seems like the guy to target is Stafford.

Problem is he doesn't run, like 60+% of the production could be split by just 2 guys, and the Rams are extremely run heavy inside the 10. So you are looking at an admittedly cheaper, but also riskier, version of Tua or Goff.

No problem taking him over Herbert, but tough to really see top-10 upside, without Sean McVay completely changing his inside the 10 playcalling, which feels unlikely given how successful it is.

Kupp feels like a guy who is a nice value right now but will be hard to stomach in a couple weeks when enough people/media start ranking him as a top-15 WR. On the flip side, maybe it will push Puka down into a more tenable spot in round 2.

Yes I prefer dual threats, but Stafford threw 41 TDs during their Superbowl year, and he has arguably better weapons, plus a defense projected to be much worse. Stafford's 41 passing TDs were overshadowed because there were a lot of great QB performances that year. And that was also a year where the upside QBs I wanted didn't fall to me, so I let other the 11 teams draft their starting QBs, loaded up on WR/RB, and grabbed Stafford in the 10th round.

 

[LawFitz]

Feels like people have been and continue to chase Kupp's breakout year when he almost single-handedly won fantasy titles as most teams' WR3. The thought of that production is tantalizing, but it's been a long hard half decade since.

 

[Mitchie]

Feels like people have been and continue to chase Kupp's breakout year when he almost single-handedly won fantasy titles as most teams' WR3. The thought of that production is tantalizing, but it's been a long hard half decade since.

Are you not living in the year 2024? Trying to figure out how you got to a half decade.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Kupp is a no for me. He is a good player and can be good. There is an outcome that does happen, but the cost of acquiring Kupp is not worth it. I agree that Kupp's owners still feel he is worth top-dollar prices. Age and injury history alone dictate caution as a buyer. As a seller, you are more likely better off getting a fair price and moving on or just riding him off on your roster until he completely falls off or retires.

 

[TheWinz]

Feels like people have been and continue to chase Kupp's breakout year when he almost single-handedly won fantasy titles as most teams' WR3. The thought of that production is tantalizing, but it's been a long hard half decade since.

Are you not living in the year 2024? Trying to figure out how you got to a half decade.

He said hexade. Did you read it as decade?

 

[LawFitz]

Feels like people have been and continue to chase Kupp's breakout year when he almost single-handedly won fantasy titles as most teams' WR3. The thought of that production is tantalizing, but it's been a long hard half decade since.

Are you not living in the year 2024? Trying to figure out how you got to a half decade.

He said hexade. Did you read it as decade?

Feels like a half decade, at least. More literally, it's exactly four years ago this preseason when Kupp was being drafted as a WR3 that would go on to win many a fantasy title that season.

 

[kutta]

Feels like people have been and continue to chase Kupp's breakout year when he almost single-handedly won fantasy titles as most teams' WR3. The thought of that production is tantalizing, but it's been a long hard half decade since.

Are you not living in the year 2024? Trying to figure out how you got to a half decade.

He said hexade. Did you read it as decade?

Feels like a half decade, at least. More literally, it's exactly four years ago this preseason when Kupp was being drafted as a WR3 that would go on to win many a fantasy title that season.

2021 was his insane year. His ADP that year was late 3rd/early 4th.
I’m still not getting the math.

 

[msudaisy26]

Feels like people have been and continue to chase Kupp's breakout year when he almost single-handedly won fantasy titles as most teams' WR3. The thought of that production is tantalizing, but it's been a long hard half decade since.

Are you not living in the year 2024? Trying to figure out how you got to a half decade.

He said hexade. Did you read it as decade?

Feels like a half decade, at least. More literally, it's exactly four years ago this preseason when Kupp was being drafted as a WR3 that would go on to win many a fantasy title that season.

2021 was his insane year. His ADP that year was late 3rd/early 4th.
I’m still not getting the math.

Kupp is being drafted in the 3rd/4th round this year as a low wr2/high wr3. He doesn't have to be dominant to return value and help your team.

 

[the spanker]

People in PPR Mocks I've participated in are taking him mid to late 2nd round.

Is the cost too high?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

People in PPR Mocks I've participated in are taking him mid to late 2nd round.

Is the cost too high?

I’m paying that all day as my WR2.

Not a player on the board with the upside of a healthy Kupp.

The challenge for is if I’m picking 3-4 and I take Hill 1st. Pairing 2 olds is not always a recipe for success in FF.

At that point might as well lean all the way in & grab Adams as my 3rd pick.

 

[efactor]

People in PPR Mocks I've participated in are taking him mid to late 2nd round.

Is the cost too high?

Not IMO.

I took him at 2.03 in a 14 team PPR on Sunday. Gibbs went just before me and there was nobody else I felt had the upside of a healthy Kupp, so I yelled it out proudly.

 

[efactor]

People in PPR Mocks I've participated in are taking him mid to late 2nd round.

Is the cost too high?

I’m paying that all day as my WR2.

Not a player on the board with the upside of a healthy Kupp.

Ha. Saw this right after I posted almost the exact same thing.

 

[Manster]

Just got him in the 5th in a 10 team 1/3 point ppr redraft, start 3 WR's. Plus flex WR/TE. Puka went in the 2nd.

It all comes down to health. If Kupp can stay healthy, thats insane value.

 

[Insein]

I had the 12th pick in 12 team PPR. We each get 1 keeper so 4 top guys (Hill, Lamb, Breece, Puka) were already gone from selections. I took Kupp at the turn because I knew he wouldn't be back again.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

Hope this works out for you guys, don't want to rain on your parade because I know some of you guys probably literally just drafted him in the past weeks.


I'd just like to point out that there are still people waiting for Michael Thomas to get healthy.


You've watched football before, when a guy's body starts to breakdown, he either sees less targets or gets hurt trying to carry volume he could before. Best of luck on your 31 year old wide receiver who can't stay healthy as your 2nd/3rd best player on your team. Only 15 aged 31 WR in NFL history have ever gone over 1,200 yards.

If you're drafting him, history says to expect 800 - 1,100 if you're lucky. Players don't tend to get more healthy as they age and the Rams clearly found his replacement in Puka Nacua last year.


He's firmly on my DND list. 2021 was three years ago now. I've never had much success chasing injury prone players in their 30s, but hey, outliers exist. Maybe it will work out for you.

 

[kface]

Hope this works out for you guys, don't want to rain on your parade because I know some of you guys probably literally just drafted him in the past weeks.


I'd just like to point out that there are still people waiting for Michael Thomas to get healthy.


You've watched football before, when a guy's body starts to breakdown, he either sees less targets or gets hurt trying to carry volume he could before. Best of luck on your 31 year old wide receiver who can't stay healthy as your 2nd/3rd best player on your team. Only 15 aged 31 WR in NFL history have ever gone over 1,200 yards.

If you're drafting him, history says to expect 800 - 1,100 if you're lucky. Players don't tend to get more healthy as they age and the Rams clearly found his replacement in Puka Nacua last year.


He's firmly on my DND list. 2021 was three years ago now. I've never had much success chasing injury prone players in their 30s, but hey, outliers exist. Maybe it will work out for you.

I lean the other way...he's borderline a sleeper wr1 at this point

 

[BIRDGANG52]

He caught 195 passes in a single season in 2021. That was like 2-3 seasons of work for most Wide Receivers. It's not a surprise he keeps getting hurt. Most receivers won't catch half that amount this year.

He took years off his career. In the wrestling business it's called a bump card. You only get so many bumps on your body until it starts breaking down.


Similar to Michael Thomas, he punched multiple seasons worth of bumps in a historic year and hasn't been healthy since.

 

[Insein]

I get the concern because history says older guys stay old. However, Kupp was injured all of last year and when he returned still had basically a 50/50 target share with Puka. I think that's going to be the floor at least. He's going to be a top WR2 in a good to great offense. Of the guys like Devonta, Waddle, Evans I'd rather have Kupp. If I have to reach a little get him, so be it.

 

[brewer]

I mean, he came back last year and did just fine down the stretch(WR 9 from week 13-17 in the league that I am looking at). Not expecting him to be Tyreek, but where he is being drafted, I'm a buyer.

 

[Manster]

Hope this works out for you guys, don't want to rain on your parade because I know some of you guys probably literally just drafted him in the past weeks.


I'd just like to point out that there are still people waiting for Michael Thomas to get healthy.


You've watched football before, when a guy's body starts to breakdown, he either sees less targets or gets hurt trying to carry volume he could before. Best of luck on your 31 year old wide receiver who can't stay healthy as your 2nd/3rd best player on your team. Only 15 aged 31 WR in NFL history have ever gone over 1,200 yards.

If you're drafting him, history says to expect 800 - 1,100 if you're lucky. Players don't tend to get more healthy as they age and the Rams clearly found his replacement in Puka Nacua last year.


He's firmly on my DND list. 2021 was three years ago now. I've never had much success chasing injury prone players in their 30s, but hey, outliers exist. Maybe it will work out for you.

My league mates obviously felt like you did to allow him to slip to the beginning of the 5th......honestly, I had no intention of drafting him when the draft started. As he kept dropping, and my available choices were the likes of Nabors/Rice/Diggs/McLaurin, I pounced. He's my WR3......If he doesn't pan out, no biggie.

That said, I wouldn't have felt great about drafting him before I did.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

Hope this works out for you guys, don't want to rain on your parade because I know some of you guys probably literally just drafted him in the past weeks.


I'd just like to point out that there are still people waiting for Michael Thomas to get healthy.


You've watched football before, when a guy's body starts to breakdown, he either sees less targets or gets hurt trying to carry volume he could before. Best of luck on your 31 year old wide receiver who can't stay healthy as your 2nd/3rd best player on your team. Only 15 aged 31 WR in NFL history have ever gone over 1,200 yards.

If you're drafting him, history says to expect 800 - 1,100 if you're lucky. Players don't tend to get more healthy as they age and the Rams clearly found his replacement in Puka Nacua last year.


He's firmly on my DND list. 2021 was three years ago now. I've never had much success chasing injury prone players in their 30s, but hey, outliers exist. Maybe it will work out for you.

My league mates obviously felt like you did to allow him to slip to the beginning of the 5th......honestly, I had no intention of drafting him when the draft started. As he kept dropping, and my available choices were the likes of Nabors/Rice/Diggs/McLaurin, I pounced. He's my WR3......If he doesn't pan out, no biggie.

That said, I wouldn't have felt great about drafting him before I did.

Smart league.

 

[Chaka]

People in PPR Mocks I've participated in are taking him mid to late 2nd round.

Is the cost too high?

Not IMO.

I took him at 2.03 in a 14 team PPR on Sunday. Gibbs went just before me and there was nobody else I felt had the upside of a healthy Kupp, so I yelled it out proudly.

Yesterday, Kupp went 15th WR off the board at 3.06 in #21 - FBG $50 Home League

Puka went at 2.02 as the 8th WR off the board.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

I mean, he came back last year and did just fine down the stretch(WR 9 from week 13-17 in the league that I am looking at). Not expecting him to be Tyreek, but where he is being drafted, I'm a buyer.

Oh yeah, if you ignore the fact he's missed 15 games in the last two-seasons, then it's all Gucci! His 61.4 YPG last year was the lowest since his rookie season, but I'm sure there's no reason to expect decline or injury.

 

[kyoun1e]

ESPN has him at #45 overall right now. Insane.

Best value IMO on the board.

Hoping to grab him in round 3 for my WR2. And I'll reach to do it.

 

[Manster]

Hope this works out for you guys, don't want to rain on your parade because I know some of you guys probably literally just drafted him in the past weeks.


I'd just like to point out that there are still people waiting for Michael Thomas to get healthy.


You've watched football before, when a guy's body starts to breakdown, he either sees less targets or gets hurt trying to carry volume he could before. Best of luck on your 31 year old wide receiver who can't stay healthy as your 2nd/3rd best player on your team. Only 15 aged 31 WR in NFL history have ever gone over 1,200 yards.

If you're drafting him, history says to expect 800 - 1,100 if you're lucky. Players don't tend to get more healthy as they age and the Rams clearly found his replacement in Puka Nacua last year.


He's firmly on my DND list. 2021 was three years ago now. I've never had much success chasing injury prone players in their 30s, but hey, outliers exist. Maybe it will work out for you.

My league mates obviously felt like you did to allow him to slip to the beginning of the 5th......honestly, I had no intention of drafting him when the draft started. As he kept dropping, and my available choices were the likes of Nabors/Rice/Diggs/McLaurin, I pounced. He's my WR3......If he doesn't pan out, no biggie.

That said, I wouldn't have felt great about drafting him before I did.

Smart league.

It's full of a bunch of dudes who want to draft the next Adrian Peterson, or Randy Moss if you know what I mean. I scoop up solid vets at value while everyone else (well not everyone) is busy trying to be the smart one who gets to brag about their crystal ball picks.

 

[Manster]

ESPN has him at #45 overall right now. Insane.

Best value IMO on the board.

Hoping to grab him in round 3 for my WR2. And I'll reach to do it.

Like someone mentioned above, he was WR #9 down the stretch last season. Also, he's got Puka to take coverage away from him. At this stage in his career, that's a good thing. Stafford loves Kupp, and will find him often.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

Old data but still good data:

https://s26212.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/WR-WR1-Seasons-x-Age-2000-to-2020.png

https://s26212.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/WR-Peak-Seasons-by-Age-2000-to-2020.png

https://lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/docsz/AD_4nXej8V9EYM_m5rN0jWH_h8IOQB4Y03RJlJ0EtSbDQFFjl_7BCLcd2PygqsKBQZqL7PlRupnOjj9QtJwhDj607pOp6RPC0pB2dQ7cYanvRrEuxs38hsDY15GRJZgvv1Y7x2xtFK2x-csZGLx9T7KxXE0JDdVE?key=acQ9VZjboCIG_QtVM3-g1w

When a player's individual performance aligns with historic trends, I don't expect the outlier. Food for thought.

 

[kface]

ESPN has him at #45 overall right now. Insane.

Best value IMO on the board.

Hoping to grab him in round 3 for my WR2. And I'll reach to do it.

Like someone mentioned above, he was WR #9 down the stretch last season. Also, he's got Puka to take coverage away from him. At this stage in his career, that's a good thing. Stafford loves Kupp, and will find him often.

And this is a high powered offense...lots of catches, tds, and yards to go around

 

[Birdie048]

People in PPR Mocks I've participated in are taking him mid to late 2nd round.

Is the cost too high?

Not IMO.

I took him at 2.03 in a 14 team PPR on Sunday. Gibbs went just before me and there was nobody else I felt had the upside of a healthy Kupp, so I yelled it out proudly.

I have him high on my list also as early-mid 2nd round pick. He went 2.08 in recent Sleeper FBG draft. I was torn between him & KWIII (went Walker) but I did not expect both to be there at 2.07