"You are what your record says you are".......Coach Bill ParcellsI think the Jets are better than 2-4. They have a good defense and Adams makes them better on offense. Hall is good, but they could use a better TE. The OL needs to protect Rodgers or none of this matters anyway.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
"They are who we thought they were" .......Coach Dennis Green (RIP)"You are what your record says you are".......Coach Bill ParcellsI think the Jets are better than 2-4. They have a good defense and Adams makes them better on offense. Hall is good, but they could use a better TE. The OL needs to protect Rodgers or none of this matters anyway.
Not that their word is gospel and people can take their opinions with a grain of salt but I was just running some errands and listened to a Move the Sticks podcast with Jeremiah/Brooks discuss the trade. I personally think it's good to get opinions from knowledgeable people who are not biased with their fantasy teams but I will say their opinions are pretty much in lock step with mine so easy for me to get behind and it goes like this:
They both studied Adams film and concluded he can't get a lot of separation and he's a declining player who is not what he was two years ago but still he still believes he's elite and those players can be difficult to deal with.
Jeremiah made a point I was already thinking that Lazard would not see the field if he played for most teams but with Rodgers and his familiarity with him he's not only playing but productive. And the theory goes, which again I agree with, that if Rodgers can make Lazard productive he can surely make Adams more productive.
Both of them worried about the impact on Wilson and wondered if he'll be unhappy and whereas they both felt Davante was a descending player they also both felt Wilson was ascending player. The later part of that should be obvious.
They both studied Adams film and concluded he can't get a lot of separation and he's a declining player who is not what he was two years ago but still he still believes he's elite and those players can be difficult to deal with.
Jeremiah made a point I was already thinking that Lazard would not see the field if he played for most teams but with Rodgers and his familiarity with him he's not only playing but productive. And the theory goes, which again I agree with, that if Rodgers can make Lazard productive he can surely make Adams more productive.
Both of them worried about the impact on Wilson and wondered if he'll be unhappy and whereas they both felt Davante was a descending player they also both felt Wilson was ascending player. The later part of that should be obvious.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Well he did have 103 receptions for 1144 yards and 8 TDs last season. Has he declined that much in 9 or 10 months? Just because you agree with a couple of podcast guys doesn’t make it so. I’d rather not go out on a limb and just observe and see what happens.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
FBG staff consensus for week 7 have GW at WR13 and DA at WR33. Not sure if they’ve all been updated.
rockaction
Footballguy
of interest...
- 2023 NY Jets after 6 games: 3-3, 113 points scored, Quarterbacked by Zach Wilson
- 2024 NY Jets after 6 games: 2-4, 113 points scored, Quarterbacked by Aaron Rodgers
Yeah, no. You keep doing this, and it was as wrong when you first did it as when you just did it.
Have fun beating up tomato cans and injury-riddled opponents. We play the best at the top of their game.
No, he started to decline previous to last season.
Keep in mind, and I think you know this, I framed my post as a "real life" football post from people without a fantasy bias. What Davante Adams did last year was accumulate fantasy spots out of sheer high usage. It does not mean he was real life very good and pretty far from elite. I mean he had the same amount of yards as George Pickens, excpet he needed about 70 more targets to do it. I don't really think in real life context citing those stats really shows anything.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
of interest...
- 2023 NY Jets after 6 games: 3-3, 113 points scored, Quarterbacked by Zach Wilson
- 2024 NY Jets after 6 games: 2-4, 113 points scored, Quarterbacked by Aaron Rodgers
Yeah, no. You keep doing this, and it was as wrong when you first did it as when you just did it.
Have fun beating up tomato cans and injury-riddled opponents. We play the best at the top of their game.
hey, cya in New Orleans in 16 weeks
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I haven’t seen proof of a decline, either prior to last season as you say, or during last season putting up great stats. What proof is there for either before last season or during last season besides extra targets? Seems thin to me. If you know something I don’t I can respect that, but I’m on the side of observing going forward. I’ll end my input right there.
I relayed what I heard unbiased football experts discussed. This is some exclusive me take and like I said when I posted it you can take it with a grain of salt which you have. I don’t.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
the best thing that can come from this is Jakobi Meyers getting 10-12 targets a game and becomes a viable WR1 
FairWarning
Footballguy
As long as he can beat top coverage.the best thing that can come from this is Jakobi Meyers getting 10-12 targets a game and becomes a viable WR1
Jimbo Slice
Footballguy
Aint nobody got enough healthy bodies to sit an active Adams
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
has moved to GW - WR17 and DA - WR20
The General
Footballguy
Got to figure if they get down to the goal line A Aron will try and jam one to him.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Walkthrough?
Runkle
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Glad to see he has recovered! Was touch and go there.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yep, those walkthroughs really test you.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Lol, he's 100% playing.
zamboni
Footballguy
Runkle
Footballguy
GrantK
Footballguy
:laughingemoji:
rockaction
Footballguy
Yep. I just lost Shaheed and Nico Collins, so I'm firing Davante up. I expect decent results, too, so I satisfy the condition of your sentence, which is "confidently." I think talk of serious decline has been premature. The Jets will be better with him.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Sure am. I'm starting Cooper in a different league which is a lot more worrisome, but I expect the Adams and Rodgers connection to be almost instant.
Dizzy
Footballguy
I am on the fence between Adams vs Tee Higgins but leaning towards Adams. To hear Rogers talk about their red zone problems and broken play results it comes down to a QB that expects his WR to see and react to the same thing he sees/feels in the heat of the moment. Adams is almost certain to get high value targets Sunday night. I feel like his TD odds have to be pretty high.
H8fulHuck
Footballguy
With Rodgers, ceiling is the moon.I'll join the "yes" chorus and I'd start him over a banged up Mason.
There are likely a few system things that are not totally the same and if/when he's drawing Joey Porter Jr he'll get covered up. But I truly think the reason Rodgers peppered the hell out of Wilson with targets the last two weeks was he he knew they were about to trade for Adams and he wanted to get him placated. Now it's Davante's time. I'm expecting Rodgers to try and use this game to get that connection back, and as someone pointed out, even if volume was not ideal he's going to be a big red zone target.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm a little more cautious than the others, I think. I expect WR2/3 numbers. We start up to five in my league. There's eight position players that start and one QB position.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Yes, he obviously knows how to play on the same page as Rodgers, and they are running a similar offense to what they had in Green Bay. I think he will hit the ground running and don't expect him to be hamstrung at all.
I see what you did there.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
depends on situation. he still needs to learn the playbook but there will be a fast learning curve.
for him I'd say hes probably playable regardless. I just wouldnt expect a big game in week 1
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Some would call it a wise business decisionGetting away from the raiders can improve a players health instantly.Practiced in full all week must had some magic hamstring healing beans
Signed,
Raiders fan
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
All I keep thinking about is Randy Moss as a Raider and then a Patriot. That was 20-ish years ago. My Lord what a dysfunctional organization.
joey
Footballguy
3rd verse, same as the first.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Ayahuasca?Practiced in full all week must had some magic hamstring healing beans
Maybe his new QB helped him visualize a healthy hamstring.
