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WR Deebo Samuel, WAS (3 Viewers)
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
Turns out when you use your already injury-prone WR as a RB it takes the tread off his wheels a lot faster.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Or he is struggling to fully recover from pneumonia so is 10-20% short physically ? That’s enough to make all the difference. Came back crazy quick
This is what I think, not sure on the 10-20%, just no idea, but I don't know anyone saying he looked done before the pneumonia.
Dizzy
Footballguy
This could very well be the case. It happens shockingly fast sometimes (i.e. Shaun Alexander).
Lion to myself
Footballguy
Deebo has been hard to start recently but I do think we will see him get a few carries per game given the RB situation. So yes, I think an uptick is coming.
TartanLion
Footballguy
What that will amount to points wise, I’m not sure of. Can’t believe I started Marquez-Valdes Scantling over him last week and was proven correct for doing so. I still believe him rushing back after pneumonia symptoms might have had something to do with him looking sluggish, but for me he now needs to show it before starting again, barring absolute emergencies, because his floor has proven to be incredibly low
Gigantor_IA
Footballguy
Watching Deebo's YAC game over the past couple weeks, he looks toasted. Guy has a lot of miles and has never been a technician. Maybe a change of scenery is needed.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
he is 28 so, at best he might only have a year or 2 left but maybe he's already done.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
The other explanation (at least I think it's plausible) Defenses are paying so much attention to Deebo and that's why Jennings is out there tearing it up
I don’t think so. Outside of that one huge catch he had against the Seahawks (IIRC?) this year he’s been totally invisible.
I don't know what happened here but I'm having a hard time buying the wear and tear.
I've made this point before but if he was an actual RB that averaged 2.5 carries and 4 receptions a game I just don't think he'd be toast at age 28 with that kind of workload. It would be easier to buy this if I thought he was on a gradual decline but his decline is close to overnight.
I want to say it's the pneumonia but he had two decent games right after he returned.
To add to the confusion he's had two really nice returns in the last few weeks, though one was called back IIRC. But this at least demonstrated to me he still had some juice but on the offensive side he's not breaking any tackles or doing anything.
I don't know what to make of it, own him a lot and I was absolutely to slow to start benching him and it cost me heavily before I finally came to my senses.
I've made this point before but if he was an actual RB that averaged 2.5 carries and 4 receptions a game I just don't think he'd be toast at age 28 with that kind of workload. It would be easier to buy this if I thought he was on a gradual decline but his decline is close to overnight.
I want to say it's the pneumonia but he had two decent games right after he returned.
To add to the confusion he's had two really nice returns in the last few weeks, though one was called back IIRC. But this at least demonstrated to me he still had some juice but on the offensive side he's not breaking any tackles or doing anything.
I don't know what to make of it, own him a lot and I was absolutely to slow to start benching him and it cost me heavily before I finally came to my senses.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
The moment for me was actually his biggest play of the season when he had that 70+ yard TD against SEA...I felt he struggled to outrun the LB in pursuit, only really pulling away the last 15-20 yards or so.
At the same time, the loss of CMC/Aiyuk I think directly impacted Deebo and that's been reflected in his run game usage and effectiveness. I mean you can key on him quite easily now despite yeomans work by their fill-ins.
At the same time, the loss of CMC/Aiyuk I think directly impacted Deebo and that's been reflected in his run game usage and effectiveness. I mean you can key on him quite easily now despite yeomans work by their fill-ins.
Which is true. Purdy doesn't really look his way but is that because he can't get open
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Maybe him punching out his own teammate had something to do with things?Which is true. Purdy doesn't really look his way but is that because he can't get open
I dunno. I see a clear loss in explosiveness from Deebo - he typical dialed up screen plays have been BAD. That’s on him.
I wish Deebo would get more WR targets - but as we know, quality WR targets are more often earned nowadays.
He’s not earning ****.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
He’s a land mine bro .. drop him now, other teams will REALLY want to pick him up and start him.
Let him make your opponent loose
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Loose? I would think picking up Deebo and starting him would tighten me up with anxiety.
drummer
Footballguy
I mean we can all put the final Tide Pod into the washed cycle of Deebo's social media career. Even that is more done than his football one. One AP season turned into he getting the bag only to be washed. slow, and done. You're better off eating Tide Pods than trying to stem the tide of Deebo's hate from the 49er fans for being ***. And yeah, I still have to mask a three letter word here than isn't on even BlueSky.
Interesting he's the one that asked out.
I drafted him a few days ago in a FFPC league as WR39 as I'm siding with other things impacting his extreme drop off last year instead of taking one of the steepest cliff dives in history. But before I did I searched for latest news and saw photo of him from a few days ago at some SB function, wearing an AJB jersey, and looking pretty thick and big bellied. Was not encouraging and gave me second thoughts on taking him tbh.
I hope he knows he's doing wanting out of SF, I'm not fan of the wide back usage but he does need a lot of help getting schemed open against man coverage. But one thing for sure he needs to pull his stuff togehter. Going around looking like he did in that photo is no way to market yourself to the rest of the league. Hopefully getting on a new team will invigorate him and light a fire under him, seasons is a long way away but this is a guy who has to work really hard at staying in shape. He's the kind of guy that after he's out of the league a few years is going to look like a miniature OT.
I drafted him a few days ago in a FFPC league as WR39 as I'm siding with other things impacting his extreme drop off last year instead of taking one of the steepest cliff dives in history. But before I did I searched for latest news and saw photo of him from a few days ago at some SB function, wearing an AJB jersey, and looking pretty thick and big bellied. Was not encouraging and gave me second thoughts on taking him tbh.
I hope he knows he's doing wanting out of SF, I'm not fan of the wide back usage but he does need a lot of help getting schemed open against man coverage. But one thing for sure he needs to pull his stuff togehter. Going around looking like he did in that photo is no way to market yourself to the rest of the league. Hopefully getting on a new team will invigorate him and light a fire under him, seasons is a long way away but this is a guy who has to work really hard at staying in shape. He's the kind of guy that after he's out of the league a few years is going to look like a miniature OT.
Depends on a lot of things, including the definition of productive. I could certainly see him still being a solid fantasy starter still, but his days of being a WR1 are probably done. I do feel like the pneumonia was a way bigger deal than he or the team let on. Playing through that is wild. It wouldn't have been crazy if he'd gone on IR.
I'd be pretty interested in bringing him in this offseason were I running an NFL team, if he wasn't all that expensive. I mean, I'm not expecting Higgins or Godwin to actually hit the FA market, so Deebo is probably near the top if he's available. I think he can still be a top-3 weapon in an offense.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I wouldn’t give an early third round rookie pick for him. Maybe a late one and I would need a shower afterwards.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Thx, but it's a huge tease not posting a link to the pic!!!
JohnnyU
Footballguy
One too many trips to Mickey D's.
rockaction
Footballguy
In my life, I always just blame the cut of the shirt. Works for my own esteem, anyway.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I've lost 45lbs in the last year and a half. I kind of like the flatter stomach look wearing a shirt that fits the way its supposed to, instead of wearing a larger shirt to conceal my gut.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Congrats, man. I've dropped a bit over thirty. I was down forty-five but twelve-fifteen has crept back on. I was really digging the flatness of the shirts for a while. It still works, but I liked the way I looked a little better ten fewer pounds ago.
But back to Deebo. I hope he's not washed for no other reason than he was a unique player in a unique system on a team that had chances but couldn't make the ultimate step. They might still, but it doesn't appear he'll be there. That's too bad.
No reason to cut him. If he wants out, and can't find a trade partner, his best deal is in SF. I don't see any reason why they'd WANT to get rid of him for nothing, given Aiyuk's knee injury and Pearsall not really doing much once he was back.
I'd ultimately be a little surprised if he wasn't a 49er next season, unless they get like a 2nd round pick for him, which is unlikely.
honestly, the guy has only had one really good year(1400 yards receiving and 300 rushing) and one year that was ok. (I think he finished with around 900 yards but pro rated to account for missed games he played at a 1000 yard pace)
other than those 2 years, hes been mediocre. and hes getting top dollar. I think if the guy wants out they should let him go (or trade him if they can) and draft a WR in round 1 of the draft.
from a cap perspective, hes at a point where he is likely to become a liability soon(if hes not already there)
and then when you see he doesnt want to be there...... its best to part ways if you can. Trade him away if there is a buyer.
Balco
Footballguy
I think they would be fine with a Juaun Jennings, Aiyuk, and Pearsall trio at WR. Money can better be spent on other areas of the team.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Honestly, the way everything played out I think it was just a much more amicable version of "you can't fire me because I quit". I think he saw the writing on the wall, and SF realizes they could recoup more value now then in another year. I'd also imagine as they start forming their 2025 gameplan many on the staff are on the side of decreasing Deebo's usage in favor of Aiyuk/Kittle/Pearsall/stable of RBs till they get injured haha. He obviously is less concerned with playing for a contender (or why would he be agreeing to test the waters), so I'd guess he figures he could get more run on a team with less high caliber talent. Hopefully it's a mini revival to his career for the fantasy owners for another year or two. Getting his name out there pre-draft opens his options up a bit more then after the teams get their new shiny toys in late April/May.
I truly don't think it was this at all. Lynch already said he wanted him back and the restructure of his contract last season was an extremely strong indicator they wanted him back.
Now he might have seen the writing on the wall that this season was his last and he was probably right on that. He might be hunting for a new contract with guarantees past this upcoming season. Those might be factors, but I don't think they had any plans of moving on from him this off-season.
Willie Mays Hayes
Footballguy
I see him going to the Panthers in their "gimme all your Gamecocks" teambuilding strategy.
No I dont think they had plans to move on either. Not yet anyways.....
but those plans may have changed when the player has now indicated he does not want to be there.
bottom line: I think he only has 1 year left on this contract. if they cannot trade him, he will play it out and will likely walk. so might as well try to get something from him
Pearsall has played his rookie year flashed a bit late in the year so I think there is a chance hes ready to be the #2 behind Aiyuk.
so if Deebo wants out, theres likely not a better time to unload him than now. ideally its a football trade where they trade him away and get a player who fills a need elsewhere. trading for picks is tough because you rarely get full value in that kind of transaction on a player who may not be performing up to the level of his contract.
my take is that Pearsall may be a nice late pick in fantasy next year.
and if Deebo goes, the cat will be let out of the bag and his ADP will be a lot earlier
Well yeah.
I don't think they are afraid of him walking after this year. They expect it and have been preparing for it but I don't think it has anything to do with them allowing him to seek a trade. It likely is a big part of why Deebo is seeking one though.
This would not be my prediction for most likely outcome but I do think he might just end up returning and playing his last year with them. Typically when a team is not actively in trade talks with other teams but is granting permission to the player to seek his own trade it's because the player does not feel properly valued and/or does not like his contract. It's a way of letting the player get an idea of his market and there is certainly a chance the feedback will be a bit sobering for Deebo.
