WR Gabriel Davis, JAC (2 Viewers)

[barackdhouse]

I still think it's hard to get a read on what really happened in Buffalo because they shipped Diggs out of town as well. I personally think there is a Josh Allen head-case problem with both of those guys but he is the franchise and it's a numbers game and all that. But I'm just not sure how much those moves say about either Diggs or Davis as they do about the Bills and Allen. Sidebar there is mad opportunity in fantasy in Buffalo right now and the market hasn't even taken a stab at it. Yet Josh Allen often goes QB1. It id quite possible that without Diggs first and foremost but yes also without Davis, that the Bills offense will stagnate. Or be much more run heavy which could be better/worse for FF for Allen but I'm avoiding him. Drafting the heck out of Curtis Samuel and Kinkaid though.

Anyway I thought Jax was a great landing spot for Gabe simply because I think there was some weird chemistry issues in Buffalo. There were simply too many time I saw him wide open and Allen seemingly avoided him out of spite. He might be better than we think and a fresh start and all that. I think he can compete with Kirk and Engram for target share and be relevant but I'm not holding my breath for it.

What do you think of Shakira’s potential as a breakout this year?

I’ve been trying to acquire him in one league, and came pretty close… I still might throw a pick or two at him

I don't know about her ability as a WR, but she has some nice assets for sure.

oh god

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm mostly doing in best ball in bulk right now so I'm building stacks and so yeah he has just as much opportunity as any of them right now. I don't think he is ever THE guy though so not too big.

Voice to text made that more bootilicious than Intended.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I still think it's hard to get a read on what really happened in Buffalo because they shipped Diggs out of town as well. I personally think there is a Josh Allen head-case problem with both of those guys but he is the franchise and it's a numbers game and all that. But I'm just not sure how much those moves say about either Diggs or Davis as they do about the Bills and Allen. Sidebar there is mad opportunity in fantasy in Buffalo right now and the market hasn't even taken a stab at it. Yet Josh Allen often goes QB1. It id quite possible that without Diggs first and foremost but yes also without Davis, that the Bills offense will stagnate. Or be much more run heavy which could be better/worse for FF for Allen but I'm avoiding him. Drafting the heck out of Curtis Samuel and Kinkaid though.

Anyway I thought Jax was a great landing spot for Gabe simply because I think there was some weird chemistry issues in Buffalo. There were simply too many time I saw him wide open and Allen seemingly avoided him out of spite. He might be better than we think and a fresh start and all that. I think he can compete with Kirk and Engram for target share and be relevant but I'm not holding my breath for it.

You might be right, but I'm guessing we need to put most of the blame on Davis. He's entering his fifth season and outside of the occasional blow up game, he has disappointed and is impossible to play in fantasy because you never know when that game will be. I would rather hitch my wagon to the new toy in town Brian Thomas Jr.

That is probably the right take. But we can also draft Gabe super late and cheap and then dump him off that wagon rather than hitch it to him. Thomas is more of a hitch, though I agree and I think I'm at like 60% ownership of Thomas across something like 50 best ball drafts I've done now.

"CAN YOU FLY GABE?!"

*drop kicks 18th round Gabe Davis off the back of wagon onto waiver road*

Can't drop Gabe off my best ball teams though. Truth is even in the 16th round or so there are usually names I like better. Even though I'm a bigger believer in his talent than most there are some good names out there IMO.

Again, based on the targets / production stats I posted above, the “blame it on Gabe” take seems inaccurate at best, disingenuous or lazy at worst.

The stats don’t lie. When incorporated into the game plan, he was highly productive.

When ignored in the game plan, the obvious lack of production ensued.

Don’t see how that’s on Davis. At all.

 

[Ilov80s]

I still think it's hard to get a read on what really happened in Buffalo because they shipped Diggs out of town as well. I personally think there is a Josh Allen head-case problem with both of those guys but he is the franchise and it's a numbers game and all that. But I'm just not sure how much those moves say about either Diggs or Davis as they do about the Bills and Allen. Sidebar there is mad opportunity in fantasy in Buffalo right now and the market hasn't even taken a stab at it. Yet Josh Allen often goes QB1. It id quite possible that without Diggs first and foremost but yes also without Davis, that the Bills offense will stagnate. Or be much more run heavy which could be better/worse for FF for Allen but I'm avoiding him. Drafting the heck out of Curtis Samuel and Kinkaid though.

Anyway I thought Jax was a great landing spot for Gabe simply because I think there was some weird chemistry issues in Buffalo. There were simply too many time I saw him wide open and Allen seemingly avoided him out of spite. He might be better than we think and a fresh start and all that. I think he can compete with Kirk and Engram for target share and be relevant but I'm not holding my breath for it.

You might be right, but I'm guessing we need to put most of the blame on Davis. He's entering his fifth season and outside of the occasional blow up game, he has disappointed and is impossible to play in fantasy because you never know when that game will be. I would rather hitch my wagon to the new toy in town Brian Thomas Jr.

That is probably the right take. But we can also draft Gabe super late and cheap and then dump him off that wagon rather than hitch it to him. Thomas is more of a hitch, though I agree and I think I'm at like 60% ownership of Thomas across something like 50 best ball drafts I've done now.

"CAN YOU FLY GABE?!"

*drop kicks 18th round Gabe Davis off the back of wagon onto waiver road*

Can't drop Gabe off my best ball teams though. Truth is even in the 16th round or so there are usually names I like better. Even though I'm a bigger believer in his talent than most there are some good names out there IMO.

Again, based on the targets / production stats I posted above, the “blame it on Gabe” take seems inaccurate at best, disingenuous or lazy at worst.

The stats don’t lie. When incorporated into the game plan, he was highly productive.

When ignored in the game plan, the obvious lack of production ensued.

Don’t see how that’s on Davis. At all.

Sure but many would argue targets are a reflection of talent. Him not getting targets in so many games may speak to some flaw in his game.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Sure but many would argue targets are a reflection of talent. Him not getting targets in so many games may speak to some flaw in his game.

I considered this.

But then you look at the games he got targeted and see fantastic production, so that belies that notion.

The Bills were schizophrenic in his usage, and it’s pretty perplexing. Some games he was essentially used as a smaller blocking TE. Which is weird.

Then in others he was peppered and produced.

Again, look at the numbers I posted. In 10 games 4 or fewer targets, 7 games 3 or fewer. In the games where he had 6 targets or more he went for 100+, or a TD, or both.

Not sure how one could say lack of talent was the reason for lack of targets with that body of evidence. The math isn’t mathing.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also full disclosure, I have 2 shares. One I acquired for James Robinson (post Achilles), the other I got him as a toss-in on a larger deal.

I’m not particularly invested in him, save for the fact that he’s my WR4 in one league & WR6 in another, so while I hope he’s productive, he’s a BYE week filler for me.

 

[Scoresman]

Sure but many would argue targets are a reflection of talent. Him not getting targets in so many games may speak to some flaw in his game.

I considered this.

But then you look at the games he got targeted and see fantastic production, so that belies that notion.

The Bills were schizophrenic in his usage, and it’s pretty perplexing. Some games he was essentially used as a smaller blocking TE. Which is weird.

Then in others he was peppered and produced.

Again, look at the numbers I posted. In 10 games 4 or fewer targets, 7 games 3 or fewer. In the games where he had 6 targets or more he went for 100+, or a TD, or both.

Not sure how one could say lack of talent was the reason for lack of targets with that body of evidence. The math isn’t mathing.

Is he maybe an exceptionally good blocker and maybe they were playing teams that blitzed a lot those weeks?

His high snap count, zero point weeks were against CIN, NYJ, KC, and DAL.

His highest scoring weeks were against JAX, TB, PHI, LAC.

 

[Ilov80s]

Sure but many would argue targets are a reflection of talent. Him not getting targets in so many games may speak to some flaw in his game.

I considered this.

But then you look at the games he got targeted and see fantastic production, so that belies that notion.

The Bills were schizophrenic in his usage, and it’s pretty perplexing. Some games he was essentially used as a smaller blocking TE. Which is weird.

Then in others he was peppered and produced.

Again, look at the numbers I posted. In 10 games 4 or fewer targets, 7 games 3 or fewer. In the games where he had 6 targets or more he went for 100+, or a TD, or both.

Not sure how one could say lack of talent was the reason for lack of targets with that body of evidence. The math isn’t mathing.

Possible or maybe the games he didn’t get targeted those teams used more zone than man or maybe just better DBs or he wasn’t on his game and wasn’t getting open? Or some teams were selling out too hard on Diggs leaving him space?

 

[Ilov80s]

Sure but many would argue targets are a reflection of talent. Him not getting targets in so many games may speak to some flaw in his game.

I considered this.

But then you look at the games he got targeted and see fantastic production, so that belies that notion.

The Bills were schizophrenic in his usage, and it’s pretty perplexing. Some games he was essentially used as a smaller blocking TE. Which is weird.

Then in others he was peppered and produced.

Again, look at the numbers I posted. In 10 games 4 or fewer targets, 7 games 3 or fewer. In the games where he had 6 targets or more he went for 100+, or a TD, or both.

Not sure how one could say lack of talent was the reason for lack of targets with that body of evidence. The math isn’t mathing.

Is he maybe an exceptionally good blocker and maybe they were playing teams that blitzed a lot those weeks?

His high snap count, zero point weeks were against CIN, NYJ, KC, and DAL.

His highest scoring weeks were against JAX, TB, PHI, LAC.

Do teams use WRs to stay in and block?

 

[Scoresman]

Sure but many would argue targets are a reflection of talent. Him not getting targets in so many games may speak to some flaw in his game.

I considered this.

But then you look at the games he got targeted and see fantastic production, so that belies that notion.

The Bills were schizophrenic in his usage, and it’s pretty perplexing. Some games he was essentially used as a smaller blocking TE. Which is weird.

Then in others he was peppered and produced.

Again, look at the numbers I posted. In 10 games 4 or fewer targets, 7 games 3 or fewer. In the games where he had 6 targets or more he went for 100+, or a TD, or both.

Not sure how one could say lack of talent was the reason for lack of targets with that body of evidence. The math isn’t mathing.

Is he maybe an exceptionally good blocker and maybe they were playing teams that blitzed a lot those weeks?

His high snap count, zero point weeks were against CIN, NYJ, KC, and DAL.

His highest scoring weeks were against JAX, TB, PHI, LAC.

Do teams use WRs to stay in and block?

I have no idea. Hot Sauce Guy mentioned that he had been used as a smaller blocking TE which is why I asked. I know they use TEs for things like this when teams get blitz heavy.

It might make sense that if he is a good blocker, and the TEs they have maybe aren't, that he would be used for such things if needed.

If this is the case, Jacksonville's OL is a lot worse than Buffalo's so they may need the help.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Is he maybe an exceptionally good blocker and maybe they were playing teams that blitzed a lot those weeks?

His high snap count, zero point weeks were against CIN, NYJ, KC, and DAL.

His highest scoring weeks were against JAX, TB, PHI, LAC.

Plausible explanation. BUF certainly employs a move TE, and CIN, NYJ, KC, & DAL have above average pass rush.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If this is the case, Jacksonville's OL is a lot worse than Buffalo's so they may need the help.

I’ve never seen a team other than BUF do it.

I have serious doubts that JAX made Davis an offseason priority to use him as a blocker on passing downs.

 

[barackdhouse]

I still think it's hard to get a read on what really happened in Buffalo because they shipped Diggs out of town as well. I personally think there is a Josh Allen head-case problem with both of those guys but he is the franchise and it's a numbers game and all that. But I'm just not sure how much those moves say about either Diggs or Davis as they do about the Bills and Allen. Sidebar there is mad opportunity in fantasy in Buffalo right now and the market hasn't even taken a stab at it. Yet Josh Allen often goes QB1. It id quite possible that without Diggs first and foremost but yes also without Davis, that the Bills offense will stagnate. Or be much more run heavy which could be better/worse for FF for Allen but I'm avoiding him. Drafting the heck out of Curtis Samuel and Kinkaid though.

Anyway I thought Jax was a great landing spot for Gabe simply because I think there was some weird chemistry issues in Buffalo. There were simply too many time I saw him wide open and Allen seemingly avoided him out of spite. He might be better than we think and a fresh start and all that. I think he can compete with Kirk and Engram for target share and be relevant but I'm not holding my breath for it.

You might be right, but I'm guessing we need to put most of the blame on Davis. He's entering his fifth season and outside of the occasional blow up game, he has disappointed and is impossible to play in fantasy because you never know when that game will be. I would rather hitch my wagon to the new toy in town Brian Thomas Jr.

That is probably the right take. But we can also draft Gabe super late and cheap and then dump him off that wagon rather than hitch it to him. Thomas is more of a hitch, though I agree and I think I'm at like 60% ownership of Thomas across something like 50 best ball drafts I've done now.

"CAN YOU FLY GABE?!"

*drop kicks 18th round Gabe Davis off the back of wagon onto waiver road*

Can't drop Gabe off my best ball teams though. Truth is even in the 16th round or so there are usually names I like better. Even though I'm a bigger believer in his talent than most there are some good names out there IMO.

Again, based on the targets / production stats I posted above, the “blame it on Gabe” take seems inaccurate at best, disingenuous or lazy at worst.

The stats don’t lie. When incorporated into the game plan, he was highly productive.

When ignored in the game plan, the obvious lack of production ensued.

Don’t see how that’s on Davis. At all.

agreed,

I still think it's hard to get a read on what really happened in Buffalo because they shipped Diggs out of town as well. I personally think there is a Josh Allen head-case problem with both of those guys but he is the franchise and it's a numbers game and all that. But I'm just not sure how much those moves say about either Diggs or Davis as they do about the Bills and Allen. Sidebar there is mad opportunity in fantasy in Buffalo right now and the market hasn't even taken a stab at it. Yet Josh Allen often goes QB1. It id quite possible that without Diggs first and foremost but yes also without Davis, that the Bills offense will stagnate. Or be much more run heavy which could be better/worse for FF for Allen but I'm avoiding him. Drafting the heck out of Curtis Samuel and Kinkaid though.

Anyway I thought Jax was a great landing spot for Gabe simply because I think there was some weird chemistry issues in Buffalo. There were simply too many time I saw him wide open and Allen seemingly avoided him out of spite. He might be better than we think and a fresh start and all that. I think he can compete with Kirk and Engram for target share and be relevant but I'm not holding my breath for it.

You might be right, but I'm guessing we need to put most of the blame on Davis. He's entering his fifth season and outside of the occasional blow up game, he has disappointed and is impossible to play in fantasy because you never know when that game will be. I would rather hitch my wagon to the new toy in town Brian Thomas Jr.

That is probably the right take. But we can also draft Gabe super late and cheap and then dump him off that wagon rather than hitch it to him. Thomas is more of a hitch, though I agree and I think I'm at like 60% ownership of Thomas across something like 50 best ball drafts I've done now.

"CAN YOU FLY GABE?!"

*drop kicks 18th round Gabe Davis off the back of wagon onto waiver road*

Can't drop Gabe off my best ball teams though. Truth is even in the 16th round or so there are usually names I like better. Even though I'm a bigger believer in his talent than most there are some good names out there IMO.

Again, based on the targets / production stats I posted above, the “blame it on Gabe” take seems inaccurate at best, disingenuous or lazy at worst.

The stats don’t lie. When incorporated into the game plan, he was highly productive.

When ignored in the game plan, the obvious lack of production ensued.

Don’t see how that’s on Davis. At all.

Sure but many would argue targets are a reflection of talent. Him not getting targets in so many games may speak to some flaw in his game.

indeed. that is probably the simplest occam's razor explanation of it all.

 

[barackdhouse]

I'm mostly doing in best ball in bulk right now so I'm building stacks and so yeah he has just as much opportunity as any of them right now. I don't think he is ever THE guy though so not too big.

Voice to text made that more bootilicious than Intended.

HULK SICK BALLS SMASH ewww Shakira

I'll see myself out

 

[Tau837]

I am a fan of Matt Harmon's Reception Perception. Here are some things he said in Davis's 2023 Player Profile, dated March 11, 2024.

...The problem is, because he’s such a limited separator, having him as the X-receiver can be a debilitating factor for your offense if he has to be one of your top two wideouts...

...All throughout the course of his time with the Buffalo Bills, Davis has proven to be a below-average route runner and separator. He’s never cleared a 65% success rate vs. man or 64% success rate vs. press despite being a primary outside receiver. That’s not a high bar we’re looking for, by the way. Despite this never being a strength, the 2023 season checked in as the worst of Davis’ four years as a pro. His 53.8% success rate vs. man was a career-low mark, as was his 51% success rate vs. press...

...we know through RP history that beating man coverage is more important for outside receivers and that is just an area where Davis never developed into a starting-caliber player...

...consistency and separation are anchor-like flaws...

...a limited application player that you ideally want to be a low-volume lid-lifter. The Bills have never truly found their footing with him as one of their top two receivers. They wanted him to develop further, it just didn’t happen...

...Josh Allen is probably the perfect quarterback to mesh with a deep threat-only wideout who works well on scramble drills and in tight downfield coverage. Not every quarterback can thrive with a volatile receiver of this ilk....

 

[Tau837]

I still think it's hard to get a read on what really happened in Buffalo because they shipped Diggs out of town as well. I personally think there is a Josh Allen head-case problem with both of those guys but he is the franchise and it's a numbers game and all that. But I'm just not sure how much those moves say about either Diggs or Davis as they do about the Bills and Allen. Sidebar there is mad opportunity in fantasy in Buffalo right now and the market hasn't even taken a stab at it. Yet Josh Allen often goes QB1. It id quite possible that without Diggs first and foremost but yes also without Davis, that the Bills offense will stagnate. Or be much more run heavy which could be better/worse for FF for Allen but I'm avoiding him. Drafting the heck out of Curtis Samuel and Kinkaid though.

Anyway I thought Jax was a great landing spot for Gabe simply because I think there was some weird chemistry issues in Buffalo. There were simply too many time I saw him wide open and Allen seemingly avoided him out of spite. He might be better than we think and a fresh start and all that. I think he can compete with Kirk and Engram for target share and be relevant but I'm not holding my breath for it.

You might be right, but I'm guessing we need to put most of the blame on Davis. He's entering his fifth season and outside of the occasional blow up game, he has disappointed and is impossible to play in fantasy because you never know when that game will be. I would rather hitch my wagon to the new toy in town Brian Thomas Jr.

That is probably the right take. But we can also draft Gabe super late and cheap and then dump him off that wagon rather than hitch it to him. Thomas is more of a hitch, though I agree and I think I'm at like 60% ownership of Thomas across something like 50 best ball drafts I've done now.

"CAN YOU FLY GABE?!"

*drop kicks 18th round Gabe Davis off the back of wagon onto waiver road*

Can't drop Gabe off my best ball teams though. Truth is even in the 16th round or so there are usually names I like better. Even though I'm a bigger believer in his talent than most there are some good names out there IMO.

Again, based on the targets / production stats I posted above, the “blame it on Gabe” take seems inaccurate at best, disingenuous or lazy at worst.

The stats don’t lie. When incorporated into the game plan, he was highly productive.

When ignored in the game plan, the obvious lack of production ensued.

Don’t see how that’s on Davis. At all.

But you seem to believe that Gabe bears zero responsibility for not being more often incorporated into the game plan. My opinion is that coaches tend to incorporate their best players into the game plan. If they weren't doing that with him this often, then one of two things must be true: (1) the coaches are morons; (2) Gabe didn't play well enough / isn't good enough to be incorporated into the game plans more often. If I had to pick one of those, I'd pick #2.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But you seem to believe that Gabe bears zero responsibility for not being more often incorporated into the game plan.

Most would agree that Gabe Davis was not the Bills OC, yes. I don’t see that as a stretch.

My opinion is that coaches tend to incorporate their best players into the game plan. If they weren't doing that with him this often, then one of two things must be true: (1) the coaches are morons; (2) Gabe didn't play well enough / isn't good enough to be incorporated into the game plans more often. If I had to pick one of those, I'd pick #2.

Ok, you’re entitled to that opinion.

However, you can also look at his 2023 game log to see the simple fact that when he was incorporated, he produced very solid stat lines. This isn’t disputable.

When he was not, he obviously did not. No one would. I watched some of those games. As @barackdhouse said, he was at times running wide open & Allen simply didn’t see him or didn’t target him.

That obviously is not on Gabe, so not sure how you could conclude it was. But again, I won’t tell you that you can’t have that opinion.

 

[Tau837]

But you seem to believe that Gabe bears zero responsibility for not being more often incorporated into the game plan.

Most would agree that Gabe Davis was not the Bills OC, yes. I don’t see that as a stretch.

My opinion is that coaches tend to incorporate their best players into the game plan. If they weren't doing that with him this often, then one of two things must be true: (1) the coaches are morons; (2) Gabe didn't play well enough / isn't good enough to be incorporated into the game plans more often. If I had to pick one of those, I'd pick #2.

Ok, you’re entitled to that opinion.

However, you can also look at his 2023 game log to see the simple fact that when he was incorporated, he produced very solid stat lines. This isn’t disputable.

When he was not, he obviously did not. No one would. I watched some of those games. As @barackdhouse said, he was at times running wide open & Allen simply didn’t see him or didn’t target him.

That obviously is not on Gabe, so not sure how you could conclude it was. But again, I won’t tell you that you can’t have that opinion.

Players who merit more targets tend to get more targets unless the coaches are morons (doubtful) or the QB is awful at his reads (don't think this is true for Allen). You are welcome to believe Gabe is an exception for whatever reason(s), but all of the stuff I posted from Matt Harmon, who has evaluated Davis after every season of his NFL career, would seem to disagree with that. I guess you're entitled to believe he is wrong, too.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You are welcome to believe Gabe is an exception for whatever reason(s),

Sorry, did I ever say that?

That’s the 2nd time you’ve tried to put words in my mouth, so we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Tau837]

You are welcome to believe Gabe is an exception for whatever reason(s),

Sorry, did I ever say that?

That’s the 2nd time you’ve tried to put words in my mouth, so we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

I have to say, you are a difficult person to have an exchange with. You have a tendency to escalate exchanges, as you have done here, making it more confrontational.

Also, FYI, "you seem to believe" and "My opinion is" is not putting words in your mouth. I would hope you understand that. And you responded to confirm my "you seem to believe" statement, so this is a bizarre comment.

Did you write the exact words I wrote in my last post? No. You certainly implied it IMO. And I notice that you ignored the stuff I posted from Matt Harmon because it doesn't fit your view.

Fine agreeing to disagree, and moving on.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Fine agreeing to disagree, and moving on.

This is all you had to type. The personal attacks were completely unnecessary. You’re now ignored.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I am a fan of Matt Harmon's Reception Perception. Here are some things he said in Davis's 2023 Player Profile, dated March 11, 2024.

...The problem is, because he’s such a limited separator, having him as the X-receiver can be a debilitating factor for your offense if he has to be one of your top two wideouts...

...All throughout the course of his time with the Buffalo Bills, Davis has proven to be a below-average route runner and separator. He’s never cleared a 65% success rate vs. man or 64% success rate vs. press despite being a primary outside receiver. That’s not a high bar we’re looking for, by the way. Despite this never being a strength, the 2023 season checked in as the worst of Davis’ four years as a pro. His 53.8% success rate vs. man was a career-low mark, as was his 51% success rate vs. press...

...we know through RP history that beating man coverage is more important for outside receivers and that is just an area where Davis never developed into a starting-caliber player...

...consistency and separation are anchor-like flaws...

...a limited application player that you ideally want to be a low-volume lid-lifter. The Bills have never truly found their footing with him as one of their top two receivers. They wanted him to develop further, it just didn’t happen...

...Josh Allen is probably the perfect quarterback to mesh with a deep threat-only wideout who works well on scramble drills and in tight downfield coverage. Not every quarterback can thrive with a volatile receiver of this ilk....

Thanks for posting this

 

[jm192]

I agree with the take that talent gets targets.

I think Josh Allen is an elite NFL quarterback. And if you're consistently open, then he'll get you the ball. I'm sure there were times where Gabe got open and Davis didn't see him or didn't throw it to him. But I'd venture to guess most receivers have some of those instances.

I've watched a lot of NFL games where the announcer shows a replay where a pass catcher was wide open but the QB didn't see it or didn't have time to make the throw.

For Gabe's fantasy prospects: He went into 2023 as the favorite to be the 2nd option. Maybe the 3rd with Kincaid in town? He was inconsistent and his overall numbers weren't impressive.

Now with a less elite QB--he's got seemingly even more target competition. Kirk and Engram have their roles pretty clearly defined. I think Brian Thomas was drafted to be an X receiver. He's a younger/more raw/higher upside version of Gabe.

Now, I think Thomas could be slower to acclimate. Maybe he never becomes a star receiver. But I certainly think Jacksonville intends to put him in a position to find his way.

I think Gabe is potentially the 4th option, maybe 5th counting for ETN. I probably just won't have him this year. There are other guys around where he's going that I'm really happy to get instead.

I've been doing a lot of Underdog best ball drafts: He goes around Jeudy and Dotson. QB wise, he's around Tua, Goff, and Herbert. RB wise, I'd rather have Charbonnet, Dowdle, and even Chubb.

 

[massraider]

It's hard to evaluate his potential this season, because so many people were burned in 2022. Never seen people so butthurt.

This thread has been like a battered wives meeting for almost two years now.

 

[Ilov80s]

It's hard to evaluate his potential this season, because so many people were burned in 2022. Never seen people so butthurt.

This thread has been like a battered wives meeting for almost two years now.

Gabe Davis has been one of the great lightning rods for fantasy.

 

[Gally]

His highest scoring weeks were against JAX,

We may now know why Jax really wanted him....

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I am a fan of Matt Harmon's Reception Perception. Here are some things he said in Davis's 2023 Player Profile, dated March 11, 2024.

...The problem is, because he’s such a limited separator, having him as the X-receiver can be a debilitating factor for your offense if he has to be one of your top two wideouts...

...All throughout the course of his time with the Buffalo Bills, Davis has proven to be a below-average route runner and separator. He’s never cleared a 65% success rate vs. man or 64% success rate vs. press despite being a primary outside receiver. That’s not a high bar we’re looking for, by the way. Despite this never being a strength, the 2023 season checked in as the worst of Davis’ four years as a pro. His 53.8% success rate vs. man was a career-low mark, as was his 51% success rate vs. press...

...we know through RP history that beating man coverage is more important for outside receivers and that is just an area where Davis never developed into a starting-caliber player...

...consistency and separation are anchor-like flaws...

...a limited application player that you ideally want to be a low-volume lid-lifter. The Bills have never truly found their footing with him as one of their top two receivers. They wanted him to develop further, it just didn’t happen...

...Josh Allen is probably the perfect quarterback to mesh with a deep threat-only wideout who works well on scramble drills and in tight downfield coverage. Not every quarterback can thrive with a volatile receiver of this ilk....

Thanks for posting this

I wonder where Trevor might look to throw the football if Gabe Davis can't seize the No 1 role?
Hmmm, there's gotta be someone on that team with a resume that includes a target load of maybe 120 over the season if not more
If not an X wideout to chuck it, perhaps Trevor can find the Zlot Receiver

Kirk is going to cruise to 80/1100 on 120-140 targets, if it's closer to 140 then he might approach 90+ catches
I don't see that for Gabe Davis who has never had 100 targets in any one season

 

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[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's hard to evaluate his potential this season, because so many people were burned in 2022. Never seen people so butthurt.

This thread has been like a battered wives meeting for almost two years now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I wonder where Trevor might look to throw the football if Gabe Davis can't seize the No 1 role?

I don’t believe Gabe is expected to seize the #1 role.

I’ve read quite a few quotes from the Jags since his acquisition. I haven’t seen any to imply WR1 status.

I think they see him as a big body target who can get open deep, and be utilized in the RZ. I expect a lot more crossing routes & quick hitters in JAX than he saw in BUF where he was used as a deep threat or a blocker and not a lot in between.

Hmmm, there's gotta be someone on that team with a resume that includes a target load of maybe 120 over the season if not more
If not an X wideout to chuck it, perhaps Trevor can find the Zlot Receiver

Kirk is going to cruise to 80/1100 on 120-140 targets, if it's closer to 140 then he might approach 90+ catches
I don't see that for Gabe Davis who has never had 100 targets in any one season

I really like Kirk. He never gets the respect on FF he deserves. I’m gonna try to pick up some shares.

 

[Ilov80s]

No matter what, I don't think Gabe Davis becomes a target hog alpha. Best case for him would be a Marvin Jones to the Lions kind of 2nd half to his career.

 

[Ilov80s]

I wonder where Trevor might look to throw the football if Gabe Davis can't seize the No 1 role?

I don’t believe Gabe is expected to seize the #1 role.

I’ve read quite a few quotes from the Jags since his acquisition. I haven’t seen any to imply WR1 status.

I think they see him as a big body target who can get open deep, and be utilized in the RZ. I expect a lot more crossing routes & quick hitters in JAX than he saw in BUF where he was used as a deep threat or a blocker and not a lot in between.

Hmmm, there's gotta be someone on that team with a resume that includes a target load of maybe 120 over the season if not more
If not an X wideout to chuck it, perhaps Trevor can find the Zlot Receiver

Kirk is going to cruise to 80/1100 on 120-140 targets, if it's closer to 140 then he might approach 90+ catches
I don't see that for Gabe Davis who has never had 100 targets in any one season

I really like Kirk. He never gets the respect on FF he deserves. I’m gonna try to pick up some shares.

Kirk is a very nice value this year

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

No matter what, I don't think Gabe Davis becomes a target hog alpha. Best case for him would be a Marvin Jones to the Lions kind of 2nd half to his career.

I’d be fine with that production.

Really if he puts up his average yearly totals with better weekly consistency I’d be happy with that as his floor.

It’s the all or nothing schtick that’s maddening. No one likes getting burned by their WR by a 0 in an important week.

 

[Ilov80s]

No matter what, I don't think Gabe Davis becomes a target hog alpha. Best case for him would be a Marvin Jones to the Lions kind of 2nd half to his career.

I’d be fine with that production.

Really if he puts up his average yearly totals with better weekly consistency I’d be happy with that as his floor.

It’s the all or nothing schtick that’s maddening. No one likes getting burned by their WR by a 0 in an important week.

If I remember Jones was pretty boom/bust as well but he was ultimately giving you between WR 15 and WR 25 ish per game averages- very usable.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I wonder where Trevor might look to throw the football if Gabe Davis can't seize the No 1 role?

I don’t believe Gabe is expected to seize the #1 role.

I’ve read quite a few quotes from the Jags since his acquisition. I haven’t seen any to imply WR1 status.

I think they see him as a big body target who can get open deep, and be utilized in the RZ. I expect a lot more crossing routes & quick hitters in JAX than he saw in BUF where he was used as a deep threat or a blocker and not a lot in between.

Hmmm, there's gotta be someone on that team with a resume that includes a target load of maybe 120 over the season if not more
If not an X wideout to chuck it, perhaps Trevor can find the Zlot Receiver

Kirk is going to cruise to 80/1100 on 120-140 targets, if it's closer to 140 then he might approach 90+ catches
I don't see that for Gabe Davis who has never had 100 targets in any one season

I really like Kirk. He never gets the respect on FF he deserves. I’m gonna try to pick up some shares.

And just to be clear, MoP likes Gabe Davis in general. As a WR3/4, the weeks he did hit were strong
I'd like to see him take another step forward as a WR, certainly not rooting against the 6-2/225 big frame WR ye speak of.

-I've been a Kirk supporter since he Jags signed him to what seemed like big money 2-3 years ago.
Kirk is a top-5 Slot WR, I don't think many would be able to argue against that. His floor if healthy has to be close to 75/1,000 since he is pretty consistent.

 

[The Dude]

The key to Gabe in 2023 was whether or not he got involved early. Not sure how it was determined if he was going to get looks early.

 

[barackdhouse]

The key to Gabe in 2023 was whether or not he got involved early. Not sure how it was determined if he was going to get looks early.

It was a question of whether Josh Allen was pissed at him that day or not.

 

[VikingFrog]

The key to Gabe in 2023 was whether or not he got involved early. Not sure how it was determined if he was going to get looks early.

Judging from his Buffalo thread I read through yesterday.

The way they decided to involve him early was to have Josh Allen log into The Sharkpool, read about all the comments of guys sitting Gabe Davis, and unleashing him for 100+ and a TD.

 

[cockroach]

Seems like the kind of guy to come out with a huge game week 1.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Does Davis hold much fantasy value? It sounds like Kirk and Engram will be the first two options, with BTJ likely taking over at WR2 sooner than later.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Does Davis hold much fantasy value? It sounds like Kirk and Engram will be the first two options, with BTJ likely taking over at WR2 sooner than later.

Everything I've read to date has indicated that it will be Davis & BTJ in 2 WR sets. Not sure how many of those the Jags run vs 3 WR sets, but I thought that was interesting.

 

[Rubi]

Live a little south of Jacksonville,the sports writers up there have been calling him "Gabe go deep or don't go at all Davis".