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WR Jameson Williams, DET (19 Viewers)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
on pace for
- 153 targets
- 85-2057-17
- 17-221
- 102 touches
- 2278 YFS
Soulfly3
Footballguy
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I think I'm most excited for the Jon_mx victory laps every week. If he finishes a top 5 WR it will be very fun here.
He won't get it, but that would give him OPOY and I would be a very very very happy person as my +40000 lottery ticket would come home.
BTW, those missed targets were on Goff and/or the defense. They left some meat on the bone.
They will get theirs. The Rams schemed to stop them and they did. Teams are going to have to pay more attention to Jamo. I still see the Lions big 5 possibly all getting 1000 plus yards, with maybe one just missing out.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
weird. it's almost like he was being drafted too low.
And just one week in, good luck finding one Jamo owner who would trade for either of those guys.
Matt Harmon does interesting route analysis for WRs in the NFL. Here he charts out all the routes Jamo ran last night when he was targetted and where he caught it and the YAC (68 of 121 were YAC). He had Jamo as one of the top WRs in the league at beating zone coverage last year in the last part of the season.
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Or, maybe he is gumby-esque and will be really pliable when he gets hit.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Naturally, I faced Jamo in both of my 16 team dynasty leagues. That 50+ yard TD is likely why I will lose in one. I have a very good shot at winning the other, but it certainly didn't help.
I wouldn't mind so much if he'd helped me in other leagues.
My concern about Jamo going forward is what will happen with him when ARSB is once again dominating targets? Rams are a good, but flawed secondary. It will be interesting to see how the Lions look against future opponents - I don't see him falling off a cliff, and I hate to be the "if not for the 50+ yard TD his numbers would have been more pedestrian" guy, but... It will be interesting to see how the passing distribution looks going forward. My fear as an ARSB owner is that in a relatively run-centric offense, there will be a weekly star and a lot of eh performances.
Will it be ARSB, Jamo, Gibbs, or LaPorta who's the FF star of any given Sunday? Let's find out!
I wouldn't mind so much if he'd helped me in other leagues.
My concern about Jamo going forward is what will happen with him when ARSB is once again dominating targets? Rams are a good, but flawed secondary. It will be interesting to see how the Lions look against future opponents - I don't see him falling off a cliff, and I hate to be the "if not for the 50+ yard TD his numbers would have been more pedestrian" guy, but... It will be interesting to see how the passing distribution looks going forward. My fear as an ARSB owner is that in a relatively run-centric offense, there will be a weekly star and a lot of eh performances.
Will it be ARSB, Jamo, Gibbs, or LaPorta who's the FF star of any given Sunday? Let's find out!
I don't have this fear because of the way they use Jamo. He has a skillset that nobody else has on that team and they will take their shots. He doesn't need high volume to be effective. I think last night was a solid game and something that is likely to happen each week. I don't mean he is going for 120 and a TD every week but they will take their deep shot and hit him on some crossers. He eats up real-estate quickly so it doesn't take much for him to be useful.
I am confident in him moving forward as an every week starter.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m less confident. There’s only 1 football, and I think the Lions like to run a lot.
We’ll see what happens, and I know in the preseason everyone wanted pieces of this offense, but at the moment it feels like Monty might quietly be the most consistent piece to roster on this team.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree. But that deep shot isn’t always going to connect. His line without it wouldn’t be as pretty. That’s my only point here.
Not discounting his week 1 performance at all. Great game.
Just a lot of mouths to feed in DET is all.
Take out a TD catch from anyone's line and it's not as pretty. 4 catches for 70 yds is still solid outing.
ETA: I would maybe agree more if he had 2 catches for 13 yds without the long TD.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
In neutral game situations this week, the Lions were 26th (out of 30) in pass percentage.
Anyone who has paid attention the last few years that has some variance week to week. One game will be Jah week, another game it will be LsPorta. Last night the defense and special teams carried the offense.
The one constant for the last 31 games (23-8) has been St. Had the least productive full game of his career last night (Week 3 of his rookie year was the only time he had less production and wasn't injured) - the offense literally has gone through him since Week 12 2021, don't see that core philosophy changing.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don't disagree that 4/70 is solid. But I look at ARSB's somewhat shallow workload, and see LaPorta's also not awesome stat line and It gives me pause.
Not saying the sky is falling, just trying to look at this mile-high wondering what realistic expectations are looking ahead. Will it be Jamo this week, ARSB next, and LaPorta the week after? Overall the volume wasn't conducive to multiple high output receivers - they threw the ball 28x, 18/28
18 completions doesn't seem like enough to feed ARSB, LaPorta, Jamo, Gibbs, and whomever else is getting targets.
But 1 game is just 1 game. I'm just making an observation here, not a definitive statement.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I'm pretty much saying the same thing. And it's odd that of everyone, ARSB was the forgotten man. Now I'll have to go back and check that game to see if the Rams were trying to take ARSB away - that's certainly possible, and may be what led to some wide open looks for other receivers.
But again, it's just one game.
Chaka
Footballguy
The passing volume was definitely down for sure and I can see where in a similar script that maybe the targets get flipped where ARSB gets the 9+ targets and Jamo gets around 5-ish targets. I guess my point is that I believe that is still enough for Jamo to be a factor fantasy wise due to the type of targets I believe he will be getting.
I was pleasantly surprised regarding the type of targets he got although maybe that was a function of how the Rams were playing vs ARSB/LaPorta and it led to this approach. Regardless there will be a couple of shots a game downfield no matter what so the potential for the 50+ TD is always going to be there.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That was a scary moment after his 1st (or was it 2nd?) reception - kinda got tangled up with a couple guys.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Given good health, that offense is going to be a nightmare for DC's to scheme for. I just don't see how you cover all those dudes.
Goff averaged 24 completions on 36 throws for about 270 yards last season. Last night was a sub-par offense performance by the Lions. That allows for each of the big 4 receiving threats to get about 5 or 6 receptions on 7 or 8 targets. I have been in the minority, but I think Saints target numbers do take a bit of a hit, but will still be the clear target leader. Jamo will consistently see 5 targets a game and often a carry.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
It's absolutely what they were doing - they were two high with a low dropper all night. Ravens and Bears did this last year to good effect. Last night Ben Johnson had better answers when the safeties and LBs were clogging the middle. I don't remember seeing a single instance of middle field open last night (but who knows, need the All 22 to judge pass coverage fairly.)
The Rams objective last night was to take away the Lions #1 bread n butter route, in breakers to LaPorta and ARSB. Detroit completed a few (+ 1 was maybe intercepted) but nothing like the 10-15 per game they usually have when they're cooking with gas.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
There is always the possibility that they run more this year than they did last.
But five targets a game seems pretty reasonable. No argument there.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Cut Brown. He's in at best a 50/50 timeshare, the Bengals are always poo early in the season, and between the health of Burrows, the quality of the OL and the attitudes of Chase and Higgins (the former wants to get paid but the team isn't ready yet, the latter will be elsewhere next year because the team won't pay him), I would not be surprised if CIN is a much less appealing offense than expected.
what kind of league are you in where Jameson is on the wire? of course you should drop chase brown for him, but my question is why is he on the waiver wire in the first place?
if Willams becomes a 1000 yard receiver they have to. those targets have to come from somewhere.
If St Browns targets stay the same, that actually will limit how big the guys potential breakout will be. some of the yards and catches will come from the offense being more efficient as a whole, but not all. at some point other players targets need to go down so Williams targets can go up.
its the whole too many mouths to feed argument.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
These are victory sprints! Jamo is too fast, he laps victory not the other way around!
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Jamo is so fast his shadow has to keep asking him to slow down.
Jamo is so fast he doesn't even have a shadow.
I’m in a ten man short bench league and dropped him. Planning on dropping $26 to get him back. Might go higher by the end of the night.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Sounds conservative
Jamo is so fast, the Flash wears Jamo underwear.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
They can come from Josh Reynolds (64), Raymond (44), Marvin Jones (10), and Peoples-Jones (7). That is 125 targets up for grabs that don't affect ARSB or Laporta. Say Jamo gets 75% of those that is an additional 90 targets to add to his 40 from last year. That puts him at 130 targets without taking anything away from ARSB or LaPorta.
I am still shocked that zero experts believed in Jamo. It is not like he did not have the tools or was buried in a competition or was on a poor offense.
Unfortunately the band wagon is now filling up and it will be harder to profit on him. I do have some nice season bets that he should easily obtain if he stays healthy.
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't think "will I start him?" is ever the entire calculus on a player.
"Is he a high end back up plan against injury or Darnold?" That has value.
"Does he have standalone trade value for someone who loves him more than me <cough> @jon_mx </cough>?" Is a real thing.
"Do I love him enough to trade one of my 'better' guys and pull back more value?" Is the bold play but extracts the most value.
Jameson checks all of those boxes today.
Chaka
Footballguy
I have a 30% bid ($100 IRL FA budget).
But, I'm kind of a fan boy.
I do view him as one of those potential league winner FAs. Along the lines of Mason or Jaylen Wright.
Shakir is also available in my league (Kincaid too but we're 10 teams and combine WRs - TEs) and I'm a big fan but I don't think he has that world beating upside, even with his potential opportunity relative to Jameson's.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Did the exact same with Sam Laporta as well. His projections were for an all time rookie season which was derided on here but ultimately came to pass ! Jon does make some very bold calls that you could say are at the very ceiling of positive as it pertains to Lions players BUT they are backed up by the deeper knowledge that a fan of a team possesses and sit just within the spectrum of possibility having been based on logic. I’m delighted week 1 backed @jon_mx up !!
If he is available for some odd reason, Jamo will be one of the most valuable pickups of the year. There are usually only a handful which have the big impact.
But Jamo still has some things which will hold him back from really blowing the lid off off the league.
1. Not a super heavy target guy. 9 is on the upper limit. Typically l see ARSB with 10 targets and LaPorta and Jamo with 5 to 7 targets each. And usually add in one reverse for Jamo. His stat line on reverses is now a respectable 6-124-2.
2. Goff still under throws the deep ball. Goff hit Jamo perfectly on the slant 20 yards down the field which allowed Jamo to add 20 more YAC.. But the deep pass 45 yards down field, Goff under threw the ball a bit. Jamo did a great job at adjusting and it only slowed him down a little. But Goff is going to cost Jamo a few big deep ball plays because his tendancy is to under throw Jamo on 40+ throws.. But that deep ball was an improvement from previous years deep throws. Goff has the arm strength.
But Jamo still has some things which will hold him back from really blowing the lid off off the league.
1. Not a super heavy target guy. 9 is on the upper limit. Typically l see ARSB with 10 targets and LaPorta and Jamo with 5 to 7 targets each. And usually add in one reverse for Jamo. His stat line on reverses is now a respectable 6-124-2.
2. Goff still under throws the deep ball. Goff hit Jamo perfectly on the slant 20 yards down the field which allowed Jamo to add 20 more YAC.. But the deep pass 45 yards down field, Goff under threw the ball a bit. Jamo did a great job at adjusting and it only slowed him down a little. But Goff is going to cost Jamo a few big deep ball plays because his tendancy is to under throw Jamo on 40+ throws.. But that deep ball was an improvement from previous years deep throws. Goff has the arm strength.
