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WR Kadarius Toney, KC (2 Viewers)
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nirad3
Footballguy
Man I don't know what I'm gonna be doing here with this guy. The league where I nabbed him I also have MVS. I may start both and just hope that one of them has a great game and the other does OK at worst. I am also targeting Pacheco in this same league so hoping for lots of points the next few weeks out of the KC O.
OH and I have Mahomes in that same league. LOL
OH and I have Mahomes in that same league. LOL
Not Toney-related, but your post reminds me of that time in the late 1990s where you could cruise to the playoffs if you could manage to stack Jeff George, Tim Brown, and Napoleon Kaufman of the Raiders.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Chiefs beat writer was on local radio while I went and grabbed my lunch. He thinks Toney will emerge as the #1 this year. He just does stuff that the other receivers can't do. And if Smith-Schuster is out this week Toney could really bust out.
Also, Mahomes had a comment in his presser after the game basically saying "since he's gotten here Toney is in the building as much as I have."
If I had Toney he's an every week must start in fantasy. Just my opinion.
Also, Mahomes had a comment in his presser after the game basically saying "since he's gotten here Toney is in the building as much as I have."
If I had Toney he's an every week must start in fantasy. Just my opinion.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Another point the beat writer made was that when Toney was drafted he got drafted by a regime that was pretty much on their way out. And then a new regime comes in and seemingly doesn't have interest in using him. So maybe the fact that the Chiefs wanted him and brought him in and made him feel wanted is what will make the difference.
And the fact that the Chiefs are a pretty professional organization from top to bottom will enable them to really unlock this guy. The Chiefs may have found another Tyreek.
And the fact that the Chiefs are a pretty professional organization from top to bottom will enable them to really unlock this guy. The Chiefs may have found another Tyreek.
Chaka
Footballguy
That's an oddly specific memory.
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Just trying to understand how much of Toney's "break out" was due to JSS leaving the game and how much of it appeared to be designed?
Same plus his TD was a busted coverage, sort of lucky if you will. Most of us could here could have scored on that play.
I for one have no intention of putting him in a lineup this week if both JSS and Hardman are active. Not sure yet what I'll do if just one is out.
I think he was more a direct replacement of Hardman, no?
LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Yeah, not sure, which is why I posed the question. I don't closely follow their games so was just concerned it was related to JSS, who might even play this week. Come to that, both could end up playing right?
Instinctive
Footballguy
I heard a stat that it was the most separation from nearest defender on a TD reception since they began tracking it.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Only 5 looks when juju missed almost all game and no Hardman has me a little worried
Heard the same, was over 20 yards of separation. Toney was the 4th or 5th read on the play and Mahomes said he knew he was open when he heard Toney shouting "HEY".
I'd have honestly felt better about Toney if he was a primary read on the play. Take that fluke score away and the narrative surrounding him and an 11 point fantasy game would look a lot different. Add in he was a distant third in snaps without JSS or Hardman and I think people are jumping the gun on him being in any kind of must start status. I think I said this before but if both JSS and Hardman are playing he's a must not start for me, need to see more. Love him btw, but when everyone is healthy I still think he's crowded out of a regular role. More of a pick your spots kind of guy is how I view the Chiefs mainly utilizing him.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
I get the concerns but now Theres another full week of him learning, he put good film on tape, and the coaches can actually prepare and use him in the game plan. He has almost no choice but to play a major role in next weeks game. The injuries (or risk of reinjury) of the other players are forcing the coaches to use toney (one would think.) toney will practice the game plan while the others are probably still healing. You can bet your *** hardman will do what he can to get back out there but will risk reinjury. Juju has a more stable role than hardman so I can see him taking a week off due to concussion
The why isn’t important… watch the film. Juju or MVS don’t make that sideline grab, and Mahomes probably doesn’t even bother making that attempt to either one of them.
Chaka
Footballguy
MVS only got 4 looks and Kelce only 7.
Chaka
Footballguy
I have no reason to accept that as an accurate assessment. Mahomes pump faked the CB out of position, which led to a penalty on the CB, and both DBs were still out of position when the ball got there. It is very likely he would have thrown that ball to any receiver in that position.
You're not accepting that he threw the ball to Toney while double covered? Cool. Who cares?
Chaka
Footballguy
No, I am not accepting your suggestion that Mahomes wouldn't put that ball up to JJ, MVS or any other receiver on the roster.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Right, 9 different players caught passes
Dark Matter
Footballguy
I had him but had to drop in a short bench league to cover for Kyler. So bummed as I think he is only going to get better every week.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Alright I'm biting. After loosing Kupp looking for some upside. Just picked up K Toney. So far he's on the bench, but if too many KC WR's are out, he could see a start this week. Also picked up Pacheco in another league for the 3rd time this year and now he likely starts in the Flex this week.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
For this season, I think Toney will need to rely on Hardman and Schuster injuries to see enough snaps to be fantasy relevant. Next year? Look out. I know Toney is viewed as a head case, but the talent is there. An analyst said that Toney is easily the most talented WR on KC - and I don't disagree.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
He’s going to be a big part of the game plan especially since the other guys aren’t practicing. I’m expecting 5-50 minimum floor
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Insert image of Slim Pickens riding a nuke.
I hope your right. Getting tired of playing Deebo.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Picked him up on waivers, so in flex he goes. I have Mahomes so any kind of click between these two would be golden come FF playoff time.
Boston
Footballguy
It just can't be this easy...it is not in the kid's DNA.
Down Under
Footballguy
skinsrule05
Footballguy
Wow, didn't expect that. Now he is an easy start decision.
How much is it really a fresh start when they were shopping him this off-season?
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Big bye week fill in.
Hoping he tells this Chargers 2ndary to "step off!"
Hoping he tells this Chargers 2ndary to "step off!"
RC94
Footballguy
IIRC, they started shopping him when he refused to show up for offseason activities.
When reports came out he was available in a trade I know I recall Ian Rappaport saying he's been available for "some time". And here a Giants beat writer states him not showing up for workouts was not the reason.
https://twitter.com/DDuggan21
@DDuggan21
Apr 26
The Kadarius Toney trade rumors didn't start just because he skipped the start of the voluntary program. There have been concerns within the organization since last year about his level of commitment
Whether you believe any of these reports or not I'm saying if a team is putting you on the trade block because you missed voluntary workouts after getting a knee procedure done then you never had a fresh start.
https://twitter.com/DDuggan21
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Chaka
Footballguy
At the risk of being Debbie Downer, this is absolutely just going to lead to like a 30-point Kelce week, isn't it?
Perhaps... but, I am forced in to starting Toney because I traded Higgins away this week for a package containing Waddle and already have Godwin on a bye. I'm kind of glad I won't be able to watch Sunday evening, but I'll definitely be recording the game just in case
Chaka
Footballguy
No, because that wouldn't be unexpected. The Universe has a more twisted sense of humor than that, so I'm thinking Skyy Moore or Justin Watson with the 30 point game.
