smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Looking good tonight. Seems he is heavily involved with the rushes and a few targets passing in the first half.
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WR Kadarius Toney, KC (1 Viewer)
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massraider
Footballguy
Another fake injury!!! This guy could be a Brazilian soccer player.
And if Toney can stay on the field and play like he's looked it won't be.
Let's see how the two picks pan out and let's see if Toney can stay healthy. The picks are TBD. Toney is setting a trend.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Not necessarily. Even if he pans out for KC, that doesn't mean he would have for NYG for a plethora of reasons.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Amazing the Giants even got a cup of coffee.
DJackson10
Footballguy
If Toney stays healthy and plays well the Giants don't win the deal at all. I think it was a poor choice to give up on him so soon but it seemed more or less like Daboll never cared for him so he had no chance. When healthy Toney is a game changer. Love the player hated NYG had drafted him but love the fact NYG gave up on him so fast and now he's in KC where he'll be used properly.
Then that's not on him.
Veach was saying he's about to be the most talented WR on the team, Mahomes said he's a special type of talent like on one he's ever played with his some of his movement abilty. He's been making an big impact. Then he hurt his ankle. Juju got hurt 4 plays before he he could cash in on a million dollar bonus. Injuries happen and yes Toney's injuries have been a major issue but the overreaction by the fantasy football crowd seems to have reached epic proportions. Guy hurts his ankle so he's trash. Got it.
Chaka
Footballguy
Did someone call him trash? That's silly.
Entirely and utterly unreliable? Absolutely! But trash? That's nonsense.
MTskibum
Footballguy
If you had to make a thousand dollar bet next year, would you take the over or under 7.5 complete games played in the regular season for Toney.
I'd do over but I don't spend a lot of time on the injury prediction business.
I think even if he stays healthy and plays well we need to see what those two picks turn into before we can say The Giants didn't,or did,win the deal. And some deals wind up helping both teams.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Based on his history with the Giants, they almost had to trade him. He hardly even made it through practices and there had to be some questions about his dedication.
With that said, it’s obvious he’s a talent when he does play. The guy is so electric. It’s hard for anyone to really claim to know what will happen. There’s examples of guys that had rough starts to their early careers with injuries that went on to play well and some that continued to miss games until they became afterthoughts.
I think it will end up working well for both teams.
joey
Footballguy
Not sure why there’s so much disagreement in here.
It’s classic risk tolerance/upside play. Some NFL teams (and fantasy managers) want to take the chance on a guy like Toney and trade FOR him, and other Teams/managers have seen enough of him missing loads of games each season and want to cash out for something new and will find a trading partner easily in the first first group.
Me? I’m simply holding in the 1 of 3 dynasty leagues where I roster him. but that’s in a full rebuild so he’s exactly the kind of upside play I need on that team.
It’s classic risk tolerance/upside play. Some NFL teams (and fantasy managers) want to take the chance on a guy like Toney and trade FOR him, and other Teams/managers have seen enough of him missing loads of games each season and want to cash out for something new and will find a trading partner easily in the first first group.
Me? I’m simply holding in the 1 of 3 dynasty leagues where I roster him. but that’s in a full rebuild so he’s exactly the kind of upside play I need on that team.
DJackson10
Footballguy
To be fair would you want to play for the Giants with Jones at QB?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't think a player should have no sense of loyalty to a team that drafted him in the first round (and paid him well) and I do not believe a professional should not act like a profession because he's facing some adversity such as having a less than ideal QB - so I do have to lay blame at his feet.
With that said, I have no idea whether Toney is always hurt or just dogging it, but neither option is really ideal. Players learn to deal with injuries and mature so it's not like he's a lost cause and his talent is certainly off the charts.
Zow
Footballguy
Toney is a first round talent that showed evidence supporting such talent in the limited time he played (as opposed to, say, a N'Keal Harry, Jalen Raegor, or Nelson Agholor who were first rounders and had injury issues but their on-field play never supported they were first round talents). As a Vikings fan, I'd have had zero issues if we traded a third rounder for Toney. While he's a huge risk, he's still on a favorable rookie contract and he has demonstrated significant upside that's gotta be worth a third rounder.
I believe if both teams knew what they knew today they both easily agree on still making that trade, so that's what I'd normally chalk up as win/win. The Chiefs seem thrilled, and the Giants obviously had reason(s) where they wanted to move on.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
The finesse this guy has lol...if the Chiefs win he could stretch an entire career of injury riddled seasons into the least amount of on-field time ever. Plenty of teams would bank on the potential only to get strung along by this guy's leg injuries. It's almost a work of art what Toney does.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Draw defenders away from Kelce whether he's targeted or not. Important strategy piece. Loving how this matchup is shaping
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Now the off-season begins, Toney should endeavor to spend time developing timing and chemistry with Mahomes. And learn all of Andy Reid's offensive playbook. He'll be helluva receiver for Chiefs.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
1 catch for 5 yds, uncovered for a TD, those are his totals on offense.
And 1 Punt Return for 65 yards at the biggest moment of the football game
I don't know that he is going to be a great WR but they traded for him and he didn't have a lot of stats to this point.
Unlikely hero
And 1 Punt Return for 65 yards at the biggest moment of the football game
I don't know that he is going to be a great WR but they traded for him and he didn't have a lot of stats to this point.
Unlikely hero
zamboni
Footballguy
I think people will overdraft him heading into next season, mainly on that punt return. He's clearly got some big time skills, just not sure it will translate to being a consistent producer at WR. A lot depends on if Juju returns and who else they bring in next year as competition for targets.
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I kept looking for him to make a big play. There was offsides on the Eagles on a play where he was getting the ball in the flat. Next play they faked that same thing and threw to Juju. Finally he made 2 great plays when it really mattered - the 4q of the Super Bowl. He’s only going to get more ingrained in the offense this off-season. His ability to avoid tackles is just silly.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
He'll be next year's Gabe Davis.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
So completely reasonable expectations and value assigned from everyone at FBG?
All that matters to me is if his health holds up and by that I mean healthy enough to both play and properly practice.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I am shocked that he decided to label his only Super Bowl appearance as the biggest game of his life.
zamboni
Footballguy
Captain
Boston
Footballguy
Was a tough choice between that game and the other two he has played in the NFL.
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Drake Hater
Footballguy
Yeah, hard to trust the guy with persistent durability issues. Can win a week for you if you hit right though.
Pretty sure his draft stock will soar this off-season and he'll get picked way too high in most leagues.
I think it's both and the Percy Harvin comps are spot on.
Now what you might be asking is he a full time player? I'm thinking most likely not, at least not yet. My guess is a team like the Chiefs with SB aspirations will treat him like a Ferrari and not the family vehicle during course of the long season. The good news is that when he's in the game he's used, got a touch just above once every 5 snaps. Considering he'll know the offense more this usage could/should get expanded but just using that as a baseline if he played 50% of the snaps he'd be right around 7 touches a game. That's pretty much my expectation with him when he's healthy enough to play. The downside is injuries which lead to less playing time, the upside is he's a healthy full time player and now we are talking WR1 kind of stuff.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
If you like Deebo Samuel in a walking boot 10 games a year, you'll love Kadarius Toney.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
yeah we'll see but I'm dubious
last year his ADP was 10.05 (WR46)
early Expert Consensus Rankings (4 services) has him at 10.07 (WR47) - and that's pre-FA signing + doesn't include rookies
I think he'll be a double digit round WR4/WR5 in most leagues
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it's not even just the durability or lack of consistent production, dude has very limited route tree & skill set
pretty hard to hype a guy who hasn't shown much in two years other than the occasional flash of pure athleticism
we saw zero examples of him being used in a traditional WR role, he was strictly a handful of gadget plays
who is going to waste a pick on a guy that hits double digits 3x a season? he saw more than 19 snaps twice in the regular season
