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WR Kenny Golladay, NYG (1 Viewer)

TJ Jones has played there, last year catching 30 of 49 targets for 399 yards and a touchdown.  

Brandon Powell is an undrafted rookie out of Florida who has been groomed specifically for slot work, so we might see him.

Also many NFL teams move their WRs and TEs around nowdays, so both Golladay and Marvin could work out of the slot occasionally.

But overall I don't see Powell or TJ taking many receptions in the new look offense. MIchael Roberts is more the TD hog, he was a vulture in college as well. He had 16 for Toledo in the MAC in 2016, on just 500 yards.

 
Truebluey said:
They were showcasing Tate to shop him around. Worked for them.
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I presume you forgot the emoticon but will come back to say "I was kidding! Obvious sarcasm!"

Another scenario I foresee is Kerryon takes over the Theo role (see Week 8 film) and Theo - former WR in college - takes over the Tate slot routes. TJJ always gets a few targets when they're a man down, but he's nothing special. Powell is semi-intriguing but the most likely scenario is Jace Billingsley Redux.

I don't really see Golladay's role or target share increasing remarkably with Tate gone. Golden's role is YAC and he hadn't down jack the last month.

 
I'm gonna be super pissed fi the Stafford idiot doesn't give Golladay 8+ targets. I may just fly up there and punch him in the forehead.

 
Huge potential here for Golladay.  If he’s going to become the guy this is how it happens.

Important to remember Tate didn’t take off as a fantasy WR 1 until the Lions got their number 1 receiver at the time, Calvin Johnson, off the field due to injury.

 
Otis said:
Killing me. 
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If you were relying on consistency before this week that was on you (as you know). Post trade things have obviously changed. If he disappoints now maybe he isn't who we hoped he was.

 
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Chaka said:
If you were relying on consistency before this week that was on you (as you know). Post trade things have obviously changed. If he disappoints now maybe he isn't who we hoped he was.
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He is definitely who I think he is, his talent has been undeniable to me. Opportunity hasn't been there with two vultures circling (Tate and Jones). Made him more opportunistic and variable in his production.

I will be surprised if the uptick in looks doesn't result in smoothing out that production, raising his floor, and having him perform more consistently in the highest WR2/low end WR1 tiers ROS.  

And hugely disappointed if that doesn't come to bear.

C'mon, Golladay. Time to go get paid.  

 
Futz said:
Here's my take. Lions rushed so effectively last week in Miami that his 2 targets were probably more or less just a casualty of game flow. Somewhat understandable.This week, it seemed the Lions truly game planned Marvin Jones into the mix more because of a particular match up. Throw in the fact that the Lions only had 3 total drives in the first half due to Seattle ball control and 3 drives in the second half ended in turnover or the half. They only had 9 drives in the game and 4 were in the 4th quarter.

However, 3 total targets to their best WR in two games is completely inexcusable. Oh and btw....he's caught all 3.  :rolleyes:  

I would imagine things change big time for Mr. Golladay this coming week.
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DocHolliday said:
Golladay is a good WR but part of the 3-headed receiving monster in Detroit.  He is going to be boom or bust just like the other WRs there.   
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Truebluey said:
They were showcasing Tate to shop him around. Worked for them.

Obviously a big uptick now for Golladay. Roberts and Riddick (and maybe Kerryon) will take some of Tate's targets, but I think Golladay and Jones will be firmly in the 5-10 targets/game range now.
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Thanks guys. 

 
Chaka said:
If you were relying on consistency before this week that was on you (as you know). Post trade things have obviously changed. If he disappoints now maybe he isn't who we hoped he was.
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Stafford is the one that isn't who people think he is. He sucks. Golladay will go up and get the pass. Stafford is too much of a coward to throw it unless you are wide open. That's why he's a massive failure.

 
lod001 said:
Stafford is the one that isn't who people think he is. He sucks. Golladay will go up and get the pass. Stafford is too much of a coward to throw it unless you are wide open. That's why he's a massive failure.
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If that's the case maybe Golladay should do a better job of getting wide open.

 
Chaka said:
If that's the case maybe Golladay should do a better job of getting wide open.
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It's the NFL, rarely are you wide open and especially down field where you pick up chunks of yards. Stafford is perfectly content to throw to the open guy and walk off the field 3 yards short of the 1st down.

 
lod001 said:
Stafford is the one that isn't who people think he is. He sucks. Golladay will go up and get the pass. Stafford is too much of a coward to throw it unless you are wide open. That's why he's a massive failure.
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lol this is a joke right?  He's arguably the most gunslinger force the ball QB's in the league.  

 
Anybody whose worried about Golladay’s consistency should keep in mind that two weeks ago he had a TD called back on an absolutely terrible holding call.  Very much a one off thing.

I see the past two weeks as one bad fantasy performance (last week due to low target share) and one off the wall instance of randomness.

So far the guy only needs 7 targets a game this season to be a lock as a high end WR 2/low end WR 1 start and it’s hard to see how he doesn’t get 7 targets a game moving forward after the Tate trade.  

Obviously his target share today is gonna be a pretty significant indicator but we’ll have to keep in mind Minnesota is a very bad matchup for WRs past 4 weeks.

 
Zyphros said:
lol this is a joke right?  He's arguably the most gunslinger force the ball QB's in the league.  
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He's also coming off the three best years of his career and is building on that with maybe his best season. He's averaging 7.9 y/a and completing 67% of his passes. 

 
Zyphros said:
lol this is a joke right?  He's arguably the most gunslinger force the ball QB's in the league.  
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Yeah, he was. Not is. Golladay has morphed into Calvin Johnson. Max of 1 target in the 1st half. He quit forcing it to Calvin. Then Stanton would come in on a Stafford injury and chuck it up and let Calvin make the play. He did force it to a hack last week but the hack was a defender. it was right to him. He blows as a QB. 

I owned Calvin his whole career and the last few years, most games he would see 1-2 targets before the half. Now its back to back weeks of nothing for their best WR. There's one common denominator left.

 
Lack of targets the last three weeks - and especially this week without Tate and in a game where the Lions were behind most of the way -- is very concerning.

I get that Stafford didn't have tons of time to throw -- the guy was getting pressured or sacked on every other dropback.

But Golladay was not really part of the game plan, it seemed.

Not encouraged by either trend or this first game as the supposed 1A without Tate.

 
lod001 said:
Gunslinger not. The bum took 10 sacks, all on him, because he's afraid to throw to anyone that is not wide open.
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You're not even pretending to be objective. It is impossible to take your Stafford comments seriously when this is the level of analysis you offer.

 
Chaka said:
You're not even pretending to be objective. It is impossible to take your Stafford comments seriously when this is the level of analysis you offer.
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He's just a horrible QB. There's nothing about him that is a positive. For a decade now this team cannot put up points and beat teams. Almost every game they are trailing in the 4th Q because he's inept. Everything has changed on the team except him and the results are the same. He simply stinks as an NFL QB.

Tell me anything he's good at?

 
Not the game I was hoping for but not giving up on Golladay ROS yet.  Gonna need some more sample size without Tate in the lineup.

Lions have a tough schedule ROS but not as tough as that game and they’ve recovered from dumpster fire mode once this season already after week 1.  So I want to see what that Italian looking version of Santa Claus they hired as a head coach changes going into next week.

 
Who is running with Kenny this weekend?

Three issues I'm battling with:

1) Given the Lions O line has been a turnstyle recently (last 3 weeks they've been the third highest sack-allowed team), and Mack may be back, this could be a rough passing day for Stafford if he constantly faces pocket pressure all day

2) Not sure who Amukamura covers, but he still has a lot of juice in his tank, and can really be a difference maker against a WR who may struggle in press coverage. Who will Prince cover, and if it's Golladay, how does he fare in against MvM versus zone? Is Kyle Fuller a guy we also need to worry about on D?

3) The continued trend of target rate drop for Golladay. Yes, I get he almost had a TD last game, but it doesn't change the fact that he is clearly being targeted way less after the bye (2.3 tg/gm in last 3 games vs 6.6 tg/gm in the 3 games prior to the bye and 8.2 tg/gm across all games before the bye). That simply isn't good, and I don't see obvious reasons why the drop happened, or why that would suddenly change now from current trend.

Thoughts?

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Who is running with Kenny this weekend?

Three issues I'm battling with:

1) Given the Lions O line has been a turnstyle recently (last 3 weeks they've been the third highest sack-allowed team), and Mack may be back, this could be a rough passing day for Stafford if he constantly faces pocket pressure all day

2) Not sure who Amukamura covers, but he still has a lot of juice in his tank, and can really be a difference maker against a WR who may struggle in press coverage. Who will Prince cover, and if it's Golladay, how does he fare in against MvM versus zone? Is Kyle Fuller a guy we also need to worry about on D?

3) The continued trend of target rate drop for Golladay. Yes, I get he almost had a TD last game, but it doesn't change the fact that he is clearly being targeted way less after the bye (2.3 tg/gm in last 3 games vs 6.6 tg/gm in the 3 games prior to the bye and 8.2 tg/gm across all games before the bye). That simply isn't good, and I don't see obvious reasons why the drop happened, or why that would suddenly change now from current trend.

Thoughts?
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I BELIEVE I'm starting A Jones instead

I'm worried though because they have to start feeding Gollady targets, right?

 
Starting with zero confidence in Stafford. He's my 3rd best WR available this week. Expecting 2-18. Anymore is a bonus.

 
I'm starting Golladay since Diggs is on a bye.    Next week, it will be Golladay vs Cooper for my third WR.   Hoping this week helps with that decision.   

 
DocHolliday said:
I'm starting Golladay since Diggs is on a bye.    Next week, it will be Golladay vs Cooper for my third WR.   Hoping this week helps with that decision.   
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I hate this as I actually think Cooper has a better opportunity this week against a generally soft PHI secondary, though I don't know how to compare PHI corners to the Bears' corners. 

That said, I don't trust Cooper at all, but it's not like I am going to risk putting Baldwin out there with his gimpy knees and ailing groin.

Don't know if I can trust any of these guys so it will come to risk mitigation. Have no idea how to think through this with this mediocre WE corps.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
I hate this as I actually think Cooper has a better opportunity this week against a generally soft PHI secondary, though I don't know how to compare PHI corners to the Bears' corners. 

That said, I don't trust Cooper at all, but it's not like I am going to risk putting Baldwin out there with his gimpy knees and ailing groin.

Don't know if I can trust any of these guys so it will come to risk mitigation. Have no idea how to think through this with this mediocre WE corps.
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Most of my decision next week is going to be based on targets this week. 

 
Chaka said:
Thinking of benching him for Tyler Lockett at WR2 and the Jets D at flex.
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You guys are really scaring me.   Maybe I should replace Golladay with Cohen at my flex spot.  What happened to this guy?   Just a month ago he was the next elite WR for the Lions.  

 
Chaka said:
Thinking of benching him for Tyler Lockett at WR2 and the Jets D at flex.
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My thinking is that you can completely correlate the Lion's offensive woes being tied to his lack of involvement. This guy is a difference maker and I do subscribe to the idea that the cream will always rise to the top if given the chance. I have some faith that the coaching staff will see the error in their (or Stafford's) ways and start force feeding him the ball. These target totals are absolutely ridiculous  (4, 9, BYE, 2, 1, 4) for a team that throws the ball as much as they do.

Even if he doesn't appear open, he's the type of guy who will win the ball for you either way. Give him the damn ball.

 
I traded Golladay in my dynasty league. I traded him and late R4 pick for Marlon Mack and a late R2 pick. He was my 4th or 5th WR most weeks. I just didn't trust that offense.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Who is running with Kenny this weekend?

Three issues I'm battling with:

1) Given the Lions O line has been a turnstyle recently (last 3 weeks they've been the third highest sack-allowed team), and Mack may be back, this could be a rough passing day for Stafford if he constantly faces pocket pressure all day

2) Not sure who Amukamura covers, but he still has a lot of juice in his tank, and can really be a difference maker against a WR who may struggle in press coverage. Who will Prince cover, and if it's Golladay, how does he fare in against MvM versus zone? Is Kyle Fuller a guy we also need to worry about on D?

3) The continued trend of target rate drop for Golladay. Yes, I get he almost had a TD last game, but it doesn't change the fact that he is clearly being targeted way less after the bye (2.3 tg/gm in last 3 games vs 6.6 tg/gm in the 3 games prior to the bye and 8.2 tg/gm across all games before the bye). That simply isn't good, and I don't see obvious reasons why the drop happened, or why that would suddenly change now from current trend.

Thoughts?
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Bears fan here... Golladay should be lining up mostly with Kyle Fuller.  Fuller has been good but he is beatable and is prone to a big play, he is also vastly out-sized by Golladay. However, Bears are getting fully healthy, Mack is back and the defensive line should be just as worrisome as the Vikings (and we saw how that went last week). Stafford needs a safe outlet like Riddick or Tate back because he might be running around again. The TJ Lang injury hurts too. 

Should be an interesting game. Detroit is also pretty good at getting after the QB, and the Bears guards are down to Kush and Daniels which is worrisome. Could be a lot of back and forth offensively (though not necessarily high scoring) and could give Golladay some opportunities.

 
Stafford is such garbage, you have to hope the Lions dig such a hole that the other team let's them score just to get the game over with faster.

 
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