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WR Kyle Philips, TEN (1 Viewer)
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The Titans haven't (noteworthy for FF) used the slot since Kendall Wright. Their new OC tried to last year but had to switch back to two TE because Tannehill was sacked a zillion times.
They've made him work his way up and he's done it beautifully. Next step isn't so much preseason as is the two team practices ahead.
(BTW a nice fifth round pick for sure)
I think he's a gem for dynasty and late late late pick for redraft.
Redraft- the usage (above) is highly questionable but his game has translated perfectly and Tannehill can't stop talking about he and Chig. (Chig is not a good inline blocker and has a tougher route to matter in redraft. )
People realize how fast a slot gets open right? The timing and rapport with Tannehill is awesome per every reporter.
I could see 3 and 4 catch games regularly and sneak in a few 7-8 catch later in the season. Nervous with this prediction but also who else will they throw to. The prob is Humphries and how he was the biggest free agent WR. The Titans finally spent $ and....still ran two TE and didn't use the slot much. So it's not a confident prediction but draft him very late and hope or cut him
massraider
Footballguy
Wake up people. Potential target hog
TapRackBang
Footballguy
SHHHHHH.......
This guy is gonna be a PPR monster. Please let it die.
This guy is gonna be a PPR monster. Please let it die.
wlwiles
Footballguy
Perfect fit with Burks and his hog hunting with a knife
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
The targets in Tennessee are going to be interesting. Everyone but Burks is getting buzz. Westbrook-Ikhine, Woods and Phillips. Even Hooper and Chigoziem.
Last year's targets (per pro football reference):
AJB- 105 in 13 games
Nick W-I- 57
Jones- 48
Chester Rogers, Firkser 43
Swaim 40
McNichols 38
Hillard 26
Henry 20
And 102 sprinkled in to 13 others for a total of 522 passing attempts, averaging 31.1/gm (per teamrankings)
Have to imagine Burks targets will rise as the season goes on, maybe up to 7/game toward the end of the year?
Typical passing distribution: 20% to the RBs, 22% to the TEs (my math looking at target #s
6 to the RBs
7 to the TEs
18 to the WRs.
Unless they change their offense, you're looking at a pretty meager pie to be splitting up between these WRs.
I don't grade OLines but I've been hearing not great things. Not sure how Tannehill will do if the running game is struggling due to OLine/ Henry being slight downgrades. But there's a case to be made that having a handful of better options will be better than having one great option and a handful of jags. And Woods is known for his blocking.
All of this is to say, I think he's probably more of a dynasty buy than a redraft guy but hey, you never know.
Last year's targets (per pro football reference):
AJB- 105 in 13 games
Nick W-I- 57
Jones- 48
Chester Rogers, Firkser 43
Swaim 40
McNichols 38
Hillard 26
Henry 20
And 102 sprinkled in to 13 others for a total of 522 passing attempts, averaging 31.1/gm (per teamrankings)
Have to imagine Burks targets will rise as the season goes on, maybe up to 7/game toward the end of the year?
Typical passing distribution: 20% to the RBs, 22% to the TEs (my math looking at target #s
6 to the RBs
7 to the TEs
18 to the WRs.
Unless they change their offense, you're looking at a pretty meager pie to be splitting up between these WRs.
I don't grade OLines but I've been hearing not great things. Not sure how Tannehill will do if the running game is struggling due to OLine/ Henry being slight downgrades. But there's a case to be made that having a handful of better options will be better than having one great option and a handful of jags. And Woods is known for his blocking.
All of this is to say, I think he's probably more of a dynasty buy than a redraft guy but hey, you never know.
massraider
Footballguy
9 targets first game
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Pretty insane. I like this kid but I thought it would be a slow acclimation into the offense. Super intrigued now. Dropped someone at end of dyno bench just prior to the game, now I need to hold to see what I have here.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Yep
But that drop on the punt return was just horrible
The Frankman
Footballguy
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
@PFF_NateJahnke
Wide receivers with the largest targets per route, minimum 20 routes
1. Kyle Philips 42.9%
2. Tyreek Hill 38.7%
3. Davante Adams 36.6%
4. Amon-Ra St. Brown 33.3%
5. Brandin Cooks 31.6%
Wide receivers with the largest targets per route, minimum 20 routes
1. Kyle Philips 42.9%
2. Tyreek Hill 38.7%
3. Davante Adams 36.6%
4. Amon-Ra St. Brown 33.3%
5. Brandin Cooks 31.6%
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@PFF_NateJahnke
Wide receivers with the largest targets per route, minimum 20 routes
1. Kyle Philips 42.9%
He wasn't targeted the first 4 drives, the last drive of he half was 3 incompletions intended for him. Second half, 6 targets 6 receptions, had one nice deep intermediate that went for 21. Honestly I had no impression of him other than that one play *(admittedly the game was background noise while we entertained.) Also muffed a punt that was recovered by the Giants on the 11 but they kept him in the game.
Fifth round pick on a running team doesn't seem like something to be excited about. Am I missing something?
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zamboni
Footballguy
He's probably a guy that will have a few good weeks, but I also wouldn't be chasing the stats when you have to assume they have every intent to get Burks more and more involved, along with the proven steady vet in Woods. And of course, the limited passing volume, as you said.@PFF_NateJahnke
Wide receivers with the largest targets per route, minimum 20 routes
1. Kyle Philips 42.9%
He wasn't targeted the first 4 drives, the last drive of he halve was 3 incompletions intended for him. Second half, 6 targets 6 receptions, had one nice deep intermediate that went for 21. Honestly I had no impression of him other than that one play *(admittedly the game was background noise while we entertained.) Also muffed a punt that was recovered by the Giants on the 11 but they kept him in the game.
Fifth round pick on a running team doesn't seem like something to be excited about. Am I missing something?
Van Dyman
Footballguy
He also had a 45-yard punt return. I thought the rookie played quite well. His consistency must improve (don't muff punts) but his routes and hands looked good, imo. For him to immediately, first pro game, look like a pretty good slot receiver...I think it really bodes well for his NFL future.@PFF_NateJahnke
Wide receivers with the largest targets per route, minimum 20 routes
1. Kyle Philips 42.9%
He wasn't targeted the first 4 drives, the last drive of he halve was 3 incompletions intended for him. Second half, 6 targets 6 receptions, had one nice deep intermediate that went for 21. Honestly I had no impression of him other than that one play *(admittedly the game was background noise while we entertained.) Also muffed a punt that was recovered by the Giants on the 11 but they kept him in the game.
Fifth round pick on a running team doesn't seem like something to be excited about. Am I missing something?
Having said that, he likely has much more value to the actual team than a fantasy team.
I'm not sure what was up with Woods but I suspect he wasn't getting separation. And Hooper (or his usage?) was a big disappointment. We'll see if the two vets can get into a groove with Tanny but, if not, yeah tons of extra targets for Philips all year long.
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massraider
Footballguy
He's free and he had 9 targets in his first NFL game. In terms of waiver wire pickups, that's exciting.
In dynasty, it'll make your bum tickle
He had a big punt return too.@PFF_NateJahnke
Wide receivers with the largest targets per route, minimum 20 routes
1. Kyle Philips 42.9%
He wasn't targeted the first 4 drives, the last drive of he half was 3 incompletions intended for him. Second half, 6 targets 6 receptions, had one nice deep intermediate that went for 21. Honestly I had no impression of him other than that one play *(admittedly the game was background noise while we entertained.) Also muffed a punt that was recovered by the Giants on the 11 but they kept him in the game.
Fifth round pick on a running team doesn't seem like something to be excited about. Am I missing something?
The Titans offense couldn't get Humphries involved when he was the highest paid free agent WR and a proven slot gem.
Phillips is so much like Welker, I mean as much as I hate comparisons this one is so close.
He doesn't belong on the outside. He's got slot written all over him. Last week, late in the game- when they needed a FG- they put him outside and relied on him. That's a gigantic statement. Still, though, they have to adjust and use him in the slot. I don't doubt his suddenness, shiftiness, and intelligence can get him a pass here n there outside but there's also the difference between prevent defense and regular defense and he's like 5-10 and thin and....Welker.
NPF was a rookie starting RT in his first game. Hooper helped a lot as the Giants attacked him. (The tackle did well) This left no one on Swaim, the blocking TE, so he got a few passes because why not. I don't expect Hooper to do anything different this weekend but soon. (The bills are too good rushing the passer.) Hooper and Phillips will both be over the middle receivers more or less, so how many targets are there for that?
The Titans established almost zero outside threat last week and made playing defense super simple for the Gmen. That can't happen either. Burks and Woods will get involved some.
I think Phillips is going to be a fine bye week cover for deep leagues and just leave it at that. The opportunity for a slot in a 2 TE offense is minimized
I will say Phillips is the best rookie route runner I've seen in a decade. He's elite and as good as it gets like Hopkins, Fitzgerald type holy cow.
He's got very little fancy athletic moves that will get this post flamed, but find the spot, cut on a dime, cut again on a dime- he's already a tactician. Best yet too is you watch n think "damn, wow" and then he nitpicks himself.
This is more the anti athletic wr. He's not 6-4 and doesn't run beautifully fast like a gazelle and have catcher mitts for hands. He's just a guy that learned the craft.
The million dollar question here is why on earth Belichick let him fall to the Titans. Amendola, Edelman, Welker, (maybe Branch) and honestly I'd be surprised if some personnel guys weren't fired in NE. Do you not know our type?
I expect oh c'mon no way and then watch and you'll think alright maybe he is.
He's got very little fancy athletic moves that will get this post flamed, but find the spot, cut on a dime, cut again on a dime- he's already a tactician. Best yet too is you watch n think "damn, wow" and then he nitpicks himself.
This is more the anti athletic wr. He's not 6-4 and doesn't run beautifully fast like a gazelle and have catcher mitts for hands. He's just a guy that learned the craft.
The million dollar question here is why on earth Belichick let him fall to the Titans. Amendola, Edelman, Welker, (maybe Branch) and honestly I'd be surprised if some personnel guys weren't fired in NE. Do you not know our type?
I expect oh c'mon no way and then watch and you'll think alright maybe he is.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Two games, two muffed punts.
Boston
Footballguy
Got injured and feels like he lost his mojo after that.
He won't say how much weight he gained but everyone has noticed and commented about it.
The Titans are shifting to a typical 3 WR offense. Last year was 2 TE and he kept getting injured.
He's the clear lead for the slot and looks every bit as great running routes as he did last year.
"Everyone" seems to think the Titans have an open slot position and are writing/tweeting how this guy or that guy will earn a spot there.
He has it and I don't think it's possible someone beats out Welker Jr unless he gets hurt.
The open spot is opposite Burks.
They do all move around but I don't think it'll be anywhere near often enough to worry about it for FF
The Titans are shifting to a typical 3 WR offense. Last year was 2 TE and he kept getting injured.
He's the clear lead for the slot and looks every bit as great running routes as he did last year.
"Everyone" seems to think the Titans have an open slot position and are writing/tweeting how this guy or that guy will earn a spot there.
He has it and I don't think it's possible someone beats out Welker Jr unless he gets hurt.
The open spot is opposite Burks.
They do all move around but I don't think it'll be anywhere near often enough to worry about it for FF
massraider
Footballguy
eighsse2
Footballguy
Thanks for this. Philips was one of the guys I had to cut going into the draft, but didn't want to. Now I picked him up and stashed him on IR, for now at least. Likely a cut again once he comes off IR. But worth a shot.
