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WR Marvin Harrison Jr., ARZ (1 Viewer)
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irish eyes
Footballguy
He ended up in an absolute wasteland. What a shame.
Max Power
Footballguy
Just saw that clip. Brutal might be an understatement. I'm getting concerned about MHjr now.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I really overpaid for Harrison two weeks ago. Smh. So much talent. Can't figure it out.
efactor
Footballguy
Had the terrible drop but that happens to all receivers. Bigger problems are:
-Short QB who has never passed for 4000 yards or more than 26 TDs and isn’t getting better.
-Lack of targets. 16 over 3 games. Same story as last year.
I actually hope the Cardinals get “fed up” and trade him. Would be the best thing for him to get away from Kyler.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
MHJ was my biggest miss last year...and yes Petzing is just an awful OC.
But I see a kid struggling with his confidence in a way that I could never imagine a true alpha WR1 struggling.
Birdie048
Footballguy
All true... and the root of the problem is FO/HC
efactor
Footballguy
Same
Only have one share and get some pretty bad offers for him. Have been trying to add some shares but unfortunately most seem to feel the same as we do and aren’t selling low.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Redraft buy low? Dynasty buy low?
What's his value that buying low would be a good idea? Is anyone gonna sell him for a simple 1st round pick in Dynasty?
-In redraft i would have a hard time getting excited about buying him for the season
jm192
Footballguy
Someone offered MHJ to me for Breece in this yahoo 10 team 5$ league.
I’ve got CMC, Kamara, Henderson, Judkins, Benson at RB.
AJ Brown, London, DJ Moore, Addison, Hunter at WR (start 2).
I pulled the trigger. I’m hopeful those other RB’s can perform very similar to Breece. And Breece’s ~55% snap share worries me more than “MHJ got open and dropped a touchdown.”
jm192
Footballguy
Both.
I just got him for Breece in a 10 team re-draft on Yahoo, and my RB depth is better than my WR depth.
Dynasty, I don’t know, but I’m about to go find out. Reading this thread, I think the price is a lot lower today than it was 3 weeks ago.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This is an excellent question and good POV looking into the center of this equation
Connor down, Benson up and will likely look better with each passing week, could open up the offense
But as you say, also could force Murray to throw the ball more and try to get some down field passing established, we are talking about Murray?
Murray has looked underwhelming so far/ He's my #2 in Superflex, lost Burrow
He's been mostly disappointing, I understood when he was coming off injury but that was quite a while ago. He should be back to what he was prior
Yeah, I'm not sure Murray was ever in that elite group. hes a capable starting QB in fantasy but nothing more. Likely ranked between #8 and #15 on most peoples QB draft lists.
Connor will be missed. he was a good pass blocker when he wasnt running the ball.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Connor is what you meant
jm192
Footballguy
Yes and no.
Conner is a quality running back with a great deal of experience. He does everything well and they trust him.
He’s 30. He’s been far less efficient this year.
Benson has been the more explosive back. I think he was going to start taking more and more touches away.
I think on the Marv end, if Benson is better with the ball in his hands, that sustains drives. This leads to more plays, yards, touchdowns.
Marv dropped an almost sure touchdown that was going to be 70 or 75 yarder. If that goes differently, he’s got 100+ yards and a TD week 3. And 75 yards with a TD week 1.
So far Arizona has beaten up on Carolina and New Orleans. They played a close game with SF who was missing their starting QB, star TE, and #2 WR. I think better game scripts and better statistical days are ahead for the offense.
for sure. I wasnt expecting a performance against San Fran. but its still somewhat disappointing
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Got me thinking about Murray's ability to support an alpha wr. Unless I'm mistaken I only see Hopkins, years ago who had a really good year. All the top wrs were really meh. Fitz. AJ Green. Etc. hmmmm
IMO this is because Murray is awful.... part of this was because Harrison was a rookie last year and adjusting. However, watching Murray play every week is like watching a "Smurf" run around in circles for his life every play. Occasionally, he will find an open WR because he is fast and athletic enough to make plays, but Murray should not be a QB at the NFL level. Honestly, I am surprised he still has a starting job.
If Harrison had a traditional pocket QB, who was over 6ft tall, and accurate he would easily be a top 10 WR in this league. I imagine it's very hard to get into a "rhythm" as a WR when Murray is your QB. It probably feels like you are playing "back yard football", and half the time your routes mean nothing
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I absolutely hate watching Murray play football.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
It's brutal. Tough to blame the drops on him ... BUT ... the WR is running his route and expects the ball on time. Especially a receiver like Harrison. It's like he always has to slow down and adjust to a wobbly under-thrown pass. Nothing is in sync. Murray just takes off every play and scrambles around. OK, yeah, you should catch it when it's right in your hands, but good passing games are built on precision. Murray isn't capable.
Yeah exactly what I mean by difficult getting into a rhythm. I am sure it "throws him off his game"
efactor
Footballguy
It’s like when they show those old Keystone Cops cartoons. Everyone running around at 5 times normal speed and going nowhere.
That's exactly how I describe watching it. Keystone cops.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Harrison isn't an alpha. That's problem #1. He is a big that has so far played small as a pro. He reminds me a lot of early career Courtland Sutton which means there is hope. Both tall 6'3" boundary WR. Better QB play is part of the problem. But most of the issues are on his side and fixable.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Harrison has zero hope with Murray as a QB. Any receiver has zero hope, he's terrible.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
They can cut him next year post 6/1 an save $2.7M on 2026 cap in the process.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
does this guy ever practice with Murray?
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
nice assist
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Man he is awful.
Tha Guru
Footballguy
It's either this or he doesn't like football. He just looks so disinterested.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Arizona needs to move on from Kyler and hope that fixes Marvin
mjb03003
Footballguy
Announcers are absolutely skewering him for his inability to get out of his own head and maximize his obvious physical talents.
I hope he has some big plays later this game to redeem himself.
Starting to have some Kyle Pitts vibes with this guy. Going to take some bravery to “buy low” and at the same time I’m not sure people who used a top 3 rookie pick (dynasty) will be willing to sell.
I hope he has some big plays later this game to redeem himself.
Starting to have some Kyle Pitts vibes with this guy. Going to take some bravery to “buy low” and at the same time I’m not sure people who used a top 3 rookie pick (dynasty) will be willing to sell.
They've got a projected $48MM in cap space next year and that's with Murray counting over $50MM on the cap. It's a huge dead money hit to cut Murray but no bigger than his actual salary cap hit keeping him and you guarantee him another $20ish MM in 2027 if they don't cut him. They've got the space to eat it either cutting or trading him and start over with someone else hopefully. Plus gotta fire that OC
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
If he was named Mike Harrison he would have been a second rounder
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Come on. He was amazing in college. Something changed between then and now.
