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WR Mecole Hardman, BUF (1 Viewer)

Finatic said:
Johnny,

I thought the same thing, then I saw the speed on that shovel pass last night. This kid has a future in this league somewhere...........
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There has been lots of players with speed that are mediocre football players.  We will see......  I'm not saying he won't be good, just....we will see.

 
JohnnyU said:
There has been lots of players with speed that are mediocre football players.  We will see......  I'm not saying he won't be good, just....we will see.
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The guy has had a very good camp and showed legit elite speed in his first game action and you come in to say the Chiefs over drafted the guy in round 2 when the Tyreek stuff was very active? Don’t get it Johnny. Another weapon for Mahomes is a very scary thought 

 
JetMaxx said:
The guy has had a very good camp and showed legit elite speed in his first game action and you come in to say the Chiefs over drafted the guy in round 2 when the Tyreek stuff was very active? Don’t get it Johnny. Another weapon for Mahomes is a very scary thought 
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I'm just saying don't judge too early.  I've seen plenty of preseason sweethearts out of the league shortly thereafter.  But I agree, having Mahomes as your QB is pretty sweet.

 
JohnnyU said:
It sounds like you're right at the top of the list of people thinking like the Chiefs on draft day.  
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TBH...correct. In their position I would rather invest on the offensive side of the ball and let teams try to play catch-up. Obviously they enough about Hardman that they felt the need to make a move for him. I trust them at this point as they seem pretty good at finding offensive skill. 

 
Any new thoughts on this guy going into the season? Watching him in preseason action I think they HAVE to find a role for this guy in the offense this year

 
I have him and Watkins.  Not really sure how I want this to work out but splitting reps sounds like a worst case...

 
"In Week 1, Hardman played 53 of a possible 59 snaps after Hill exited, and ran a route on 79% of Patrick Mahomes' dropbacks. That's incredible usage, especially considering the offense didn't appear to miss a beat without Hill. After torching the Jaguars for 491 total yards in Jacksonville, they look primed to be just as explosive in 2019 as they were in 2018."

-Ben Gretch

Granted he was blanked on the stat sheet.  Had only 1 target.    

 
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The Finist said:
"In Week 1, Hardman played 53 of a possible 59 snaps after Hill exited, and ran a route on 79% of Patrick Mahomes' dropbacks. That's incredible usage, especially considering the offense didn't appear to miss a beat without Hill. After torching the Jaguars for 491 total yards in Jacksonville, they look primed to be just as explosive in 2019 as they were in 2018."

-Ben Gretch

Granted he was blanked on the stat sheet.  Had only 1 target.    
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So yea.....is he ready for primetime?  Why didn't he get looks from Mahomes?  

 
tjnc09 said:
Jalen Ramsey is okay.

I think people who used their WW on a WR other than Hardman are going to regret it.
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Unless that player is AJ Brown ❤️. Because he's going to beast all year long, where Hardman might beast the next 4-7 weeks (although maybe longer if Watkins goes down) 

 
No one should be starting the guy next week. But picking him up to stash him on your bench in case he shows up and shows out? Hell yea. Little risk to that but a very high reward. 

 
I own Hill, so Hardman seemed to be a good target. He will certainly get the snaps, but hard to bottom out how targets might shift thanks to a different opponent/game script

What I am trying to weigh is whether:

  1. we will expect him to see more targets as the defacto WR2/Hill replacement, or will offense still primarily run through Kelce/Watkins/run game? Insight into the WR2 target share in this offense last year would be helpful (haven't been able to dive here yet)
  2. whether taking a shorter term share in Hardman to fill in for Hill is preferrable to a more longer term investment in a guy like Metcalf, who had higher pedigree/hype coming out of college and through preseason, but is on a less pass-heavy offense
  3. (even more personal to me) is the distribution of investment in any one given offense. As I own Carson and Mixon, is taking on a guy like Ross or Metcalf create more risk in being too Seahawks/Bengals heavy in favor of plugging a hole in my investment in KC with Hill.
 
The Athletic's Nate Taylor is under the impression from Chiefs coach Andy Reid that Mecole Hardman and De'Anthony Thomas will vill the void left by Tyreek Hill (collarbone).

Reid said, "Thomas has done it before and Mecole has kind of been in that position. We feel good working both of them." Both receivers offer a ton of speed and big-play potential, but the Chiefs will also be asking more from Sammy Watkins and Travis Kelce, too. Hardman was inconsistent at Georgia on deep balls, though he didn't have Patrick Mahomes throwing them either. Hardman is a high-ceiling, zero-floor WR4 in Oakland.

 
az_prof said:
Based on team depth chart it looks like Robinson slots into Tyreek's spot. Not sure if this is how it will play out or not but if Hardman is going to fill in for Tyreek why is he backing up Watkins?

https://www.chiefs.com/team/depth-chart
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"In Week 1, Hardman played 53 of a possible 59 snaps after Hill exited"  

How much PT did Robinson get?  Not being a smart ###.  I just dont know.  And who was playing Tyreek's position after he went down?  

 
My guess Sammy Watkins is going to see more double coverage this week.  Sammy looked great.  If the other team then slant zones towards Kelce, that leaves Hardman running across those zones, in single coverage, with crazy speed.  He is running to an area.  If he is even, he is leavin.

I think this should be a good game for Hardman.  3-5 rec - 100-125 yards  1 td. 

 
Hairy Snowman said:
My guess Sammy Watkins is going to see more double coverage this week.  Sammy looked great.  If the other team then slant zones towards Kelce, that leaves Hardman running across those zones, in single coverage, with crazy speed.  He is running to an area.  If he is even, he is leavin.

I think this should be a good game for Hardman.  3-5 rec - 100-125 yards  1 td. 
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We get a bonus for long distance scores in my main league.  I so want to put Hardman in my lineup this week over DJax or Tyler Boyd....

 
The Finist said:
"In Week 1, Hardman played 53 of a possible 59 snaps after Hill exited"  

How much PT did Robinson get?  Not being a smart ###.  I just dont know.  And who was playing Tyreek's position after he went down?  
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Thanks. Appreciate the engagement as I want to figure this out too.

Based on Football Outsiders, Hardman was in on 78% of offensive snaps and Robinson was in on 63%.

In those opportunities Hardman had 0 targets despite more snaps and Robinson had 2 targets, catching 1 for 0 yards.  Neither exactly ran away with the job.

Not sure what to make of all this. Seems messy and best to wait and observe this week. 

 
Hairy Snowman said:
My guess Sammy Watkins is going to see more double coverage this week.  Sammy looked great.  If the other team then slant zones towards Kelce, that leaves Hardman running across those zones, in single coverage, with crazy speed.  He is running to an area.  If he is even, he is leavin.

I think this should be a good game for Hardman.  3-5 rec - 100-125 yards  1 td. 
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You could be right, but I'd be terrified as a defensive coordinator if I'm doubling Sammy and leaving Kelce and their other speedy WR's against single coverage with Mahomes slinging the ball. 

Hardman is a top 25 WR for me this week so I'd be starting him unless I was stacked at WR. 

 
Nucker101 said:
You could be right, but I'd be terrified as a defensive coordinator if I'm doubling Sammy and leaving Kelce and their other speedy WR's against single coverage with Mahomes slinging the ball. 

Hardman is a top 25 WR for me this week so I'd be starting him unless I was stacked at WR. 
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You can't double everybody and Watkins was the clear threat based on last weeks film.  In the end, I think this is a blowout.  Oakland doesn't have the horses.  And I am guessing this is a game where we see Kelce score multiple TDs with Oakland losing their safety. 

Mahomes said last week he has to pay back Kelce.  I think he makes good this week.  But there is plenty of pie to go around.  I think Hardman is in the 3rd tier of WRs this week.  But a long score seems very possible with eyes on Kelce and Watkins being doubled.   

 
az_prof said:
Not sure what to make of all this. Seems messy and best to wait and observe this week. 
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This is where I am with it. The risk is that you miss out on what could turn out to be a dynamic player in a great opportunity, but there is too much unknown around what exact role he'll slot into, how Robinson factors into it, how gamescript might play in  -- it's a solid matchup for both the run and the pass game, so can see KC pulling ahead and leaning more on ball control.

FOMO is strong here with me, and maybe I am being too risk averse, but would rather see how this plays out as I am not as confident as others are that Hardman is going to produce more than other flex options.

 
I think, and @Stompin' Tom Connorscan back me up or contradict me, but Raiders' starting safety Abram is out for the year because of an injury suffered this past Monday night. I paged Stompin' Tom because I thought their other safety was out or had left as an FA or something. Any Raider homer news would be welcome on that front. 

 
rockaction said:
I think, and @Stompin' Tom Connorscan back me up or contradict me, but Raiders' starting safety Abram is out for the year because of an injury suffered this past Monday night. I paged Stompin' Tom because I thought their other safety was out or had left as an FA or something. Any Raider homer news would be welcome on that front. 
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Yes Abram is out for the year.  No, the Raiders still have their "other" safety Karl Joseph along with LaMarcus Joyner who they signed in the offseason.  Joyner has mainly been used in coverage (slot) but no idea if that will change with the injury to Abram.  In addition their CB Gareon Conley suffered an injury in which he was carted off.  The injury looked to be serious (neck/spine), but the cart was a precaution and he turned out to be fine.  His playing status for this weeks game is in doubt.

 
rockaction said:
I think, and @Stompin' Tom Connorscan back me up or contradict me, but Raiders' starting safety Abram is out for the year because of an injury suffered this past Monday night. I paged Stompin' Tom because I thought their other safety was out or had left as an FA or something. Any Raider homer news would be welcome on that front. 
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Apologies, GB, my pager has been dead since 1994. Please use my telefax, that's usually pretty reliable.

@elshagon has most of that take right, but Conley looks like he is returning this weekend. 

Joyner is very solid as a box safety, Joseph is more miss than or hit as a FS, but can step up and hit hard. Our backup SS/FS (Harris/Riley/Leavitt) aren't anything dependable. We signed Justin Burris who was with the Jets practice squad and briefly with the Browns PS to shore up Abram's spot - strange signing as I don't see what he brings to the table skill-wise.

Conley might be our best CB, and that's not saying much -- he's oft injured, and started his career as a liability in both coverage and tackling, but improved greatly in the last half of the year and looked like a shut down corner at times against some of the better WRs (specifically Hill and AB last year). But he can be solid. 

The other CBs, Worley, Mullen, and Nixon are meh.

Our front seven is improved, but have yet to show they can dominate. Ferrell has been solid, and Mayowa, our second string end came out of nowhere with a great game against the Broncos, but I don't think we've proven we can be a pass-rush force.

I do think Whitehead and Burfict looked sound against the run, but so I expect KC to target the Raiders in the air.

With all of this -- still not sure who the beneficiary is. I suspect Hardman will have a good game, and the team seems to like him and the guy looks talented. That said not sure how the targets will play out and benefit him or Robinson. 

If I had Hardman, might flex him out as a good bet as a sleeper. 

 
Weather will not be a factor today in my opinion. Forecast has moved the storms until about 2:00-3:00, but a quick look at the Wundermap tells me it's going to all move out and we won't get anything else.

I think we'll be good on weather.

 
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